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I never really believed the whole Reddit tier

"Biggest slayer I know is 5'3 fat ugly but dates models because he has an AMAZING PERSONALITY!!11! He's funny and kind and treats Women like people!"

(Which isn't to say this is impossible. Just never seen it, anymore than I've seen a 20 year old man dating a 60 year old Woman. I'm sure you could find at least one example.)

Too many life experiences with enough Women and Men and I've literally never seen this in my entire life the way Reddit describes. The biggest slayers I knew were tall, attractive, and very good looking at least.

Now I do know short guys who do pretty well for themselves (None are shorter than 5'5), and it really IS their personality that does it for them, but not in the way Reddit thinks. They do well, but they are not by any means slaying, which in my opinion means effortless success. These guys still have to try hard as fuck but they do fuck super hot women and heres why.

These guys are straight up the most Toxically Masculine, boisterous, arrogant, borderline psychos who could fuck people up. They are not even remotely nice people, they are actually misogynistic, no they are not caring, they are not good listeners, and you could make the case a lot of these guys are just thugs. But it fucking works for them.

My analysis is because they are lacking in pure physical Masculine presence they have to make up for it with pure Masculine energy, and it just so happens being toxic about it is an easy short cut.

Personally knew a guy who was 5'6 date absolute stunners. Absurdly beautiful Women who were smart too. Probably one of the most psycho people I ever met. He was cool if he liked you but if you told me he ended up in jail one day, would not bat an eye.

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Just World fallacy here. Many women who end up with abusive or neglectful guys are just too meek to stand up for themselves and get rid of the dirtbag.

There's this older family that lives down the street from me; husband and wife, had two daughters who have since moved away. The wife works a decent job, takes care of the house, raised the girls pretty much by herself, and judging by how she looks now must've been a Stacy when she met this guy ~25 years ago. Her husband is kinda fat and spends his days either drinking and smoking pot in the garage, or driving an ATV in circles in their back yard. The police have been called to domestic disturbances there a few times and he's been kicked out about twice as many times, but each time he somehow manages to crawl his way back to status quo. It seems like what happened is she fell for this guy in his youth when he was less fat and she didn't have any responsibilities either, and he just never grew up. He is fun to be around in small doses, which is why I think this is what happened. It seems like she got halo-effected and then sunk cost fallacy'd, and now that she's a strong enough person to get rid of him for good, he's the best she can get.

I don't care if two assholes end up together and mistreat each other. But shit like I described above bothers me.

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*benevolently sexist

And I have some questions for methodology.

So we have two profiles:

Mark is a potential romantic partner [Mark is a male colleague of yours at work]. He firmly believes that people cannot be truly happy in life without being romantically involved with a member of the other sex. He feels that, no matter how accomplished he is, he is not truly complete as a person without the love of a woman. He thinks that a woman should be set on pedestal by her man. He is convinced that in general women are more pure than men and they tend to have a superior moral sensibility. Mark thinks that women should be cherished and protected by men. In case of a disaster or emergency situation, he thinks that women should be helped before men

Mark is a potential romantic partner [Mark is a male colleague of yours at work]. He firmly believes that people can be truly happy in life without being romantically involved with a member of the other sex. He feels that he can be truly complete as a person without the love of a woman, especially if he is personally accomplished. He doesn't think that a woman should be set on pedestal by her man. He is convinced that neither sex is superior with respect to purity or moral sensibility. He thinks that women should not necessarily be cherished or protected by men. In case of a disaster or emergency situation, he thinks that a person's sex should not be a factor determining who is helped first.

From the description of profile with BS one can imagine that Mark will treat his partner with care and love. From the second description you can't make the same conclusion, you don't have any info about the way he'd be as a partner besides him being totally non-sexist.

I'd be interested to see the results for a bit different profiles, where each had cons and pros of BS or a lack of BS.

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Here are my subjective definitions:

giga chad

Hypermasculine facial features (Think Jason Momoa). Must be at least 6'2". In real life most women would probably not find this type attractive except for a small niche.

chad

Very attractive but has softer, but still very masculine facial features. Must be at least 6'. Has the broadest appeal of all 3.

chad-lite

Softer and less masculine features but still pretty masculine. May or may not overlap a bit with the soft-boy look. Almost certainly more broad appeal than gigachad. Must be at least 5'8".

what would be the difference in hierarchy?

Difference in hierarchy for me has always been % of women that find you initially attractive (which makes gigachads a bit of an outlier category, and so I would not factor them in).

So it would be (completely arbitrary numbers but as an example):

Chads: at least 30% of women find them initially attractive.
Chad-lites: between 6 and 29% of women find them initially attractive.
Average guys: between 2 and 5% of women find them initially attractive.
Below average guys: between 0 and 1% of women find them initially attractive.

This looks based hierarchy works because women will claim high variability in physical attractiveness even among men that we would consider "conventionally attractive".

also if you offer money (good job) that would not make you a beta?

Alfa-Bux was what TRP would probably call it, aka the gold standard (hot and rich).

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Q4M: what's your opinion on the key and lock analogy? You know, the one that compares a male slut to a master key, and a female slut to a lock that gets opened by any key, so it's a shitty lock.

