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[–]NarniaFox [score hidden] 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

As I've translated a post from a Russian incel leader, I'll post it here as well just for entertainment purposes. I've already posted some of this.

Some people think that love stands higher than sex. It isn't true, people just don't understand what sex is.

An incel is deprived of sex, but can be not deprived of love, but love doesn't give or mean anything. Love is just a feeling, emotions, you can love your home, motherland or a cat, there's no difference. You won't get sexual energy neither from a cat or your motherland. Sex isn't just about putting your penis inside, it's magical godly energy.

Sexual energy is magic. The highest magic which disappears by touching the lowest motives (like buying sex for money). That's why you can't buy sex for money, men don't get any energy from prostitutes. It's the opposite, they lose their energy. Only of a girl gives your sex for free and with awe and considers the man her Master, only then she'll give him energy.

If you get this energy in the right way, you'll get superpowers and immortality. No love can give this. For example, if a granny older than 30 falls in love with you, she won't be able to give you any energy as she doesn't have it anymore, but has love. But if we had tantric sex with a godly girl of 14 y.o. just by magic we'd become almighty and had superpower.

Governments of all countries know it. It's dangerous for them. That's why love is allowed and everyone talks about it. But supersex is prohibited till 16-18 under penalty of prison or even death sentence. For sex with a godlike 14 y.o. girl people can tear you to pieces, castrate, execute. For what? Why? Because THEY, secretly ruling the world, know what superpowers it gives and they're afraid of people getting these powers. That's why it's prohibited under the penalty of prison or death. We could live forever! Fly. Travel in time. Teleport. Read minds. Etc. But we're deprived of it.

We're condemned for slow and painful death and meaningless existing in pain and loneliness forever. Please, appreciate that I translated this opus of total shit and insanity. Just for you. So you could read it as well.

Source.

Originally it was posted in the first and main Russian incel group, but it seems it's got banned recently. People liked it, commented it, posted similar stuff. I guess they've moved here. I'll give you some posts, so you wouldn't think that I've just chosen the worst one. Look how he describes a 13 y.o. and some shit about immortality again. But this group seems to be less active than the first one.

And if you're curious who the hell wrote this shit, here he is. He has been invited to several TV shows, taken a few interviews...If at first I thought that he was trolling everyone, after seeing him acting like this in real life, I've started to think that he really believes in it and he just needs help.

Edit: Some more insanity.

That's how he describes a 13 y.o. girl:

Especially pay attention to what forms she already has at the age of 13: huge boobs, hips, obviously the girl is ripe. But sex is prohibited in the US, it is prohibited in Russia and all over the world.

And another post about immortality:

People, too, could easily live for 500 years, people used to lived for 900 years. The secret of longevity, practically eternal life and eternal youth is sex. You need to have sex from the moment of puberty without restrictions. But this is hampered by vaginocapitalism, women. This is how women robbed us of eternal life.

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Say what you want about feminists "hating men" but at least we don't go around literally murdering people.

They certainly tried.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette#WSPU\_campaigns

The campaign was then escalated, with the suffragettes chaining themselves to railings, setting fire to post box contents, smashing windows and eventually detonating bombs, as part of a wider bombing campaign.[34] ... In 1914, at least seven churches were bombed or set on fire across the United Kingdom, including Westminster Abbey, where an explosion aimed at destroying the 700-year-old Coronation Chair, only caused minor damage.[36] Places that wealthy people, typically men, frequented were also burnt and destroyed whilst left unattended so that there was little risk to life, including cricket pavilions, horse-racing pavilions, churches, castles and the second homes of the wealthy. They also burnt the slogan "Votes for Women" into the grass of golf couses.[37] Pinfold Manor in Surrey, which was being built for the Chancellor of the Exchequer, David Lloyd George, was targeted with two bombs on 19 February 1913, only one of which exploded, causing significant damage; in her memoirs, Sylvia Pankhurst said that Emily Davison had carried out the attack.[37] There were 250 arson or destruction attacks in a six-month period in 1913[37]

I like how they try to justify it, because bombs in public places clearly 'so that there was little risk to life'... Gotta love that spin.

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Wow, their original community got banned! There are screenshots from there though, but you'll have to believe my translation.

Some people think that love stands higher than sex. It isn't true, people just don't understand what sex is.

An incel is deprived of sex, but can be not deprived of love, but love doesn't give or mean anything. Love is just a feeling, emotions, you can love your home, motherland or a cat, there's no difference. You won't get sexual energy neither from a cat or your motherland. Sex isn't just about putting your penis inside, it's magical godly energy.

Sexual energy is magic. The highest magic which disappears by touching the lowest motives (like buying sex for money). That's why you can't buy sex for money, men don't get any energy from prostitutes. It's the opposite, they lose their energy. Only of a girl gives your sex for free and with awe and considers the man her Master, only then she'll give him energy.

If you get this energy in the right way, you'll get superpowers and immortality. No love can give this. For example, if a granny older than 30 falls in love with you, she won't be able to give you any energy as she doesn't have it anymore, but has love. But if we had tantric sex with a godly girl of 14 y.o. just by magic we'd become almighty and had superpower.

Governments of all countries know it. It's dangerous for them. That's why love is allowed and everyone talks about it. But supersex is prohibited till 16-18 under penalty of prison or even death sentence. For sex with a godlike 14 y.o. girl people can tear you to pieces, castrate, execute. For what? Why? Because THEY, secretly ruling the world, know what superpowers it gives and they're afraid of people getting these powers. That's why it's prohibited under the penalty of prison or death.

We could live forever! Fly. Travel in time. Teleport. Read minds. Etc. But we're deprived of it. We're condemned for slow and painful death and meaningless existing in pain and loneliness forever.

Please, appreciate that I translated this opus of total shit and insanity. Just for you. So you could read it as well. Originally it was posted in the first and main Russian incel group. People liked it, commented it, posted similar stuff. I guess they've moved here.

I'll give you some posts, so you wouldn't think that I've just chosen the worst one. Look how he describes a 13 y.o. and some shit about immortality again. But this group seems to be less active than the first one.

And if you're curious who the hell wrote this shit, here he is. He has been invited to several TV shows, taken a few interviews...If at first I thought that he was trolling everyone, after seeing him acting like this in real life, I've started to think that he really believes in it and he just needs help.

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That's why it's important to consider whether they have a future together.

If they're in a relationship, I think they've considered it already. This instance of him being uncomfortable with her going to this specific location during this allotted time period doesn't automatically warrant a reevaluation of their relationship status.

Let's say for example they haven't talked about the future at all and for all she knows he doesn't see them together after graduation. Imo that could be a very important consideration in whether or not the costs of giving up this trip, including actual money spent, outweigh the benefits or vice versa.

Sounds more like you're already looking for an exit strategy than actually evaluating the relationship. "We might break up eventually anyway so let me just hit him with a self-fulfilling prophecy right now. Yeah, that's a great idea. He can't leave me if I've already started leaving him first -taps forehead-"

Just no. People who think like this have no business being in a relationship.

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If they're in a relationship, I think they've considered it already.

OP says her BF is interested in marriage so in this case, they have. With seniors in college though people are all over the place on whether or not they'll keep seeing each other after graduation.

This instance of him being uncomfortable with her going to this specific location during this allotted time period doesn't automatically warrant a reevaluation of their relationship status.

That's entirely up to individuals in the relationship to decide. You are allowed to place any boundaries you want, the other party is free to decide if they want to carry on a relationship with those boundaries in place.

Sounds more like you're already looking for an exit strategy than actually evaluating the relationship.

The good thing about direct and honest communication is that an exit "strategy" won't be necessary. A tough and potentially scary conversation, yes. But by doing so hopefully both people will get what they need to move forward.

Just no. People who think like this have no business being in a relationship.

Different people have different wants and needs in relationships, the key is finding the person whose outlook and values are most compatible with our own.

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OP says her BF is interested in marriage so in this case, they have. With seniors in college though people are all over the place on whether or not they'll keep seeing each other after graduation.

Might be the case if they met in college. If they met before college, then I don't see why graduating would be cause for a break up.

That's entirely up to individuals in the relationship to decide. You are allowed to place any boundaries you want, the other party is free to decide if they want to carry on a relationship with those boundaries in place.

Yes, and it sounds like she's decided to consider his feelings on this one.

The good thing about direct and honest communication is that an exit "strategy" won't be necessary. A tough and potentially scary conversation, yes. But by doing so hopefully both people will get what they need to move forward.

They can have open communication but it makes no difference if one person is just going to do whatever they want anyway regardless of their partner's concerns.

Different people have different wants and needs in relationships, the key is finding the person whose outlook and values are most compatible with our own.

Right, though if they've been together for awhile, this type of situation wouldn't likely be an immediate test of their relationship. If she cares about and wants to be with him, she'll see his perspective. If not, then she'll go on the trip and I'd wonder how they've lasted for so long with that type of behavior.

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Lets see.

Being sexist

Debatable. Some of my opinions could come off that way even if i don't believe i am sexist.

• Objectifying women

Depends on the woman ;)

• Having a fragile male ego

Oh my ego is fragile af in real life. If someone insults me irl i get in my feels real quick. If someone compliments me I'm happy for days. Online? Nah.

• Flirting or pursuing other women while they are in a relationship

Na this is fucked up.

• Looking down on women who don't conform to society's beauty standards

Aka not liking "obeasts?" Guilty as fucking charged

• Looking unattractive

No issues there

• Being poor

Nor here although my income is $0

• Being extremely frugal despite not being poor

Aka being prudent? This is a green flag not a red one

• Likes to gossip

Not my thing

• Is mean to others

If they deserve it

• Is bad-tempered

2nd percentage agreeableness squad

• Gets jealous easily

In a relationship yes, out of one nah.

• Lack of empathy for others

I actually have a good empathetic response

• Lies a lot

Nope. I have many flaws but dishonesty is not one

• Uses other people for their own benefit

No need to

• Being extremely lazy

Nope

• Having a video game addiction

Nah i don't game

• Likes to rant a lot

Oh baby. Rant 👑 here

• Having bad breath

Lol wtf? What % of men have bad breath

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I've been reflecting more about my beliefs since my entrance to the corporate world.

I think the solution to the b**** pill for inkwells is (drumroll)....

Wealth and money and with it, freedom and power. Yes if you are ugly/short/bald you cannot buy genuine attraction. Accept it. But at the end of the day, you can accept that, get dozens of hookers, get a surrogate if you want kids, and kind of just enjoy life as much as you can from a weird, humorist, existentialist, and nihilistic perspective. And you can try to get surgeries as well to fix your issues. It's still pretty easy to make genuine friends with others who are in the same situation as yourself. There's also a lot of genuinely cool stuff in life to do outside of relationships that are good c*pes such as: nature, space exploration, single player video games, and exercising.

