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She is not, tons of people in marriages will sometimes earn more than the other at different times like she has done, and both people work in most marriages.

Alimony is very rare and yet you think it’s common purely because it is common in your circle. Why doesn’t my social circle count as much as yours? You think yours is more representative than mine, than the women in this thread, and than the studies? What’s your problem with the alimony statistic?

My whole point is men saying how all men fare bad in marriage due to a thing that is very rare, then discounting my scenario as a possibility even worth mentioning since it’s rare (but not even as rare as alimony), makes no logical sense.

You go even further and just claim everyone who says they are in a rare situation is lying. That’s even less logical than my original complaint, and it makes it impossible for me to even argue with you, as you just discount everything as a lie or that I’m the only woman on the planet in this situation, despite multiple men and women just in this thread also being in it. I really have no ability to logically argue with someone whose response to everything is “Nuh uh! No one I know does it, so everyone else must be a liar!” so I guess this is where this debate ends. You win, 100% of people in the world live exactly like you and anyone who claims otherwise is a liar.

I’m still up for hearing why you think I’m the one “selling sex”, and if you think two people enjoying a walk together means one person is selling service to the other, and how to tell which person is selling and which is buying.

[–]Workaholiconew1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

well, these "tons of people" tend to end up divorced if the men cannot earn more in less than a few months, I never seen a non greedy woman. but I wont say they sometimes lack patience, I even seen a girl go a full year as the one making more, before dumping the guy.

I mean... alimony is rare nowadays cause almost none can affort to pay a woman for her spending habits alone (as you clearly put it)... it is way rarer for a woman to accept having the higher income than alimony...no?

again why would I accept a clearly lie when it is clearly bullcrap? I mean I gave you a perfect example... a guy touched you in a train without asking = rape? since when? I am asking you to be more critical of information, particularly if it seems too good to be true.

and well... you are the one "selling sex" cause:

You can cut a lot of things from your relationship and it probaly wont affect it in any meaningful way alone, including affection and companionship, as some women like to say is the reason why we stay... but cut sex, and he probably will act in hostile ways and probably leave altogether the relationship... Showing by trial and error why he really stay. You can test for yourself if you think I am a liar.
People who enjoy their work usually find their jobs interesting, and most people usually like a bit of their job, even if they for the most part hate it... but even when people are workaholics and mostly just enjoy it, it doesnt make employment any less of a exchange of labor for money... just one you enjoy too... likewise, most relationships are like jobs, you can have fun, or not... but as long as the goods and services keep flowing to compensate its negatives, it wont be seriously affected.
There is usually a big difference in how much each person value in a relationship. Particularly when in regards to sex in heretosexual relationships. to most women, sex is a small enjoyment, "a cherry on top" while to men it is so basic, we often regard and work with it as if it was similar to survival needs such as hunger, and in fact, male sex drive is just a bit less. This difference in valuation makes people trade in order to maintain relationship, thats why so many men tolerate almost unredeemable women... they dont feel like they have any other source of this basic need.

[–]Novadina1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

well, these “tons of people” tend to end up divorced if the men cannot earn more in less than a few months, I never seen a non greedy woman.

Well there are multiple on this sub who have been with our partners longer than that. Nice to meet you, now you can claim to have met some normal, non greedy women.

I even seen a girl go a full year as the one making more, before dumping the guy

I’ve been with my partner for 17 years and I’ve always made more or around the same, he has never made more.

I mean… alimony is rare nowadays cause almost none can affort to pay a woman for her spending habits alone (as you clearly put it)… it is way rarer for a woman to accept having the higher income than alimony…no?

Alimony is rare nowadays because most wives work. Yes, it’s much more common nowadays for a woman to earn more than her husband than to get alimony.

and well… you are the one “selling sex” cause:

What am I selling it for? Am I selling it for sex? Sex for sex sounds like a pretty fair trade to me, and not like me “selling sex” at all, which usually means I get money…

but cut sex, and he probably will act in hostile ways and probably leave altogether the relationship…

If my husband stopped having sex with me I would end the relationship as well! So does that mean he’s selling sex to me?

most relationships are like jobs, you can have fun, or not… but as long as the goods and services keep flowing to compensate its negatives, it wont be seriously affected.

What goods and services exactly? So if you have fun in your relationship it means you are selling sex? Or it means you are buying sex? I’m definitely lost.

There is usually a big difference in how much each person value in a relationship.

“Usually”? I don’t know about that. My partner and I are both pretty happy we met each other!

to most women, sex is a small enjoyment, “a cherry on top” while to men it is so basic, we often regard and work with it as if it was similar to survival needs such as hunger, and in fact, male sex drive is just a bit less.

Every woman I’ve ever been friends with likes sex a lot more than that. We talked about it frequently enough when we were young and looking for partners. A man that was good in bed was always sought after! Women will often end their relationships due to a dead bedroom, just like men. Yes, the sex drive of an average woman is not as strong as an average man, that doesn’t mean they don’t like sex much or that they only do it for the man, it just means they don’t spontaneously desire sex as often. And plenty of women have a higher than average sex drive also.