I've always found it silly if it's used to justify why it's okay for men to sleep around and at the same time only want to date women who don't. Since difficulty in doing something isn't something that implies any advantage IMO.

For example, if a woman is naturally kind and it doesn't take her any effort to be sweet to me, I won't see that as worse than if she were someone who has to have a lot of self-restraint in order to be nice.

But, at the same time, I do think it is a valid analogy if it's specifically used to illustrate how women being sluts is nothing to be particularly proud of. It's like being proud of being obese.

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So last night I asked out this really cute coworker of mine for lunch today (Sunday), she readily agreed saying that she doesn't have any plans and it would be fun. But then a coworker heard us talking and he was giving us funny looks. For the rest of the shift (1.5 hrs) she avoided eye contact. I wasn't getting a good feeling about it and I was dreading that she'd cancel.

Woke up to the text from her saying that she just realised that she has other plans so has to cancel the lunch. There was no offer to reschedule.

It's a part time job at a nightclub that we do 1-2 shifts a week along with studying, so it's not like she's jeopardising her career by dating in the workplace.

I have been trying to get a girlfriend for 1 year and have done everything within my powers. Honestly, it sucks so much when you can neither quit nor succeed. It's just torture on loop when a ray of hope is shown and then taken away. All I am left with is a feeling "Oh so you thought you were good enough for this? Lol, no."

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If I had stayed in the relationship I first had sex in I would be in a DB because I did not enjoy losing my virginity. It hurt, it was not good. I didn't want to do it anymore afterwards and my bf broke up with me. Afterwards I had different partners. I learned how to lead in the bedroom and how I like being touched and what I didn't like. I learned to set boundaries.

I am insanely grateful for my now-bf. Especially because of the experiences I made before in my life. You guys can hate all you want on promiscuity but for me it was the right choice. My learning style is experiencing. I need to be involved in something to learn from it. If I wouldn't have the past I have now I would deal with major FOMO.

It's just how I am. Different people are different. And that's perfectly fine. If you wanna stay a virgin for marriage, do that. If you want a Low-N count partner find one. No need to shame others for the way they want to live their lives, as long as you don't hurt anyone in the process. Just don't be asshole. It's so easy.

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I can agree with all of this. If you feel promiscuity helped you on the path you are on, then that was the right decision for you.

I think the important thing is to be understanding of other's choices and life experiences and show empathy, whilst not compromising on your own.

What I find strange is that women ask for no judgement on their past, cause everyone makes mistakes (so do men) and I totally understand that. Like if she had an abusive relationship, that's not her fault, and so on.

But like, if a guy, let's say cause of life circumstances, his personality, events in his life, just bad luck, managed to have no relationship experience of sex experience by the time he's a certain age, this makes most women write him off as a viable partner. Women think this is an okay thing to do. It's like "I don't want to teach him. I don't want to be a practice girlfriend." They make all these conclusions about how he'd be a bad partner.

How is this any different to guys making conclusions that women will automatically cheat or be non-faithful just because they've had many past partners?

isn't this ultimately the same thing?

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It doesn’t. But again in your example you said “let’s say cause of life circumstances, his personality, events in life, just bad luck, managed to have no relationship experience or sex by a certain time this makes most women write him off as a viable partner”

It’s not the fact this specific example guy is having no success because he’s a virgin it’s because you said his life circumstances, personality and bad luck which is causing him to be unattractive not the fact that he’s a virgin

Women don’t care about a man being a virgin UNLESS it’s clear he’s a virgin because of things like personality and life circumstances ie: he’s a virgin because he’s strange or rude or a jerk or just odd combined with perhaps a dead end job or weed addiction (just examples of life circumstances that are unattractive to some )

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Your straying from your example now.

I knew a guy we were talking and flirting for ages he was a short Egyptian guy not my normal type at all but I was into him cause he was funny and we finally got together, he was a virgin. We didn’t end up having sex, we did everything but because he is religious and somehow in his mind doing everything but didn’t count lol. But he certainly could have and I was willing. That certainly made me stop investing time into talking with him on that level but we are still friends and he’s still a virgin by choice which is cool and he will be until he’s married.

Edit to add: morale of story is if you are a virgin and you have a great personality if it’s not by choice it’s probably actually you and not that girls don’t like virgins- girls might just not like you for some reason. Figure out why - and no it’s not your virginity, and do your best to work on that and hopefully you have better results

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Great that you know what you want! Now gotta make yourself the version of yourself that will be able to handle a partner who ticks all those boxes.

Marriage oriented- have you got savings aside for the wedding? Have you developed the communication skills to keep your marriage healthy especially in times of stress?

Lots of children- can you support a family of 3 right now without her help? She could experience a high risk pregnancy and need to be on bed rest and not able to work. Then she will need to raise the kid’s. Do you have enough income to cover rent/ mortgage + All the extras?

motherly qualities - have you considered how you would like to parent since child rearing is important to you? Are you prepared to help with children and also go to work exhausted?

