Weekly Community Chat Megathread

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This weekly thread is designed to be a place for all the funny discussions on PPD. Feel free to post off-topic questions, information, points-of-view, etc......

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Well all stats and studies ever, always say women report more and closer friendships.

And yet two comments down you yourself say there is no Difference in how lonely they feel.

Anyway, because I did actually google it here is what I found:

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://dabblingwithdata.wordpress.com/2019/08/15/do-millennials-have-no-friends/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjMudbIlszvAhWU5OAKHUJ1CZYQFjAcegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1foLQ-0N37qXa8ItqSLklS

As you can see there wasn't any difference between gender. Also apparently people in relationships were the most likely to answer they have no friends. Single people followed but even then there wasnt a category for being "in relationship but not living together" so it might be even lower.

As the article above says, you can't make the connection that millenials are extra friendless from the data above. It could simply be an age thing.

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We are probably trying to make to exact a connection between friendless ness and loneliness tbh, and I probably have done it too. One study is friendless, the second one is loneliness (Yes there has to be a correlation, you don’t really need a study for that.) The original study on friends did say that 27% of the ones who said they were friendless felt they didn’t need friends. I would guess that more men fit that category, friendless and not reporting they were lonely. I could see many men with a girlfriend and no male friends not reporting they were lonely.

I was only responding to your hesitancy to believe a large cohort of young men are friendless. They are. There might not be a direct one to one between sexless, friendless and lonely, but surely there is a correlation. And it’s almost impossible not to believe the combination of both sexless and friendless would result in a whole lot of loneliness

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It could simply be an age thing.

Responding again, because I’ve been thinking, and read the whole article you sent. So yes that COULD be true it’s simply age. Maybe the results of that overly small study just tell us that millennials are going to make friends later, and that when they are older , they too will report more friends. But this flies in the face of everything I have personally observed. People LOSE friends as they get older. Despite the fact that this is pretty obvious to me, you guessed it. STUDIES CONFIRM 🤣

Everything I have observed seems mostly backed up in studies. People generally shift from wider friend groups to smaller ones when they get into serious relationships. People typically continue to lose friends. Most new friends made by people in middle age are through their kids activities, couples groups etc., but they generally have fewer friends than when they were in their early twenties.

Looking at friendlessness as a function of age makes the situation much bleaker in my opinion. Unless we see a huge cultural shift to irl clubs and activities and away from online and social media, it seems we should expect to see a lot MORE people friendless as they age. If we think it’s bad now, it will likely get worse, not better.

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I love you, red, but you’re so wrong on a few different levels:

All women are not created equal. Pickmeshas, by definition, are low value women who cannot get the men they want just be existing (your higher value Stacies and even - to some extent - Beckys do get their pick just by existing). Their behavior is a desperate game
In order to attract the attention of the men that they want, Pickmeshas purposely bury their own interests and imperatives in order to seem like the mythical cool girl. This is a recipe for disaster for anyone who ends up with them - there’s no way someone can live their life pretending to love things they actually dislike, while not doing things they enjoy. There will be a massive explosion and ongoing resentment
Pickmeshas aren’t doing this for one guy alone. No one would give a shit if they did - hell, I applauded anyone (male or female) who actively tries to take an interest in their partner’s interests and is GGG (to quote Dan Savage). But they’re the type that sells out other women with “I’m not like other girls” and shit talks half the population while desperately trying to attract a bf. Any bf, it doesn’t really matter who - because she can’t get one without this facade
Pickmeshas are just female simps. The same disgust you guys feel for them is what we feel for Pickmeshas

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I had the older two competing against each other all the time. Worked pretty good -- other than that time my oldest daughter tried to push her brother out of a second story window.

LMFAO maybe it's different for me b/c i am the only apple of my parents' eyes (or demon idk)... but i am the one my that my parents' friends' kids would get compared to!

I tell my youngest I'll love her the most if she gets into medical school.

omg i hope u accept other outcomes though!! med school is tough. there's a portion of the population who excels with like 4 hours of sleep and i feel like those are the ones who should be most inclined towards medical school (as well as more demanding jobs in general; in fact, i think this small population of people does make up a number of high earning executives in corporations).

i thought about pursuing med school for most of my life thus far, until i really comprehended how loooong it is and how little sleep you have to run on if you want to keep a social life along with it near the end of high school, it's rough. it's really mainly about time management. but if she becomes a doc, good for her!!! guaranteed a more than decent income also lmao.

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OLD is weird because for women, there is not much else to filter men on except looks and whatever other concrete filters are allowed on the platform (I bet age is actually the #1). And for most women who aren't ugly or in very sparsely populated areas (especially if they're young), they almost need to filter out some guys just to have a manageable inbox.

I think the "only 6 feet plus" is a stupidly specific requirement when what most women really want is just a guy who's taller than her in heels. (This didn't matter to me, but it's a thing for a lot of women).

But think of it like employers who get thousands of applications for one job opening. They will often throw out many perfectly good candidates without even really considering them, often based on some pretty arbitrary stuff (e.g. requiring a college degree for a job that 100% does not require a college education) simply because they need some kind of filter to narrow the pool of candidates to something manageable. So they pick some qualification that is better than required largely because there are so many applicants that they can. If there were fewer applicants, they'd gladly take someone good without a college degree.

No, it's not "fair", but if you have 100 people vying for a job, and the real test (the interview) takes a lot of time for each candidate, then you'll narrow it down first according to whatever measure sounds like it would give you a higher chance of fitting your criteria, but still narrows the field substantially.

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I think it doesn't matter in general dating as much as online dating suggests-- its just an easy filter that actually exists in online dating, not the single most profound thing women care about in the universe. The height filter is softer in offline dating, and is often less important than many other filters that cannot be demonstrated or seen online.

That includes many other very "shallow" filters as well, like smell, voice, "vibe", laugh, eye contact, posture, confidence... whatever. A lot of these are super important filters that don't exist in a Tinder profile. Online, women can only filter on traits that are shown online-- they'd lean on filtering based on a lot of other stuff more if they could.

This is why online dating is such a shit-show for most men, BTW. It *only* favors men who look exceptional in photos (and seriously, some people just look doofy in pics even if they're pretty good looking in real life), and who can check the few filter boxes that exist. Other men who would be appealing to many women based on other traits are screwed in OLD... but they can be appealing to women in person.

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Anyone else see this floating around?

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/7027981002

"The Minnesota Supreme Court ruled that a person can’t be found guilty of sexually assaulting someone, who is mentally incapacitated due to intoxication, if that person became intoxicated by voluntarily ingesting drugs or alcohol."

Thoughts?

It was explained that they are simply enforcing how the law currently exists, and if things want to be changed, it will have to be done at a legisilative level.

Personally I think the law as it exists it is too far, but not by much. I think it should be a mitigating/aggravating factor, but the crux of the issue should be if the alleged rapist believed, or had reason to believe, that a person was intoxicated to the point of incapacitation. Like, not just had a few drinks, not just drunk, but likely to the point of where they probably are unable to walk without heavily stumbling or speak without very noticeable slurring of speech.

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We moved in together a year into our relationship, and not only that, we moved to a new city at the same time. Basically he was moving and if I didn't go too we were going to break up. I didn't want to break up, and I was ready for a change anyway, so I applied for grad school in the city he was moving to, got accepted, and went with him.

A friend of ours had a spare room he needed to rent out so for the first few months we lived in his apartment, then once the lease was up all three of us moved into another friend's house. So I was in grad school, living with an SO for the first time, in a new city, far from my family, with two other (male) roommates. It was stressful to say the least.

If I could do it over again I might skip the roommates and get a place just to ourselves, although living with roommates did allow us to save a lot of money while I was in grad school, so it worked out alright I guess. Still, I feel like our life together didn't really start until we got a place that was just ours, and by that point we had been together three years.

Also, this is really stupid, but my family really disapproves of "living in sin," so for the first two years I lied to them about us living together (they knew we moved to the same city but thought we lived in separate places with different roommates). This really hurt my husband and caused a lot of fights and tension which I really regret. I wish I had just had the guts to tell my family up front that we were living together.

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When we were dating for 3 years, his roommate was leaving town, and my roommate was moving out as well. We were already spending 5-6 nights a week at each other’s place, we’d alternate since he lived near his work and I lived near mine, so whoever stayed over had to have a longer commute. We decided to move in together rather than find new roommates. The main issue was to live near his work or mine, we couldn’t compromise and get something in between because there was a huge lake there. So we each wanted to live on our side of the lake... But then he found a house we could afford to rent that had a huge yard and a barn, and I realized I could get a horse if I budgeted things right, so I was sold at that point and we moved in.

The only advice I’d have to myself is to buy a house sooner than we did, we rented for 8 years and didn’t buy until the landlord was selling the place and we had to move out... then we realized we couldn’t even afford rent in the county anymore, and had to buy a place 1.5 hrs away (still cheaper than rent nearby, we would have had to go that far just to rent so we figured might as well buy at that point). We should have bought a house after living together a few years, we probably could have gotten into the real estate market in the county at that point and it would have gone up 200% since. Lol at thinking that 30 min commute wasn’t good when we were first deciding to live together and me wanting to stay in the city, we are probably never going to get a commute less than an hour again. I actually work on the side of the lake he was in originally and we can’t even get anything anywhere near it.

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We moved in together after about 1.5 years of dating. We had both been living at home with parents after college (1 year for me, 2 for him) in order to save money, and I think we both were feeling that it was about time to move out (in general, not just with each other). I especially was having a tough time living at home and was ready to move out regardless of whether he was going to too. I would often spend weekends over at his parents' house. His parents didn't have an issue with it, but it was definitely not an ideal situation. For a while I had been considering moving with a roommate but because my work situation was a bit unstable, my friend ended up finding a place on her own. Both bf and I got more stable jobs around the same time, so we decided to start looking for a place together that would work for both of our commutes. Luckily I had already done a BUNCH of research on apartments, neighborhoods, etc while looking for a place with my friend. Since we were both still living at home there wasn't an urgent need to move ASAP but once we found a place we liked we jumped on it.

I don't really have any regrets about my decision. My partner and I had already experienced sleeping over at each other's places a bunch. When his parents were gone for a few weeks we watched the home and fed the dog together. We had experience traveling together which was a BIG plus because it gave us a good idea of how we get along for extended / stressful periods. Honestly just as it is with roommates, it's really important to make sure you have similar standards of cleanliness (we both came from VERY CLEAN houses), that you know beforehand how you plan on divying up chores, and do a lot of research on the place you plan to move to. Make a list of the things you care about most for your home. I was adamant about having an in-unit washer dryer. We also made a deal that he'd be in charge of dishes and I'd be in charge of laundry. We could help each other at times but those were our respective chores. Luckily both of us love cooking so we take turns or cook together. I'm definitely more of a sticker on cleanliness than him, but if I ask for help he'll do it. It hasn't been all easy but having similar opinions on having people over and tidying up has definitely helped a lot.

We moved in together about half a year before the pandemic hit, so even though it was a slightly longer commute we chose an apartment we REALLY liked, and it worked out in our favor once we ended up there 24/7 for months. We've definitely had our share of fights but even during the pandemic I've always been glad to be locked up with him. It would have sucked if I was living alone. Or worse, with my parents still. Roommate might have been okay, but there's really no one I'd rather spend 24/7 with than him.

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mm not really because kids aren't the goal for everyone 😅and it hasn't been socially acceptable for a long time for parents to talk about real parenting struggles/pressure on relationship due to kids/postpartum mental disorders/"worst" of all, the tiniest tinge of regret, due to being parent-shamed... until now. so people are a lot more honest about it (and kids are honest ab their experiences as well), and it isn't for everyone/every couple. i mean kids & marriage is still the norm..

my (married) aunt and uncle are the only couple i know personally who don't have kids in my parents' gen (b/c my aunt is infertile), but they're going decently about life otherwise. think life would objectively be better if they had more money to do more stuff like travel and etc., but they have practically our entire extended family as a support system in the state as well so it seems alright. they are definitely less stressed than my parents and if they had kids i feeeel like they'd trade back that peace and quiet!! 😃

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Yes, but my goal is to be financially independent by my 40s to where I don't need to work anymore, but can if I want to. That's why I work.

Mothers on average do more than half of the work compared to their baby daddies, even the ones that work full time. I would be the one to have to stay home for at least a few months, if not more if childcare becomes too expensive, plus breastfeed, etc. And the fact that you put work in quotations shows me that you think childrearing is smooth sailing, and I'm glad that's been your experience! But it's not the same for everyone.

Designed to do, yes, but it still puts a huge toll on your body. I don't think I have to go into detail about c-sections, tearing, botched epidurals, painful peeing and sex after birth, post-partrum depression, etc. I give HUGE props to the women who are able to tough it out, but I couldn't handle it.

And no, you can't really travel spontaneously with a child. You have to find arrangements for them, something you can't do on a whim. It's also pretty difficult to retire at 45 when you have to provide for a child.