I am moving on from red/bl*ck pill to a tri color pill between red, bl*ck, and gold. Because while I think red and bl*ck have truth to both of them, they are slightly too nihilistic about life outside of relationships. And unlike genuine attraction, money is something that can be achieved almost no matter your appearance and stature. This is the ultimate solution.

So what do I recommend? If you are a young (<25) male who has no prospects of finding genuine love, attraction. Stop browsing .is and get to browsing leetcode, coursera, and hackerrank. Why? Computer science is the single most merit based industry in the world right now and its applications are essentially limitless in the foreseeable future. Furthermore, you will soon be able to work high paying jobs remotely. It isn't very difficult.

This probably only works if you already have a decent IQ and foundational education.

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The government has an interest in population control, since people aren't in control of themselves. There are many valid reasons to be skeptical in this situation. The CDC has literally been altering definitions and information related to the vaccine, and they're literally trying to bribe people with cheap handouts like free uber rides and donuts just to get it. If the virus was as "deadly" as it's portrayed in the media, and the vaccines are as "safe" and "necessary" as the media and various authority figures are pushing, then it wouldn't be a question for anyone on whether to get it, and everything that they've done would be unnecessary. The fact that they're pushing this so hard for a virus that the vast majority of people get over naturally is calling criticism to itself with giant flashing arrows.

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If this was the case of only the US having this virus then I could see your point, but as its the entire planet all trying to get everyone vaccinated I think it lifts this out of the "something fishy is going on" and into the "well this looks like a big problem"

No, it doesn't lol. The interest in population control exists on a global scale for all major civilizations on the planet, not just the US. Why does the UN exist if all countries are individual nations? To only focus on one single location is rather narrow-minded. If you didn't know, there's a covert push toward globalism going on right now, which is part of the actual "big problem." This "bat soup" flu is not the thing to be focusing on here.

I'm not aware of any other country offering the same weird incentives like in the US.

Neither am I, except for the whole totalitarian "get the vax or you can't travel and maybe not even shop in the local stores or restaurants anymore, and you might lose your job, too" - thing.

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Except the world runs on a capitalistic system that relies on growth and so shrinking the population would cause it to fall apart.

No, it wouldn't lol. There are limits, of course, that people can stay in comfortably and have what they need. When things get too comfortable is when people start reproducing like crazy and then things become uncomfortable after a certain point which calls for a solution that would end in the natural way with people dying from starvation and illness until balance was found again. However, to avoid a mass fallout like that, big gubment uses artificial wars, toxins in our food, and controlled release of disease to shear the numbers down. They have to make it look natural or else some of these authorities could be accused of crimes against humanity.

The UN exists to try and get countries to work together instead of fighting over shit.

Right. For what purpose? The NWO has long been a conspiracy theory that's starting to look more like a reality.

Globalism is a push because getting the countries of the planet to work together is better for it than to have us all fighting with each other.

Right, that's the logic being used to get people to agree to a one world government, but I don't see it as a necessary thing, personally. Fighting is going to happen regardless, whether it's people vs people, or people vs their "rulers." Nothing's going to change that unless people become the mindless drones that they slowly seem to be turning into.

Not happening here in the UK those who haven't got it are not being excluded from anything.

Just give it some time before the mandates start rolling out over there, too.

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think that the people who are hesitant to trust governments on this aren't without basis

Something important to cover here is that most people's beliefs, from their own perspective, typically have a basis. People who believe that scented oils can prevent cancer have a basis for their belief and can even make arguments for it. Like I could say I believe cinnamon essential oils cure cancer because I know someone who sniffed them daily and their cancer disappeared.

Vaccine skepticism is unwarranted given what is known about immunology and the efficacy of vaccination gives are good arguments in favor of being optimist that they are relatively safe. I also do not really see how The Tuskagee syphilis study is comparable to the vaccination or what the government gains from rolling out a vaccine that kills or hurts literally millions of people and it would not be in the interest of the businesses that produce or develop them to do it either. Even in the most greedy outlook that these businesses are just out to make profit, it still does not make sense.

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They aren't trying to do population control, it's not some grand conspiracy. It's banal ignorance and corruption.

The media just cares about ratings, it's been losing TONS of viewership (and hence advertising revenue) since the internet/social media became popular. To compensate they upped the sensationalist rhetoric. Everything's a crisis, all the time, 24/7.

Since people respond to this sensationalist nonsense the politicians quickly learned to jump on board and ride the wave. Claiming to help/fix the sensationalist problems claimed by the media gives credence to both sides.

Course neither side (media/journalists or politicians) wants to be shown up, so they constantly disparage the internet and anyone who might espouse critical thinking. Can't have people thinking for themselves, need them plugged in 24/7 to the news.

We've created 1984, and it doesn't need some moustache twirling maniacal tyrant at the top. They aren't trying to 'reset the economy' or 'bring about a new age' or 'depopulate the planet'. They simply are greedy, corrupt, immoral, and are willing to look the other way when it benefits them (as 99% of the population would do).

If you actually start looking into the real facts and numbers for yourself, you'll see that its all smoke and mirrors.

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Then what do you think they are trying to do and why not get the vaccine?

I said repeatedly... already!?? WTF, why is reading comprehension so poor?

The media just cares about ratings

Since people respond to this sensationalist nonsense the politicians quickly learned to jump on board and ride the wave.

They simply are greedy, corrupt, immoral, and are willing to look the other way when it benefits them

I mean seriously, I spelled it out for you.

It's not some grand conspiracy, it's just greedy CEOs trying to raise their stock price, corrupt politicians riding the sensationalized waved of public sentiment to get another term, and the media trying ever so desperately to stay relevant.

I don't need to look at the figures to see this virus is dangerous I just need to see fit people dying form it or suffering serious problems with it to know that its something that needs sorting

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

That's the latest death count from New York (since I don't know where you're from, I just picked a populous place in the states). Notice how may died with and without complicating conditions.

Clearly not as many 'fit' people are dying as you were lead to believe by the MSM. I don't recall them ever stating that of all the COVID deaths only 0.7% were people without pre-existing conditions.

And that is why you need to look at the numbers. Because you're not being told the whole truth... They are lying by omission.

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That data is a year old.

Yes, and getting up to date statistics on death rates takes about a year. Everything prior to that is just conjecture (even by the media).

So are you saying the vaccine is a placebo of sorts just so these companies can profit from it?

No, I'm saying the media is lying by omission and painting an incorrect picture to suit a sensationalist narrative.

If say only 1% of deaths are "fit" people, is that not enough to try and stop this?

At what cost? The lockdowns cost millions of lives, the economy has been destroyed (which in turn will cost more lives), alcoholism and drug use have spiked, and we've seen a massive erosion of our rights and liberties.

Did you know that Vitamin D was shown to be crucial in preventing serious outcomes of COVID (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2mLz-Xdpg). Except it has to be taken 2-4 weeks prior to contracting the virus. So it's good thing the media mentioned that right? I mean clearly the media's intention is to save lives (that was sarcasm), the vaccine isn't 100% effective and not everyone has it, while VitD is available to any over the counter. Why isn't it being pushed 24/7??

You're getting a skewed picture because you're naively assuming the media has your best interests in mind... it does not.

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Yes, and getting up to date statistics on death rates takes about a year. Everything prior to that is just conjecture

How does it take a year?

No, I'm saying the media is lying by omission and painting an incorrect picture to suit a sensationalist narrative.

Right what is your stance on the vaccine and will you get it?

Did you know that Vitamin D was shown to be crucial in preventing serious outcomes of COVID (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2mLz-Xdpg). Except it has to be taken 2-4 weeks prior to contracting the virus. So it's good thing the media mentioned that right? I mean clearly the media's intention is to save lives (that was sarcasm), the vaccine isn't 100% effective and not everyone has it, while VitD is available to any over the counter. Why isn't it being pushed 24/7??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56180921

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jan/10/does-vitamin-d-combat-covid

It is mentioned here in the media and the government have come around to using it as part of the plan of attack on covid. Though I understand the reluctance to push it as the studies that were available were not the best.

You're getting a skewed picture because you're naively assuming the media has your best interests in mind... it does not.

No I don't believe the media I know they lie (like the politicians) to get their clicks.

What forms my opinion is what I see and that's friends and family die or get really sick because of it, so I have happily got the vaccine and continue to wear a mask and keep some distance with others if it means it will reduce the risks of transmitting it onto someone that might be at risk of it.

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It is mentioned here in the media and the government have come around to using it as part of the plan of attack on covid. Though I understand the reluctance to push it as the studies that were available were not the best.

Despite happily pushing a vaccine that lacked studies? We didn't necessarily know that Vitamin D was as effective as it is. But we do know it's safe. And those articles are recent, Vitamin D should have been rolled out right from the start.

Also, from your links:

The health secretary had previously claimed, wrongly, that government scientists had run a trial on vitamin D that showed it did not “appear to have any impact”, when in fact no such tests had taken place. In a meeting on 8 October, Hancock revealed he was facing resistance from the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) clinicians, but that he was nonetheless minded to change government course, later saying publicly there were “no downsides” to vitamin D supplements.

They don't give a shit about whether Vitamin D helps or doesn't, all they care about is 'public perception'.

Right what is your stance on the vaccine and will you get it?

Risk vs reward. For younger people who have almost no reward (anyone under 20 and healthy is pretty much immune), and the highest potential of risk it shouldn't be given to. In the 20-50y old range it should be up to the person (and their doctors) discretion. Healthy/fit people could skip it, those with pre-existing conditions or who work with vulnerable people could get it. Over 50y should consider getting it (highest reward lowest risk).

I have no intention of getting it. But with vaccine passports and legislation I may have no choice.

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Despite happily pushing a vaccine that lacked studies?

A vaccine that used old research based on other Sars variant that was shelved as the outbreak had passed.

And those articles are recent, Vitamin D should have been rolled out right from the start.

They are 4 and 8 months old. You can't have a government push something they really have no idea about that early (they didn't know at the beginning).

They don't give a shit about whether Vitamin D helps or doesn't, all they care about is 'public perception'.

They give a shit about the economy though, and if they thought they could have released the lock down we had here (and they tried too) they would have (in fact they have done even though cases of the new delta variant have shot up)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58354342

This is why people need to follow the advise of get vaccinated, wear a mask and stay away from people as much as possible as viruses love to mutate and fuck things up as much as they can and when everyone has done that for long enough maybe we can this thing to actually fuck off and we can get back to some type of normal.

The US attitude of "meh freedom" is killing people that didn't need to die and I've seen the videos and statements from doctors of people who are proud not to be vaccinated and laying in bed on a ventilator.

you talk about risk but the vaccine has a very small risk (like a lot of vaccines that you have probably had as a kid) and the reward is not either getting it or passing it on to others who might suffer, its a very selfish attitude.

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They give a shit about the economy though

No they don't, they destroyed it. It'll take decades to recover (if ever).