Kindness- I hope you are also kind and have learned how to listen so that you can be kind in thoughtful and relevant ways for her

Opinions but not argumentative- I agree this is a good one, me and my prtner have never had a proper fight. We have disagreed a few times but always respectfully. Ensure you have the communication skills for this because it just takes a moment of weakness for one person to say something mean to escalate a situation. Make sure you don’t be that person and that you don’t bite if she ever does

gets along wel with family - you should try to work on getting along well with your own family first it will help her fall in love when she sees you guys having healthy interactions and good communication skills. She may think your family relationships will be similar to the relationships you have with your future family (children)

Lots to keep you busy before you meet her

-hope you haven’t taken this comment in a bad way 😁

Interests - keep trying new things now! You might meet her eventually from a social setting or from friends of friends in social settings

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Marriage oriented- have you got savings aside for the wedding? Have you developed the communication skills to keep your marriage healthy especially in times of stress?

I mean, I have savings. Not specifically for a wedding, but I do have savings. I assume she or her family would have some too.

Communication skills? Eh, mine aren't the best. I can be awkward and weird.

Lots of children- can you support a family of 3 right now without her help? She could experience a high risk pregnancy and need to be on bed rest and not able to work. Then she will need to raise the kid’s. Do you have enough income to cover rent/ mortgage + All the extras?

I'm not saying I could 100% support a marriage of 3, but I want her to want that if that makes sense? I want it to be on the table that we can have a big family in the future.

motherly qualities - have you considered how you would like to parent since child rearing is important to you? Are you prepared to help with children and also go to work exhausted?

I think I get along with kids and I'd like to be a good dad. I plan to be more present than my own dad was.

Kindness- I hope you are also kind and have learned how to listen so that you can be kind in thoughtful and relevant ways for her

I can't judge that on myself lol, but I'm not always the nicest person. I do try to be kind when I can though.

Opinions but not argumentative- I agree this is a good one, me and my prtner have never had a proper fight. We have disagreed a few times but always respectfully. Ensure you have the communication skills for this because it just takes a moment of weakness for one person to say something mean to escalate a situation. Make sure you don’t be that person and that you don’t bite if she ever does

Another personality flaw. I do have a tendency to escalate. Another thing I need to work on.

gets along wel with family - you should try to work on getting along well with your own family first it will help her fall in love when she sees you guys having healthy interactions and good communication skills. She may think your family relationships will be similar to the relationships you have with your future family (children)

I'll try to get along well with HER family, definitely. My family lowkey hates me, so that's another story.

-hope you haven’t taken this comment in a bad way 😁

Of course not!! Thanks for your advice, I do appreciate it :)

Interests - keep trying new things now! You might meet her eventually from a social setting or from friends of friends in social settings

Yeah well, its hard to make new interests when you're so busy with work hahaha

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This short story seems to be highlighting fantasy vs. reality, a woman's struggle to understand the total lack of empathy in rapists, and the prominence the concept of rape holds in the average woman's psyche. To elaborate on these topics:

It is pointed out that none of those women actually wanted to be raped; they were merely coming up with weird hookup fantasies (that I imagine were inspired by trashy "romance" novels and maybe repressive or abusive upbringings) which the MC rightfully scoffs at as inaccurate to how things are irl.
The MC's fantasies revolve around humanizing the rapist because she truly cannot comprehend how a rapist can be so callous in what he does to the victim; she even mentions struggling with the concept of committing violence herself even if it's in self-defense. I think there's also an undercurrent of hoping to change a degenerate who chooses to be beyond all positive influence. Hers is a naive perspective indeed here.
It's even harder for the MC to wrap her mind around how rapists dehumanize their victims even when they know them personally, because unlike the rapists she still sees the opposite sex (even the worst of the worst scum-of-the-earth strangers) as human beings and she can humanize them even more easily when she gets to know them as people. It's entirely beyond the scope of her comprehension that someone can brutalize someone else even after having gotten to know that person who clearly is alive and sapient, has loved ones, is human the same as oneself, etc. And on top of that she's shocked how a rapist who's personally familiar with the victim is statistically even more likely to brutalize the victim than an uninvested stranger is.
The fact that all of these women think up rape scenarios with some level of regularity shows how subconsciously aware they are of the extra danger women as a demographic are in of getting raped; it's a sort of copium for them to dream up ways to grapple with that, most especially with the MC fantasizing about deflecting a rapist from harming her by changing his heart.

Granted, I tend to overthink things but that's my 2¢.

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Is inbreeding really a problem in Finland?

Yes, but not in the Habsburg kind of obvious way. Researchers around the world often use our genes to find out more about health conditions, like diabetes and heart diseases. We have a mutation that makes us burn alcohol more efficiently (= develop alcoholism easier), and we have a group of hereditary illnesses that don’t really exist anywhere else in the world.

Interestingly enough, not all Finnish people are inbred in the same way. For example, the difference between Eastern Finnish people and Western Finnish people is quite big, both have had their own isolated populations.

This is a difficult subject for a lot of people in Finland, too, partly because of our history with Germany. But it’s true and there’s no reason to hide it in my opinion. Most of my sources are in Finnish but here’s a rather kind article from Pfizer if you’re interested.