And at the end of the day, I don't want to be a parent. It really should only come down to that.

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They already can. The University of Washington made that famous video of the fake Obama speech that went around 3 years or so ago demonstrating how very possible it is to create a convincing "deep fake".

Here is the video.

Technology we know of could do that 3 years ago. The technology is only getting better and more difficult to detect.

So we need to be very careful about verifying sources and knowing where the videos we are watching come from. The knowledge that deep fakes can be made relatively easily, and that they are difficult to detect, is one of those grains of salt we need to consider when looking at media.

Some considerations you can make when analyzing this type of thing.

- A recording of a live event is going to be more reliable.

- A video released or hosted by by the person in question (such as the white house) is going to be more reliable.

- Moreover, you should be suspicious of a video released from a source that has never previously been affiliated with the person in question.

We probably won't ever be able to be 100% sure if a video we are watching is faked or not. But we can use critical thinking and due care to take steps to analyze how much weight we should give that evidence.

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It was just such a good scene, what makes it really stand out to me is during that episode you kinda see them play it off as a joke (which is what most series do what anxiety or compulsive disorder) like he's just kinda "weird" or "off". And that's kind of how people treat OCD and depression nowadays, "it's quirky!"

But then this final scene pops off and gets serious and you're like "oh shit" like this isn't just a nervous tick or someone being superstitious, this is a very real. This is a person trapped by their own mind, they know its not logical but they have to do it. It's something that they have to deal with and make conscious efforts to navigate all the time, and he has to the best of his abilities but it's always an uphill battle.

Props for the writers and even more props for Michael J Fox who played it out perfectly.

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If you want a career to that point you have good money, you will have to work most of your 20s [...] It's hard to get all those thing you listed in a row.

yeahh i definitely need to do this and balance it with taking care of myself and a social life and free time. will be extremely difficult

or marry a guy with wealth.

no thanks, too many expectations and i don't want to chase someone just for money 😅

Think l'm going to have to temper my expectations and just suffer the financial strain of a child; some things are more important than money.

that's very nice to hear. you are such a rare type of man on this sub, it's a very good thing to be so family oriented (and i don't think it's an absolute negative to not be, but to hear someone care more about family than making money is rlly heartwarming; i care about my existing family more and want to make money to treat my loved ones as well, i'm just not sure about extending my family and whether i'd be a good/capable/happy parent).

you shouldn't have trouble finding what you're looking for, even if not within your country/race/religion, this is very common all over the world (but you're from the UK? and i'm guessing you should be able to find what you're looking for there anyway, especially after the pandemic).

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that's very nice to hear. you are such a rare type of man on this sub, it's a very good thing to be so family oriented (and i don't think it's an absolute negative to not be, but to hear someone care more about family than making money is rlly heartwarming; i care about my existing family more and want to make money to treat my loved ones as well, i'm just not sure about extending my family and whether i'd be a good/capable/happy parent).

You're a sweetheart and you will be a capable parent. You seem to have your head screwed on. x

you shouldn't have trouble finding what you're looking for, even if not within your country/race/religion, this is very common all over the world (but you're from the UK? and i'm guessing you should be able to find what you're looking for there anyway, especially after the pandemic).

I hope so. It's hard for people to go against the grain today. Wanting to be a dad and a husband is borderline transgressive now. xD

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A married couple both working at low-wage jobs can probably pull off parenthood successfully if they don't go crazy and have a boatload of kids. (Statistics show that very few married families in which at least one person works full-time live in poverty.) Traditionally, having a wife and kids to support often motivated men to bust their asses and earn a decent living for their families.

But that's not what we see going on today, is it? Rather the women forge ahead and have babies on their own, sired by losers who don't stick around or are a drain on their already meager resources instead of being providers. And oftentimes the women and her children live in poverty ever after. Social programs are actually set up to encourage this scenario, and that's a mistake, IMO. We ought to be encouraging stable married parenthood, not single motherhood.

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Jordan Peterson said something interesting about atheism and morality that I agree with. He said that atheists are currently operating on ethics because of the religious foundation society has. You can't just base everything on rationality without a spiritual basis and then expect people to follow ethics.

A psychopath is cold naked self interest and that is very rational without a basis for morality. It is rational to be ruthless for self benefit. So how would a focus on rationality alone not create this mindset?

The Reddit atheists were usually raised religious and are unaware of how their upbringing caused them to view morality. They are operating on a crypto religious basis that doesn't expose how it would be without some kind of foundation.

Here's the video for reference https://youtu.be/wwi9Q9apHGI

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The Reddit atheists were usually raised religious and are unaware of how their upbringing caused them to view morality.

Heh, I come from a long line of atheists, or at least two generations anyway.

I kinda reject your whole hypothesis anyway though. The US in particular is still a very religious country, and the most religious seem to be the least ethical and moral. They're mostly a bunch of horrible self-serving hypocrites who follow this "word of God" only when it suits them and not if it involves them being in any way nice or caring towards other people (now I've never read the Bible but I have read hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy and I'm pretty sure Jesus wanted us to be nice to eachother. Many religious people never seemed to have learned this and in fact use their religion as a shield to defend themselves precisely for being horrible to other people).

The majority of religion is a hideous, capitalist driven scheme made to subjugate and oppress people while getting the higher ups as rich as possible, and it makes it okay for people following those religions to climb all over everyone else to get to the top, kicking them in the face on their way up.

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Even in the article you quoted, you're kind ignored the fact that this "policing" behavior occurred amidst insane amount of conflict.

Look at the video I posted. Chimpanzees have a lot of competitive behavior, they also have a lot of cooperative behavior that is not specifically tied to immediate conflict. The most interesting is that chimps have been known to turn down special treats if their fellow chimp is offered lesser treats.

In the context of evolution, can we separate group well being from survival? I don’t know that much about anthropology, but it seems to me they go hand in hand? Hunting works better as a cooperative effort, so can survival exist without group well being? I’m not saying I know, I’m asking.

I'm talking about specifically religious things like rituals, symbolism, as well as seemingly illogical beliefs and behaviors that may or many not have some rational explanations.

Not really aware of this, but it sounds interesting. I have seen some things on elephant behavior that seems to suggest something like this. Links?

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Elephants also display behaviors to mourn their dead. And I’ve seen videos of them mourn the bones even a year later. That’s what I was referring to.

There is an overlap with ethics and religion, but I’m not sure of a direct connection with ethics and all aspects of religion, like those which seek to explain the unknowable or control the uncontrollable, the sun disappearing in winter or drought. Or in modern times, death. Clearly any one particular religion is delusional to the majority of the world, and not even the ethical standards in religion are universal.

My general point is that I don't know

Who does? Even though I fall very heavily on the side that ethics just evolved because they are good for us all, I am suspicious of anyone who is absolutely, 100% certain that they know much of anything.

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Those atheistic "I love Rick & Morty" redditors have this retarded idea that every human is capable of rejecting religion and coming up with own set of egalitarian moral rules that wouldn't throw the world into chaos. It's completely true that instead we would get a massive influx of psychopaths, criminals and all kind of egoistic people. Religion provides this universal framework to which people can inherently agree too ("I believe in it") without causing any global chaos. And this framework is good given that the societies don't collapse because of it. I'm an atheist but I believe that religion is overall good for the society. Some people argue that morality predates religion (e.g. don't kill your own species is something that even animals follow) but the problem is that our instincts are easily questionable in the context of rationalism (This example of Raskolnikov "Why shouldn't I kill her?"), while religious beliefs operate on a different level.

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It's a subtle distinction. A guy who gets all emotional when bad things happen to him is not sexy -- he's weak. Guys are allowed to get emotional when bad things happen to people guys traditionally protect. For example, I got really emotional when I learned our country was taking babies away from mothers and putting children in cages. I was both incredibly angry and incredibly sad. I ripped my honorable discharge, which I had previously been proud of, off the wall. I worried about what was going to happen to my little granddaughters in Texas who look just like the kids the Trump administration was abusing. I remembered how terrified one of my granddaughters had become when she couldn't find her dad (and he was only in the next room) and I cried. My GF didn't hold that display of emotion against me.

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“I was the girl my ex didn’t want … so I became the girl he couldn’t have”

One woman gave her shallow boyfriend a taste of his own medicine

Eh I'll probably get hate for this but the attitude is kinda offputting. Like its good she lost the weight but she makes it sound like he was some shallow dick and dumped her for being a little chubby and now shes too good for him. She wasn't just a little chubby, she was fucking 300lbs and he stuck with her for 3 years. Doesn't matter the gender if you're that fat it shouldn't be shallow for the other person to not want you especially if you're doing fuck all to remedy the situation.

Of all the traits we can be judged on or deemed unnatractive for, weight is one of the few or only ones that is usually your own fault in the first place and within you power to change yet somehow not wanting to date a fat person is deemed more shallow than rejecting on other traits.

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Ive been flirting more and more with left leaning economic positions. I could even see myself potentially being drawn to socialism/communism. But right now I would theoretically upport social democracy. A base of capitalism but with far more taxpayer funded benefits, like college, healthcare, and perhaps even a guarenteed minimum standard of housing, utilities, food, water and an expanded public transport system that would be free. People would be given enough to survive, but also have incentive to work if they would like luxuries, although yes people would be taxed at a higher rate.

My main stopping block is the effect it would have on the SMP. The more economically left we go, the more the state would replace the need for men to support women financially on an individual level and allow them to leverage this for sex (aka the betabux spectrum). The less women need men financially, the more able they are to prioritize raw SMV as opposed to RMV. Thus making it harder for men who would have been able to leverage their financial status in more right leaning economic systems, and giving men access to a lesser number of viable sexual strategies.

The paradox of more equitable economic systems perpetuating more inequitable sexual marketplaces.

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Correlation is not causation. The article even mentions that.

The conclusion of the article you linked:

“The greater stability of married parents compared to cohabiting parents likely results from a wide range of differences described in this paper—all of which may certainly improve the likelihood of marriage, be expressed through marriage, and even assisted by marriage—but which have little to do with marital status itself. If family stability is the end, getting cohabiting couples to marry is not the right means. Instead, we should foster the ingredients of stability—especially better family planning, more education, and higher incomes. It seems likely that these will turn out to encourage marriage too, since most Americans still want to raise their children within a marital union. But marriage here will be a byproduct of stability, rather than the other way around.”

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They are graduating college at massive rate completely dwarfing men.

The female rates are not "dwarfing" men rates. And women might be getting more degrees, but mostly the worthless ones. It's still mostly men in pretty much any field that actually matters

They are reaching more and more powerful positions because of increased credentials

not really

and what gender inclusivity and diversity ininiatives offer

Yes, and most companies simply consider it a writeoff. It's like: okay, we need to have 4 women on these positions so let's hire extra 2 men to make up for the productivity loss

Technology has also opened the playing field to allow women to stand up to men (who cares about physical strength when you have firearm)

And who cares about firearms when women are scared of their own fucking shadow? Hard to fire a gun when your hands are shaking so hard you can't even take it out of the handbag

Also, the intrinsics which afford women the luxury to infiltrate social groups (they arent seen as threatening) is more valuable in networking and acquiring power

Women are not interested in either of these, if women were interested in power they'd already rule the world a thousand years ago

And lastly, the fact that being a women increases the odds by multiple folds of continuing your lineage (more female ancestors breed)

Oh I wasn't aware this was a competition

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Shitposting aside, I understand the focus on food, Netflix and travelling but I can't understand the obsession women have with this "love to laugh". Not intelligence, not wisdom, not knowledge, not some particular skill, but instead the requirement to be some kind of comedian. I mean, I like to watch some funny stuff, but I would never consider comedy to be my goal. I'd rather have a girl to be able to articulate her thoughts instead of just resorting to jokes or some shallow sarcasm. I wouldn't even consider "being funny" a trait that I would vet for in women. But any time a woman describes someone attractive, then "funny" is one of the top traits she will point out.

It seems to me that women despise any intellectual effort and just resort to the most basic things. Must be why they also love having pets and buying them toys.

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Food is always a very nice gesture. Can't really go wrong with that one.

Grief can be very paralyzing and make it hard to take care of your responsibilities for a while, especially if the deceased is a spouse, a parent or someone else close and you are the person taking care of all the arrangements and admin tasks on top of grieving. So if you're close enough to the person to take little things off their plate (running an errand for them, doing a load of laundry or whatever), if it seems like they need that, that would probably be appreciated.

Other than that, personally I am a person who needs space to process things and doesn't like to talk until I'm ready. So when I was going through it, I appreciated "Thinking of you" type texts and things like that, but I didn't want to feel pressured to respond or like I was obligated to talk about it. Just knowing that people knew what I was going through and were thinking about me helped a lot. But, some people want more than that. I think it's best to just use your judgment based on your knowledge of this person. Are they someone who really needs to talk about their feelings, or are they someone who prefers to deal with things privately? Whichever it is, grief is likely to amplify their tendencies, so take that into consideration when deciding how and how frequently to reach out.