A vaccine that used old research based on other Sars variant that was shelved as the outbreak had passed.

We have/had more data on the safety and efficacy of Vitamin D, than we have/had on the vaccine. One is pushed round the clock, with government mandates and 'passports'. The other gets a couple articles a year and a half later.

This is why people need to follow the advise of get vaccinated, wear a mask and stay away from people as much as possible as viruses love to mutate and fuck things up as much as they can and when everyone has done that for long enough maybe we can this thing to actually fuck off and we can get back to some type of normal.

The politicians will never give up these new powers. They know they can lie to us, they know they can get away, they know no one will bother to question them, this will never end. Remember, initially it was just 'we need to flatten the curve', now it's 'we need state mandated passports and country wide censorship'.

The US attitude of "meh freedom" is killing people that didn't need to die and I've seen the videos and statements from doctors of people who are proud not to be vaccinated and laying in bed on a ventilator.

The government is killing people that didn't need to die. More people died because of the lockdowns and the restrictions than died due to the virus.

you talk about risk but the vaccine has a very small risk (like a lot of vaccines that you have probably had as a kid) and the reward is not either getting it or passing it on to others who might suffer, its a very selfish attitude.

The risk is much higher than other vaccines by an order of magnitude.

The funny thing is, millions of our forefathers died to gain these rights and freedoms, we're now pissing away because of an over-blown cold.

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No they don't, they destroyed it. It'll take decades to recover

Yes they do as without it they have no power and that is what they want.

But it is worse PR to let millions die on their watch (which would have been worse for the economy) than to try and balance it out.

We have/had more data on the safety and efficacy of Vitamin D, than we have/had on the vaccine. One is pushed round the clock, with government mandates and 'passports'. The other gets a couple articles a year and a half later.

No we have plenty of research on the vaccines, and they are pushing it more now as they know it is the best we have against this.

The government is killing people that didn't need to die. More people died because of the lockdowns and the restrictions than died due to the virus.

Going to need a source for that as we and other countries have had a worse lock down than in america and not had many deaths due to locking down.

The risk is much higher than other vaccines by an order of magnitude.

Any source on that? as the figures here don't show much increase of death from the vaccine over any other vaccine (most is normal anaphylactic reactions to it like any other)

The politicians will never give up these new powers. They know they can lie to us, they know they can get away, they know no one will bother to question them, this will never end. Remember, initially it was just 'we need to flatten the curve', now it's 'we need state mandated passports and country wide censorship'.

They have been doing it since before the US was even a country, they are the ruling class and the "freedom" you think you have in the US is an illusion. No one is "free" we are all controlled by these people in some way and if actual freedom is something you think you should have then you don't understand how societies work you can't have freedom and a functional society.

The very fact that this is a world wide problem and has got the ruling classes panties in a twist should show you that it is a bigger problem than just a "cold"

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Going to need a source for that as we and other countries have had a worse lock down than in america and not had many deaths due to locking down.

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Take a look at when all the deaths occurred. It was always 1-2 weeks after lockdowns were put in place. In every country. And notice how fast that initial spike in deaths dropped, pandemics don't burn through that fast.

What you're seeing is stress on the system causing deaths. Elderly, delayed surgeries, postponed 'elective' procedures, postponed diagnostic procedures, dialysis patients not able to get dialysis, etc...

When the system goes south, the most vulnerable die off first. Once we burned through a few million of them, the numbers dropped down to a more reasonable amount and stayed that way.

Check whatever country you want, but the peaks always follow the lockdowns by 1-2 weeks.

What's happening is that people are getting COVID, dying of other conditions, and then it's being reported as a 'COVID' death. This is why the vast majority of deaths from COVID (75%-99% depending on how you want to read it) are classified as 'with complications'.

COVID mortality rates are not significantly worse than a bad flu.

No we have plenty of research on the vaccines, and they are pushing it more now as they know it is the best we have against this.

Yeah, finding out fun side effects like nearly 80% chance of spontaneous abortion if administered in the 1st or 2nd trimester:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8117969/

Any source on that? as the figures here don't show much increase of death from the vaccine over any other vaccine (most is normal anaphylactic reactions to it like any other)

I don't have it off hand.

Simple things like washing your hands, masks, make sense. But the lockdowns and forcing children to take an experimental vaccine that provides no benefit to them does not. And draconian limits on our rights and freedoms needs to be protested/opposed on principle alone.

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Take a look at when all the deaths occurred. It was always 1-2 weeks after lockdowns were put in place. In every country. And notice how fast that initial spike in deaths dropped, pandemics don't burn through that fast.

That's how lock downs work by limiting people being able to be in contact with each other and so a drop off is expected as the virus can't spread so easily.

What you're seeing is stress on the system causing deaths. Elderly, delayed surgeries, postponed 'elective' procedures, postponed diagnostic procedures, dialysis patients not able to get dialysis, etc...

What your seeing is a combination of people dying from covid and over stretched medical services (another good reason to stop the spread)

Yeah, finding out fun side effects like nearly 80% chance of spontaneous abortion if administered in the 1st or 2nd trimester:

BS did you even read that report??

12.6% suffered a miscarriage (and the standard rate is 1 in 8) so in line with normal outcomes

COVID mortality rates are not significantly worse than a bad flu.

BS, it is worse than a bad flu, even with lock downs and masks and social distancing healthy people are still being put in ICU and dying from it a lot more than the normal flu.

You sound just like the typical conspiracy theorist, its not hard to understand this virus while not the most deadly thing on the planet is more deadly and contagious than the flu and things have to be done to contain it, you only have to look what a sars virus unchecked can do when you look at the spanish flu that killed about 1/3 of the planet.

There is a tiny chance of a bad adverse reaction to the vaccine that will reduce any symptoms of getting the virus (and could save your life) and you wont get it because of some weird distrust of not only your government but that of every government in the world, talk about paranoia.

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That's how lock downs work by limiting people being able to be in contact with each other and so a drop off is expected as the virus can't spread so easily.

The spikes came AFTER the lockdowns.

BS did you even read that report??

12.6% suffered a miscarriage (and the standard rate is 1 in 8) so in line with normal outcomes

They include 3rd trimester 'still births' even though they are by definition NOT spontaneous abortions. Remove all 3rd trimester and re-run the numbers.

BS, it is worse than a bad flu, even with lock downs and masks and social distancing healthy people are still being put in ICU and dying from it a lot more than the normal flu.

No, they are not.

You sound just like the typical conspiracy theorist,

Of course, label anyone who doesn't agree a conspiracy theorist, even though I'm the one with the evidence.

its not hard to understand this virus while not the most deadly thing on the planet is more deadly and contagious than the flu and things have to be done to contain it, you only have to look what a sars virus unchecked can do when you look at the spanish flu that killed about 1/3 of the planet.

The Spanish flu didn't kill anywhere near 1/3 the planet, estimated deaths were 25-50 million (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu), with a global estimated population of around 1.6 billion. That's around 3% of the total population (still a lot).

The Spanish flu was not a SARS virus but an influenza virus.

There is a tiny chance of a bad adverse reaction to the vaccine that will reduce any symptoms of getting the virus (and could save your life) and you wont get it because of some weird distrust of not only your government but that of every government in the world, talk about paranoia.

You have no evidence to support this.

[–]peteypete781 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The spikes came AFTER the lockdowns.

Yes because it takes time to kill someone.

They include 3rd trimester 'still births' even though they are by definition NOT spontaneous abortions. Remove all 3rd trimester and re-run the numbers.

1 still birth so in line with normal.

"Among 827 participants who had a completed pregnancy, the pregnancy resulted in a live birth in 712 (86.1%), in a spontaneous abortion in 104 (12.6%), in stillbirth in 1 (0.1%), and in other outcomes (induced abortion and ectopic pregnancy) in 10 (1.2%). A total of 96 of 104 spontaneous abortions (92.3%) occurred before 13 weeks of gestation"

These are within normal numbers.

No, they are not.

Are you saying that healthy people are not being put into ICU and dying???

If so we are done as there is clearly something wrong with you.

[–]Kaisha0011 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yes because it takes time to kill someone.

The virus was around both before and after the 'spikes'. They don't follow typical viral infection rates. They match exactly what you expect to see for vulnerable people dying, not COVID/infection deaths.

"Among 827 participants who had a completed pregnancy, the pregnancy resulted in a live birth in 712 (86.1%), in a spontaneous abortion in 104 (12.6%), in stillbirth in 1 (0.1%), and in other outcomes (induced abortion and ectopic pregnancy) in 10 (1.2%). A total of 96 of 104 spontaneous abortions (92.3%) occurred before 13 weeks of gestation"

These are within normal numbers.

It's all from table 4.

The 827 participants includes 3rd trimester, which I said repeatedly to not include. Just look at the 1st and 2nd trimester.

Data on pregnancy loss are based on 827 participants in the v-safe pregnancy registry who received an mRNA Covid-19 vaccine (BNT162b2 [Pfizer–BioNTech] or mRNA-1273 [Moderna]) from December 14, 2020, to February 28, 2021, and who reported a completed pregnancy. A total of 700 participants (84.6%) received their first eligible dose in the third trimester.

827 - 700 = 127 NOT in the 3rd trimester.

Spontaneous abortions can only occur in the 1st and 2nd trimester (less than 20 wk), they can't occur in the 3rd (greater than 20wk). 104/127 = 81.8%. Using 827 as the denominator is misleading.

Are you saying that healthy people are not being put into ICU and dying???

I'm saying that the vast majority (as per the links I've shown above) are not healthy people but have pre-existing conditions. So no, for the most part, very very few healthy people are dying. This isn't my conclusion, that is literally what the raw data says.

If so we are done as there is clearly something wrong with you.

I'll just link this a 3rd time: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

With underlying conditions: 11,370

Without underlying conditions: 99

Yet somehow it's absurd in your mind to suggest that 99 is FAR LESS than 11,370?? Less than 1% of the people dying to COVID are healthy.

But now it's your turn. I'd like to see data backing up your claims that the vaccine is as harmless as any other vaccine, and has no longer-term side effects.

[–]peteypete781 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The virus was around both before and after the 'spikes'. They don't follow typical viral infection rates. They match exactly what you expect to see for vulnerable people dying, not COVID/infection deaths.

(i'll use the UK as an example) The reason the lock downs are imposed is because the number of cases went up that then leads to deaths rising, then the cases and deaths fall after this point until they thought we were past it so they opened back up but used local lock downs for any places that showed a rise, people didn't really listen so then cases shoot up again with deaths so they lock down again (this time the deaths lagged behind by about 2 months) then they had a little opening for Christmas while the cases were rising and so it got a nice little boost and the deaths climbed even higher and so another lock down came along with the vaccination and all the other measures that helped stop the spread until it looked like we had beat it but now the Delta cases have shot up and deaths are following it.