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I think that everything you've said here is pretty much wrong, I don't think it's as simple as ticking off a dark or light allele for each locus and then only people with x/16 light/blue alleles are blue eyed. And now you are all of a sudden assuming that you a breeding with not just a brown eyed person but someone with a large amount of brown / dark alleles when I think we both know that not even a majority of those would have to be brown for someone to have brown eyes. Since those 16 genes are not equally deciding for eye colour. And also earlier you talked about you having one recessive gene for blue eyes, using the very simplified model, then you are switching to a way more detailed model but using your information from your simplified model to justify conclusions in the second one, which I don't think you can do if you want to be scientifically accurate. So instead I ask for a source for your claims, like in my previous comment.

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I didn't say the best, just that it is accurate enough for the type of problem we are trying to solve here. Just like classical mechanics is probably fine for solving a problem regarding how much force a body enacts on the ground beneath it in gravity, even though it isn't the most accurate "best" model.

Edit: and my understanding is that it is mostly decided by two genes, and while 13-14 other genes play a part they are relatively minor. But could be wrong with that. And if you want to use the more complicated model (which I have never seen anyone use to predict the eye colour of offspring, only as a way to look at a populations eye colour and what genes are associated with their eye colour) you would have to have sooooo much more information about your own genes and the population of brown eyed people's genes. Which I don't think you have so it's a bit meaningless to use it.

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I think it depends on the person. If the reason they are fat is food addiction that is very difficult. Because you can't go cold turkey off of food. Not long-term anyway.

It would have the same success rate as telling a gambler that they need to stop their gambling addiction, but that they still have to go play the slots twice a day for just one pull. Do you really think that's going to be successful for the gambler breaking their habit?

Similarly an alcoholic. Alcoholics generally have to wean off slowly to avoid health complications but eventually can never drink again and still live. People who are fat because they are addicted to food have to multiple times a day (or at least once a day) take "a shot" of food.

Whereas it's relatively easy to avoid bars, avoiding weddings, restaurants, family dinners is not as easy to do.

Also being fat is often tied to being low income. High income people have a much easier time losing weight and keeping it off for various reasons, including being able to afford multiple types of plans and professionals until they find one that works, have ready made meals that fit a meal plan and still taste good (rather than the cheap shitty tasting Lean Cuisines a lower income person has to rely on).

I think additionally people aren't cognizant of how much weight some people do lose. A 300 lb woman who loses 50 lbs due to their discipline and good choices will still be seen as incredibly fat by most, and judged for eating a cheeseburger even if it's the one "cheat" meal she's had in months.

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Data suggests that if you lose weight and keep it off for a few years, you will typically stay lean. B

Less than 5% of people who lose significant weight can keep it off for more than five years.

I was a really fat kid (over 100 lbs in the 1st grade). I know what it takes to get at least relatively lean. I spent more time at the athletic center than the library my 1st year of university. I got into really good shape -- and got put on academic probation. I kept most of it off for six or seven years. By the time I was 30 I was up to 280lbs. I dedicated six months to working out and got back into decent shape. With law school and trying to start a career, I was fat again within four years. By the time I was in my early 40 I was up to 320lbs. This time it took nine months of prioritizing working out to get back to 280lbs (a much more muscular 280). I wasn't thin but I could run five miles, do 55 pushups, and bench press 300lbs. I met my second wife and had two more kids. Work became my number one priority and pretty soon I was 52 years old 340lbs and divorced. I was never sedentary but I could no longer amp up my exercise regime enough to lose weight. I had diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart arrhythmia. My only option was weight loss surgery (and heart surgery). After weight loss surgery I got down to 215lbs (not bad for someone who's 6'4"). I was able to workout out until my heart condition sidelined me again. I gained back 25 pounds and stabilized at 240lbs. I had a heart operation last year and have been cleared to work out again. I'm trying to ramp up my training again.

I'm no stranger to hard work -- but I have to say that getting lean is the hardest thing. To achieve temporary success I've had to put lots of other priorities on hold.

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Sure, some of those things contributing to your lack of success may be out of your control.

Its not that its solely about gender. The argument is more that whatever flaws or undesirable traits you possess that cause you to struggle sexually/romantically either would be far less of a hindrance or might not even matter at all if you were a woman.

A couple of examples:

being shy/introverted/high inhibition hurts a guys options/desirability more than a woman's
being autistic or neurodivergent hurts a guys options more than a woman's
height impacts a guys options more than a woman's
poor career prospects hurts a guys options more than a woman's
beging sexually inexperienced hurts a guys options more than a woman's
living with your parents hurts a guys options more than a woman's
trying to date online is harder for a guy than a woman
being out of shape hurts a guy's options more than a woman's
women don't have to worry about losing their hair
women don't have to worry about the look and dimensions of their genitals as much as a man does

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Aren't men and women about equal portions of the population? Unless the LGBT+ community is growing very rapidly, one non-lonely woman equals about one non-lonely man.