This difference in valuation makes people trade in order to maintain relationship, thats why so many men tolerate almost unredeemable women… they dont feel like they have any other source of this basic need.

Why wouldn’t they just use porn or get an escort rather than be with someone they don’t like? And what does any of this have to do with why I am selling sex? My man would not “tolerate unredeemable women” just for some shitty sex by a woman who didn’t actually enjoy it, it was important to him to find someone both sexually compatible and compatible in other areas for a life partner.

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It’s not that rare, as I already stated. And it’s a lot more common than alimony!

I met many men who paid or pay alimony, but I cna count in one hand the women who stayed with a guy who didnt earn more than her for a year. And exactly one who stayed when he didnt work (mostly because he was a trust fund baby, he didnt need to work).

I don’t sell sex, and would never be with a man who wanted to buy it from me. I actually prefer to be sexually satisfied and see sex is a joint activity we enjoy together. It would be a huge turn off for a man to think I’m providing a service to him with that, rather than that we should both be pleasing each other.

Eh... it is a question of perspective really, in the end we are all just selling and buying goods and services on a market, or at least thats how I see it. You can see it differently, its your imperative.

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I met many men who paid or pay alimony, but I cna count in one hand the women who stayed with a guy who didnt earn more than her for a year.

And since we know statistically that alimony is very rare, this proves my point that the type of people you associate with are types where the men earn more, or earn all of the income even. It doesn’t make it a representative sample. You can count more women just in this thread who earn more. You don’t run in the same crowd as I do, that’s why I’ve seen the opposite since I run in a different group. I only know one person who had to pay alimony, and she is a woman!

Eh… it is a question of perspective really, in the end we are all just selling and buying goods and services on a market, or at least thats how I see it.

If two people are enjoying a mutual activity together - who is the buyer and who is the seller? If you go on a walk around the lake with your partner because it’s something you both enjoy doing - who is selling a service? Why would you say I’m the one “selling sex”?

[–]Workaholiconew1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

And since we know statistically that alimony is very rare, this proves my point that the type of people you associate with are types where the men earn more, or earn all of the income even. It doesn’t make it a representative sample. You can count more women just in this thread who earn more. You don’t run in the same crowd as I do, that’s why I’ve seen the opposite since I run in a different group. I only know one person who had to pay alimony, and she is a woman!

Call me old school, but I was taught to never believe what people say on the internet unless you know them face to face... and well... I dont know any of you face to face...

And lets be real, It is in poorer regions that women would NEVER accept earning more than their husbands... cause they dont have a choice... a man is their only way out of poverty.

If two people are enjoying a mutual activity together - who is the buyer and who is the seller? If you go on a walk around the lake with your partner because it’s something you both enjoy doing - who is selling a service? Why would you say I’m the one “selling sex”?

It is more a way of talk than an actual description, the exchange of goods and services in sexual and romantc relationships is an ancient type of exchange of goods and services, it is agreed in PPD that it is a type of gift economy, a type so ancient some scientists believe it precedes humanity by literal millions of years... thus there is no formal "seller or buyer" but we like to call the one who gift firsts and seconds that respectively,..

Cooperative interactions such as activities that both enjoy (also known as mutual aid) are considered on how much each gain from said activity, because usually people gain different amounts of joy from any given activity, example. Men need sex a need as strong as hunger, while women usually describe it to something slightly better than a bite of chocolate. Thus, the man usually has to pay for the activity, usually in great amounts of goods and services. and thats what we see in normal human interactions.

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Cooperative interactions such as activities that both enjoy (also known as mutual aid) are considered on how much each gain from said activity, because usually people gain different amounts of joy from any given activity, example.

Ah, so since as a woman I get multiple orgasms for every one my husband gets, does that make me the buyer?

Men need sex a need as strong as hunger, while women usually describe it to something slightly better than a bite of chocolate.

What? Have you never seen a woman orgasm? They seem to be stronger than men’s to me… And I have never seen someone have orgasmic bliss from a bite of chocolate! I have never heard this claim by a woman before. I would bet women who claim this are with men who don’t bother to sexually please them, maybe they don’t even know there are men that do that and so have accepted it as the norm.

Thus, the man usually has to pay for the activity, usually in great amounts of goods and services. and thats what we see in normal human interactions.

Can’t say I’ve seen that, to be honest, except with actual sex workers. I don’t know a single woman who is getting “great amounts of goods and services” from their husband and who has sex she barely enjoys as much as chocolate in return. Even my friend who is a SAHM doesn’t have sex in exchange for her husband working - in exchange for that she takes care of the kids and the house and feeds everyone and drives him to work and does the shopping.