Edit: I'd also add, after the first month or so, if you talk or hang out with them, don't bring it up if they don't. I lost a friend back in November, and I am good friends with her brother and fiance too. My husband and I have regular Zoom game nights with them and a couple other friends. Sometimes one of them will mention her and then we'll all start talking about her. But if she doesn't come up, we just hang out and shoot the shit like we normally would. I think that sense of normalcy can help a lot. The same thing happened when my friend's dad died; sometimes when we hung out it's all she talked about, and sometimes she didn't bring it up at all. I think it's best to follow the grieving person's lead after the initial "thinking of you" phase.

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Its a reference to an actual quote from LBJ, Lyndon B Johnson, 36th President of the US.

If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

-LBJ

LBJ is noteworthy in that he was the Democrat President who forced through the Civil Rights Act and splintered the New Deal Coalition. His actions in passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, angered southern Democrats of the time- known as the Dixiecrats. This move was also the impetus for the Sothern Strategy, where those southern Dixiecrat voters who were angry at the Democratic party passing the civil rights act were welcomed with open arms into the Republican Party. See Strom Thurmond.

There are certainly some quotes from LBJ that make him appear to be a racist. Especially when taken out of context, or the context of his greater life. The truth is, that LBJ evolved over time, and eventually became truly passionate about civil rights. Doing things like famously bringing a black secretary in on his arm into a whites only faculty club- what are they going to do, ask the woman on the arm of the President of the United States to leave? It was a pretty powerful and progressive statement at the time.

This is a post which is modifying the LBJ quote into a criticism of feminism, the citation to "not LBJ" is a nod to the inspiration of the fake quote while also clarifying that LBJ did not say those words exactly.

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That would be absolutely hilarious:

"Hi, Neomarxists! We're a bunch of people you hate and try to silence in any way you can get away with. You did something dumb, and, in protest, we're going to shut up! If you keep doing it, we might wash your car in protest, and possibly give you a foot massage in protest!"

No, TRP is not your personal army.

I will, however, do something for you for free... because it's something I love to do, and that's explain shit so it all makes sense.

The pertinent question is "Why would reddit staff involve themselves in this sort of dramafest?"

Is it because they are secretly kiddy-touchers? Nah. It's because they are slaves to the tribal instinct.

You see, human beings are biologically hardwired to sort themselves in tribes, to trust those they see as members of their own tribe, and hate those they see as members of other tribes. What isn't hardwired is the criteria they use to do the sorting.

This is why adult human beings will come to blows over which group of overpaid adults is going to win a children's game. Hell, I think that you could make a bunch of people act hostile to each other just by giving them red or blue shirts to wear, and having them sit on opposite sides of a large room.

Reddit's staff are members of the "Neomarxist" tribe. Exactly what the Neomarxist creed is, isn't important in this case. The point is, this character they have hired is also a Neomarxist. Therefore, they believe it is innocent of all wrongdoing.

If we were instead discussing a Catholic priest, or a police officer, who was accused of this sort of thing, they would be first in line with the pitchforks and torches, because those are members of the "Tradcon" tribe.

The point isn't any sort of principle. Because neither tribe is organized on principle, they are organized on identity. Us vs Them.

If you look at the two-axis "political compass" model of US politics, you'll notice that one axis names two competing ideas (libertarian vs authoritarian), while the other has abstract names that don't refer to a set of principles at all (right vs left)... and people struggle whenever they try to precisely define them. That's because they are not ideas, they are tribes.

There are only two ways to stop a tribal conflict without wiping out one of the sides:

Individuals can be shaken out of tribal thinking by training them to be fully sentient. This is very, very difficult. Most human beings are not fully sentient, and I suspect the majority lack even the intellectual potential to become so. Nonetheless, if you can make a human see their own tribalism, you can sometimes get them to work against it in cases where it doesn't make sense.
Use tribalism against tribalism. Nothing unites like a common enemy. I trust I need not explain this point.

Of course, there is also the lurking question "Should tribalism be interrupted? Surely we evolved this instinct for a reason?"

Well, should is just a fancy way of saying "I want", but when one becomes aware of one's own tribalism, it becomes possible to notice where it is helping you (by helping you band together with your neighbors in times of crisis), and when it is hurting you (by making you hire someone who is a public relations liability and doesn't bring much to the table).

So what does TRP think of all of this?

Wrong question. TRP is not a movement or crusade, it's a study group. What individual participants think of it is up to them.

So what does Whisper think of all of this?

Whisper thinks Reddit violated the 10th Law of Power. Smart people only make smart decisions when the brain is in charge of the decision-making, which in this case clearly it isn't.

This is why becoming fully sentient is a very important move if you can do it. If and when infantile parts of your brain are running the decision-making, then being smart really doesn't help you all that much. Sometimes you may want to move along with the herd, but you always want that to be subject to a conscious cost-benefit analysis.

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Maybe we should you know, not jump immediately to Nazi conspiracy theories when a corporation does a bad

Thank you for stepping in give me such a pithy example of the exact kind of tribalistic thinking I was talking about.

The moment I said "Neomarxism", you appear to have activated the "oppose enemy tribe" reflex, and gone looking for a source to discredit the idea you disliked, and thus found an excuse to describe it as a "Nazi conspiracy theory".

But the interesting thing to note is that neither "Nazi", nor "conspiracy theory" are synonyms for "incorrect"... they are simply snarl words which describe an opinion as belonging to an "enemy" tribe.

You thought you were saying I was wrong, but actually never bothered to. I suspect this is because you are so lost to the tribal instinct that your brain no longer draws a distinction between "right-wing" and "nazi", and between "right-wing" and "incorrect".

You didn't, of course, bother to ask what I meant by "Neomarxism", because you are not thinking about me as an individual, but as a member of some tribe you perceive as the enemy.

This, of course, is not only irrelevant, but dead wrong. Both your tribes hate me, and both incorrectly identify me as belonging to the other.

And I consider both to be not worth hating, because there is no sentience to hate, just a bundle of reflexes and social programming. The lights are on, but no one is home. The concept of an NPC or philosophical zombie could probably also be used as a relevant metaphor.

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operationally captured

Hadn't heard that phrase used to describe this phenomenon, but I like it. Its meaning is immediately obvious, it's pithy, and it has nice descriptive power.

I am assuming it means the same thing as "regulatory capture", but in a non-governmental context?

It's inconceivable that her background as a politician and activist was not known to HR.

It does seem highly unlikely that some people would get background checks and others wouldn't. Either something like this is not within the scope of reddit's diligence on anyone, or they knew.

If they confine themselves to a very mechanistic records check, it's maaaaybe possible this was missed, since my understanding is that this person does not (yet) have a criminal record related to this.

But I'm also under the impression that this was some sort of large and recent scandal in Britain... which makes it a bit hard to imagine a scenario where they all had no idea.

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Most of the sperm “quality” decline associated with age is actually a decline in the amount (sperm count and semen volume) which can be compensated for with diet and exercise.

The risk of actual sperm quality (mostly measured by motility) as opposed to quantity is greater with variation of diet and drug/alcohol use than with age. Women are likely at more risk of garnering low quality sperm from young guys who party and/or don’t eat well than from normal older men.

The link to greater birth defects in pregnancy by men over 40 is not well established and significantly lower than the same risk in aging women:

Studies suggest that a father's age at the time of conception (paternal age) might pose health risks for a baby. However, this field of research is still relatively small and results have been mixed.

Researchers believe the increased risk of health conditions might be due to random genetic mutations in sperm that occur more commonly in older men than in younger men. Despite the increase in these risks, however, the overall risks remain small and less certain than those associated with maternal age over 40.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/getting-pregnant/expert-answers/paternal-age/faq-20057873

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This is my problem with right wing outrage media. Its all manufactured outrage, and this is an excellent example.

Lets break it down.

This is Brauer College in Warnambool. A small high school (yes, Brauer "college" is a grades 7-12) with an enrollment of 850 students, located in a city in Australia with a population of less than half of Duluth.

Golly gee willikers. They must have done something horrible! Lets see what those dastardly leftists did in their unrelenting assault against WeStErN cIvIlIzAtIoN.

The principal of a Warrnambool secondary school says asking male students to stand "as a symbolic gesture of apology for the behaviours of their gender" at assembly was inappropriate.

Some parents said their children had found the assembly confronting, while others backed the school's attempt to address the topics of sexual harassment and assault with students.

- https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-25/apology-for-handling-of-sexual-assault-topic-at-assembly/13275492

Are we really going to flip out about a poorly executed but good intentioned assembly at a small high school?

First of all, have you reactionaries been to highschool? Because these assembalies, especially in smaller town are generally run by teachers... who while they are trained to be educators are not public speakers or professional presenters. So you have a teacher / principal who want to make a symbolic gesture about sexual assault that they think is powerful. This is not a cause for international outrage.

A small high school with a student body of less than 1,000 people in Australia making a mistake with good intentions during an assembly is not going to bring about the end of western civilization and its not evidence that the left hates men.

Get over yourselves.

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who knows how those poor innocent boys felt about their self image and masculinity.

Except... we do know, so we don't need to catastrophize, or have a moral panic.

Some parents said their children had found the assembly confronting, while others backed the school's attempt to address the topics of sexual harassment and assault with students.

- https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-25/apology-for-handling-of-sexual-assault-topic-at-assembly/13275492

So... some found the assembly confronting. Others supported the message. This isn't a big deal, and many of the parents didn't even see an issue with it.

But if I had to speculate, I can't imagine more than 4-5 students were actually paying attention or not falling asleep during a high school assembly. Unless teenagers suddenly started taking ungraded assemblies a lot more seriously than they did 15 years ago.

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But shit like this happens all over.

The Red Pill basically follows the same philosophy the lead to the 2008 financial crisis. I shall call this the subprime bundle theory of misandry. Like the 2008!

So you have subprime instances like this, that aren't really evidence of anything, and are too small to take into any larger context, and if you actually look at what happened aren't that bad. Not a lot of outrage once you dig in here, right?

So what you do, is you bundle it with a whole bunch of other really tiny things. Maybe some unverified feminist retweeted something with 7 likes, the horror. Or some actress got fired for saying things online that her employer specifically told her not to.

Then you amplify all of them to be catastrophic and bundle them all together. Then you sell it as as evidence of hatred against men because there are so many big things! How could there not be. The size of the bundle also helps, because it takes a decent amount of time to debunk each individual instance. Just like subprime mortgages, even if each individual mortagage is a bad investment, surely the whole batch of subprime mortgages won't be bad, and you will still make money and the economy won't crash... right?

But when you break it down, there still isn't really anything big, or if there is its way more isolated, but amplified by all of the nothing. Its still nothing, and the movement is still just hot air and... so uh... kinda lost my train of thought there. I think the lesson here is that the manosphere... economy?... is going to crash due to a... subprime crisis? Yea. Lets go with that.

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why do you say this? i do agree some women have unrealistic standards when it comes to looks and money but i don't think it's the vast majority at all. i have standards which narrow my dating/marrying pool a lot, but it's not in the looks and money department.

women have specific things they want/like. i think if some rich man just wanted to throw money at me for being beautiful i wouldn't say no but i don't want a rich partner or a provider, i want specific things and i think every woman wants something different. if my partner was smart and wanted to help me grow and gave me a push and we had a home together that would be all i need tbh, i just have to be physically attracted to him in some way and i kind of don't want kids.

do you think it's these specific preferences that narrow most women's pool? i don't think every woman prefers the same thing

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Because otherwise the amounts of violence, war, insurection, rape, and men dropping out of society explodes

This is a little far fetched don't you think? Incels aren't going to rise up anytime soon.

Well then we need to fight back against peoples selfish desire

To be clear, you think the people being selfish in this scenario are the women and not the dudes who are "raping and murdering" because they couldn't figure out how to attract a woman?

It would also lead to better results for women less pump and dumps less abuse etc

I don't think dating "within your league" makes you less likely to be abused. At any rate those women shouldn't be being abused, it's weird that your solution to this problem is for women to sleep with people they don't want to sleep with instead of trying to stop men from being abusive.

As for the pump and dump thing, that's really up to the woman to decide if they would rather get pumped and dumped or settle. Let them make their own choices.

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This is a little far fetched don't you think? Incels aren't going to rise up anytime soon.

It was the historical norm that is one of the biggest reasons poly societies had so many problems.

To be clear, you think the people being selfish in this scenario are the women and not the dudes who are "raping and murdering" because they couldn't figure out how to attract a woman?

One is a direct thing the other is more of an indirect thing similar to how poverty causes crime even if that crime has no financial gain. If we can push against poverty the amount of crime would not be as high as it is.

it's weird that your solution to this problem is for women to sleep with people they don't want to sleep with instead of trying to stop men from being abusive.