Not necessarily. It's been shown that many women will rather share high status men than settle for lower status ones. Or if you want a more concrete example, I knew typical "alpha Chads" in college who had a new girlfriend every month, while other guys never had one at all. Plus you have countless accounts of women themselves talking about their experiences with online dating, or stating that they always have guys available and ready for a date or booty call. Average men cannot claim the same thing, and the very mindset is alien to them. I'm not trying to "take away" anything, it's the reality as far as I and others can tell.

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Then you're not listening.

Just because a man might offer me sex doesn't mean I'm not lonely. Hell, stats also show that your Chad friend probably leaves many of his girls without orgasms. So no, I don't take easy sex from slutty men, and it wouldn't alleviate loneliness if I did. I was lonely for years before I met my husband, and that is reality for teen girls no matter no matter how many asshole frat boys or really unfit matches might have been available. Here's a secret: a lot of lonely men have unfit matches available to them as well. Maybe not for casual sex, but what does that have to do with loneliness? Isn't there nothing lonelier than using someone else's body to jerk off like they aren't even there?

Talk to your sister. Talk to your mother. I really hope someone listens better to any daughters or nieces you may have, because they WILL get lonely and feel rejected. That is reality, as far as they will be able to tell you.

It's been shown that many women will rather share high status men than settle for lower status ones.

Lol what? Shown where? My husband has never made over 50k a year, and he's a very normal guy. Most importantly, I will absolutely not share him.

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I don't feel bad when women complain about being excluded from male spaces or groups. Spaces that are exclusive to women are seen as important for women to be amongst other women, but for some reason men's spaces have the burden of having to integrate women, as if it's not important for men to be amongst other men.

An example I'm referring to is this one girl that tried to join a chess group that consisted exclusively of men. Even though the group isn't officially a group for men, it is defacto for men and by men. Anyways, she claimed that she felt excluded and brushed off because the guys wouldn't give her tips and advice like they did to the other men. Frankly, it's because she was intruding. If you want to play chess, go find or start a women's chess group. If women don't play chess because they're too busy gossiping and using social media, that's not our problem.

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That's not what I'm asking you though, I'm saying if he accepts the virgin girl and rejects the other (he can only accept one), does that make him a hypocrite? He's not allowed to value something even if he doesn't have it himself? Like you can't even take it into account when weighing up options?

Okay answer this scenario:

Another scenario:

Let's say there's a chubby girl. She's fat. Now this girl browses all day pictures on the internet of male models, hunky men who are fit, then, athletic, so on. This is the type of guy that sexually excites her the most. She's not interested in fat guys, she doesn't feel sexual attraction towards them, even though she is fat herself.

Now one day, two guys ask her out. One of them is a fit male model who happens to have a chubby girl fetish. He finds her attractive, she finds him attractive. The other guy who asks her out is a fat guy who she does not remotely find attractive.

To not be an unethical hypocrite, should she reject the fit guy and accept the fat guy?

If she rejects the fat guy and accepts the fit guy's offer of a date, does that make her an unethical hypocrite?

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I'll play Devil's Advocate. I have sisters. I get it. I make every accommodation possible. I'll cross the street at night to make way for you. I'll stand as far away and within your FOV if we're the only people on the subway platform. During the pandemic, I'd take off my hat and pull down my mask and even have a goofball routine to make you feel safe. Like, "oh boy I can't breathe in this thing" in a Ned Flanders voice.

That being said, you still have to perform safety maneuvers with tact. I've been offended when things done for safety are done poorly.

I had a coworker I was driving home decide to sit in the backseat like I was her fucking Uber driver. A better course would have been to sit passenger and facetime a friend. Tell her who she's with (me) and just make conversation about the night. Less awkward for me.

Another one is if I'm talking to you, no need to constantly name drop your boyfriend. I caught it the first time, and you're just insulting my intelligence by bringing him up over and over. I'm not flirting at that point, and the fact you keep bringing him up means I'm already thinking how I'm gonna close the convo and save both of us face.

Some general tips go a long way.

Don't make a concerned face when you realize that you have to share an elevator. Pat your pockets and make it look like you have to do something at that floor and you'll just take the next one.

Don't look directly at a guy before you cross the street. Notice him but look at your phone, and make it look like Maps is telling you to cross the street.

Obviously, if you feel credible threat. All social graces are out the window. Bring out the pepper gel or the blicky at that point.

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I think the main difference between all the stuff you mentioned and false accusations is that statistically, men are either more likely or equally as likely to be victims, and so to us, it doesn't make sense when women in general act disproportionally afraid of a danger that affects us as well, often we are in more danger, so seeing people who are safer then us act more afraid, just seems really weird

I'll be honest I never took woman's fear of violence from strangers too seriously because statistically, men are so much much more likely to be the victims of a random violent crime, I believe about 79% of homicide victims are men, and men are 2-3 times more likely to be physically assaulted by a stranger, and the rape stats are practically identical when you count "made to penetrate" as rape. Same thing with gender symmetry and domestic violence.

when you look at false accusations

11% of men, compared to 6% of women — reported being falsely accused of domestic violence, child abuse, sexual assault, or other forms of abuse