The 827 participants includes 3rd trimester, which I said repeatedly to not include. Just look at the 1st and 2nd trimester.

Data on pregnancy loss are based on 827 participants in the v-safe pregnancy registry who received an mRNA Covid-19 vaccine (BNT162b2 [Pfizer–BioNTech] or mRNA-1273 [Moderna]) from December 14, 2020, to February 28, 2021, and who reported a completed pregnancy. A total of 700 participants (84.6%) received their first eligible dose in the third trimester.

827 - 700 = 127 NOT in the 3rd trimester.

Your using the wrong numbers.

"A total of 35,691 v-safe participants 16 to 54 years of age identified as pregnant. Injection-site pain was reported more frequently among pregnant persons than among nonpregnant women, whereas headache, myalgia, chills, and fever were reported less frequently. Among 3958 participants enrolled in the v-safe pregnancy registry, 827 had a completed pregnancy, of which 115 (13.9%) resulted in a pregnancy loss and 712 (86.1%) resulted in a live birth (mostly among participants with vaccination in the third trimester)."

So it is irrelevant when they was vaccinated as it still falls withing normal amount of pregnancy loss.

This is why they state.

"Solicited local and systemic reactions that were reported to the v-safe surveillance system were similar among persons who identified as pregnant and nonpregnant women. Although not directly comparable, the proportions of adverse pregnancy and neonatal outcomes (e.g., fetal loss, preterm birth, small size for gestational age, congenital anomalies, and neonatal death) among participants with completed pregnancies from the v-safe pregnancy registry appear to be similar to the published incidences in pregnant populations studied before the Covid-19 pandemic."

I'll just link this a 3rd time: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

And again that data is a year old and it doesn't take a year to get that data.

https://www.health.org.uk/publications/long-reads/one-year-on-three-myths-about-COVID-19-that-the-data-proved-wrong

But now it's your turn. I'd like to see data backing up your claims that the vaccine is as harmless as any other vaccine, and has no longer-term side effects.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

And remember that not all of these cases will actually be caused by the vaccine.

[–]Kaisha0011 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

(i'll use the UK as an example) The reason the lock downs are imposed is because the number of cases went up that then leads to deaths rising, then the cases and deaths fall after this point until they thought we were past it so they opened back up but used local lock downs for any places that showed a rise, people didn't really listen so then cases shoot up again with deaths so they lock down again (this time the deaths lagged behind by about 2 months) then they had a little opening for Christmas while the cases were rising and so it got a nice little boost and the deaths climbed even higher and so another lock down came along with the vaccination and all the other measures that helped stop the spread until it looked like we had beat it but now the Delta cases have shot up and deaths are following it.

No, if the number of infections spiked, you wouldn't see people start to die 2-3 months later. Those spikes don't correspond to infection rates, they correspond directly to lockdowns.

So it is irrelevant when they was vaccinated as it still falls withing normal amount of pregnancy loss.

It's not irrelevant at all. It's not normal loss if it's administered in the 1st or 2nd trimester.

And again that data is a year old and it doesn't take a year to get that data.

A year old is hardly irrelevant...

https://www.health.org.uk/publications/long-reads/one-year-on-three-myths-about-COVID-19-that-the-data-proved-wrong

The data in that article does not support their conclusions.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Those numbers are much higher than any other vaccine. GBS is not a joke, and we don't know the long term side effects.

And remember that not all of these cases will actually be caused by the vaccine.

Funny how that doesn't apply to COVID, only the vaccine.

[–]peteypete781 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

if the number of infections spiked, you wouldn't see people start to die 2-3 months later.

Lagged a month from the lock down not the number of cases.

If you look at the cases rate and the death rate they have the same pattern, this is why the lock downs happen cases rise lock down comes in cases fall lock downs removed cases rise again lock down comes back.

It really is simple

It's not irrelevant at all. It's not normal loss if it's administered in the 1st or 2nd trimester.

It is irrelevant, if the number of women having miscarriages who got the vaccine is not that different from women who have miscarriages who didn't get the vaccine then why would you think the vaccine has caused the miscarriages?

A year old is hardly irrelevant...

It is as we have changed the way we report deaths and in may 20 we didn't know all that much about the virus.

Those numbers are much higher than any other vaccine. GBS is not a joke, and we don't know the long term side effects.

Those numbers for death are for everyone who died within a time frame whether the causes was the vaccine or not. 167 cases of GBS out of 14m doses that is a tiny %.

Funny how that doesn't apply to COVID, only the vaccine.

That does apply to covid as deaths where it isn't a contributing factor (say fall off a building) are not included.

You're a typical conspiracy theorist, you are looking for things (that really aren't there) to confirm your bias against whoever it is you're scared of. The simple truth is that covid is something that had to be taken seriously and the vaccine is needed to help stop people from dying, and because of those like you who have railed against it the US is in a mess and has to try and entice people with stupid gifts to go get it while the rest of the world are generally happy to get it (about 90% so far have had it here)

[–]Kaisha0011 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If you look at the cases rate and the death rate they have the same pattern, this is why the lock downs happen cases rise lock down comes in cases fall lock downs removed cases rise again lock down comes back.

You have data to back that up?

It is irrelevant, if the number of women having miscarriages who got the vaccine is not that different from women who have miscarriages who didn't get the vaccine then why would you think the vaccine has caused the miscarriages?

... Women in the 3rd trimester can't have 'spontaneous abortions'. By definition if they fail to deliver it's classified as a stillbirth.

And the numbers aren't the same.

then why would you think the vaccine has caused the miscarriages?

Because going from 10% to 80% is a pretty massive jump.

It is as we have changed the way we report deaths and in may 20 we didn't know all that much about the virus.

May is in the middle of the largest 'spike' of deaths, was before we have vaccines, and has more accurate data than we do now. So not only is it MORE relevant, it is the data set we want to look at.

You're grasping at straws here.

That does apply to covid as deaths where it isn't a contributing factor (say fall off a building) are not included.

Falling off a building was not included in the vaccine deaths either.

You're a typical conspiracy theorist, you are looking for things (that really aren't there) to confirm your bias against whoever it is you're scared of.

I'm scared of... something... and then I'm not scared of COVID...???

Sounds like you're the one that's scared.

The simple truth is that covid is something that had to be taken seriously and the vaccine is needed to help stop people from dying, and because of those like you who have railed against it the US is in a mess and has to try and entice people with stupid gifts to go get it while the rest of the world are generally happy to get it (about 90% so far have had it here)

The communists had a good description of people like you: a useful idiot.

[–]peteypete781 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You have data to back that up?

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

Because going from 10% to 80% is a pretty massive jump.

Don't you understand statistics? you don't work it out on the 827 as that is the number of women with "completed pregnancies"

Among 3958 participants enrolled in the v-safe pregnancy registry, 827 had a completed pregnancy, of which 115 (13.9%) resulted in a pregnancy loss and 712 (86.1%) resulted in a live birth (mostly among participants with vaccination in the third trimester)

So out of 3958 115 resulted in a pregnancy loss of which 46 had a spontaneous abortion so 46 out of 3958 is the actual rate and falls into normal ranges.

May is in the middle of the largest 'spike' of deaths, was before we have vaccines, and has more accurate data than we do now. So not only is it MORE relevant, it is the data set we want to look at.

No it wasn't the largest spike in the US like the UK is January.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

In May 2020 we had not been in lock down very long here and the wearing masks and social distancing was new and so having a big spike appear in the beginning (when we didn't understand who might of died of it) is not a surprise, by January we knew a lot more and was reporting the deaths properly.

I'm scared of... something... and then I'm not scared of COVID...???

Sounds like you're the one that's scared.

Your scared of the boogyman who you think is out to get you (be it government or corporate) and are letting that dictate how you see all this.

The WORLD went "oh fuck" not just a country or 2 every government took it as serious and should demonstrate to you the seriousness of this.

The communists had a good description of people like you: a useful idiot.

That would be true if I was propagating propaganda, which i'm not (because there is no way on this fucking planet you get all the worlds leaders to agree on 1 topic) and so it is you who is producing propaganda by trying to belittle this issue and so while that doesn't make you a useful idiot (as you aren't propagating anything useful) it just makes you an idiot.

[–]Kaisha0011 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Among 3958 participants enrolled in the v-safe pregnancy registry, 827 had a completed pregnancy, of which 115 (13.9%) resulted in a pregnancy loss and 712 (86.1%) resulted in a live birth (mostly among participants with vaccination in the third trimester)

The completed pregnancies are the ones we are interested in. The one's that aren't completed yet, they don't have data for the outcome.

No it wasn't the largest spike in the US like the UK is January.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

In May 2020 we had not been in lock down very long here and the wearing masks and social distancing was new and so having a big spike appear in the beginning (when we didn't understand who might of died of it) is not a surprise, by January we knew a lot more and was reporting the deaths properly.

Your links do not back up your premise.

According to https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid the biggest spike in deaths occurred in April. But we see from your data, that there was no big spike in cases in the months prior.

Daily cases was pretty much flat lined at 30k/day until the end of July.

So the lock downs go in, no spike in new cases, and 2 weeks later a massive spike in deaths... but clearly its not the lockdowns...??

Sounds like you're the one that's scared.

Projection. And stop going off tangent. How bout we circle back to the whole 'healthy people are dying' argument. Oh yeah, you conveniently forgot about that?

You're only arguing these points, and have dropped the rest, because you think you can weasel your way out of admitting you might be wrong about all this.

Your scared of the boogyman who you think is out to get you (be it government or corporate) and are letting that dictate how you see all this.

The WORLD went "oh fuck" not just a country or 2 every government took it as serious and should demonstrate to you the seriousness of this.

That would be true if I was propagating propaganda, which i'm not (because there is no way on this fucking planet you get all the worlds leaders to agree on 1 topic) and so it is you who is producing propaganda by trying to belittle this issue and so while that doesn't make you a useful idiot (as you aren't propagating anything useful) it just makes you an idiot.

/yawn...

It's like arguing with a creationist...

[–]peteypete781 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The completed pregnancies are the ones we are interested in. The one's that aren't completed yet, they don't have data for the outcome.

No as that then is incomplete data you can't just look at those who have completed as you are then ignoring all the others who have had the vaccine but not lost the baby.

Your links do not back up your premise.

What!! cases rise we go into lock down, cases fall we come out, cases go back up and we go back into lock down cases then go down and so we come out of lock down. If you can't follow this then I don't know what else to say.

So the lock downs go in, no spike in new cases, and 2 weeks later a massive spike in deaths... but clearly its not the lockdowns...??

Cases and deaths spikes are the same they follow each other.

Projection. And stop going off tangent. How bout we circle back to the whole 'healthy people are dying' argument. Oh yeah, you conveniently forgot about that?

Not projection just an observation when talking to people like you who doesn't understand these things.

