What redpill “truths” have you seen disproven or at least seen an exception to?

Steakman1 · 2022-11-04T17:53:02+00:00

Almost every at least somewhat modest woman seems to have a limit for how many women a guy can have sex with before it starts to be a red flag and/or gross. But the claim is that women don’t care how many women a guy has had sex with and it actually makes him more attractive the more he’s had.

social_mule · 2022-11-04T17:44:54+00:00

I am a man and the overuse of the 80/20 "rule" to encompass pretty much everything on, in and around the planet is annoying. So I take exception to it.

ChibsFilipTelfordd · 2022-11-05T00:14:40+00:00

Uhm off the top of my head, that bad boys get more play than nice boys

SUPPLICANT boys, PUSSY boys, WEAK boys. They get no girls.

But normal dudes, who have boundaries and don't roll over for their gf do just fine depending on their genetics.

Hot bad boys get girls for sure, but that's bc they're hot not bc they treat the girl poorly

AstronautLoveShack · 2022-11-04T17:20:39+00:00

The strange belief that women can't feel romantic love. I know many marriages where the women go above and beyond for their men, have been there for them during illnesses, surgery. One unfortunate gentleman had a stroke and is permanently in a wheelchair and his wife still is his biggest cheerleader. They still do everything together. They have been together since high school too (now in their 50s). My stepdad is suffering through a progressive neurological condition and my mom is literally his walker - she helps him out of his chair and he puts his hands on her shoulders and and lets her lead him where he needs to go.

saraimarsena · 2022-11-04T16:20:31+00:00

a lot of red pillers strongly believe a woman will trade in her man for someone better in a heartbeat due to her “hypergamous nature” and that “she’s not yours it’s just your turn”. This keeps many men from becoming emotionally invested in a woman.

In my experience, not being invested in a relationship is just a recipe for disaster.

edit for clarity: hypergamous women exist. women are not automatically hypergamous. both can be true.

Brief_Crab_3710 · 2022-11-04T16:16:10+00:00

The importance of money (age range 18-25 at least)

Almost every rich dude (whether family endowed or self made) or doctor/lawyer I have come across (and that is a lot of them) who did well with women is someone who would have done well regardless of what they were unless they were straight homeless or something--it was just icing on the cake

If you're talking celebrity level status and tens of millions of dollars then it matters sure. But normal rich isn't doing much or beating out attractive guys

The9thElement · 2022-11-04T16:53:58+00:00

No, your loving girlfriend isn’t going to leave you the minute she finds a man .03937473 cm taller than you

Women generally will not want to stay in a relationship with you if you treat them like shit, unless they have issues

Women can and do feel love. I mean, come on.

JumboJetz · 2022-11-04T16:33:10+00:00

I actually can be somewhat emotionally vulnerable with women partners. Their pussy doesn’t dry up if I do.

feminologie_ · 2022-11-04T17:03:45+00:00

The idea that women need to be emotionally broken down to prevent them from "monkey-branching" to another man. If you have to emotionally abuse your woman to keep her around, you've lost the plot my guy.

The funny thing is, RP tactics only work on a subset of emotionally unhealthy (or straight up crazy) women. At best, they guarantee that you will end up in a toxic relationship with a toxic woman. At worst you will push away a good woman. High quality women with self respect will leave you if you try this nonsense. The ex redpill sub is full of guys crying about how their girls left them because they followed RP advice and treated their SOs like crap. Is it really a surprise that they got left😂

waffleznstuff30 · 2022-11-04T17:57:22+00:00

That women are hypergamous by nature. This is far from the truth. In my experience and my social circle. I have stayed in relationships way past their expiration date because I didn't want to give up on them and let them down and give them a chance to pull through, and tried giving them direction into making it work to realize they couldn't and it wasn't it and we are both not happy here. My friend is engaged and still happy with the man she chose. We aren't looking for the next best thing. Hypergamous women exist yes but all women aren't

That we only value money. I am totally cool with paying for a guy. Like if he got the movie I'll cover dinner. Like money is such a non-issue to me. If a guy gives me gifts, I will too and get him something I think he would like. The only thing I want to see is that he has a job. Not because oooh what does he make but a job says he has some sense of personal responsibility and how long he holds the job and what not. If he makes a decent living working at a warehouse that's his hustle. I just like to see that they employed.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2022-11-04T17:53:18+00:00

pthFeeeeemaaaale here

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a real life example of AF/BB
I wasn’t a sorority girl who got trashed and hooked up with Chad every weekend and none of my friends were. The Redpill is fixated on these women but they’re certainly not all women, and probably not even the majority.
I’ve seen enough irrational, irresponsible, immature men to be pretty skeptical of the hum drum “men are logical women are emotional” mantra. Like spare me the facts and logic TM.
As I’ve gotten older and married and have started to see my peers also pair off and get married, I’m starting to see the other side of the coin from what TRP is focused on, which is casual sex and just getting your foot in the door. The other side of that door isn’t always pretty for women. More often than not those marriedredpill men talking about the “oldest teenager in the house” don’t realize that it’s them. They’re the teenager.