(Women are however disproportionally victims of violence from close friends and family, and that is some scary shit)

and the biggest thing is that men know that a false accusation can easily ruin their life, and they will in all likelihood not gonna get any support from general society, there is a very real possibility of even their closest friends and family abandoning them for something they did not do

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young men need to learn discipline and work ethic and have a good outlet for their aggression, and competitive instincts. More men need to be put into contact sports, martial arts training, learn how to shoot, weapons training, and study practical competence skills

if young men are taught discipline, have an outlet for there aggression, and are given a safe environment for physical roughhousing and competition there is no need to go out and pick fights with strangers

I am a perfect example of this, before I started playing football and boxing I would go out and get into street fights, this was very dangerous and I could have gotten myself killed. Then I started playing football and boxing, building discipline, and sparring(roughhousing) I no longer had any to go out and pick fights with strangers

fighting isn't necessarily inherently bad, in fact, it can be a very valuable experience for interpersonal bonding and destressing, the problem with street fights is that people who street fight have no sense of discipline or "honor", they just want to beat the shit out of you. my friends and I used to fight and roughhouse together all the time, but we did it in a fair way and got closer to each other through it. It wasn't until after I switched schools and no longer had that, I started picking fights with strangers

learning how to fight, wrestle, and physically compete in a relatively fair environment is necessary part of manhood, without that guys turn into shitty jackass who pick fights with strangers to fuel there egos

there is a huge difference between basic bro roughhousing and a stranger who could have weapon on him, or will call in multiple guys to jump you

TLDR: watch fight club

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I've looked up their source. So in 12 months in 2010 sample there were slightly more men, but the lifetime prevalence was still much higher among women. For rape it's 18.3% for women and 6.2% for men if we combine both rape and made to penetrate. If I'm not mistaken so far 2010 report was the only one with such numbers.

2015 data - rape - 1.2% for women, 0.7% for men (only made to penetrate, no data for rape).

2017 data - rape - 2.3% women, 1.6% - men (again rape + made to penetrate) in 12 months.

Also from the same reports you can see that women more often become the victims of stalking:

Nearly 1 in 6 women (16.0%, or 19.1 million) in the U.S. were victims of stalking at some point in their lifetime, during which she felt very fearful or believed that she or someone close to her would be harmed or killed (Figure 5, Table 5). An estimated 3.7% (about 4.5 million) of U.S. women were victims of stalking in the 12 months preceding the survey.

About 1 in 17 (5.8% or 6.4 million) men in the U.S. were victims of stalking at some point in their lifetime, during which he felt very fearful or believed that he or someone close to him would be harmed or killed (Figure 5, Table 6). An estimated 1.9% (2.1 million) of U.S. men were victims of stalking in the 12 months preceding the survey.

Also from a report "sexual violence experienced during youth":

Girls: Approximately 8% or an estimated 10 million experienced rape or attempted rape

Boys: 0.7% or an estimated 791,000 experienced either rape or attempted rape. Almost 2% or an estimated 2 million were either made to penetrate someone or there was an attempt to make them penetrate someone.

So overall women have higher victimization rates in terms of sexual violence and the difference is even greater for kids. So it makes sense why women are more wary of men in this regard than vice versa.

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I'm curious why there's such a drastic deviation in numbers as well and tbh I have no idea what the reasons can be.

Yes, I believe that male victims are heavily underreported (female victims too, but to a lesser extent), but the reports we're discussing are based on surveys, so the numbers are higher than official and probably closer to reality. The major caveat I see in the method is that among institutionalized men and women victimization rates must be significantly higher, but they aren't the part of the survey.

The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS) is an ongoing, nationally representative random-digit-dial (RDD) telephone survey of adults in the United States using a dualframe approach that includes both landline and cell phones. Noninstitutionalized, English- and/or Spanish-speaking adult women and men (18 years and older) are surveyed. For this study, the survey was administered twice between September 2016 and May 2017 (i.e., the 2016/2017 period). A total of 15,152 women and 12,419 men completed the survey. The response rate was 7.6% (American Association for Public Opinion Research [AAPOR] Response Rate 4) and the cooperation rate was 58.6% (AAPOR Cooperation Rate 4).15 More details about the survey instrument and the methods used to collect the 2016/2017 NISVS data can be found in Kresnow et al.1

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anyways there were honestly way too many studies to dig through but here is a great google doc I found that collects the most important evidence for gender symmetry in domestic violence, some studies have men abusing more, while there also just as many that show woman abusing more

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11xWnzqfXEpzX1gigg_-R8HEYNgEPg13Pksk1TfhnfpY/edit

another interesting thing about these studies is that you will find the rates of severe injurious IPV are also roughly equivalent across genders

the main issue with the narrative of injurious rates of domestic violence behind higher is that it is often used to invalidate the experiences of male victims and move the goalposts, someone who believes that women are disproportionally the victims of DV, then you show them evidence of gender symmetry, they will tell you that the male experience is not that bad because woman get injured more, but if you disprove then they will too you it doesn't really matter, because "it shouldn't be a competition on who has it worse" despite the fact that those sorts of people are the ones who do not take male abuse seriously because they don't think it happens

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the idea that women need to fear being attacked on the street never made any sense to me, especially since men are objectively way more likely to be the victims of street violence.