I bet the men who think like you probably go into sexual encounters by paying “great amounts of goods”, rather than by making it a mutually enjoyable activity, and the only women who would actually accept that are the ones who don’t actually like sex much, so it’s kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. I know I wouldn’t go on another date with a man who tried to pay me in goods and services rather than eating my pussy.

Cooperative interactions such as activities that both enjoy (also known as mutual aid) are considered on how much each gain from said activity, because usually people gain different amounts of joy from any given activity, example.

So if I enjoy something with my husband and he seems to enjoy it too - how would I determine who is the buyer and who is the seller? When we play a video game together, if he enjoys it more what am I “paying”? And if I enjoy our walk more, what is he paying? Who is paying who when a group of friends hangs out together??

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non-western women have zero qualms about aborting, and killing female babies and children. Women can grow the spine that they use to cull their female children. If women are stupid enough to be "forced" to raise their own oppressor, then they're just that dumb. If women die, everyone dies. If a woman is too stupid to exercise her own power of creation wisely, then she's stupid enough to get dominated by her own creation.
If men are ultimately the issue, logic would dictate controlling how many men exist to create problems in the first place. Western men still kill and abuse women. Western men still kill their wives, girlfriends, and children. It's a male behavior. And it's males that women create.

If women have an issue with the way that men treat them, the simple logic would be to create less of them.

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If graph the birth rates

Low to poor folks: high birth rates

Middle income: low birth rates

High income: medium birth rates.

The reason is poor folks got nothing to lose and so have kids. If your at the bottom only direction is up.

Rich sometimes don’t have kids. Sometimes they have tons of kids. Depends on if it’s new money or old money. Old money has tons of kids because they care about lineage and stuff.

But the trap is the middle. And it’s really a lot of folks who make decent and can afford to have kids. But they don’t because they are envious of the rich and those with status. And are terrified with becoming poor so they only can look up.

So they sacrifice it all. But it’s like those folks at the gym who take steroids.

They sacrifice what truly matters for a false promise.

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Bad idea.

The gap after having kids during what becomes a critical point in their career usually nukes it. Stating later places the critical career points of associate to consultant and consultant to parent in a better spot. The issue is if you start at 22 then by the time your mid 30 you’re trynna have to have kids but that’s also the points where the firms need you the most. Stopping to have a kid is an unspoken no no. And many careers die then. Starting later would place that in your late 30s early 40s with kids who are already grow. So you’ll be able to smoothly finish up and not have those stressors. Thus be able to succeed and catch up + have kids who aren’t in higher risk of autism because you and them at 40 rather then 20 like every other human thought human history.

Even for me I regret not knowing this and are envious of my middle eastern peers who accidentally took this route.

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Porn kills love, porn kills romance. When you masturbate to porn you teach your brain to release dopamine when looking at the faces of strange women you've never met.

When you train yourself to only ejaculate from having sex with your wife or girlfriend, then the face of the woman you love is what you see when your body releases dopamine. This trains you to associate sex with the person you love whereas porn inhibits this.

If you avoid porn and only cum from sex with your wife or girlfriend, you will train your brain to only be able to achieve pleasure with your wife and girlfriend, and this is what nurtures romantic/sexual love.

Porn kills this. Avoid porn especially if you're looking for a relationship.

I used to watch porn in the past. Now even if i watch it, I can' make myself cum to porn. the only way I can jerk off is closing my eyes and imagining my gf. This is true love.

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I've watched porn since I was like 13, never really been single since then, didn't watch much porn when I was having sex. In periods when I was single again, I would watch porn. I couldn't concentrate if I had it built up in me all day. I actually felt good, just rubbing one out in the morning, made me feel more vigorous about getting what I wanted.

I don't really think about it, or care. Porn is nowhere near as good as even just making out and then getting into sex. And it's not harmful unless you are afraid of the realization that you're watching porn because you can't get laid.

I'm not exaggerating, I've watched porn for more than 25 years at this point. But when I'm with my girl, if she's even just jerking me off, I have to try my hardest not to blow my load, so the idea of porn desensitizing men or turning men off of love and real sex is extremely dumb. Just straight sex, I have to literally put in maximum effort not to bust too early. The "porn bad" is just cope from guys who get no play.

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I hear a common option if you are not a looker is to use your personality, but what if your personality is not great as well, specifically you have a bad casual dating personality? It’s not like everyone is born with quick wit, charm, charisma, and that ability to make woman feel special and want to be around you. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve seen it happen with guys who are not lookers, so I know it exists. Problem is those qualities aren’t something you can just get and even with practice it’s very hard to gain them.