Ohyarlysmiles · 2022-11-04T16:44:27+00:00

I'm a man and boy...long list. We can start with a few of the more glaring errors:

-Any kind of personality traits will materially help you bed a girl fast

-Acting aloof and indifferent somehow makes women like you more

-That all or even most women respond to the same things

Meihuajiancai · 2022-11-04T18:43:48+00:00

The idea that only women will monkey swing or monkey branch or whatever

Men are just as likely to trade up as women are

WideAwake550 · 2022-11-04T21:30:12+00:00

The 80/20 rule just seems way off to me. I’m sure there is definitley some type of imbalance but I’m a regular person and my friend group of regular people has a regular amount of partners. And I just don’t see these people that have absolutley no one or the dudes that are getting extreme amounts of pussy

can’t think of any guys that have never had a partner, tho I know a few who struggle, even then they still date and hook up casually, and even the Chadliest of my friends has had just a handful of girlfriends/partners (that I know of,of course, so who knows)

Idk that’s just my view tho, I’m sure it’s more like 75% of guys get 90% of women and the rough 25% of guys just fine this Reddit 💀

briiiana1122 · 2022-11-04T16:02:34+00:00

Girls being 100% hypergamous. Some girls are, but it’s not a vast majority. You shouldn’t take the ones seriously who are hypergamous

Responsible_File_529 · 2022-11-04T19:33:24+00:00

That a woman’s education/professional skill set doesn’t matter. Women are often the 1st teachers of children. Having an educated woman only elevates your children.

EugeneCezanne · 2022-11-04T16:39:15+00:00

There is nothing distinctly red pill that has seemed true in my dating and social world. At least not since high school and college. I find it hard to understand how full grown men buy into this, unless they were deeply traumatized at those younger ages.

ScrimmyBingusTwo · 2022-11-04T19:32:45+00:00

That women only like macho gymbros

Most women I've seen will choose the skinny, facially attractive prettyboy over the average-looking muscle guy who "holds frame"

Diamond-Breath · 2022-11-05T03:36:57+00:00

That women love to be mistreated. I still cringe everytime I hear a guy say that. I left my ex because he started showing red flags, I would never tolerate an asshole. To the trash he goes 🗑️

On a positive note, my current boyfriend is the sweetest gentleman I've ever known. He treats me like a princess and tells me when I'm wrong, the perfect balance.

Opening_Pattern_301 · 2022-11-05T09:27:59+00:00

Im a man, the truth of women like men who treat them poorly or variations of those got disproven for me when i realized most of those women had issues and werent the princesses u would idealize.

baresquad · 2022-11-04T16:40:30+00:00

All of it, but my favorite is “female nature”

Red pill will like you to believe that all women are these hard to figure out beings that behave and act in a specific way that requires us (men) to study, learn, and apply multiple strategies to be successful in getting casual sex.

Easily disprovable by the fact that if she wanted to, she would. You don’t need to understand “female nature” to fuck. Somebody that wants to fuck you will within an hour or 2 after meeting you if the circumstances call for it.

But red pill is a grift so they have to pretend these things are deeper than they are in order to sell a product.

ex_red_black_piller · 2022-11-04T22:26:56+00:00

A friend of mine who had a bunch of casual sex (and who I thought of as a player) is now married to someone who doesn't care much for him. He has shared his frustrations with me.

RP would tell us that all these players have nothing but options and get dutiful amazing wives. I guess not all.

KlingKlangKing · 2022-11-04T17:33:17+00:00

That looks matter more than personality

NotARussianBot1984 · 2022-11-04T18:36:37+00:00

Dont date sluts. My gf is one, best relationship i ever had. But she's a slut due to high sex drive, while most sluts I've met were due to trauma or need for validation.

YourAverageTurkGuy · 2022-11-05T13:31:17+00:00

You don't have to be a machiavellian asshole just to attract gals

YveisGrey · 2022-11-06T03:17:01+00:00

That men age like fine wine. I think RP grossly overestimates the attractiveness of older men especially in regards to average or below average men. Getting older doesn’t make a man taller, doesn’t make his dick bigger, doesn’t give him a 6 pack or a strong jaw line. Even money doesn’t usually grow that much the average man in his 40s is not anywhere near having the type of money that would be needed to attract a significant amount of much younger women or even women his own age. Average people usually remain average as they age, that’s the reality

bison5595 · 2022-11-06T14:12:07+00:00

Dating single moms. I dated one. It was about as perfect a situation you can have dating one. 50/50 custody, never asked me for a dime, told me I could discipline the child if needed. Was willing to put me first in some situations. Pretty much perfect situation you could ask for when dating a single mom.