What does the fact that most children are not allowed to walk alone at night, while adults are more at risk to be harmed say about our society?

When you say men are at more risk of being attacked, I assume you are talking about rates of violence committed against men, as opposed to women, being higher? Adults are also much more likely to be harmed in street violence than kids and infants.

Does this mean that all this focus on keeping the little ones at home is unnecessary? I mean hardly any babies are killed/attacked/harmed when outside. The most dangerous place for a young child, according to statistics, is being hurt or murdered by their caregivers in their own home not when outside.

So, according to statistics, women should not fear walking alone after dark, because it’s men that get hurt. We should also send our children outside to roam the neighborhood alone, because statistics say they are usually harmed at home.

See where I’m going with this? The thing about statistics is they only cover actions, not mindsets. Women (and the parents of children ) are aware of the potential of danger and act accordingly. Neither give a fuck about statistically itS only a 0.122% chance of it happening.

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Just to be clear.

Were you sexualized or harassed? Or were you consenting to a relationship of a similarly aged young woman/girl with whom you already had flirtations or romance?

There is a HUGE difference, obviously.

Initiating intimacy is not always sexualizing. Maybe these girls were your friends or girlfriends. Even if it was very casual, maybe you were sexualized and still not objectified. Girls are sometimes respectful to casual lovers. I just want to make a note of the different scenarios.

If you were especially open to sexual things with similarly open girls at an age you now call young, it's not a coincidence. You were a fuckboii then, you are a fuckboii now. That's likely just how you view sex, and you haven't been compelled to change.

If you were actually objectified and harassed in a way that diminished your humanity, it's possible there is some lasting trauma instead of just coincidence. That would be a conversation for a therapist rather than Purple Pill.

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A while back I saw some old photos of my dad. On a boat with a random woman He was really good looking when young and he travelled a lot. He settled down when he was older which is the reason for the big age gap between me and him. All my older female relatives say he was way better looking than I am now and I tend to agree. I know for a fact he had multiple girlfriends before getting married and slept with women, and I mentally shut if it’s ever mentioned.

Whenever I mention my dating woes, he mentally shuts down and has NO understanding or empathy whatsoever. Not even a little bit.

He never taught me how to approach girls or how to hit on women. He says his father never taught him and these things just come naturally. They don’t. He can’t even wrap his head around the concept. He just concludes that there’s something wrong with me and leaves it at that.

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I don’t see sleeping around as a mistake. I think people who enjoy sleeping around should do it. We’ve discussed this before. I’ve told you plenty of times what my views regarding sex and personal choice are. I believe in freedom and personal choices. If a woman wants to fuck 200 guys, I’ll say she should do it, if she really enjoys doing that. People should pursue what makes them happy.

I don’t see a woman who’s slept around as someone who’s evil or bad or even as someone who‘a made a mistake.

But I only get to get married once so I’m picky.

I don’t understand why you fail to understand this about me even though I’ve explained it to you many times. You attribute to me certain attitudes which I simply don’t have.

I wouldn’t even call myself sexually conservative at all. It’s funny how you say I sexually fetishise Asian girls on one hand but also think I’m sexually conservative.

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My view is people can do what they want when it comes to sex and relationships and can also want what they want. Men experience rejection for a million reasons whereas women try to hamster and demonise mens reasons for rejecting them. It’s basically the “I consent, I consent, I don’t” meme.

Like they shame a consensual relationship with an age gap. They shame a consensual relationship where the man isn’t a virgin but the woman is. They shame consensual relationships where it’s interracial and the woman happens to be Asian. They come up with all these slurs to attack the man in these relationships.

But when it comes to double standards that favour women, they say stuff like “sexual dimorphism” to justify it.

It’s like, I have to endure rejection for whatever reason the woman can think of or even no reason. But if I reject a woman for whatever reason, I have to jump through all these hoops to avoid getting labels, and even then I still get labelled?

I saw a woman here earlier saying incels are the only ones who care about N count while saying also she wouldn’t date a virgin.

To me this is the epitome of female solipsism (another TRP concept) and tbh I wouldn’t blame someone for believing in AWALT if they based their opinions on women on what women here say

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Unacceptable: If he has high-n but wants a low-n or virgin or has had a few partners but insists on a virgin gf:

Reasoning: He holds women to a different stand than himself. Whatever reasons he says he wants low-n or a virgin, he believes those reasons don’t apply to him. “Rules for thee, not for me,” is unethical.

Why is this a problem? He’s not enforcing any rules on anyone. He’s merely being selective in who he chooses. It’s no different in a woman choosing a high income guy over a low income guy when faced with two options. I don’t see what’s wrong with having preferences that you don’t have.

I’m not a virgin but if I was offered a choice between two women who were alike in most respects except that one was a virgin and one wasn’t, I’d choose the virgin one.

Does that make me a hypocrite?