I feel like there’s this weird break where woman I talk to think if you struggle flirting and engaging with woman in a romantic manner, then you’re actually just this incel woman hating man, which couldn’t be farther from truth. Some men just don’t have the necessary qualities

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Some men just don’t have the necessary qualities

Yep, I agree, same goes for some women. And it sucks. There are people out there who are just unlucky and are the human equivalent of white bread - they're just okay and that's about all they have going for them. However, what can be done about it? I'm a woman, what am I expected to do for these guys that don't have qualities that make them desirable? Cause I can get behind someone venting their frustrations, but that's pretty much all I can do. Even if I was still dating, I wouldn't date a guy I found was dull and had the charisma of a cardboard box. So what can be done for these people? I'm all for venting, sometimes you just need to let that shit out, but given how much of this sub is basically those undesirable guys complaining, at a certain point if feels like they expect someone to do something. You can complain about the same thing only so many times before it feels like a passive-aggressive call for help.

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Yes they have some amazing things, especially for women. I don't want to go back to a society where women are oppressed and horribly treated and don't have any rights.

It doesn't change the fact they have also done really bad things, especially for men. All I am asking is an acknowledgement that this is the case so we can actually productively cooperate towards a better world however small our impact may be as individuals. But this is seemingly impossible.

Feminist organisations are the reason that male victims of domestic violence still aren't protected in many Western countries. I have never seen a single Feminist acknowledge that this is the case or start a protest to actually change it. Yet when men do they immediately demonise us so nothing ever changes because most people on the left are feminists and people on the right just don't care about anything of that nature in the first place.

The things that feminists achieved have rendered their second claim that women are more disadvantaged untrue in the Western world. Yet they are still spreading inaccurate stories about what society is like which just ends up in a situation where all attention and funding goes towards women despite them being more privileged than men in a variety of situations.

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Final part:

https://archive.is/gT0O6 An article about the experiences of one of the first domestic violence researchers that together with another man and a woman published a study in 1970 that concluded that domestic violence happens equally between the genders. Subsequently they received dead threats and bomb threats. Ironically, feminists especially harrassed the woman and tried to get the university to fire her and/or block her funding. They also threatened to kill her children.

Most relevant quotes from the article:

"Up until now I have focused only on our own research. However, it is important to point out that our findings have been corroborated numerous times, by many different researchers, using many different methodological approaches. My colleague Murray Straus has found that every study among more than 30 describing some type of sample that is not self-selective (an example of self-selected samples are samples of women in battered woman shelters or women responding to advertisements recruiting research subjects; non-self-selected samples are community samples, samples of college students, or representative samples) has found a rate of assault by women on male partners that is about the same as the rate by men on female partners."

And:

The "horror" of intimate violence toward men is somewhat different. There are, of course, hundreds of men killed each year by their partners. At a minimum, one-fourth of the men killed have not used violence towards their homicidal partners. Men have been shot, stabbed, beaten with objects, and been subjected to verbal assaults and humiliations. Nonetheless, I do not believe these are the "horrors" of violence toward men. The real horror is the continued status of battered men as the "missing persons" of the domestic violence problem. Male victims do not count and are not counted. The Federal Violence against Women Act identified domestic violence as a gender crime. None of the nearly billion dollars of funding from this act is directed towards male victims. Some "Requests for Proposals" from the U.S. Justice Department specifically state that research on male victims or programs for male victims will not even be reviewed, let alone funded. Federal funds typically pass to a state coalition against domestic violence or to a branch of a state agency designated to deal with violence against women.

And:

Thirty years ago battered women had no place to go and no place to turn for help and assistance. Today, there are places to go - more than 1,800 shelters, and many agencies to which to turn. For men, there still is no place to go and no one to whom to turn. On occasion a shelter for battered men is created, but it rarely lasts - first because it lacks on-going funding, and second because the shelter probably does not meet the needs of male victims. Men, for example, who retain their children in order to try to protect them from abusive mothers, often find themselves arrested for "child kidnapping."

I hope I gave you enough rescources to illustrate that I am acting in good faith and not making this shit up.

What other inequalities do you believe were caused by feminists?

I will respond to this later.

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Part 4:

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.childyouth.2007.10.004 « The empirical data on these issues were provided by 13,601 university students in 32 nations who participated in the International Dating Violence Study. The results in the first part of this paper show that almost one-third of the female as well as male students physically assaulted a dating partner in the previous 12 months, and that the most frequent pattern was bidirectional, i.e., both were violent, followed by “female-only” violence. Violence by only the male partner was the least frequent pattern according to both male and female participants. »

https://archive.is/QERZp Erin Pizzey, who started the first modern domestic violence shelter was send death threats by feminists after discovering that domestic violence isn't a gendered issue. Feminists harrassed her and shot her dog to intimidate her.

Quotes by Mary Koss, an influencial feminist rape researchers who's definition of rape is still used in multiple first world countries including the US and UK. This definition is then used by feminists to further the narrative that rape is something men do to women or to other men when men aren't even counted in the definition. An example of disgusting levels of misandry:

"Koss: “How do they react to rape. If you look at this group of men who identify themselves as rape victims, as raped by women. You’ll find that they’re shame is not similar to women, they level of injury is not similar to women and their penetration experience is not similar to what women are reporting.” (7:20)

Phung: “For the men would are traumatized by their experiences, because they they were forced, against their will, to vaginally penetrate a women, like…”

Koss: “How would that that happen? By force, threat of force or when the victim is unable to consent? How would that happen?”