You are not going to change abusive people no matter how hard you try and frankly at this point I think women deserve it after how many women I have dealt with who kept repeatedly dating abusive guys almost like they had a fetish for it.

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The winter storm in Texas a few weeks ago was actually kind of a funny experiment in this. The water was out in my building for two weeks. Our property manager opened up a vacant unit in a building that still had water so that people could fill up water jugs and use the shower and bathroom. People were going in and out, hanging out in the empty apartment chatting with strangers, using a shower that had previously been used by God knows who, all of this with no masks in sight. People were packed into grocery stores, Home Depot etc., sometimes standing in line outside and huddling for warmth while they waited to get in. My most covid-paranoid friends who haven't seen anyone but each other for a year called my husband and me and offered to let us stay at their house since they still had water and power.

It was just funny how all the covid security theater went out the window when there was an actual disaster that required immediate attention.

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Actually the best study that I've heard of, is the one involving the 3D "dildo models", in which women were shown the models of various lengths and girths, and asked to select their preference for relationships and hookups. They selected 6.3 length / 4.8 girth for long term partners and 6.4 length / 5.0 girth for hookups.

No measuring was involved, the women just grabbed the dildo of their choice. Any time you ask a women to estimate inches, you will inevitably get estimations in "girl inches".

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/penis-size-study-shows-women-prefer-only-slightly-above-average-long-term-partners-1518503

These women were basically in a position to "build" the penis of their choice, of any size they wanted, and all they chose was 6.3 or 6.4, with very reasonable girth. Also, if the women were thinking in terms of a dildo, rather than a partner, it's worth remembering that with a dildo, the women needs to be able to still be able to grab the base of it, even while it's fully inserted, which means an extra inch or so.

All in all, I'd say it's an encouraging study for men.

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I know its not everything but to say it doesn't matter or that the average woman would be equally as satisfied with 5 or 6 inches as she would with a larger one or anything beyond 5 is a waste is just false. That's why most of the PPD women coincidentally have well endowed partners and why the most common dildo size purchased by women is 7-8 inches and even when researchers had women pick the ideal size from a group of assorted dildos the average size picked was like 6.5

I have also been active on a similar site called girlsaskguys where you can poll the opposite sex and virtually every time penis size comes up most women list around 7 inches as their preference.

And I'm pretty sure there were studies posted here showing that women are much more likely to orgasm through penetration with a large dick.

Lying and saying it doesnt make a difference or 5 or 6 inches is enough prevents the problem from getting solved. If more women were honest about it maybe there would be more effort to develop a surgical method so all men could fall in the ideal range.

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I was clearly being facetious there - I know how vaginas work, I know they swell. But my point is that for most guys, the average is just fine

what was it about the 5 inch guy that your other lovers couldn’t/wouldn’t do?

He had a perverted playfulness that made sex not just hot, but fun. As for the actual mechanics of it, he used his fingers, mouth, thighs, stomach, basically anything he could to engage my clit while we were getting it on

He was one of the few lovers that always kept in mind that women’s pleasure involves the clit, not just the sheer in-out of fucking that works for guys. He found a way to keep it in play at all times

To a lesser extent, he did the same for other erogenous zones, too. Too many men are just focused on getting it in, they forget that the entire sensory experience is so important for women

(And that’s not to say there isn’t room for sex that is 100% focused on him, because there is. That should be part of a healthy bedroom dynamic, too)

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that the average woman would be equally as satisfied with 5 or 6 inches as she would with a larger one or anything beyond 5 is a waste is just false

It's not though, it's entirely true. Anything longer than 5" can be uncomfortable at points, bigger than 6" actively rules out several positions.

why the most common dildo size purchased by women is 7-8 inches

Lovehoney says 6" is their most popular size

And I'm pretty sure there were studies posted here showing that women are much more likely to orgasm through penetration with a large dick.

Most women can't orgasm through penetration at all. If you are in that rare camp then you need a dick that will hit it at the right depth which may mean slightly larger than average. This isn't a concern for the majority of women though since they mostly can't orgasm from penetrative sex.

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You can see this already with men having caught on to women's dual mating strategy and pushing back against it.

That's only because its affecting their ability to get sex, not because of their individual desires for a specific partner. Women select for security and controllability. The ideal man is a personal security guard. He is capable of protecting her from harm but does not/will not harm her himself. When women can't find this man, they try to compromise by getting with an aggressive man and managing his aggression toward her through sex and manipulation while using orbiters as a safety net to retreat to if things go south.

There definitely is a contradiction in that women want someone who is both safe and dangerous, but they will still ultimately try to control their men if they can. Men do the same in a way, but it's mostly limited to selecting for controllable and loyal partners rather than safe and dangerous partners.

Edit: Still, both are possible and probable.

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You are misrepresenting my comments.

I never asserted that women being selectors is mathematically impossible.

I suggested that it is mathematically impossible for all attractive women to land men whom they find attractive because women find a much smaller percentage of men attractive than men find women attractive.

If women only find 5% of men attractive and men find 30% of women attractive, there are six attractive women for every attractive man. So unless those six attractive women agree to share one attractive man, most of them will not land an attractive man.

I also suggested that to the extent women’s selection of men is skewed, they surrender their selection power to the small group men they find attractive.

Assume there are 100 men and 100 women in a room.

If the 100 women find 50 of the men attractive, and the 100 men find 50 of the women attractive each woman will have significant selection power.

But if the 100 women only find 10 of the men attractive, and the 100 men find all 50 of the women attractive, the 10 men whom women find attractive will have almost all of the selection power in the room, and and the women will be chasing those 10 men hard.

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So their woman can raise their kid so that they don't have to

No. So that ONE of them can always be with the baby instead of daycare.

As a woman you sacrifice tons to have a kid

Please.

your body,

Is fine it's meant to give birth. Many celebrities bounce back and are just as attractive after pregnancy.

your earning potential,

Again it's about money.

Previously this meant potentially being trapped in a shit relationship if you had a kid because you had few other options.

It meant having to be grateful and stick with a guy who sacrificed for you? Oh LAWD no!

Whereas if you earn your own money you have the freedom to leave bad relationships as you aren't financially tied to someone.

We just don't see things the same. How can a man willing to spend all his time ensuring you can raise your child going to be so awful?

Women will still be making the sacrifice of their health and body to have kids - earning their own money just evens it out a bit.

I don't think women sacrifice nearly as much as women here try to claim. Plenty of women are basically indistinguishable before vs after pregnancy.

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No. So that ONE of them can always be with the baby instead of daycare.

Just as as it's not him, god forbid he has to spend time with his child.

Is fine it's meant to give birth. Many celebrities bounce back and are just as attractive after pregnancy.

Celebrities have money for surgeries, nutritionists, personal trainers and nannies. And therefore have plenty of time to work extremely hard at putting their body back together and fix with surgery the bits that can't be done naturally. Shall we slice you open from balls to anus , push a melon through the gap, and see how "fine" you think it is?

It meant having to be grateful and stick with a guy who sacrificed for you? Oh LAWD no!

Why should you be grateful to a guy that treats you like shit and uses you as a skivvy/sex doll?

We just don't see things the same. How can a man willing to spend all his time ensuring you can raise your child going to be so awful?

There are SO many ways. Countless stories of men feeling extremely entitled due to this apparent sacrifice. Entitled to their wives body whenever they feel like it, even when it hasn't yet healed from giving birth. The expectation that they're paying for things therefore can ignore their child and treat their wife like a slave. Complete lack of value for the work she would be putting in in terms of childcare and housework and cooking. Just because a man pays money doesn't mean he's worth anything.

I don't think women sacrifice nearly as much as women here try to claim. Plenty of women are basically indistinguishable before vs after pregnancy.

You've obviously never seen a woman's body post birth. Even if they get back to pre baby weight, most women will have saggy skin, a little belly pouch, stretch marks etc. It's easily covered up by clothes and if you're a celebrity by surgery and photoshop.

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Why would you marry someone you don't want to fuck and why is your husband in the wrong for wanting sex with his wife?

That isn't what that's about. I'm very obviously talking about guys who feel entitled to their wife's body even when she doesn't want sex. No one wants sex 24/7 and you cannot expect someone to be up for sex every single time you are. You also cannot have the expectation that you get to have it if the other person doesn't want to.

There are SO many ways. Countless stories of women feeling extremely entitled due to this apparent sacrifice. Entitled to their men's money whenever they feel like it. The expectation that they're raising a kid therefore can ignore their child and treat their husband like a slave. Complete lack of value for the work he would be putting in in terms of actual labor. Just because a woman babysits doesn't mean she's worth anything.

Changing a couple of words doesn't make this argument fit your agenda you know, you've just basically made it no longer make sense.

If that was how giving birth worked for women you'd have almost had a point! Congrats

Most women tear or are cut, often from their vagina to their anus. It is exactly how giving birth works. So why don't you do it, since it's so fine.

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you can't compare celebrities to anyone else. they have access to quite literally everything for their health and looks.

Plenty of women are basically indistinguishable before vs after pregnancy.

sure, on the outside with clothes and a bit of make-up on. it does a lot to put stress on a woman though (and age her up a tad), maybe it's worth it for the kid, but it's a lot more than a man has to do. postpartum (mental) illnesses, pregnancy itself and its risks, all of it is... a lot. you don't feel the same in your body anymore, and idk the stuff i've heard like all your hair and maybe even teeth falling out??? and what happens to your vagina???? please it's so scary, natural as it may be

if i was a man like you, maaaybe i would want a kid a bit more, unless the person i really loved and was attracted to didn't for good reasons. as a woman though, there's a lot more to consider. that's why many modern women put career > family, or at least want to be stable with a decent amount of their OWN money (and a similarly stable spouse) before attempting to have a kid. sometimes i think it would be so nice to have a kid and then i think about pregnancy/childbirth, how i would hate to raise it myself (and that's what would happen if i pick the wrong man, but how would i know if he's the right man? no idea), the climate of the world right now (not the best for bringing kids into, but idk if it ever was), how i don't know if i'd be capable of handling the fact that i can't really mold this kid to be whom i envision with cultural/religious values (something parents often have a hard time accepting), and the biggest/most practical reasons of them all that just makes me want to be on birth control for an indefinite period of time is: lack of money, lack of adulthood independence, and lack of that stable partner.

anyways... cash rules everything around me 😔

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Luckily I have loads on nieces and nephews so my parents never missed out on being grandparents.

i'm an only child (a daughter at that) so there's a lot of pressure and cognitive dissonance in every direction in my head. wanna make them proud etc. etc. but they care more about my career and getting on my feet myself first. idk why i'm stressing about this right now but it makes my head hurt haha b/c i wanna get married/find a life partner quick but then the natural progression.. and i'm not ready/don't know if i will be. but at least both of my parents have siblings, and those siblings have kids, so the genetic line will not be wiped out in any case. cousins will hopefully carry it for the team if anything, though one of my cousins is childfree. it's just stressful.

She said when they were removing the bandages that it was FAR worse pain than childbirth and she was on morphine for the hand operation and nothing for childbirth.

mm thank you for this, i get it now, but then it's not just childbirth itself that scares me, but the lifetime after it. i don't even know how to choose a man for this nor make enough money even for myself and my parents yet lmao it's fine though. might just focus on myself and existing family and go childfree/find a man who wants that, but it feels like both life paths have their pros and cons. there's this subreddit here for it i think, called r/Fencesitter. it's interesting.

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If you can have sex with people you aren't physically attracted to (which is a big part of attraction for a lot of people) why is it such a leap in logic that they can have sex with people they dislike and don't respect?

(From my perspective both aren't things I'd do but it's not hard for me to understand why a person could do one or the other.)

They just want a hole and there are other places to find them.

Yeah, and they're choosing not to go to those other places.

If a person wanted to kill a mouse in their house they have an assortment of ways to do so: snap traps, glue traps, electrical traps, poison bait, or they can even go full Tom & Jerry and use a live hand grenade.

All of them are viable options with pros and cons, and with any decision you way the pros and cons and decide accordingly. They've decided the "relationship" route is their option of choice, for when it comes to getting sex.

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Because happiness. Sex is important but it isn't the only thing in life.

To them sex = happiness or at the very least is a crucial means to their happiness. And they've figured out a way to get sex both free and consistently by tolerating being in a relationship, it's a trade off that they're more than willing to make.

as evidenced by people constantly complaining about their partners.

Then the onus is on the unhappy partner to leave, people complain about shitty situations all the time and still choose not to do anything about them, that's just how people are.

The men aren't going to leave as long as sex is on the table, and as they've stated they're more than willing to bounce when it's not, but until then they'll just stay and complain about it.

Why choose that when there are options that might actually make you happy?

Safety, complacency, accessibility, ignorance, fear, laziness, incentive, indifference, low-self esteem, and a plethora of other reasons of why people stay in less than plesant and optimal situations.

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What do you call a boss that crosses boundaries and brings up how they want to bang you?

Is that an orbiter?