Healthy people dying upto june 2020 (can't find any other stats) - https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnounderlyinghealthconditionsbyage

As you can see it is killing healthy people and those healthy who don't die some have ended up with lasting effects

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1931

So dying is only one worry with this virus and in fact has other problems that it can leave you with.

/yawn...

It's like arguing with a creationist...

Still thinking you are right when all the evidence (if you actually understood it) shows that you are wrong, now where have I had that problem before? Oh yeah flat earthers.

[–]Kaisha0011 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No as that then is incomplete data you can't just look at those who have completed as you are then ignoring all the others who have had the vaccine but not lost the baby.

But not had the baby yet either, so we don't know the outcome...

I mean if you want to go as far as to argue the data is incomplete and we need more time to ascertain the vaccine's safety, then I agree, and I've been saying that since the 1st post. But there's enough issues with the data that we do have, that caution is warranted and vaccine enforcement (or even encouragement) is dangerous at this time.

What!! cases rise we go into lock down, cases fall we come out, cases go back up and we go back into lock down cases then go down and so we come out of lock down. If you can't follow this then I don't know what else to say.

Cases did not rise. They were flat-lined at 30k/day for months. The link you linked showed that.

Cases and deaths spikes are the same they follow each other.

They don't... at all. Cases didn't spike, they were (stated again for the 3rd time) flat-lined at 30k/day. I pointed that out in the previous post, it was from the link YOU linked.

As you can see it is killing healthy people and those healthy who don't die some have ended up with lasting effects

An absolutely tiny number compared to the number of people who had the virus.

If you look here (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales), you'll find a more detailed breakdown of the exact same data.

If you look on Table 5, you'll see the most common 'pre-existing condition' is Alzheimers and Dementia... Which are always the first to kick off when something like a lock down (any stress on their support system) is in place.

Still thinking you are right when all the evidence (if you actually understood it) shows that you are wrong, now where have I had that problem before? Oh yeah flat earthers.

You can use all the ad hominems you want, the data doesn't back your premise.

There was no spike in cases prior to the spike in deaths, healthy people (as a whole) are not dying in significant numbers, the vaccine isn't as innocuous as you claim.

[–]peteypete781 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I mean if you want to go as far as to argue the data is incomplete and we need more time to ascertain the vaccine's safety, then I agree, and I've been saying that since the 1st post. But there's enough issues with the data that we do have, that caution is warranted and vaccine enforcement (or even encouragement) is dangerous at this time.

You can say we need more time for pregnant women but you can't sit there and say it is dangerous as it has now been given to billions of people with very little problems (and your not a pregnant women and so is not an excuse to not get the vaccine)

Cases did not rise. They were flat-lined at 30k/day for months. The link you linked showed that.

Are you looking at the right graphs? the cases dropped and so did the deaths after may and went back up at the end of october and peaked in january.

Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

Cases

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

Peaks in april december and january (roughly) in both graphs with a flat june-septmember.

An absolutely tiny number compared to the number of people who had the virus

Irrelevant as they are still dying and the numbers would be higher without the precautions that were then taken thereafter. Do you not care that people who are healthy are dying? and what about all the healthy people who are now not healthy due to getting it?

If you look on Table 5, you'll see the most common 'pre-existing condition' is Alzheimers and Dementia... Which are always the first to kick off when something like a lock down (any stress on their support system) is in place.

But there support system wasn't put under stress as they were still allowed to have their carers come as normal (classed as support bubble) people with dementia and alzheimers are always more susceptible to other problems ( my mum died a few years ago and had alzheimers but died of pneumonia) this is due to their age.

You can use all the ad hominems you want, the data doesn't back your premise.

It does but you just don't know how to read it as shown by your lack of understanding of the pregnancy issue.

There was no spike in cases prior to the spike in deaths, healthy people (as a whole) are not dying in significant numbers, the vaccine isn't as innocuous as you claim.

Yes there is (again view the graphs) healthy people are dying from it (and still are) and those that don't die are suffering lasting effects of it as well. The vaccine has such a small number of adverse cases against the number of doses given to be statistically irrelevant, this is just you trying to convince yourself you are right not to get the vaccine due to some distrust that a lot of you yanks seem to have.

[–]Kaisha0011 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You can say we need more time for pregnant women but you can't sit there and say it is dangerous as it has now been given to billions of people with very little problems (and your not a pregnant women and so is not an excuse to not get the vaccine)

We can't say it isn't dangerous...

Are you looking at the right graphs?

Yes, the American ones. Not because I'm American (I'm not) but because they have more complete and easier to verify data. You keep going off-tangent whenever I present data that doesn't suit your bias...

Irrelevant as they are still dying and the numbers would be higher without the precautions that were then taken thereafter. Do you not care that people who are healthy are dying? and what about all the healthy people who are now not healthy due to getting it?

So a small number of people dying from the vaccine isn't relevant, but small number of healthy people dying from COVID is?

But there support system wasn't put under stress as they were still allowed to have their carers come as normal (classed as support bubble) people with dementia and alzheimers are always more susceptible to other problems ( my mum died a few years ago and had alzheimers but died of pneumonia) this is due to their age.

It certainly was. Doctors appointments were put on hold, they were no longer taken outside (trips, walks, etc...), visitation was restricted. Alzheimers and dementia do not predispostion you to die to COVID, at least not without a lapse in care.

It does but you just don't know how to read it as shown by your lack of understanding of the pregnancy issue.

Not at all...

Yes there is (again view the graphs) healthy people are dying from it (and still are) and those that don't die are suffering lasting effects of it as well. The vaccine has such a small number of adverse cases against the number of doses given to be statistically irrelevant, this is just you trying to convince yourself you are right not to get the vaccine due to some distrust that a lot of you yanks seem to have.

Again you claim that the small number of people dying from the vaccine is irrelevant but the small number dying from COVID are?

I'm not American, and it seems all you have are Ad Hominems.

[–]peteypete781 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

We can't say it isn't dangerous..

The rates of adverse effects are tiny compared to the number of doses given so yes its not dangerous.

Yes, the American ones. Not because I'm American (I'm not) but because they have more complete and easier to verify data. You keep going off-tangent whenever I present data that doesn't suit your bias...

We were talking about the UK (both of us linked things to the uk) but if you think the US stats are reliable or useful in anyway then you haven't looked at states for other countries or thought about how the US systems work, there like little countries and as such lock downs and other measures were different depending on the state. If you look at other countries that responded as one country (same measures across the country) then they all show the same pattern as the UK graphs I linked do.

So a small number of people dying from the vaccine isn't relevant, but small number of healthy people dying from COVID is?

The % of people not only dying but also SUFFERING LASTING CONDITIONS (highlighting this as you keep ignoring it) is a heel of a lot higher % than the % of adverse effects.

It certainly was. Doctors appointments were put on hold, they were no longer taken outside (trips, walks, etc...), visitation was restricted. Alzheimers and dementia do not predispostion you to die to COVID, at least not without a lapse in care.

They don't rely on doctors appointments to treat dementia (as only like 1 drug is useful and being mentally active is the other advice given) and they still could go out for walks as exercise was permitted. You are looking at dementia as an underlying condition as some sort of big excuse but 66000 people die with dementia every year (uk) so its not unusual for the stats to have a high number of dementia sufferers as they tend to be old.

Not at all...

Yes it does, you have shown you don't understand the pregnancy statistics.

Again you claim that the small number of people dying from the vaccine is irrelevant but the small number dying from COVID are?

Again the %'s are completely different (and you have to include those who suffer lasting effects)

I'm not American, and it seems all you have are Ad Hominems.

I have shown with stats how you are wrong so no Ad Hominems here.

Simple facts-

Healthy people die of this virus.

Healthy people have lasting damage from this virus.

People who have other health issues have a higher chance of it killing/having adverse effects.

It is highly contagious and has mutated a few times.

The vaccines adverse rate is low enough not to be a concern.

The vaccine is shown to slow the spread.

The vaccine is shown to protect you from the serious sides of the virus.

Get vaccinated, wear a mask and try and keep your distance from others it really is that simple.

[–]Kaisha0011 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The rates of adverse effects are tiny compared to the number of doses given so yes its not dangerous.

Something you have still failed to show...

We were talking about the UK

No, I was talking about the US, linked to US stats, you linked to US stats, then decided to change half way through to UK when it was clear the US stats didn't support your position.

The % of people not only dying but also SUFFERING LASTING CONDITIONS (highlighting this as you keep ignoring it) is a heel of a lot higher % than the % of adverse effects.

Again the %'s are completely different (and you have to include those who suffer lasting effects)

Again, you fail to quantify your assertions. You say the number of healthy people dying to COVID is large enough to matter, and the number of healthy people dying to the vaccine is too small to matter, but have not quantified either.

I've quantified my assertions, your continued failure to do so indicates you are being dishonest.

I have shown with stats how you are wrong so no Ad Hominems here.

The only links you provided backed my claims.

Healthy people die of this virus.

Such a useless tautology. At no point did I claim no one died, I just claimed it was FAR LESS than the media, and most people, believe. I backed that up showing that only 1% of the total deaths are attributable to healthy people.

Healthy people have lasting damage from this virus.

Again, a useless tautology.

People who have other health issues have a higher chance of it killing/having adverse effects.

Which I never disagreed with, in fact it was a core point of my argument.

It is highly contagious and has mutated a few times.

Never claimed otherwise.

The vaccines adverse rate is low enough not to be a concern.

Unsubstantiated claim.

The vaccine is shown to slow the spread.

The vaccine is shown to protect you from the serious sides of the virus.

Useless tautology.

Get vaccinated, wear a mask and try and keep your distance from others it really is that simple.

Surrendering your rights and freedoms has always been easy.

[–]peteypete781 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Something you have still failed to show...

In this link I already gave. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Rate of 0.0019% for deaths

Rate of 0.000314% for GBS

Rate of 0.0005% for Anaphylaxis

No, I was talking about the US, linked to US stats, you linked to US stats, then decided to change half way through to UK when it was clear the US stats didn't support your position.

No, you link 1 set of stats to the US that are shit, they were gathered at a point when we didn't know what was going on properly and who to assign a covid death to.

I brought the UK into it as the stats here are much more complete and easily available to demonstrate how the spikes followed each other.

Again, you fail to quantify your assertions. You say the number of healthy people dying to COVID is large enough to matter, and the number of healthy people dying to the vaccine is too small to matter, but have not quantified either.

I have shown that here - https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnounderlyinghealthconditionsbyage

Death rate for those who are healthy was 0.3088%

So you can see you are far more likely to die form covid than the vaccine.

I've quantified my assertions, your continued failure to do so indicates you are being dishonest.

No you have just either failed to actually read the links properly or not understood them.

The only links you provided backed my claims.

No they haven't.

Saying that they are useless tautologies shows you do not understand the point, which is that YOU don't know how your body will react to the virus and that YOU don't care about others. Maybe if you had grapsed this I wouldn't of had to repeat myself.