Phung: “I’m actually speaking to someone right now. His story is that he was drugged. He was unconscious and when he awoke a women was on top of him with his penis inserted inserted inside her vagina. For him that was traumatizing.”

Koss: “Yeah.” Phung: “If he was drugged, what would that be called?” Koss: “What would I call it? I would call it "unwanted contact”.

“ Phung: "Just "unwanted contact” period?“

Koss: "Yeah.”

“Although consideration of male victims is within the scope of the legal statutes, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders. It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman.” (206-207)

Koss considers women who do not think they are rape victims to be rape victims, but considers male rape victims of female rapists not to be rape victims..

“Dr. Koss says rape is a word with a long history associated with the oppression of women.”

“From prehistoric times to the present, rape has played a critical function. It is nothing more or less than a continuous process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear.”

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Part3:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228350210_Gender_symmetry_in_partner_violence_The_evidence_the_denial_and_the_implications_for_primary_prevention_and_treatment http://www.saveservices.org/pdf/SAVE-VAWA-Discriminates-Against-Males.pdfMen are being discriminated against by the Violence Against Women act.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233694571_In_Dubious_Battle_The_Politics_of_Mandatory_Arrest_and_Dominant_Aggressor_Laws"Under the assumption that intimidated witnesses are reluctant to testify against their abuser, district attorneys began to adopt “no-drop” prosecution that circumvented victim cooperation. The 23 states that call for mandatory arrest allow the least amount of discretion, with statute language that ranges from vague, as in Colorado (“probable cause to believe a crime of domestic violence was committed”), to more specific, as in Washington where police can arrest when there is probable cause to believe a person 16 years or older within A, B, C, D, E the previous 4 hours assaulted a family or household member and believes (1) felonious assault occurred, or (2) assault resulting in bodily injury occurred whether injury is visible or not, or (3) any physical action occurred which was intended to cause reasonable fear of imminent serious bodily injury or death. (Hirschel, 2008, pp. 19–20)"."

And when mandatory arrest laws were instituted, the arrests of women skyrocketed.

"In California, men in 1987 were arrested at a rate of 247 per 100,000, whereas women were arrested at a rate of 74.8 per 100,000. By 1997, the rates had increased only 136% for men, or up to 338 arrests per 100,000, but as much as 500% for women (DeLeon-Granados, Wells, & Binsbacher, 2006). Feminists welcomed the rise in male arrests. However, despite evidence that “political and/or organisational pressure may discourage officers from arresting women as aggressors” (Hirschel & Buzawa, 2009, p. 5), they found the sharper spike in female arrests of concern."

So, in order to counter this, feminists worked with policy makers to institute "predominant aggressor" guidelines which allegedly attempted to curb the arrest of victims by taking into account the “relationship behind the assault”."Again, many of these factors are vague, not easily interpreted and of dubious value. “Age, weight, and height of the parties,” and martial arts training are only relevant if the individual actually uses these advantages in an aggressive way. Men are usually bigger and stronger than women are, but most men do not abuse their partners, and there is no correlation in the general population between a person’s size and strength and the extent to which they abuse intimate partners, including among same-sex couples (Renzetti, 1992). When men are assaulted, they often refrain from striking back, both out of fear of being arrested and the code of chivalry. ... A man who is larger and stronger than his partner may have the potential of causing greater physical damage, but this factor is irrelevant unless he actually uses this to his advantage, just as the smaller woman has the potential to obtain a gun and kill him. The reader will notice that for weapons, officers are asked to consider their use, but not so with size and strength. In this respect, there is reason to suspect that the choice of criteria may be prejudicial to men (Sacks, 2010).""

The gender bias found in both the California and Maine trainings is blatant, indeed. However, considering the process by which dominant aggressor laws were put on the books, one should hardly be surprised. Laws protecting victims from domestic abuse were enacted not by abused men or men’s rights groups or disinterested bureaucrats, but through the efforts of battered women’s advocates, some of whom had previously been victimized in their own lives, and by feminists concerned broadly with the oppression of women (Mills, 2003). It was feminists who fought for the creation of dominant aggressor guidelines, and they did so explicitly to stem the rising tide of female arrests, on the grounds that domestic violence is a gendered problem. This view, based on a feminist analysis of patriarchy and sometimes referred to as the gender paradigm (Dutton & Corvo, 2007; Dutton & Nicholls, 2005), has had a profound influence on policy and intervention."