I met a guy on Whisper and he offered me a job and it was legit. But he had a temper and would text me all the time. I didn't really want that behavior in a boss so I left, and then he brought up how we have this connection and we need to stay in each other's lives.

6 months later and I unknowingly was talking to him again on Whisper. He drops my name and I'm like "what the fuck why do you know me?" And then he says he is greedy and wants ALL of me. This guy is 20 years older than me.

I blocked him and then he emailed "you keep running away from me. thats the exact opposite thing you should be doing. your instincts are toward destruction and being miserable"

Tbh I'm scared this guy is gonna find my address.

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Idk. Pizza is some intersection of food that doesn't require a lot of talent to make. There are with ovens that move and cook the pizza so you don't have to time it. His pizza certainly isn't gourmet with special herbs or crust. Just regular pizza and overpriced to try to recoup his investments. Oh I just looked at his website and he had to knock off $5 from each pizza. I wonder if people didn't think $20 was worth it!

And then some people that have an mid life crisis where they feel the strong need to be their own boss.

He's one of the most abrasive people I've ever met. He has such a false bravado. He says when he walks into a room everyone pays attention to him and he makes things happen.

Yet there's a rival pizza place that started the same time as him and he disparages them for being a gimmick despite them being worth millions and he's not turned a profit yet. So apparently he doesn't make everything happen.

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you can absolutely date and socialize with the opposite gender, even be popular, while simultaneously not having sex or stopping before it escalates.. but maybe it depends on your environment. my high school had a number of people who were legit voluntarily abstaining (but didn't voice it out loud, it was just due to religion so people respected it and it didn't hinder making friends and connections, the beauty of diversity), and yet still most were dating and participating in the "talking stage", publicly claiming each other, posting on insta, being beautiful, etc.

i know from personal experience too that it works out. my cousin's going to my high school rn too and she's more than well adjusted (not just socially but academically). i'll use my inner city former school as a model 😃 and putting it off is just about being careful who you trust your body with. prevent stupid decisions, regrets about sex, maintaining standards with your body, excelling in your own life and finding yourself academically and career wise whilst still going to parties, getting high time to time, having friends (ahem DD or leaving early to do self care at home is the standard lmao)... not having sex until you're ready doesn't detract from any of that 😅in the end it depends on how you were raised.

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of course! there's a huge space in between virgin and "slut". i'm just arguing that there's nothing wrong with abstaining if you don't feel ready.

there were a few boys who were attractive at school but there was no one that made me want to pursue for sex or send IOIs, and there was no one who pursued me that i wanted to actually have sex with attractive or not (and i didn't have the time or energy after back to back activities and spending time with friends/family and self care for me to look elsewhere, certainly not at men above high school age/above 18)... because i wanted a relationship for that and at that, one that i knew was going to last after high school which is impossible b/c of college lmao so i gave up on that. otherwise, boys were distracting from my purpose and at that age (even now i'm treading carefully) pretty untrustworthy for anything more than friendship 😅i didn't just want some random boy to leave me confused & contemplating or waste my time crying over relationships when i could just "friendzone" everyone (aka like actually be their friend 😐).

i only started visiting this sub recently but the concept of fuckboys (and avoiding them -- for me this was the "where's my hug?" guys, boys who flirt in the halls, adding me on snapchat and asking for pictures, etc., i genuinely don't care for that) and "pumping and dumping" (but not with that name), for both genders, is a pretty known concept?...

so i felt no rush and i hope no one else feels pressured to! it's a social construct. who caressss except those you potentially want to get involved with.

focus on looking good (!!!!!!) and reveal nothing, no one will shame you anyway ❤️

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People aren't handed high school diplomas just for having a birthday. At least in theory you have to demonstrate competency.

exactly, competency in academics. therefore i deserved my high school diploma!

If you have a car but have never driven any car, I won't view you as a competent driver.

that's different? sure i have a vagina and just because i've never used it sexually that means.... that means i'm not a competent sex-haver. sure. that has nothing to do with voting, maintaining a career, owning property, and graduating high school. i can make good decisions and deserve my rights!!!

blatant virgin shaming just b/c i choose to abstain 😩is this how incels feel

I don't care that you haven't had sex. Adults have sex so I cannot accept you as a competent adult. Sexually you are a child.

adults have sex, but some adults may choose to be abstinent for some years for whatever reasons. that's their choice. or maybe they haven't even had sex (yes, more adult virgins exist! some maybe won't even admit it) because they're religious, haven't found ~the one~, don't want kids, tons of reasons. that doesn't mean that "sexually i'm a child", and even if it did, has nothing to do with my rights...

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Couple of things. First of all, clarity: strictly speaking, "virgin" applies normally to women; applying the term to men is common today but historically anomalous, and non-sexually active men should properly be called "celibate" or something related.

So if we're saying that virginal women shouldn't be able do to any of these things, well - yes, obviously.

Now then. Also obviously, sexual congress should take place only within the confines of traditional marriage, and further obviously, both men and women are marrying far faaaaaar too late nowadays. So, if what is meant by the OP is to say, in effect, that nobody should vote, own property, or a number of other things, without being married, then there's a case to be made there.

Tough to agree about graduating high school, as many important geniuses were essentially virginal weirdos (Newton being the quintessential example).

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Tradcons are stifling and oppressive

No, I'm a barrel of laughs and actually quite fun and socially popular irl.

They believe women should be respected, but in turn women should be worth respecting

Right, this is correct. The fundamental impetus behind most internet tradconnery is a desperate wish to find a woman worth cherishing.

Unfortunately too many autists and other sexual losers don't know how to find this and so they transform sociosexuality into a raft of legalistic rules that appears joyless and unattractive.

the loudest tradcons are pretty much into extreme version of these beliefs

Lettuce be Cereal.

I don't know you from Adam, and consequently, I don't know where your worldview comes from.

But it appears to me that you are in the business of battling illusions, viz., there are very few, vanishingly few, "tradcons" today who hold all the positions that you ascribe to them.

Most internet warriors who voice these positions are either LARPing, trolling (guilty, y'honour), engaging in INTJ-style thought experiments (guilty!), are hyper-autists prone to missing the spirit of the law in favour of the letter (more guilty when I was a lad than now), or a combination of all of the above.

I would encourage you to forget everything you've ever read on the internet about "what tradcons believe" and consider instead these two points:

1) Jesus was the OG feminist. Jesus was the original guy in treating women like human beings with agency, responsibility, and inherent value.

If it sounds absurd, ridiculous, to be discussing questions like whether women are human beings with inherent value, well, that is only because of two thousand years of the Christian worldview, which views women as spiritually equal to men, underpinning Western civilization.

Nobody should be asking themselves what internet tradcons think. The question is, what does Jesus think? And the answer is, Jesus was the guy who said, fuck this, Imma hang out with prostitutes because I like them.

2) The great irony of having this discussion with a woman calling herself NARNIAfox is that I can think of no better depiction of women than what we see in the Narnia chronicles.

Forget about the legalistic internet tradcon BS. You want to see how the 20th-century's finest Christian writer viewed women? I would strongly encourage a read through the Narnia stories, in which girls, and women, are co-equal to men in every question of value, ability, wisdom, moral agency, and so forth. I read through the Narnia series every few years, it's very uplifting.

Not to mention Lewis was hilariously redpilled:

Aravis also had many quarrels (and, I'm afraid even fights) with Cor, but they always made it up again: so that years later, when they were grown up they were so used to quarreling and making it up again that they got married so as to go on doing it more conveniently.

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I'm really confused with your reply, because for some reason you've quoted some parts of the other person's comment.

there are very few, vanishingly few, "tradcons" today who hold all the positions that you ascribe to them

I guess it depends on whether or not you're religious. Should I have been more precise and stated that I was talking about deeply religious radical tradcons? I guess I should. As I've said I have nothing against people who use traditional values for themselves.

Nobody should be asking themselves what internet tradcons think.

Let's make it clear - I'm against beliefs, people are free to believe in whatever spiritual creatures they want as long as they don't harm others, but I don't support Christianity as a religion and when I talk about radical religious folks, I am, well, talking about radical religious folks. Not about what Jesus believe in or whether he ever really was on the Earth.

I would strongly encourage a read through the Narnia stories

Do you think I haven't read the stories and just taken the name because I like how it sounds? Really? One can love books, it doesn't mean they want to share author's beliefs.

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The difference in hours worked also equates to a gap. There is an issue with men refusing to take on caring responsibilities (because they're too selfish? Too idiotic to care for anything? Take your pick). This results in an earnings gap because women have to take on those responsibilities and therefore lose out on experience, advancement, and hours worked.

It's nothing to do with weak will. It's how people are socialised. Men are socialised to be grabby little shits who think they're worth far more than they actually are, and to have arrogance and talk themselves up. Women are socialised to be people pleasers. If they aren't then they're looked down on in the workplace for being bossy or aggressive or domineering despite that being what men are praised for in the workplace. So women can't win in that respect. There should be no allowance for asking for a pay rise or negotiating pay. It should be set and follow strict guidelines, including pay rises continuing if a parent it out of the business on parental leave.

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suddenly whatever woman they're working to is "neurotic", "bi-polar", "hysterical", a "screeching harpy" or a "misandrist".

I've never called you those, only ever called you neurotic and the reason follows_

You have admitted on here that you're basically just trying to knock people's ego .

Wtf? This is why I think you are neurotic. I once said that I think people here are sleekitly trying to knock the other gender's confidence and since then you've had a bit between your teeth, ever on the lookout for me trying to knock you. On the one hand I'm flattered that you remember my posting so well but on the other I think you're a bit a of a nut.

I bet you're the kind of of lass that gets semi drunk, waits till everyone has gone except us and then says ''what did you mean exactly when you said 'xyz' three weeks ago??'', with some absolutely benign shit.

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It's funny how people just disregard the location of the planet you live on, and judge all claims based on their own experiences.

For example I said I was a short guy at 5'9" where I live. I got downvoted and told I was average. AVERAGE WHERE? In my country, 6'0" is un-Ironically the average national height. So I leggit look like a 5th grader when walking next to a primary school, since kids entering puberty are MY HEIGHT.

It's also when they make claims about how women/men act. Which is HEAVILY influenced by culture (and that's influenced by the country you live in).

For example, men always pay the bill on dates, but the women always offer and are grateful you spent the money on them.

If you have a different experience, great. But that's not how things work here. Men pay, women show appriciateon and offer to pay. End of story.

All women are sluts? Think again, where I'm from that's heavily shamed and next to impossible. SOME girls might have N counts of 10. But those are extremely gorgeous promiscuous women, which are RARE, because of our culture.

I could name more but this message is getting too long.

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Spend some time in an old folks home.

By their 50s women are totally effed, but the trend starts once they hit their 30s. When we hit our 30s the some of the unpartnered women from my prep school started cold-calling the dudes from school - literally cold calling dudes they hadn’t talked to in over a decade, like they had a call center or something (this was before the rise of Facebook, etc).

Yes, women can get laid pretty easily up until their 50s (then it starts getting hard), but it starts getting hard for them to find decent men willing to take them on in any form of committed relationships from their mid 30s and by their 40s it’s a wasteland.

Very few of my single male friends above 35 will even date women their own age. They simply don’t have to if their poop is even partially in a group.

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I totally get that this is a difficult concept for women to grasp.

That’s convenient.

No, it isn’t. Actually it’s very inconvenient.

Remember that when your kids go through the inevitable “ I hate you phase”

I’ve had one go through that phase already, another one going through it now, and a few more who will go through it over the next 10 to 15 years.

Either they get the joke or they don’t. If they do, you have a mutually loving relationship and if they don’t you either have a transactional one (which is essentially meaningless) or none at all. That doesn’t mean you don’t love them, just means you don’t have a mutually loving relationship with them and should probably have some distance.

If your appreciation for the other is not based in their utility to you, you can love someone from a distance, with no interaction whatsoever and not feel sad about it.

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Read all the words and use the dictionary if necessary:

Either they get the joke or they don’t. If they do, you have a mutually loving relationship and if they don’t you either have a transactional one (which is essentially meaningless) or none at all. That doesn’t mean you don’t love them, just means you don’t have a mutually loving relationship with them and should probably have some distance.

Emphasis added for your reading comprehension.

Of course being in a mutually loving relationship requires both parties to the relationship to love each other, but like I said:

That doesn’t mean you don’t love them, just means you don’t have a mutually loving relationship with them

That’s very clear and coherent to anyone with decent reading comprehension who is reading in good faith (ie objectively).

Though again, I totally understand that these concepts are nearly impossible for women to grasp since the very idea of “love” is transactional in nature to you.

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Random thought but have you ever wondered why incels are the only ones who actually bother to gather evidence(studies/data) for their claims? Even though redpill predates incels it wasn't until /r/blackpillscience that evidence about human sexual behaviour was started being gathererd in some kind of organized fashion, and then there's the incel wiki which is a huge redpill repository in itself. Do terpers even have a wiki?