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It’s a problem because he holds himself to a different standard than himself. Let’s suggest that he has an n-count of 7 but jas a strict requirement for a virgin girlfriend because he believes a virgin is less likely to cheat (something I’ve seen expressed in PPD), he’s admitting that he’s holding her to strict standards he himself doesn’t abide by. If he would PREFER a virgin girlfriend but will happily date a girl with similar n-count (7 or less), then he’s expressing an acceptable preference.

It’s not in any way the same as income.. historically, men have been household/family providers so having a preference for a man who earns more than you so that one day, when you have children, he’ll be able to support your family while you’re recovering on maternity leave is reasonable.

A woman whose unemployed and doesn’t plan on having children but expects to lock down a 6-figure earner is not reasonable; she’s a gold digger.

Whether you’re a hypocrite or not depends entirely on your reasoning for choosing the virgin.

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Another scenario:

Let's say there's a chubby girl. She's fat. Now this girl browses all day pictures on the internet of male models, hunky men who are fit, then, athletic, so on. This is the type of guy that sexually excites her the most. She's not interested in fat guys, she doesn't feel sexual attraction towards them, even though she is fat herself.

Now one day, two guys ask her out. One of them is a fit male model who happens to have a chubby girl fetish. He finds her attractive, she finds him attractive. The other guy who asks her out is a fat guy who she does not remotely find attractive.

To not be an unethical hypocrite, should she reject the fit guy and accept the fat guy?

If she rejects the fat guy and accepts the fit guy's offer of a date, does that make her an unethical hypocrite?

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Nobody is obliged to enter a relationship you don’t want to enter, just know that certain beliefs are unethical and in your case, demanding a virgin when you yourself have had sex with several people is probably going to be seen as hypocritical.

You can either: accept that people will see it as hypocritical/unethical and do it anyways, not caring what people think, OR you can try to figure out why a woman whose considered your equal is so repulsive.

Men here routinely demand that women justify their preferences..

Simply having preferences isn’t hypocritical, but truthfully your desire for a virgin isn’t even a “preference,” it’s a REQUIREMENT because you’re “unhappy and uncomfortable” with a woman whose had sex before.. but preferences aren’t hypocritical. If I was a gay man with a 3.5 inch (well below average) and would ONLY date men with 7+ inch dicks, I’d be a hypocrite but I’m a woman who doesn’t have a penis so there’s really no equivalency that I’m not measuring up to.

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You're assuming that this is driven by women. Here's an article for you. https://www.today.com/health/reason-why-men-marry-some-women-not-others-t74671

Ninety percent of men who have graduated from college are ready for the next step between ages 26 and 33; this is when they are most likely to consider marriage.

Which is line with what we both said. More people are spending more time in education.

One of the most common mistakes young women make is to assume that because they’re ready for marriage in their early or mid-twenties, the men they date are, as well. But as the above research shows, that’s usually not the case.

And

Many look at time spent as a carefree bachelor as a rite of passage. So for the first few years that they’re on their own, their primary goal is having fun, which translates into dating without any serious thoughts about marriage.

So if you want a younger bride, you know what to do.

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I have a couple of different thoughts.

First, depends on the level of transitioning the transwoman has done. Are we talking fully transitioned (including breast implants, hysterectomy, hormone therapy etc) because if so, I think it should solely depend on the testosterone level. Most serious athletic organizations already had rules based off of testosterone levels for men and women. Biological women usually have significantly less testosterone than biological men, but of course, a woman like Serena Williams will have more testosterone than a woman like me.

If the transwoman's testosterone levels exceed the threshold, they shouldn't be allowed to play. It's the fairest to everyone. A large majority of transwomen on hormone therapy who have fully transitioned will meet these guidelines.

Basically, as long as they are as similar to a biological woman as possible I frankly don't see the harm.

On the converse side, trans men should also have limitations on competing in sports in which women have an advantage, such as gymnastics, dance, tennis etc. They should have low estrogen and high testosterone in order to compete.

The playing fields of all sports should be as fair as possible. Easier said than done of course, it's not easy to have a perfect balance of what to allow and what to not allow. But it's a start.

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The issue has multiple factors.

Surveys are never counting everyone, they take samples which are not always perfectly representative meanwhile in the closed system 10 v 10 we are including everyone.
In our hypothetical 10 scenario we are measuring their counts with perfect accuracy. In real surveys, people forget or miscount their number.
People lie and it has been shown that both men and women lie about this. There was a study that asked men and women their counts once normally snd once after telling them they would be hooked up to a lie detector, what they found was men reported lower #s when they believed they were hooked up to a detector while women reported higher numbers ie women lie down and men lie up.

However from a strictly mathematical perspective, if we could measure everyones count with perfect accuracy the averages for heterosexual men and women should be the same. Gay and bisexual people can definitely skew things however.

What people really care about is the median or the distribution of sex which can absolutely be difficult between men and women.

Like imagine the 10 guy and 10 girls on an island scenario and 1 guy fucks 10 girls while the other men get nothing the average will be (10/10) = 1 for men and (10/10) = 1 for women but the median for men would be 0 while the median for women would be 1.

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Title	Daily Community Chat Megathread
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Date	September 10, 2022 11:00 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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