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Part2:

the Duluth model was created by Ellen Pence who was a feminist. She openly states:
As a group we have been an important part of a historic social movement. We were the first grassroots group to break through the barrier of institutional resistance to establishing community-monitored interagency policies (including policies mandating arrest, promoting aggressive prosecution, imposing increasingly harsh penalties on repeat offenders, and requiring a feminist based educational model for abusers).
The Duluth Model characterises domestic violence as being a primarily male-perpetrated crime caused by "patriarchal terrorism", theorising that men are socialised in a patriarchal society that makes them feel entitled to have power, dominance and control over women. Supposedly, men who batter are using violence to to maintain their individual and societal patriarchal dominance over women.
Quote by the domestic abuse intervention act in the US:
"We still live in a sexist society where women are devalued, where many men believe they are entitled to be in control in an intimate relationship, and where men who batter believe they have the right to use violence. While it is a goal to change the attitudes of men who batter, the ultimate goal of the Duluth Model has always been to ensure that victims are safer by having the state intervene to stop the violence and address the power imbalance inherent in relationships where one person has been systematically dominated and subjugated by another."
The Duluth Model currently reigns as the most commonly state-mandated model of intervention. While many approaches to intervention include a mix of the Duluth Model's feminist analysis of DV and cognitive behavioural therapy (which is a more holistically-oriented approach to DV that maintains that DV is associated with cognitive distortions and faulty attitudes and beliefs), most existing intervention programs as well as state laws and guidelines that regulate IPV intervention still espouse key aspects of feminist perspectives on IPV etiology and intervention.
In 1999, Ellen Pence, in her book "Coordinating Community Responses to Domestic Violence: Lessons from Duluth"

came out herself and admitted that she and the DAIP staff involved in Duluth were driven by ideology. She wrote:
"The Power and Control Wheel, which was developed by battered women attending women's groups, was originally a description of typical behaviours accompanying the violence. In effect it said "When he is violent, he gets power and he gets control." Somewhere early in our organizing efforts, however, we changed the message to "he is violent in order to get control or power." The difference is not semantic, it is ideological. Somewhere we shifted from understanding the violence as rooted in a sense of entitlement to rooted in a desire for power. By determining that the need or desire for power was the motivating force behind battering, we created a conceptual framework that, in fact, did not fit the lived experience of many of the men and women we were working with. The DAIP staff - like the therapist insisting it was an anger control problem, or the judge wanting to see it as an alcohol problem, or the defense attorney arguing that it was a defective wife problem - remained undaunted by the difference in our theory and the actual experiences of those we were working with. We all engaged in ideological practices and claimed them to be neutral observations."

"Eventually, we began to give into the process that is the heart of the Duluth model: interagency communication based on discussions of real cases. It was the cases themselves that created the chink in each of our theoretical suits of armor. Speaking for myself, I found that many of the men I interviewed did not seem to articulate a desire for power over their partner. Although I relentlessly took every opportunity to point out to men in the groups that they were so motivated and merely in denial, the fact that few men ever articulated such a desire went unnoticed by me and many of my coworkers. Eventually, we realised that we were finding what we had already predetermined to find."
https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-2909.126.5.651 « Meta-analyses of sex differences in physical aggression to heterosexual partners and in its physical consequences are reported. Women were slightly more likely (d = –.05) than men to use one or more acts of physical aggression and to use such acts more frequently. Men were more likely (d = .15) to inflict an injury, and overall, 62% of those injured by a partner were women. »

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Feminist organizations aren’t in charge of the legal system or even the DV shelter system.

They are whether its directly or indirectly. Never heard of the Duluth model or the Violence against women act?

Source needed.

Unfortunately the link to the best summarizing source I had has stopped working, I will try to look for it later. I will still give some others for the time being:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233717660_Thirty_Years_of_Denying_the_Evidence_on_Gender_Symmetry_in_Partner_Violence_Implications_for_Prevention_and_Treatment An article on how scientific evidence of gender symmetry in domestic violence has been denied or manipulated in order to portray it as a gendered issue when it isn't in favor of the feminist ideology. This has hurt male victims immensly.

« The first part of this article summarizes results from more than 200 studies that have found gender symmetry in perpetration and in risk factors and motives for physical violence in martial and dating relationships. It also summarizes research that has found that most partner violence is mutual and that self-defense explains only a small percentage of partner violence by either men or women. The second part of the article documents seven methods that have been used to deny, conceal, and distort the evidence on gender symmetry. »

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10989615/ A study which mentions how feminist academics use samples that aren't representative of the overall population to rationalize their ideological beliefs.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0190740907001855 An research article that found that domestic violence is equally prevalent between the genders.