I assume this is because incels are the only ones who are in position of trying to prove a negative. A bloop just looks out of the window, sees it's snowing and says that this proves global warming isn't real. MGTOWers are too busy sucking each other's dicks to do anything productive. And terpers can just put the money where their mouth is and try the TRP techniques IRL, hence their focus on field reports. How could an incel even make a field report? Go to a bar and get rejected?

I just thought it was interesting how apparently holding a contentious position is not enough, you also have to be a "certain kind of person" to actually bother proving it to others.

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Isn't is usual that when you constantly fail at something you start to try to do research in order to figure out why are you constantly failing in order to know what to do to not fail?

The people who succeed without much failure don't question why didn't they fail, they just accept the success.

There are people who constantly ask question of why it is so and people who just accept that it is so without deeply questioning it (and not taxing their conciousness with what is trivial for them). Some people when asked why they find someone attrative can tell you something like the face form, musculature, eyes, nose, mouth, hair, etc. and other can't pinpoint why that person is attractive to them, it just is. It's like a cook cant tell you why he likes the dish by talking about the way the separate ingredients influence taste (oh, that spice combined with this vegetable gives X taste), a layperson probably wouldn't be able to describe what specific thing in the dish makes him like it.

While learning a foreign language as a teen or older have you ever questioned how the hell did you learn your native tongue while just speaking your baby tongue? I still can't figure out how did I learn to understand german (not my native language) just by purely watching german TV channels without any kind of translation while being around 3,5 (don't know the level I understood then, but there is a video proof of me being 3,5 years old (acording to the date of the video) and you could hear "He-Man" in german in the background).

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I wasn't implying you never would, I just meant say you do end up losing it at/after 30 you really won't regret that you missed out on what are supposed to be your prime years or that any girl you date would have a significantly mismatched sexual history to yours?

Your questioning highlights the deadly trap I'm talking about. You even used "supposed to be" which was taken from the PPD book that many guys on here to argue with when the truth is that it's possible to have healthy sexual relations despite losing one's virginity late.

I honestly could care less about N count, as long as I'm sexually satisfied and treated well I don't really care what she did with other guys. Words like "cuck" or "beta" mean fuck all to me. The truth is I live my life how I want to.

Not saying you should feel that way tho. Your outlook does seem more healthy than the alternative and I do agree with what you said about the feedback loop. I guess I'm curious if you ever felt the way the incels do but managed to get out of that minset or if it just never resonated with you in the first place?

I'm open to finding a significant other and do from time to time long for or fantasise about it but letting my thoughts take me to the point I would irrationally blame women for all my problems? No, that's literally insane.

I resonate with wanting sex because it is something I'm interested in having. I emphasise with those who have had bad hands dealt to them and those who have terrible circumstances to deal with. It can be easy to fall into a cycle of anger, bitterness and resentment. Unfortunately, only the person who is suffering can try to break through.

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Yeah, there is more than one tradcon on here that might feel burned in the situation. Do they warn others to not follow this path? No.

One is pissed because he washed out in his career, and now his wife doesn’t love him and only values his “utility”. Does he see that maybe his life would have been better if his wife didn’t quit working? Nope. Claims working made her masculine.

Another, somewhat similar white collar guy, with some “emotional issues” who posts constantly during work hours. Women expect us to provide! Does he see the error of his ways? Maybe it would be better if he didn’t have the added pressure of supporting the family alone?Nope, women should submit! Marry young and let the husband lead.

There are more These are just two specific cases, both expect to “play” captain. Both surprised the wifey is pissed when the captain is drunk. Well duh.....

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A personal anecdote of why I think women should not have lower physical standards than men as police officers.

Today while practicing in bjj I rolled with a female police officer (for those who dont know, this is where you do a high intensity grappling match with another person and battle for positioning/try to submit them with strangles and joint locks). I absolutely destroyed her while she was trying her hardest and I was only putting in 10% effort. If I wanted to I couldve had her unconscious whenever I wanted. At another point I had rolled with a male police officer, and although I beat him, he had far greater chance of being able to subdue me if we were in a real life cop/bad guy situation and probably would have been able to at least a portion of times. Im not even trying to brag about being good or anything, im not, theres people at my gym who totally shit on me.

Before you say "Well she could just shoot you".

This is coming from an ignorant perspective. Although sometimes cops get away with it, they arent allowed to just go out shooting people willy nilly. It is only under specific circumstance theyre allowed to use lethal force, and there is what they refer to as a use of force continuum thay gives a generalized outline of what kind of force is acceptable to use in which situations. And the point at which an unarmed combatant turns into a lethal force justified situation can happen in a shorter time than it takes to disarm them.

An example where a gun would not be very effective, If a cop is standing right infront of you a few feet away from you, questioning you, maybe theyre slightly distracted already, looking at your ID, writing something down, or have their back turned and are heading back to their vehicle, and you decide to lunge at them. If you completely overpowered them it wouldnt be that difficult to disarm/stop them from grabbing their gun them before they could draw their weapon, take off the safety, aim at you and then fire. Especially in the heat of the moment when you have the element of suprise on them. This is something they even acknowledge. Known as the "21 foot rule"

Anyways, enough of my rambling, I think female cops need higher standards than currently, even if it makes the feminazis mad.

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https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/paulina-porizkova-sparks-sexual-debate-with-lingerie-photo-women-feel-as-much-pleasure-from-sex-as-men-184123439.html

Some insight into a boomer feminist

"Can you have sex without love? We all know this is not a problem for men. But most women insist on a connection before they are turned on"

“This may be basic biology: when having sex, it’s always the woman who gets stuck with the check. So, it would make sense she makes sure she can trust her partner. But since the advent of the pill, women have choices. Not as many as men, to be sure, but way more than in the past. So is this still [a] relevant response to sex a social construct, or a biological inevitability?”

lol at the apex fallacy...because men ave sooo many choices...

"But what’s wrong with basic sex? After all, you don’t need every meal to be a gourmet delight. Most of the times you eat to satisfy your body.”

She's old so she thinks most young women aren't already doing this.

“But for ME....you had to stay a virgin and only bad girls messed around. And so when I messed around I was ashamed and hid it. And when I was taken advantage of, I dared hit tell a sole as I would have been blamed. America has it ALL wrong.” Kristen Baur...just lol

"The guilt instilled in so many woman that sex is for reasons other than enjoyment makes me sad. It's ok to know and understand our bodies in every way." lol..okayyy

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If the conditions are right we enjoy just as much as men. I don't think this is all down to men - women need to stop faking orgasms and communicate better about what they want. But some guys take offence to being directed, or have no interest in doing something to please the woman. That's where the issue lies.

I've had lots of fantastic casual sex because I only did it with people I could build rapport with and I'm also confident enough to say what I need. But it's not always that easy. I had an ex who told me it was "boring" trying to get me to orgasm (which then made it much harder as I was in my head worrying if it was taking a bit longer etc). How would you like it if a woman pushed you off and said you were taking too long and she was bored? Rather than be willing to try different things and put some effort in.

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Well, I'm not the person who wrote it so I don't know. But I would assume it's that woman do enjoy casual sex with men when the conditions are right (which is the same with men; men aren't likely to enjoy casual sex if it involves them getting pegged every time or whatever) just in general at the moment the conditions aren't met as often for women as they are for men.

So like people in your social circle or do you just mean you took the time to date them without sex for a while before entering a casual sex arangement with them?

Neither, but on tinder if someone opened with "hi wuu2 Wu warin" I knew we probs wouldn't get along sexually. If they can hold a conversation and they're interesting and we get along, then there's generally a lot more room for open communication and compromise during sex. The people who gave the best chat were always the best in bed.

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Can you give an example of something you read in a profile that made you want to swipe on them?

God I haven't been on tinder in 5 years, it's hard to remember specifics 😅 I swiped on one guy cos he had a selfie of him and a goat as one of his pics? Much better than a selection of topless pouty mirror selfies 😅 Also one guy who had a quote from always sunny in Philadelphia but I didn't realise it and just thought he was funny - that quote lost it's charm once I'd seen it on 6 other profiles but it worked for that one haha.

What do you define as short? or what is the ideal height for you?

I don't have an ideal height, it's more that most people I've been really attracted to have been average to below average height. But out of my regular, repeat tinder guys one was my height and the other an inch or two taller (I'm 5"0).

Its a common occurrence for women to prefer short nerdy guys where you live?

Not necessarily 😅 maybe just for other short nerdy women? But I don't think height is as big a thing here (our average height is a little smaller anyway). At least, from scrolling through male friends tinder I've never seen anyone state a height preference etc which from what guys on here say, seems a common thing in the US.

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Did you even read what I said?

Yeah,

So what happens when you try a food and decide you don’t like it? Is that your alpha meal, that no other meal will compare to?

I think that's a pretty damning statement. For the reasons i clearly outlined right here:

I thought women hated being treated like meat? Seems a little hypocritical.

Come on. this guy isn't a sandwich, you shouldn't be telling him to put up with be treated like that.

that he decides that not having sex is a deal breaker

You know it's not that, you're trying to frame it as something more shallow than it is. You're also trying to frame it like it's not that girl's fault, or that she tried to do him dirty. But she did. And i KNOW that you've spent enough time on here to know that fucking one guy and not the other, is a statement. You're pretending it's not. You know better.

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you’re trying to frame it as something more shallow than it is

Here’s the thing: I’m trying to frame it as the fact that he is 100% allowed to walk away because no sex is a deal breaker. He doesn’t need to overthink it. He’s not getting his personal needs met, and it’s ok to say that’s not ok for him

There’s literally no point in hamstering and trying to paint her as some Machiavellian, scheming harpy. The same way he’s allowed to walk away, she’s allowed to decide that she doesn’t want sex

Pointing to either of them and saying they’re selfish, shallow, whatever is fucking stupid

They (and everyone else) needs to treat themselves as the prize - you’re not meeting my needs? Ok, next. No need to be bitter and try to assign motivations that aren’t there

Just smile, and move on to the next girl

And for the record, I would defend him the exact same way

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There’s literally no point in hamstering and trying to paint her as some Machiavellian, scheming harpy

nobody is saying it's machiavellian. It's a thot trying to beta bux a man, a very common behavior everybody knows about.

Pointing to either of them and saying they’re selfish, shallow, whatever is fucking stupid

Look i know it's pointless in your situation, but men need to actually be right about things to get dates. They need to actually figure other people out. It's a clear cut accurate description, and he made the right call using it. If she had just wanted to wait for sex, he wouldn't have dropped her. He dropped her, because he knows what he's in for if he doesn't. He used an accurate appraisal to make a conscientious decision. It's not stupid, it's only stupid for you. You just don't like it.
you're probably thinking you just want to stop people from thinking so badly about the other gender. That's not what's happening here, the guy's salty, but he made a practical decision about what he's willing to accept and what he's willing to put up with.

No need to be bitter and try to assign motivations that aren’t there

While we're at it let's just pretend the red pill isn't real and women are wonderful. Look, you can call talking about this stuff stupid, but if so: you're on the wrong subreddit.

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You KNOW he thinks that, and you wanted him not to think

Actually, no. I responded after other people were weighing in with all sorts of weird justifications and accusations against her. None of which had anything to do with his OP

I was trying to tell him to trust himself and not waste any more time thinking about her. What’s the point of letting PPD tie him up in anger? There is none, it’ll just prolong him moving on

They’re incompatible, case closed, next her and move it along to the next one

you literally were the person vying for people to believe it was for a reason you wanted him to believe

What now? All I’ve been vying for is for him to treat himself like the prize, and walk away with no drama

You guys are the ones getting all twisted about something that he didn’t even say to begin with

you’re projecting your behavior onto me

Dude, you’re telling on yourself

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a mongoloid tier argument

what 😁

If you fuck one guy and not the other, you made a value judgement.

not necessarily though if the first guy was a literal mistake that you've learned from. you know manipulative people exist and naïve people exist (of both genders), right? plus, she wants to fuck him but reading the entire thread, they were going about it the very religious way (getting families involved, talking about marriage). she was trying to do it the right way, and he's apparently religious as well.

Whether you think it's a hassle now after you've fucked someone doesn't matter.

it's not about it being a "hassle" but it possibly being a mistake, bad judgment, naivete, etc. etc....

not that this distinction matters to you at all though either, because you lack empathy for the other side, which is ironic due to the number of men who are purple/redpilled i've seen on this sub accuse women of lacking empathy.

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not necessarily though if the first guy was a literal mistake that you've learned from. you know manipulative people exist and naïve people exist (of both genders), right?

i'm not going to bother arguing that the sky is blue, or that women make value judgements of their sexual partners. If you're going to pretend like that's not happening, you're on the wrong subreddit.

because you lack empathy for the other side

Oh please, You can dress it up however you want and pretend like it's everyone else's fault, and that they're not empathizing enough with women who "changed" but look here: the decisions you and everyone makes are their own. She made a decision, that had consequences that everyone made clear up front. Fuck, we make it clear all the time, I'm making it clear right now. THe only person who wants to pretend that it's not a clear boundary here, is .... (yes you guessed it).