Surrendering your rights and freedoms has always been easy.

What rights are you surrendering?? None as it is the same as when you are a kid and get your MMR (or whatever they have were you live) jab.

This vaccine not only protects you but by getting it, it protects others as well.

Freedom is only granted as being part of a society, none of us are truly free to do what we want and we all conform to rules and laws to participate in it, this is one more thing (that a government has the right to do) that needs doing to protect the population.

But I bet me explaining all this is useless as you will still deny it like some Qanon muppet, you are so far into the government bad (as shown by the idea you think you are giving up rights and freedoms) that you can't see what is right in front of you.

I hope you don't get it and end up like those idiots in the US who proudly state they are not vaccinated while dying of something a simple shot could have saved them from.

I'm not going to reply anymore, if you still don't see it despite all the evidence out there then good luck.

Ciao.

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Rate of 0.0019% for deaths

Rate of 0.000314% for GBS

Rate of 0.0005% for Anaphylaxis

That's not the raw data, just a summary. I want to see the source data before I draw conclusions.

No, you link 1 set of stats to the US that are shit, they were gathered at a point when we didn't know what was going on properly and who to assign a covid death to.

You know that's complete nonsense. If we 'didn't know what was going on', then how could you justify the lockdowns and other measures? You're trying to find ways to pretend that data doesn't exist because it doesn't fit your narrative.

I brought the UK into it as the stats here are much more complete and easily available to demonstrate how the spikes followed each other.

It is none of those things. You brought it in because the lockdown deaths are less clear to see, nothing more.

I have shown that here - https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnounderlyinghealthconditionsbyage

It does not show that on that page, and this computer doesn't have excel, nor do I have the time atm to search through your links for your claims.

Death rate for those who are healthy was 0.3088%

Death rate for those infected, or death rate as a percentage of total dead?

So you can see you are far more likely to die form covid than the vaccine.

No doubt, but by how much is the important point.

Saying that they are useless tautologies shows you do not understand the point, which is that YOU don't know how your body will react to the virus and that YOU don't care about others. Maybe if you had grapsed this I wouldn't of had to repeat myself.

That has nothing to do with it and everything with you not understanding how logic works.

Saying that 'healthy people die from COVID' is true, someone, somewhere who had no pre-existing condition has died from COVID. Healthy people have also died from being struck by a meteor. These are both useless tautologies because without additional information (what's the % chance, what will it cost to prevent the issue, etc...) they provide nothing to the argument.

It's nothing more than knee-jerk emotional reaction.

What rights are you surrendering?? None as it is the same as when you are a kid and get your MMR (or whatever they have were you live) jab.

The lockdowns, the vaccine passports, government censorship.

Freedom is only granted as being part of a society, none of us are truly free to do what we want and we all conform to rules and laws to participate in it, this is one more thing (that a government has the right to do) that needs doing to protect the population.

Again, useless tautology... You just don't learn do you?

If someone says taxes are too high, do you respond with 'but the government needs taxes to function!!'?

But I bet me explaining all this is useless as you will still deny it like some Qanon muppet, you are so far into the government bad (as shown by the idea you think you are giving up rights and freedoms)

And you can't argue logically...

that you can't see what is right in front of you.

That rights and freedoms are being taken away? You realize the irony of that statement?

But I bet me explaining all this is useless

That's the weird part, you actually think these useless tautologies are 'debating' and you are 'explaining all this'. I pointed out repeatedly that most of the things you stated were things I did not disagree with.

But you can't read, and you can't think, so you don't know how to respond in anything that isn't a gross exaggeration, a useless tautology, an appeal to authority, or a knee-jerk emotional reaction.

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I'm curious about your logic for this. Depends on the kind of investment, but it usually makes sense to invest with cash you already have on hand, not credit.

Although this is an extreme example, not to mention stupid and incredibly risky, some people have been known to use credit cards to buy stocks in the hopes that they'll bring back in more money than the initial investment so they're essentially borrowing money to make money. The banks already do this with everyone else's money so I figure that if I use credit in the tight spot that I'm in to potentially bring in more money in the future, the investment and risk will have been worth it, as I'm essentially doing what the bank is doing, although their method and return is more guaranteed.

Because if your investment doesn't pay off, you will not only already owe the principal, but it will have to pay the interest it accrues until you are able to fully pay it off. So failed investments will end up costing more than your original buy in price over time

Yes, I know, which is why I have to only make investments that I'm certain will pay off in the future. For example, if I use the card to get a certification that I can put on my resume or use to market myself, I can bring in more money that can be used to pay off the debt and now I have something extra that will hopefully add on to my wealth on top of it. Might as well use their money to make money, right?

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For example, if I use the card to get a certification that I can put on my resume or use to market myself, I can bring in more money that can be used to pay off the debt and now I have something extra that will hopefully add on to my wealth on top of it. Might as well use their money to make money, right?

Sure, but normally what people would do in that situation is get a student loan.

The difference is that credit card purchases will start to accrue interest immediately, and at a higher rate (unless you already have established good credit).

Student loans usually have a grace period where they won't accrue interest until a certain period of time after you're no longer in your education program, as well as often have better rates.

I don't recommend them for people pursuing expensive degrees without a clear path to generating income, but for something lower cost like a certification or trade school they can definitely be worthwhile.

Something to look into, you never know which federal grants or loan programs you qualify for until you apply.

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Sure, but normally what people would do in that situation is get a student loan.

For a degree, yes. I don't think anyone would use a credit card to pay for their college tuition unless it was their rich parents' card, or they weren't very smart.

The difference is that credit card purchases will start to accrue interest immediately, and at a higher rate (unless you already have established good credit).

Yeah, they set my APR at 15% I think, but there's a "15 month 0% APR" promotional period for this one.

Student loans usually have a grace period where they won't accrue interest until a certain period of time after you're no longer in your education program, as well as often have better rates.

Yeah I'm not big on student loans either lol. Going into debt is something I've never wanted to do because it just doesn't make sense to me to spend money that I don't have unless it's going to bring back in more money somewhat immediately. I'd say student loans are even riskier because a job is never guaranteed and the pay might be low so you're paying off your debt for years. Maybe even a decade.

I don't recommend them for people pursuing expensive degrees without a clear path to generating income, but for something lower cost like a certification or trade school they can definitely be worthwhile.

Yeah, certs and trade schooling, definitely. I have a CDL A license that was paid for by grant and although I didn't like trucking, it's something that I can use to bring in more money.

Something to look into, you never know which federal grants or loan programs you qualify for until you apply.

Scholarships are totally different, but yeah.

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Anything under 200 is fine as long as you pay back 75% so you still have credit used to show consistent use and repayment. The credit system is focused on consistent use and repayment if you make one purchase every 3 months you'll not see a massive change in credit score.

Gotcha. That's good to know.

Persistent bills with repayment not in total but near total will see a swift increase in credit score over a years course.

Ah so phone bill, maybe food, and some minor things here and there. Sounds manageable.

Basically the logic is you have this money you pay back most of it but you leave some of it so that system will see you as potentially having interest drawn on you for spending tge money so that they can increase the amount of money that they'll give to you and thus also increase your score.

Interesting. That's good to know. 'preciate it.

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I felt so bad for this social worker today. We give free housing to our non local patients and a family member but have made vaccination a condition of the housing. So this woman whose mother died from Covid a month ago had to listen empathetically while they asked how to get a religious exemption from the vaccination. So she came to my office because she wanted to know who to contact and to unload. Her mother was so careful got vaccinated and only went to church, probably where she got it. I am assuming we won't give the exemption no idea. If I decided the answer would be fuck off but I do not decide.

Then this kid a few doors down had a meltdown because his mother told him to put down his iPad and try and eat so he deliberately disconnected his line and spilled chemo on the floor. Naturally I had to get the chemo kit to clean it up housekeeping doe not do that because it is a biohazard. Anyway the kid tried to get off the chair and jump into the spill and I used my goat devil voice to say DO NOT DO THAT it will burn your feet off. It won't but he is six so he believed me.The mother thanked me. Anyway don't go into healthcare.

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I wonder why men leave their wives for younger women them.

They rarely do, only 30% of divorces are initiated by men. Men don't cheat for better, they cheat for variety.

And even when men cheat, it doesn't necessarily mean they stopped loving the wife.

So, women should choose men for looks, sex and personality then she would be equally as capable of living men for themselves.

But that's not how female sexuality works. You don't choose how your attraction works.

What if she likes what outsiders judge as bad boys?

She'll stop loving the bad boy once a badder boy comes up or he stops being so much of an asshole to her. You don't seem to get what the main problem is.

Are you sure women can meet approval ever?

They can't because you don't choose how your attraction works. Theoretically they could if their sexuality was less context dependent.

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Eh, women all know that men strongly prefer youth for sex. But realistically, most men are not multimillionaires who trash the marriage with wife #1 to hunt down a fresh new bride, even if that’s what many ordinary men wish they could do.

But… it also kind of looks like you’re arguing is that wanting to be with a man long term is actually pointless, since men cannot actually truly desire a woman over 30. Once you’re over a certain age, he’ll only stick around because he’s stuck in the marriage and can’t get the options he really wants, not because he could ever possibly desire an older woman.

Sigh. I guess it’s a bitter pill to swallow, but then again, the red pill sidebar says women are fundamentally incapable of love… perhaps it’s fair for them to argue that men are fundamentally incapable of it as well.

Or… normal people don’t marry people way outside their social class/looks/age/income brackets because they aren’t cutthroat billionaires looking to greedily optimize and exploit everything in their lives. 🙄

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For what it may be worth, I fall into the "very wealthy" category (net worth > $50m), divorced, and planning a remarriage with a large age gap.

I think it's kind of like the girl who says she doesn't care about height but it "just so happens" that all of her boyfriends have been over 6' tall. In other words, men instinctively find youthfulness attractive in women, so a man with options will tend to gravitate towards younger women.

Part of the issue is not so much youth per se, but other issues. I prefer to date women who are (1) not single moms; (2) not overweight; and (3) not damaged by past bad experiences with men. It's a lot easier to find a woman with these qualities if you date on the younger side.

It also was a surprise to me just how open young women are to dating middle aged men. When you hear women talking on the internet, they inevitably say "ewww gross" when the subject of middle aged men comes up. But it seems that for the most part it's empty virtue-signalling.

When I go out, I'm careful not to flaunt my wealth and I still get a steady stream of interest from young women. I can only imagine what it's like for a "Chad."

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Yeah, I would have thought that it's just a matter of being wealthy, but what's interesting is that I get regular interest even when I don't flaunt my wealth.