Bikerbats · 2022-11-04T19:16:35+00:00

That women only date up, or that single mothers are all looking for an ATM. I'm a living exception to both.

KikiYuyu · 2022-11-04T20:11:40+00:00

Well I'm a woman so I'm living proof that not all women hate "weakness" and can't feel love like men and all that bullshit.

DisasterPeace7 · 2022-11-04T16:11:38+00:00

I've seen exceptions to many, I think one of the sentiments that I've seen quite a few times that goes way too far is when some say that women are incapable of feeling love or whatever, that's bullshit, now I might agree with you if you say that feminists are incapable of feeling love towards men, but that's something else entirely

OhDestinyAltMine · 2022-11-04T16:44:51+00:00

Basically the idea that “Chad” gets the Chad treatment in long term relationships. He just has a slight head start against the grim upstream swim that is the female libido in a state of complacency.

(Not a true redpill sidebar truth, more a general manosphere attitude)

oldcamembert · 2022-11-04T23:21:30+00:00

That "the wall" completely destroys the woman's chances on the relationship market, she becomes invisible and angry, and her only option is cats and boxed wine, and sometimes drunk pity sex from a man her age, who lives his best life.

In reality, I've observed that whilst the quantity of suitors definitely decreases - no doubt about that, the quality increases. And 90%+ of the "quantity" was white noise anyway.

lovestocomment · 2022-11-05T03:51:34+00:00

There are always exceptions to the rule when it comes to these dynamics.

I would say men claiming that woman are the orchestrators of current dating situation for men. That's not true, It's other simp men in power, Simps and dating apps.

TigerRude4 · 2022-11-04T19:21:49+00:00

Hypergamy

_demidevil_ · 2022-11-05T07:52:09+00:00

I don’t even know where to begin. I need a list of “red pill” truths to start with. Generally a lot of Red Pill “truths” are huge exaggerations or fabrications and not remotely representative of my experience when I previously dated men and all my straight and bi female friends. The things they think women care about. The whole view of dating as a “game” where “players” (men and women) have “value”. Dating is not a video game. I know there is a colourful app in your phone but still, not a game. It’s about human connection.

ZealousidealAd7191 · 2022-11-04T17:28:48+00:00

There are exceptions to most rules, thats why we speak in general terms

ApplesauceThegod · 2022-11-04T19:14:14+00:00

Acting like a dude bro basically. I'm a pretty big deal but I have made a lot of good friendships and I spent a lot of potential women just by being me and it still even surprises me. I still feel like a lot of red pill concepts are true for a lot of women but I do believe that whatever perception a woman has on an individual man does play A Part.

Like woman a probably won't do you as Alpha for X Y and Z reasons, but woman B May see you as Alpha for XYZ reasons

My super athletic cousin is currently single and my super fat nerd friend is married so that also kind of makes me wonder if it's all exactly true

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Fun_Push7168 · 2022-11-04T19:14:21+00:00

I've seen exceptions or degrees of exceptions to every bit of it....why is that even a question? There are always exceptions in human nature.

Disproven....none. That's basically impossible.

There may be a couple elements don't describe the majority accurately but they describe a large chunk. The women it doesn't describe accurately typically still have some of that quality in them but it may be a behavior not weighted as heavily as redpill would typically believe with those individuals or it may be an impulse they have chosen to train themselves to ignore.

YveisGrey · 2022-11-04T22:09:58+00:00

Is this an RP truth? That if a woman is hoe no one will marry her or she will be seriously struggling to get married. Haven’t seen this ime at all. Literal pornstars get married. Kim K got married. That woman Superhead got married.

It seems that the only thing that would really prevent a woman marrying is being hideous, extremely anti social (I know a never married woman who developed a phobia of leaving her house and who hasn’t since Covid started) or not wanting to marry. I know a few women who never married and almost all of them were engaged or proposed to and broke it off so… yea I think RP lies to women and men about that one.

LouisdeRouvroy · 2022-11-05T01:18:18+00:00

TRP assumed you would read their sidebar and understand TRP.

That was proven wrong as evidenced by this thread where people claim a that red pill claim was proven wrong yet TRP has never made such a claim (like you need money or monkey branch happens with half centimeter difference in height...)

avarciousRutabega99 · 2022-12-11T11:12:42+00:00

That women cheat to “have fun” or because their partner only provides emotional fulfillment, not physical/sexual.

My brother in christ, MEN cheat for that exact reason! Women cheat if they feel vulnerable/unsafe/ignored in their current relationship.

Source: I talk to men and women.

Title	What redpill “truths” have you seen disproven or at least seen an exception to?
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Date	November 4, 2022 3:55 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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