She made a choice, she can't roll that back. Her decisions are interpreted differently for it. The context has changed. They are a different action altogether now. It's not "the religious way" anymore. That ship sailed. The terms were clear. They're still clear. And you know what? they're not even unreasonable.

Literally he just wants to not be treated like a backup, beta bucks. That should not be hard. If it is then that's a failing of that girl's personal character, and a failure of her as a partner.

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i'm not going to bother arguing that the sky is blue, or that women make value judgements of their sexual partners. If you're going to pretend like that's not happening, you're on the wrong subreddit.

i'm not on an RP subreddit, this is all up for debate, discussion, conversation. but men don't really believe women in general which is why both genders actually stick to their own little echo chambers (TRP and i guess its female equivalent, despite being much more niche and ridiculed overall, FDS). this is not supposed to be that. i'm also confused as to why you think some women can't be naïve with their first when that's usually how it goes. maybe b/c i'm an "older" virgin (or on my way to being if i keep it up since i'm 19), i can't say i'm really all that naïve about it at all, but conversely, i'm maybe too neurotic about this and about not making mistakes, simply b/c you men treat it like you do and misinterpret our actions, without listening to any explanations.

it's everyone else's fault

never said or implied that.

they're not empathizing enough with women who "changed"

bro i didn't say to empathize with idk promiscuous women who "changed", although empathy would be nice all around b/c mental issues certainly affect people of both genders, i can at least see from your perspective there in avoiding those women. here though, this woman slept with one (1) partner...

(yes you guessed it).

😐

It's not "the religious way" anymore. That ship sailed.

but like... how... when God is forgiving, the man is religious too in this case (and i'm not sure whether he's a virgin either), and they can do it the "right" way now... i'm not saying he has to if he doesn't like her. i just don't understand how this is the one monumental dealbreaker if hypothetically she has everything else.

Literally he just wants to not be treated like a backup, beta bucks. That should not be hard. If it is then that's a failing of that girl's personal character, and a failure of her as a partner.

a backup, betabux?? or maybe he's just a new partner that she would want to be with for life, did the comment even state how much $$ she made in comparison? if they like each other and can make a marriage work out (in this case, Islamic marriages have an impressively low divorce rate), they have a life full of sex ahead of them. to each their own at the end of the day.

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when God is forgiving,

Sure he forgives, but he doesn't forget. Let's suppose it's genuine (A redpiller would not, they would assume he's being taken for a ride) She really wanted to make a change, she is forgiven, but she is liable to all the consequences of her actions nonetheless, and her choice are interpreted based upon her past.

Every moment in your life is a turning and every one a choosing. Somewhere you made a choice. All followed to this. The accounting is scrupulous. The shape is drawn. No line can be erased.

Cormac McCarthy

This is not a judgement on getting sex or not getting sex. It's not the hedonism. That's not how men see it. If you fuck one man, you appraised him, and he passed an examination. Not all men fuck. If a woman fucks a guy, that's a statement on her interpretation of him. If a woman does not want to fuck a guy that wants to fuck her, that is ALSO a statement she makes upon the man. Now you say there are more noble reasons for her not to want to fuck the guy, and it's not a value judgement causing her to behave this way.
No guy buys that. that is due to women's behavior. Women make value judgements on men they fuck. If a guy fucks a girl, that says nothing about her. She didn't impress him to get a dicking. The same for men is not true.

No matter how much you want to say that it's not actually that, the act itself is meaningful. It is a statement on its own, out of your control. Even IF she was genuinely not feeling that value judgement, (which i don't buy) but even IF she really didn't make a negative value judgement to him in her heart, she just did it to him in practice and relegated him to something like a cuckold. God is fine no matter what you do. It's the fucking boyfriend getting the short end of the stick, it's his forgiveness you need to get. And you don't just get to have it whenever you want, especially if you think you deserve to fuck him over like this. It's not an apology, you're just demanding he accept it. In no part is he being apologized to. In no part are you admitting he is being unfairly fucked over. You are demanding that he "forgive" her. but that's not forgiving her, that's putting up with her behavior that she is not willing to make up for.

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She really wanted to make a change, she is forgiven, but she is liable to all the consequences of her actions nonetheless, and her choice are interpreted based upon her past.

okay so this makes sense, can't she prove herself by being a loyal wife for the rest of her life? it's not like you can even use the pair bonding argument here. she fucked a guy. one. and i'm just saying this assuming he likes her other than.. this... one... thing. women also see this differently, especially religious women who attempt to maintain low n-counts. they genuinely see the guy they want to marry as the one™️. i mean he's the one who will be getting sex for the rest of his life if you want to see it like that??? i certainly would never marry a man i didn't find very attractive (i mean most women today don't need to marry for $$). would rather not marry than that, and won't settle for just sex. in this way, i doubt the man she fucked first was within the context of an ONS or a FWB arrangement, probably an LTR she thought was leading up to marriage. an assumption i'm making only b/c i know how religious women roll.

If you fuck one man, you appraised him, and he passed an examination.

did you know that some women have "self control" (if you want to call it that, i would just say this applies to me and i have high inhibitions) and won't just fuck men based on physical attractiveness, some don't do casual sex at all? so it doesn't mean that the man a woman hypothetically just fucked is more attractive than all other men she rejects. it depends on the woman. some "Chad"lites don't even get laid b/c a lot of it is game too (meaning it's not just "value" or his looks), and a lot of women are staunch in their beliefs (either sex within LTRs or marriage). sure, most men will fuck most women, i'm guessing, and factually, women are at least slightly pickier, but each woman's standards and beliefs are different.

even IF she really didn't make a negative value judgement to him in her heart, she just did it to him in practice and relegated him to something like a cuckold.

i just don't see this logic, but i am trying to empathize with it...

God is fine no matter what you do. It's the fucking boyfriend getting the short end of the stick, it's his forgiveness you need to get. And you don't just get to have it whenever you want, especially if you think you deserve to fuck him over like this. It's not an apology, you're just demanding he accept it. In no part is he being apologized to. In no part are you admitting he is being unfairly fucked over. You are demanding that he "forgive" her. but that's not forgiving her, that's putting up with her behavior that she is not willing to make up for.

okay. this i understand, though i don't think a singular past choice perhaps made in bad judgment is necessarily fucking over your current partner... now how would she be making up for it in your opinion?

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1) They were dragging themselves because they believed they were being "pickmeishas" for men who they consider inferior. I don't see how a belief that 90%+ of men being LVM/NVM isn't a view that men in general are inferior to women, especially since they don't believe 90%+ of women are LVW.

2) But what makes you think FDS bothers me? That I still don't understand, I explicitly said it doesn't. I'm just opining why men who are bothered might feel that way; they did not have exposure to it before. It is something so new that it is jarring to them. I brought up how the view that men are superior (TRP view) is commonly expressed in public and throughout history, so most everyone has already had exposure to it. The view that women are superior (FDS) is very uncommonly expressed, especially to men, so seeing this new view is jarring to them and I guess what you see as "bothersome". I think that is pretty easy to understand.

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Not me personally, but a woman putting up with her husband despite his flaws isn't exactly uncommon. For most of human history, and in many cultures today, the concern of whether a man "adds value" to a woman's life isn't considered. She's there to give him children and then raise their family. Even the women on FDS say that the reason they did so was because the overall "culture" (being Western culture in this case) told them to. I mean that's clear right? That they say culture told them to be pickmeishas? Patriarchy indoctrinating or something along those lines.

What I am saying is unique to your demographic is how women (key part here) talk about men with vitriol publicly and the "way" they have of talking about it. This is rapidly being disseminated to other women in other demographics, but patient zero was a particular one. The "men ain't shit" stuff. I think men of every culture have talked about women with vitriol in public like TRP does.

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You're making things awfully personal, when I have repeatedly stated that isn't my personal view. But I suppose if that makes you feel better...

Sounds like you’re saying men’s added value was protection and provision, which as needed anymore.

Many women are/were married off to men as children, or to poor men, or to abusive men. So I don't think this was true for a sizable portion of people.

Sounds like you much prefer the time when women were stuck. You’re romanticizing it a bit. She didn’t “put up” with. She was stuck. Men prefer that. I get it. The comment here is a guy lamenting just that.

Did you see the part where I said "not me personally"? The difference between "putting up with it" and being "stuck" is just splitting hairs. I mean I could get this by taking my American money, going to the third world, and just living that life there - but that isn't what I want.

“My demographic” of women and men don’t take too kindly to people who don’t add value (male or female) asserting themselves as defacto leads.

Debatable, at least from the outside looking in.

So I’m unmoved by men clutching pearls because women do it back now.

No one is asking you to be moved... but you seemed confused as to why some men (again, not me since it has to be spelled out) found it jarring. The point is because you stated it yourself - they do it back NOW, it's new - new things are jarring.

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I was thinking about the porn industry and realized something that both men and women could win. Men, start to pay for porn. The reason is if you pay for porn from ethical porn producers, you aren’t supporting the producers that do terrible and shady things, like use children or trafficked people. I would be okay if a man spend a reasonable amount of money (as in not addicted, we all know addiction is extremely expensive and unhealthy) and did research and only supported ethical porn. Like I hear a ton of people say “why pay for only fans?” And now I realize OF is one of the more ethical (in terms of not using trafficked people and under age people) in there content. What do you men think? I personally hate the idea that slavery is continuing today, I hate the idea that children are exploited, I hate the idea that there are people who have no control over there lives or bodies. And I know a ton of women who hate that men watch porn. I hate it too. I would change my tune if every porn men watched was from an ethical and safe source.

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That depends entirely on their content. But some producers I'm familiar with claimed to be exactly that, only to have allegations come out anyway. I'm leery about trusting producers as a result.

But I also work in entertainment. I've seen film and tv producers who will freely ignore safety guidelines or try to shush up serious problems. Hell I've had to both testify on another crewmembers behalf and sue a producer myself.

I think the actual solution is probably for the industry to unionize and advocate for workers rights, and for people involved to be aware of their rights and their ability to retaliate legally and look over their contracts. You can't trust a producer to be ethical, though I'm sure many exist, and you can't put this responsibility on a disorganized consumer mass. That simply won't work.

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You said "the problems men face in dating"

Women expect their male non-friends to sympathize with them online. That's literally all of feminism.

I don't understand what you mean by this. Yeah, you can probably find sympathy for those problems with your irl friends, but expecting it online is a little bit silly.

And I really don't know what you're saying in that last sentence- all of feminism is definitely not about internet arguments.

Oh so that's why women always duck and dive whenever the hypothetical question is put forth about whether they'd switch genders. Norah Vincent took that challenge and was driven nuts.

Women wouldn't last an hour facing our problems. Not even a fucking hour.

I have never seen this and its not really compelling either. Most people enjoy being their own gender and have experiences unique to it that they wouldn't let go of. I like being a man and I wouldn't change my gender. Seems like a really strange question to ask.

What problems? I am a man and I'm not sure what you're referring to.

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I mean why would you say that shit lmfao. being bitter and making a wishlist looks bad on anyone.

Women say "no short men" and get away with it and are quite happy.

also what are you even talking about? I'm talking about complaining about dating on the internet not dating apps

r/DatingOverThirty is full of women doing that, r/FemaleDatingStrategy was lauded by the Wall Street Journal... literally women don't give a shit about your opinions and they complain about men all the time and get away with it.

Why should we men care what you think? What are you gonna do, keep ranting at the river as it keeps flowing by heedless of your screams for it to stop? LOL

I cant click on those rn but ill take your word for it. also anecdotal but on spring break when I was in college a woman grabbed my friends ass and he busted her lip and no one cared. she got kicked out not us. so

Lucky him. He's an anomaly. He literally could have gotten killed by a mob of men like you.

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Women say "no short men" and get away with it and are quite happy.

I've never seen that but hey if you say so. I'm over 6 feet and find that unattractive in itself. More flies with honey and all that

r/DatingOverThirty is full of women doing that, r/FemaleDatingStrategy was lauded by the Wall Street Journal... literally women don't give a shit about your opinions and they complain about men all the time and get away with it.

And I find it equally pathetic and unattractive when they whine about stupid shit on the internet. But when my friends of either gender complain I don't mind at all, because they're my friends and I know and love them.

Lucky him. He's an anomaly. He literally could have gotten killed by a mob of men like you.

Like me? I was in the bar with him you dummy thats why i said "us"

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I've never seen that but hey if you say so.

WTF? Women put it on their profiles. Bumble literally caters to women's demand for tall men by putting in a height filter, which men don't even care about. Literally it's a widely known fact that tall men should put their height on their profile because it increases their appeal and it is known that women openly state their demands for a man's height.

I'm over 6 feet and find that unattractive in itself. More flies with honey and all that

It's nice to know someone out there is doing what I say men should do: swipe left on women who post height requirements the way women swipe left on men who have weight requirements.