For example, I often commute to work using the city subway mainly because it's interesting to meet people. I don't wear any expensive clothing or jewelry. The other day, a cute read-headed woman in a minidress sat down next to me. I asked her a BS question about where the train was going, and she answered me and also complimented an article of clothing I was wearing. I took this as a green light to escalate things, so we started talking. She had recently graduated college and had moved to the city to start a new job. She told me that she had an unusual musical instrument in her apartment, so I expressed interest in hearing/seeing it. We got off together at her stop, went up to her place and had sex.

Obviously things like that don't happen every day, but it's not infrequent either, especially now that things are calming down with the whole epidemic.

To hear women on the internet tell it, a woman in her early 20s would never in a million years be the slightest bit interested in a casual encounter with a man 30 years older. I suppose it's just another example of Internet Unicorn Syndrome.

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Do you look younger than you are?

Not really. On the plus side, I still have most of my hair and I'm in pretty good shape. On the down side, I have lines in my face like most men my age.

If you’re fit and look younger it’s not surprising that younger women are open to dating you.

I think there are two issues in play: First, a woman assess whether she finds the man reasonably attractive. Since a middle aged man is still potentially fertile, his age is not necessarily a problem at this stage. Second, a woman assesses the social consequences of dating a man. It's here that age is a bigger problem.

But the key thing is that one issue is a rule-in criterion while the other is a rule-out criterion. In other words, if the man passes a woman's looks test, then there are a lot of ways he can get into her pants. If he doesn't then he's out and there's nothing that can be done short of bribing her, which is likely to lead to a lot of misery.

For this reason, I don't think age is such a big handicap for a man until he reaches an age where he appears to be infertile.

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I’ve certainly said that plenty of men prefer women in their age bracket.

Idk about that. I think everyone groups differently. There's no set "18 - 24, 25 - 29, 30 - 34, 35 - 39 and so on" age brackets. People that are in the lower part of one bracket will go down to the upper part of another (e.g., 26 and 23, 33 and 28, 40 and 38, etc). Everyone sets their own bracket, which could be "up to _ years younger and no more than _ years older."

But once you’re north of 35, “your age bracket” is significantly larger than the younger folks on here realize (bf is 11 years my senior, and - at our ages - we’re age matched. Like, it’s not even a debate)

I think that's more due to social acceptability than anything. A lot of people (especially women) would flip their shit if a 30 year old was going out with a 19 year old, because "she's basically a child" even though she isn't. Once people are within the acceptable age range of "mature adult" do people stop saying things about age difference.

What I object to is the idea that the majority of men are somehow disgusted or turned off by their age matches

Not disgusted or turned off, but that the younger women (or younger versions of themselves) are typically more attractive than they are.

I think it’s like u/oldmanwinter_68 said - people with options will take the most attractive option. And let’s be honest, the average younger girls are more attractive than the average age matched chicks

Yes, that last line is the key point there.

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Do you really think people are going to voice their displeasure about another couple because of an age difference? Highly unlikely in person. Women will just come of even more bitter than they do online.

It’s similar to present day racism. Do you know who Rachel Nichols is? Her show was recently cancelled because of her comments about a black female colleague. Rachel is liberal, but only until it affects her. If a black woman is promoted thats great, but if a black woman is promoted before her or takes her desired position then she has a problem. You can research the rest on your own.

Now, how does this relate to women? Women are liberal, pro LGBTQ+, pro do what you want up until the point is affects them. 30 year old men can date whoever they want, but they better not date that 22 year old. That’s interfering with post wall women’s options. She doesn’t have time to mess around. She needs that baby and she needed it yesterday.

Women are tired of those damn cats, tired of that dirty apartment, she needs captain BB.

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You sure can! Welcome to the beauty of the Community Megathread.

Okay, just to make clear, you wrote some stupid bullshit not related to the topic.

I still think that much of that 20-year-gap phenomenon is probably accounted for by older men marrying 30+ women who are younger relative to them. Like according to that data If Gates gets married again his wife would be like 45, Bezos' new GF would be in her 30s (his new GF is actually 51 tho interestingly enough).

That's an average, some of those rich men get divorced when they are 20, some of them when they are 30 or 40.

70 year old guy might marry 30 year and 30 year old guy might marry 25 year old, average age gap will still be 22.5 as it is.

but since most people divorce before 40, most of their second spouses must be in their 20s and 30s.

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And just to be clear, this isn't an actual thread, you're not a mod, and I disagree with you. Congrats, you hit the megathread trifecta.

You still wrote something off topic.

Patterns of divorce amongst wealthy/educated people do not match those amongst non-wealthy/uneducated people in many respects.

Most billionaires have bachelors degree, they aren't that different from educated people

and no, not necessarily https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2021/05/09/bill-gates-divorce-inside-the-billion-dollar-marriages-most-expensive-divorces-bezos-divorce-harold-hamm-check/?sh=1c78d6947da1

In fact, America’s richest billionaires get divorced at similar rates to the average citizen, Forbes found after examining the relationships of the 50 richest people in the United States. These billionaires (each worth at least $13.2 billion) have said “I do” a collective 72 times—35 of which ended in divorce, putting their rate at 49%—in-line with the 40% to 50% rate among the general population.

Expecting anything to translate from the population as a whole to what wealthy people are doing in that area is a crapshoot.

This is bunch of baseless claims, some of them divorce at 30, some of them at 40 or 50

most people divorce before 40.

https://www.bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources/data/family-profiles/allred-age-variation-div-rate-fp-19-13.html

65 + people are least likely to divorce

even if most billionaires divorce at 45-55 their second wives would be in 20s and 30s.

60 year old guy can also marry someone 25-35 years younger, 22 year age gap is average, it can be skewed by men who remarry in their 30s.

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You still wrote something off topic.

Congrats on your promotion to "still not a moderator"

Most billionaires have bachelors degree, they aren't that different from educated people

Never indicated otherwise

In fact, America’s richest billionaires get divorced at similar rates to the average citizen, Forbes found after examining the relationships of the 50 richest people in the United States. These billionaires (each worth at least $13.2 billion) have said “I do” a collective 72 times—35 of which ended in divorce, putting their rate at 49%—in-line with the 40% to 50% rate among the general population.

Ah yes, funny you should mention Forbes. In case you were wondering out of the 10 men they currently list as richest in the world their most recent wives are either close to their age or there's a gap but they got together when the woman was at least in her 30s. Lots of divorce like you indicated there would be, but the ages cluster around there. Fancy that.

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okay flooder

Uh huh

Yeah, so I'm right.

On something that was never in dispute to begin with.

small sample size, 10 men doesn't mean shit, I linked that because it was comparing their divorce rates to what's average. Also I checked and they either married women in 20s or 30s

If you checked them all how the hell did you miss that Buffet married his current wife when she was 60? Based on that I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you didn't.

also two women Elon married were in 20s. I'm still correct.

Ah yes, complain about the small sample and then respond with an even smaller sample. First wife was only two years younger than him, he got with the 20-something when still in his 30s (divorced, got back with the same woman, then divorced again), current SO who actually fits the age gap you insist on got with him when she was 30. But hey, at least you tried.

numbers don't lie, 22.3 year gap baby

Correct the numbers support the conclusion that the majority of those age gaps can be accounted for by older dudes marrying women who are 22.3 years younger than them but still older than 20s. Glad you learned something by the end of this.

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If you checked them all how the hell did you miss that Buffet married his current wife when she was 60? Based on that I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you didn't.

Just one example. Also he has only 15 year gap lmao. Drives down average, that supports my point.

Ah yes, complain about the small sample and then respond with an even smaller sample. First wife was only two years younger than him, he got with the 20-something when still in his 30s (divorced, got back with the same woman, then divorced again), current SO who actually fits the age gap you insist on got with him when she was 30. But hey, at least you tried.

Nah. I have actually linked largest sample size.

Correct the numbers support the conclusion that the majority of those age gaps can be accounted for by older dudes marrying women who are 22.3 years younger than them but still older than 20s. Glad you learned something by the end of this.

It's not. Already told you most people get divorced before 40. Even if billionaires marry later most of their second spouses still would be in their 20s and 30s.

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Fidelity is much, much more important for men.

So, no you wouldn’t be okay with her cheating but staying out of loyalty.

Women are socially conditioned to be jealous, it's not natural for them.

Eh. I think they are jealous. I simply think it upsets men on an even more visceral level.

Lots of women don't even care, they have agreements with their husbands.

Perhaps. For those women they can begrudgingly stomach it as long as he honors the four Ds:

No Disease (STDs)
No Disrespect (shamelessly flaunting women around and embarrassing her/ having others whisper and talk about her)
No Descendants (No babies except hers)
No Destitution (he needs to remain a provider, poor men can’t afford this level of “blind eye”)

But even then, a man cheating on a woman lessens her endearment toward him, which means if the connection arises with another person, she’s not going to not cheat on him. She doesn’t have the sense of obligation or adoration anymore. It’s sort of like a callous cheating free for all which the husband is actually never okay with. But that’s what unconsciously happens when she’s knows he cheats regularly.

Divorcing husband after getting promoted is just a coincidence bro

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Women literally dont give a fuck about your existance if you arent attractive, so thats always priority number one.

This is straight up incel catastrophizing self-pitying garbage. Even in this specific case: that woman you talked to stood there, listened to your feedback, and did nothing worse than crossing her arms for fuck’s sake, and based on that you’ve decided she actually hates you for the way you look, and so do all other women, because women are horrible evil uncaring monsters. Wow. Good to know that basic polite listening and not batting eyes and flirting like an idiot in the workplace while crossing your arms makes you literally Hitler.

What you actually mean by “women literally don’t give a fuck about your existence” is that they won’t fuck you on command. And they shouldn’t. Spreading your legs like a whore for every man on earth not the way to care about men.

Yes, women won’t fuck you willingly if they’re not attracted, but that’s not the same as “literally not giving a fuck about your existence”. In the real world, women are the majority of volunteers in homeless shelters, and other charities that help men.

You would do well to stop imagining the inner thoughts of other people and start living your life based on factual criteria. The fact is this woman crossed her arms in a way that you apparently found distasteful. She didn’t murder anybody or call you ugly; she didn’t even reject you for a date. You made up alllllllllll of this self-loathing and hatred of women based entirely on a gesture that could be either defensive posturing based on you criticizing her work, or could be her feeling nipply in a cold office, or could be that just a habit of posture.

But no, you’re right, the more reasonable explanation must be that all women are fuckdoll automatons whose entire lives center around whether or not they want to fuck you. Does that sound right to you? Is that an accurate projection of how women should view your every micro gesture: as a tactic to get in their pants?

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Ok, first off, wow, you extrapolated a lot out of that one paragraph and that says a lot more about you than it does about me. Im not addressing anyone of your wild accusations about my presumptions of women, so just know off the bat Im not entertaining that shit at all unless you actually have a solid foundation of reason.

Second off, maybe my wording was off. What I meant was women dont give a fuck about you in a romantic sense if you arent attractive. I could go on about womens feelings about unattractive men, but thats going to drag everything down and Im not getting into that right now. Just know that it isnt dissimilar to how you perceive how attractive and unattractive women are treated by men.