"These results, in combination with results from many other studies, call into question the assumption that PV is primarily a male crime and that, when women are violent, it is usually in self-defense. Because these assumptions are crucial elements in almost all partner PV prevention and treatment programs, a fundamental revision is needed to bring these programs into alignment with the empirical data."

https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.5042/jacpr.2010.0141/full/html A study that looked into domestic violence induced deaths including domestic violence induced suicides found that more men actually die as the result of domestic violence. This is in contrast to the feminist narrative that women are more likely to die as the result of domestic violence.

https://doi.org/10.1007/s12119-013-9194-1 « This annotated bibliography describes 343 scholarly investigations (270 empirical studies and 73 reviews) demonstrating that women are as physically aggressive as men (or more) in their relationships with their spouses or opposite-sex partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 440,850 people. »

https://academic.oup.com/bjc/article-abstract/44/3/324/471260?login=false Example of a terrible research article that uses non-representative data to reach a flawed conclusion which essentially comes down to circular reasoning. The authors also criticise a non-feminist approach for using self-reported data while themselves also using self-reported data and dive into some very weird logic of claiming the severity domestic violence depends on how bad it is perceived only to then reach the conclusion that women are bigger victims because they perceive domestic violence aimed at them as worse than men do. This article of terribly quality has about 800 citations and the author is viewed as an authority within the field.

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These sources show the burden of domestic violence on men, but they don’t show that feminism has restricted DV resources for men or made their situations worse.

Before feminism, DV wasn’t even against the law. Feminists fought every step of the way to criminalize spousal abuse and marital rape, as well as provide resources and homes to women who were leaving dangerous situations.

By fighting to criminalize spousal abuse, feminists laid the groundwork for men to get justice for domestic crimes against them. Feminists have done tons to aid men’s fight. DV shelters are typically private entities, often funded by churches and nonprofits. Men’s activists need to continue rallying support for more facilities and increased investment in male DV supports, just like women have for more than a century.

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These sources show the burden of domestic violence on men, but they don’t show that feminism has restricted DV resources for men or made their situations worse.

They do, Reddit forced me to divide my comment in multiple parts.

Before feminism, DV wasn’t even against the law. Feminists fought every step of the way to criminalize spousal abuse and marital rape, as well as provide resources and homes to women who were leaving dangerous situations.

That's irrelevant, its about what they are doing right now.

By fighting to criminalize spousal abuse, feminists laid the groundwork for men to get justice for domestic crimes against them. Feminists have done tons to aid men’s fight.

You're really gonna be this biased while I spend hours collecting sources for you. Just wow honestly. You've just proven my point right.

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Men should continue fighting for DV supports, just like women have. Their positions don’t run counter to each other. To make change happen, men don’t need to convince feminists that DV is a problem for men; they need to convince other men that DV supports for men is something worth investing in and taking seriously.

So feminists doing immoral things in the domestic violence industry is completely fine and acceptable appearantly. Men don't actually have a lot of power in society to change these things. It's straight up victim blaming because men don't actually get any funding to do anything.

Their positions don’t run counter to each other.

If you has actually read my sources you would have realised that this isn't the case in practice and that we have feminists to thank for that.

[–]liefelijk1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Every source in your first comment is about symmetry of violence, not feminists preventing men from getting justice. Most feminists today argue that women are more likely to be seriously injured or killed by DV, not that men don’t experience it at all.

As I’ve said, DV shelters are not part of some centralized feminist network. Many of them were started back in the 1970s to support DV victims who had little income to establish a safe environment for themselves or their kids. At the time, that was mostly women. Mothers still make up the majority of primary caregivers, so they’re still more likely to need financial supports when leaving. Women are also more likely to seek DV resources, since it’s less stigmatized for them.

I agree that more needs to be done to support men who are leaving violent situations. But that’s not thanks to feminism. It’s thanks to many other inequalities within our world.

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The fact that DV shelters exist at all is thanks to feminism.

You don't know that.

That most focus on women and children is a symptom of unbalanced caregiving and breadwinning, not a malicious plot cooked up by feminism.

Straight up bullshit and I gave you the sources to prove that. It also doesn't matter whether it's malicious or not. If an ideology causes suffering to a group of people that is an issue. Which you continue to deny despite all the evidence I gave you.

Most feminists push for greater access to housing for poor people and the homeless, regardless of the situation that removed them from their homes. Obviously there are some exceptions, since not every feminist holds left of center views. There’s a wide variety of policies pushed by feminist groups within our country, and many, many more variations when we look throughout the world.

I don't care. I am done with this conversation because you're clearly not capable of accepting any criticism of feminism and are just unable to be objective when it comes to this topic. All you have done in this conversation is prove my original comment right. All you did was deflect the conversation and straight up lie about the content of the sources I gave you. But thank you for ruining my mood anyway.

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We do, actually. Research the history of DV shelters and the massive growth that occurred in the 1970s (led by women’s rights groups), as well as their advocacy for legal penalties for spousal abuse.

You don't know what an alternative history without feminism would have looked like. You don't know whether DV shelters could have been implemented by an alternative movement had feminism not existed.

It's also pretty weird to me to brag about being sexist and frame that as a positive for men because those shelters were only for women. It's basically female nationalism because there is no objective reason as to why women should care more about other women than men and vice versa no reason why men should care more about other men than women.

Also what is the relevance?