And I find it equally pathetic and unattractive when they whine about stupid shit on the internet.

But you only called out men for that.

Like me? I was in the bar with him you dummy thats why i said "us"

Yeah, like you fool. You remind me of a lot of blue-pill men here. First thing you do is lay in on the men. That's a dead giveaway.

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erin pizzey is one woman and I dont know much about this but I highly doubt the male rape thing. either way rape convictions are insanely hard to get for either gender but I think you would be pretty deluded to think men recieve more gendered violence than women.

The statistics are on my side but if you dont want that or want to talk about obscure theorists or false accusations talk to your female friends. Most will have been harassed in some way or form. I live in a large city and pretty much every woman I know has been cat called. Your male friends will likely not be the same.

Yes people complain when their is something that upsets them no matter what it is.

Yeah complaining is fine to some extent but in general you should try and take some ownership over your life and try and fix things- seeing as no one is going to fix it for you. good luck!

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I’ve mean there are homeless bums covered in literal garbage who have fathered children

Cause some of them were once more affluent, good looking and powerful men but for a reason or another they failed somewhere, and because men have no real safety net outside of their own resources, are now homeless bums.

Go ask the homeless, there are ex professors, ex policemen, ex soldiers, ex doctors, etc. But something happened, a wrong investment, an injury, a loss of a job, a fight, an addiction, an affair, etc. Now they are ruined, probably for life as they have nothing to build upon.

Women and children have unconditional help. Men don't. Men only have as much help as as they can provide. If a man cannot provide, he is simply fucked. At best, their parents (if still alive) will give him a second chance. After that, you are fucked for life. None gonna help you.

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With my ex I had a terrible relationship with his mum, no issues with his dad. I thought my relationship with his mum was fine (I was always saying to my own mum how nice she was!) until we were engaged and then she just became a nightmare. She told him she didn't think he was doing the right thing in marrying me, said I didn't make enough effort with the family, we needed to move closer to them, I needed to change my name or there was no point in getting married. And even though before that he'd never suggested there was an issue in my "effort" (and the rest of the family seemed to like me fine) he suddenly started nagging me to spend more time with them. He'd told me he never wanted to move back to his hometown but then when she suggested he move back suddenly I was the bitch for not wanting to. Me not changing my name was a total non issue until she brought it up and then suddenly I was being difficult for not considering it. Not ideal! We cut off all contact as soon as divorce was decided on and I've not seen or spoken to them since.

Not currently married but I'm engaged to my partner just now and it's a much better relationship with my in-laws to be. My partner is pretty sure they like me more than they like him 😅 they don't have an invasive presence in his life and his mum seemed pleasantly surprised that she's invited to the wedding 🙈

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bae (westernized lmao) islam is my personal experience <3 it's just interesting you know things about it that i don't. were you curious/studied it on your own?

I'm sure what you said was written in the Quran, but the question becomes where in the text was that said? And then you remember that the religion is abrogated and the verses aren't in chronological order, and then the question becomes when was it said by Muhammed?

i get what you mean, but i was talking about marital rights and respecting your mother/women in general. both concepts are pretty much universally accepted and i don't think abrogation is relevant for it. my pt is that islam not inherently misogynistic, it implies that man and woman are different, but not that one is inferior.

If you're actually interested in Islam, also look up the definitions of "kitman" and "taqiyya".

just googled it. whoa you're teaching me new things 🤝thanks bud. is this relevant to our subject matter too or just cuz

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no way. you're probably the white one between the two of us because reddit is white man heavy. you're projecting

Twas but a jest. I'm so white I got sunburnt in 50 degree weather this weekend.

Social media points for proving the men in those countries aren't dangerous (negative points awarded in most cases)

weird

I know, right?! Feminism really has done a wonder on our youth.

Hahahaha k

you know i'm right

Why do you think you're right when you know I know more about Islam than you (or at least know things you don't)?

I "follow" all of them in that I value learning about each. I lean Christian, but wouldn't call myself one (yet?).

interesting what about spirituality

Hippy term for ignorant women to feel included in discussions about religion.

Then you're stupid. Everyone is ignorant about some (if not most) things.

okay true, i am not stupid, i do not appreciate these insinuations mister NiceGuyNumber4

True intelligence is recognizing one's shortcomings. I am not insinuating that you're stupid but instead that you aren't as smart as you think you are. Most people, including myself, aren't.

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Twas but a jest. I'm so white I got sunburnt in 50 degree weather this weekend.

:O amazing. how does a sunburn feel

I know, right?! Feminism really has done a wonder on our youth.

well hmm i think i count as part of the youth feminism has inflicted its wrath upon. but tbh i don't think this is due to feminism it's just some people being stupid 😅i don't think the men are inherently more dangerous there, they just have less laws protecting women. so they're more unhinged.

Hippy term for ignorant women to feel included in discussions about religion.

ahh so you don't care about real spirituality (like Eastern spirituality, Latin spirituality, indigenous spirituality, etc.). i get it though there's too many belief systems to count or learn about. i like Eastern spirituality though

what do you think about astrology, what's your sign? 😏jk jk.. or am i...

True intelligence is recognizing one's shortcomings. I am not insinuating that you're stupid but instead that you aren't as smart as you think you are. Most people, including myself, aren't.

you know what, you're right. to be fair i don't think i overrate myself..

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:O amazing. how does a sunburn feel

Stings similar to a spank. Bad ones have a constant burning sensation. My skin is very sensitive and I can get "hell itch" if burned too badly (half ginger).

well hmm i think i count as part of the youth feminism has inflicted its wrath upon. but tbh i don't think this is due to feminism it's just some people being stupid 😅

Idk if it's necessarily stupid if you've been force-fed an idealogy.

i don't think the men are inherently more dangerous there, they just have less laws protecting women. so they're more unhinged.

I think men are inherently more dangerous, but that's because men are just more capable in that aspect.

ahh so you don't care about real spirituality (like Eastern spirituality, Latin spirituality, indigenous spirituality, etc.). i get it though there's too many belief systems to count or learn about. i like Eastern spirituality though

Lol real spirituality. Spirituality just means the enjoying the bare basics of a religion (or several) without actually committing to any beliefs or rules of the religion.

what do you think about astrology, what's your sign? 😏jk jk.. or am i...

Virgo. Chinese zodiac is rooster. Both are bullshit.

you know what, you're right. to be fair i don't think i overrate myself..

Yeah "I'm not like other girls" lol

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Stings similar to a spank. Bad ones have a constant burning sensation. My skin is very sensitive and I can get "hell itch" if burned too badly (half ginger).

ouch!! i'm grateful i tan now but aww that sucks :(

the half ginger in parentheses is making me laugh

Idk if it's necessarily stupid if you've been force-fed an idealogy.

i mean i don't think it's feminism that is making women do that

I think men are inherently more dangerous, but that's because men are just more capable in that aspect.

true i guess. higher testosterone levels and bigger bodies and all of that on average could maybe mean more capability to harm

Lol real spirituality. Spirituality just means the enjoying the bare basics of a religion (or several) without actually committing to any beliefs or rules of the religion.

exactly! super fun and interesting and colorful. don't hate... just manifest✨

Virgo. Chinese zodiac is rooster. Both are bullshit.

a virgo man?! wow.. of course, you psychopath. both are great, spoken like a true virgo man. i should have guessed it.

i'm a virgo too :D and my Chinese zodiac is snake lmao

Yeah "I'm not like other girls" lol

no i'm like every other girl #AWALT

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the half ginger in parentheses is making me laugh

You laugh but through this conversation I have already absorbed a portion of your soul.

i mean i don't think it's feminism that is making women do that

I think social pressures do affect people's actions, but it's entirely possible those women were just unintelligent.

true i guess. higher testosterone levels and bigger bodies and all of that on average could maybe mean more capability to harm

Yeah men are on average more capable at causing physical harm and thus on average more dangerous. That being said, DV stats suggest that women may be equally prone to violence.

exactly! super fun and interesting and colorful. don't hate... just manifest✨

No hate here. Believe what you will.

a virgo man?! wow.. of course, you psychopath. both are great, spoken like a true virgo man. i should have guessed it.

i'm a virgo too :D and my Chinese zodiac is snake lmao

Welcome, sister. My grandma is way to into the Chinese signs. Supposedly me and my mom are mortal enemies (she's a rabbit) lol

Yeah "I'm not like other girls" lol

no i'm like every other girl #AWALT

That's the spirit!

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You laugh but through this conversation I have already absorbed a portion of your soul.

:OOO men really are dangerous. or maybe that's just gingers. but gingers have pretty hair it's okay

I think social pressures do affect people's actions, but it's entirely possible those women were just unintelligent.

true, probably a mix of both

Yeah men are on average more capable at causing physical harm and thus on average more dangerous. That being said, DV stats suggest that women may be equally prone to violence.

yeah i was surprised about DV statistics. that's really sad :(((

No hate here. Believe what you will.

lmao nah i'm pretty religious but spirituality and everything else is just very fun and cool to think about

Welcome, sister. My grandma is way to into the Chinese signs. Supposedly me and my mom are mortal enemies (she's a rabbit) lol

that's so adorable of your grandma haha older people are so cute

That's the spirit!

hey wait a minute.. don't encourage red pill indoctrination 😡i'll have you know i am a unicorn

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We like to follow, jerk off to them and hopefully fuck them (Sommer Ray if you are seeing this know that I'm available for you, I'm pretty sure I can convince the gf to join in too). What we DON'T want is to have any serious relationship with them(sorry Sommer💔). It's a pretty simple concept, I don't know what you are having trouble with. If a woman wants to be pumped and dumped, she can be a slut. If she wants a serious relationship, she shouldn't be a slut.

From where I am sitting, when some guys slut shame an Instagram model, then jerk off to her, it’s more degrading to you

Why? She is jerk off material to me, she is not my mother or my GF.

It’s your opinion of her, but you want her and still think about her.

Yes, we think about bending her over and doing nasty degrading shit to her. We don't think about walks at the beach and sweet cutesy cuddles.

It's not hypocrisy. Unlike women we can VERY easily sexually desire a woman and have absolutely no respect for her or even like her.

Also, not saying Sommer is a slut, her photos are

She is a gigantic slut.

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That’s a good thing that you don’t feel degraded. From my perspective you are degrading yourself. Attention is the lifeblood for any instagram model. When you look at her story, like her photos, she is getting revenue for her advertising. Sex sells right? Not just money she’s getting but also attention and clout which in turn will give her more opportunities. So you support her. Now let’s consider you for a moment. What are you getting out of this arrangement? You give her attention, money, opportunity. She gives you jerk off material. Sounds fair right? Let’s consider the time you spend on her. Time is money, time is love. Wasting away, thinking about the sex you’ll never have with a woman who doesn’t know you exist. To me, that sounds as pathetic as women reading romance novels, watching romance movies and thinking about love too much. You think about sluts too much. When you do that you don’t spend your time on yourself. You spend it on them. It’s coping to say “those sluts are only jerk off material” while you sadly beat your meat instead of spending this energy on something healthy. Love starved women and sex starved men are on the same coin to me. Both degrade themselves often for a fantasy.

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From my perspective you are degrading yourself.

Sure but your perspective is just weird and personally I kinda doubt you see me as "degrading myself" and seems more like some kind of revenge fic.

When you look at her story, like her photos, she is getting revenue for her advertising.

Sure. But she is not getting that revenue from my money. I don't care if she makes money as long as I don't pay for it.

Let’s consider the time you spend on her. Time is money, time is love. Wasting away, thinking about the sex you’ll never have with a woman who doesn’t know you exist.

Yes. That's called jerking off. It would be the same if I did it thinking about a woman I respected and a woman I don't respect. Also, it's not wasting away. I consider it time well spend.

To me, that sounds as pathetic as women reading romance novels, watching romance movies and thinking about love too much.

That doesn't sound pathetic.

When you do that you don’t spend your time on yourself. You spend it on them

I spend it on myself. I'm literally pleasuring myself. It's the most selfish thing in the world.

while you sadly beat your meat instead of spending this energy on something healthy.

What makes you think beating your meat isn't healthy?

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Like sluts... for what exactly?

I like policemen, for policing, not for brutalizing people.

Likewise, most men like sluts for casual sex. And absolutely nothing else.

Actually, most men like almost all women for sex, but sluts are particularly easier to get it and thus more liked by it.

It feels like you guys on here hate hypergamy women and hate slutty women.

We love their sexual availability but that is it.

They are quite literally just sexual objects.

And take it as you will, but I would rather not have most people of the opposite sex around me which only positive value being sexual availability.

And no, career, money and status means little if anything.

They are tools for us, tools to acquire sex and romance. They on themselves have close to zero real value to most men. Making a pizza is way more valuable to me than you being the president of a nation or the CEO of amazon. I already have the more money and status than I would even want anyway.

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