Third, it was women that taught me I need ruthless self improvement to be seen by them. That I'm not good enough for love unless I fix at least 4 or 5 issues. Im just responding in kind. Women demand ruthless self improvement, so thats what I aim to do.

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you extrapolated a lot out of that one paragraph

You extrapolated a lot out of crossed arms, so this really isn’t much of a criticism. At least I judged you on your words.

Im not addressing anyone of your wild accusations about my presumptions of women

This is literally words you said:

Women literally dont give a fuck about your existance if you arent attractive

This is in the context of you specifically complaining that a woman, horror of horrors, crossed her arms during a work conversation when you said that… that isn’t even remotely the same as “women won’t date men they are not attracted to”.

What I meant was women dont give a fuck about you in a romantic sense if you arent attractive.

How is this relevant to a work conversation where you’re giving her feedback? Or were you asking her out in a romantic sense?

That I'm not good enough for love unless I fix at least 4 or 5 issues.

This is still the same useless self-pitying nonsense I saw before. Call it projection all you want, that’s not what it is. I certainly don’t think I’m “not good enough” for love, or that I’m “ugly as fuck”.

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The point I have been hoping to make to you is that your route to self-improvement needs to include correcting your automatic self-defeating irrational thoughts. I dropped a bunch of other irrational assumptions about you as a parallel to the bizarre and I’ll-fitting assumptions about people you seem willing to make based on nothing more than very ambiguous body language. If you recognize that my elaborating on negative ideas you hinted at in your words here is horribly unfair, then why can’t you also recognize that your own assumptions about how other people view you are also not always fair?

Your assumption that a colleague crossing her arms was actually a personal slight against your physical appearance is incredibly irrational, and sounds a lot like typical depression-related thought processes. That kind of overly negative assumptions based on almost nothing is self defeating: it will cause you to over analyze to the point of drawing massively wrong conclusions about people, and will also sabotage your will to socialize comfortably. Your self improvement journey would be improved itself if you worked on relaxing your knee jerk assumption that other people think extremely negative thoughts about you, and that they are treating you like “they literally don’t give a fuck about your existence” when they are doing nothing discernibly cruel.

I sincerely wish you well in working on your unhappiness and whatever trauma it is you’re suffering.

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Ultimate end game is that their comfort and security is looked after. Every guy is raised to be a pure beta where his world revolves around a woman. Raising her kids. Paying for her shit. Being the man that stepped up. Women are free to explore their sexuality.

Someone could write a good dystopia novel about it and include these themes. A world where a guy becomes a pariah because his wife says she wants the babies of another guy and he's expected to say yes, but he says no because he doesn't want to raise another man's kid. "her body her choice!" "A real man steps up!" There would be a bachelor tax on single men over the age of 30. There would be bans on men and women having relations where the age gap is greater than 5 years and the guy would be called a pedo for it. Guys get fined for toxic masculinity, like raising their voices. There would be consent forms post sex which women would have to approve 12 hours, 12 days and 12 years after sex. Guys getting hauled to prison for consent withdrawn after because it turned out he wasn't a dolphin trainer at SeaWorld. But the book would simultaneously have to be set in a world that's pretty utopian too. Extreme comforts and security. Women should read the book and think it's great and men should read the book and feel horrified. Gets discussion going.

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I'm genuinely predicting the rise of a sub culture among very far left / feminist where women will assert their right to the father of the baby they have. They will be in marriages but will tell their husbands they want Brad's baby from work and there will be cultural pressure on husband to agree to it. They Brad is just a sperm donor and while husband is the real father because he's raising it. There will be the my body my choice narratives and then attacking men's insecurity over it.

These feminists typically partner up with the purest betas who are somewhat inclined to agree to it. We are already are seeing polygamy and open relationships for the woman, this is the direction it'll go. I think women picking the seed will come with the next generation. It'll be a sub culture that other people will look at as crazy. Especially because there will be men that agree to this.

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Its not uncommon on r/sugarlifestyleforum (a sub centering around sugaring) to see many women on there get upset at which is easily determined to be them not liking the amount of leverage sugardaddies have.

Its funny to see the role reversal. If youre a legit daddy you have so much abundance if a women doesnt give you exactly what you want you can easily find others who will. Even as a salt daddy I can feel this.

Im starting to see more clearly that its more about "people with leverage often abuse it" than it is about women, its just that women by default in vanilla have more leverage. And the people who are on the losing side of this dont like it in either scenario.

Though I feel absolutely ZERO empathy when throwing my weight around when I have the opportunity, because that is exactly what is shown to me in vanilla dating.

Its funny to see the women there with what amounts to basically "(Unsaid) [Yeah I demand whatever I want in vanilla, and if guys dont meet it I next them, of course I do, wouldnt you?] But please dont do the same to me when youre in the position to do so! Its not fair!"

Though of course girls above a certain hotness still have a lot of leverage.

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Too many Men generally speaking waste way too much time attempting to win over women who clearly don’t want them meanwhile there’s a girl in his social network/group who wants to suck the skin of his penis but he either

A. Doesn’t pick up on her hints

B. Doesn’t know how to close the deal even if he did read it well

C. Thinks he’s too good for her.

It reminds me of this acquaintance years ago who would complain to me and my homegirl about how he doesn’t get girls. Well one of my homegirls would tell him one of my friends thinks you’re cute just talk to her and you could be getting laid in a week. He was like nah that’s not my type. Now the girl is about a 6.5 but she got a HUGE ass and nice titties. I wouldn’t smash because I had better options but if you’re a dude who gets no pussy and you turn that down I can’t feel sorry for you.

That guy was kind of a lost cause though lol. Like even if he tried to talk to her he woulda probably ruined it by being weird and nothing dries up coochie more than weirdos.

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you are correct. in the US there have only been cases of impersonation and whats called "dr feelgood" cases, which i laughed out loud about when we read in law school. a woman went to a dr and he told her he could treat what was wrong with her with a very expensive medicine, but for less money he could ingest the medicine himself and apply it to her with sex lol. there was a famous case in israel where an arab was prosecuted for lying about being jewish to obtain sex. we dont live in israel and israeli law is not based on british common law principles. there is no "rape by deception" suit or cause of action for merely lying about yourself to obtain sex in the US, and if one were to arise i have to believe it would be analogous to the elements of fraud in which youd have to have some "Reasonable right to rely" on the persons representations, but thats just speculation

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It is a biological function. Like defacation is. Which is why The Pink Pill places zero value on the male collective's "sexuality" when it comes to the topic of female validation.

Toss them in jail, they fuck a cellmate. Leave them alone too long on a farm and the sheep are never the same. We've all heard of the coma patients and the elderly getting raped and it's not even that rare.

Desperate men use bodies like a mastubatory device so it means literally nothing that "ugly girls can sex". Yes, they can just like a toilet gets used for shit. No more, no less which is why it's so annoying how much bullshit gets spread about the lives of conventionally unattractive women.

The existence of men with standards and dignity do not negate the collective's reputation for primitive proclivities. Because so many of them are exactly like that.

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It would be an absolutely fruitless endeavor for me to do any of that stuff.

Then stop engaging me or mentioning me if the result is annoying laziness and “throwing up your hands”

I'll give you just one example of which there are dozens:

Dozens of projections and misunderstandings on your part but sure.

Remember the whole convo we had when you said you'd let Jeff Bezos seduce you?

Sure. If I remember or have time I’ll come back and link it for posterity so full context is given.

And my whole argument was "Why the fuck would Jeff Bezos would ever want or need to seduce you?".

Yes, which wasn’t my point.

My point was him in 1998, if I saw at a rooftop bar I wouldn’t entertain, but if I saw a man who looked like how he does now, I would entertain them.

I explained that thoroughly.

My point was he got better looking to me which means I would be more open to engaging him arousingly if the vibes hit it off.

And you retorted something to the extent "I don't think I actually have a chance with him... I was just referencing his baldness and body and why you so triggered and how much is Bezos paying you anyway?"

Because you literally insulted me for explaining my arousal triggers. “Why would bezos want YOU????”

If I recall I wasn’t even replying to you or making it about Jeff the man, but rather theoretical changes in attraction.

You took it upon yourself, to once again, incorrectly interject your own irrelevant solipsism and triggers onto a casual point I was making.

This is is what I'm talking about. You say bizarre things that on deeper examination make no sense, and then get defensive about it and shut down.

Nah. You attack ppl when you have no conception of what they mean and bizarrely misinterpret everything and then pump fake as if you’re an above it all troll when really your posts read as deeply insecure, myopic, reactive, and insularly-minded.

Nothing I said in that thread, or this one, or any single thing on this sub has been “bizarre” or not following a holistic throughline.

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My point was him in 1998, if I saw at a rooftop bar I wouldn’t entertain, but if I saw a man who looked like how he does now, I would entertain them. I explained that thoroughly. My point was he got better looking to me which means I would be more open to engaging him arousingly if the vibes hit it off.

This is actually a perfect example of what I was talking about. I remember that thread too. You gave solid concrete advice to guys about women's sexual attraction.

1998 Jeff: balding, skinny dweeb (I LOVE that word of yours haha!) - totes would not bang (aka "red light")

2021 Jeff:embraced the baldness by shaving it off completely, decent body thanks to lifting and less of a dweeb - MIGHT bang if he approached me with good game, a good vibe and didn't fuck up (aka "yellow light")

This is the same man and you're not comparing two different men - you've said what changes ONE man needs to make to change from red to yellow (you even explained the traffic light system analogy!).

It's all there crystal clear in black and white - what more could these clueless men want? There's not even any "nuance" that spergs don't understand to break down here FFS!

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It means you aren't hitting the alpha cues. See my first post on the alpha / beta dichotomy on its definition. Then you need to understand that women experience arousal cues in a different way to men. I talk about this very briefly in Chapter 2;

The way women feel arousal (alpha) cues are not the same way men would feel it because arousal cues for men are all physical but arousal cues for women have a strong psychological element. Women will talk about their one night stands in the frame of how they were “vibing”, “hitting it off” and "feeling chemistry". That’s her feelings generated from the alpha cues she picked up on. The “vibing” and “chemistry” is completely happening on her end. Never in the history of mankind, since Grug was living in the cave, has a man ever talked about his one night stand in terms of “vibing” with a girl. Even Grug was telling the boys he met some girl-slur from the other cave and the funky caveman moves he got to do before he bailed out of there. It’s why the pump and dump shocks a woman after vibing with him the whole night.

Women are clueless dude. I was a very good looking dude in my early 20's and I sometimes had this comment thrown at me where some girl felt we were vibing or that we had good chemistry. It was bullshit and no guy ever knows what the fuck they are talking about. I was just a good looking dude and they were in the mood to bone.

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