If your sources had actually shown that feminism had prevented male access to DV support or penalties

They do show that but you're conveniently ignoring them. It's not about the past either it's happening in the present.

instead of providing supports and penalties where there previously had been none)

This is some very questionable moral logic because it suggests that everyone is allowed to act however immoral they want free of any criticism after they did one good thing in the past. I guess black people can't have valid complaints about racism since white men invented modern medicine. I guess Africans can't have valid complaints about colonialism because Europeans gave them infrastructure and rule of law.

You're basically telling me that feminists/feminism can't be blamed in the slightest for what they are doing in 2023 because they were the first to open some DV shelters in 1970. So apparently in your view there is nothing morally questionable about the dismissal of male victims, the ignorance of scientific evidence to push an ideological narrative, the intimidation of researchers, the huge gap of funding between male and female victims and the framing of an issue that isn't gendered as gendered? Do you actually believe this is perfectly acceptable or were you more concerned with defending your ideology at all costs instead of acknowledging that your ideology has issues and flaws like all ideologies do?

Also I wanna point out that this conversation started with you telling me that a core claim of feminism is caring about equality between men and women. Regardless of your opinion on whether feminism hurts men, its pretty clear that what feminists have done when it comes to domestic violence has absolutely nothing to do with equality between men and women. When an ideology claims to be for equality but acts consistently against that claim it has issues. I don't see how you could deny this.

In order for feminists “to admit” that they caused men to have worse DV supports, they actually have to agree that’s the case.

Yeah maybe thats exactly the problem. Most feminists won't agree with any criticism of their movement no matter how much evidence you provide to back it up. If you can't admit to things that are observably true then you're either extremely biased or in denial.

Before feminism, none of these supports or penalties existed at all, meaning that men today are better off than those who came before.

I guess that means I have to continue living with barely any protection or support if ever get stabbed by a woman because any change of this situation is being blocked by feminists with power.

I guess I will feel so utterly gratefull though that feminists invented DV shelters in 1970 for women only while I am contemplating suicide after an abusive women ruined my life again. I have already experienced this once in my life but I'm sure I just wasn't grateful enough. /S

[–]liefelijk1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

We don’t live in an alternate reality, though. We live in this one. And in this one, DV shelters came out of activism by women’s rights groups.

You should understand that men in the 1970s were very hesitant to even admit they suffered DV, let alone seek out a shelter that catered to it. That’s still a problem today, exacerbated not by feminists but mostly by conservative women and other men.

DV shelters were created for those who were seeking them out, who were and still are majority female. That’s not the same thing as the majority of DV victims being female. But when few men seek out DV shelters, there will be fewer male-focused shelters available. Right now, most men who leave abusive situations don’t bring children with them, so they often seek out homeless shelters rather than DV shelters. That’s obviously not a good solution, given the lack of security often found in homeless shelters. As men become more willing to discuss their experiences with domestic abuse, I expect more men to seek out DV shelters.

Right now, the majority of people seeking DV shelters are female. There are many factors that contribute to that. Gender norms are a major one, as men typically do not want to admit that they have experienced DV committed by a female partner. That needs to change, but it will be a long road. Right now, people against feminism aren’t the ones discussing social changes that would bring that about.

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No one has asked. And I didn’t think it was necessary. Most things humans have invented have a lot of issues.

Whenever people here point out the issues with feminism it rarely gets acknowledged and people literally try to gaslight you.

This is confusing. What are the things? When did all men unite and have a meeting? What does feminism have to do with this? Why aren’t those issues important for everyone, or are you expecting feminists to fix them?

To give an example, self-proclaimed feminists shaped the domestic violence industry in a way that severely harms male victims in many ways. I'm not expecting feminists to fix anything else than to act in a way that doesn't actually harm me because of my gender. This includes feminists not actually doing such things and other feminists actually calling this out and acknowledging that this is a problem instead of making the conversation revolve about feminism and themselves.

Can you give me an example? How could you hurt my identity, and why would you want to? What does this have to do with “the issues”?

Most feminists here are more concerned with protecting their identity of being a good virtuous person in the story that they tell themselves than actually caring about the ways in which men have been hurt by the ideology they support.

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And calling someone a literal Nazi is demonization.

I agree. But that's not what I did. I made the comparison to the Nazi's because they too sounded nice in name and practice but it didn't matter in practice. When people criticise feminism they constantly refer to the dictionary definition just like you did while ignoring what happens in practice. In essence it's expecting someone to never say anything as long as the dictionary says it is good.

The men's rights sub has said some pretty questionable things as well.

Yes, and when it happens it gets called out, down voted and removed by mods. However I still agree it has some issues which is why I went to leftwingmaleadvocates which literally has zero misogyny yet still gets demonized as being a hatefull place.

Listen, whether it is about women's rights or men's rights, either way, "this other side has no points" is a poor way to go about it. I've seen people on both sides use the tactic, like you just did. I personally understand more the issues about women's rights. I didn't used to understand myself until I went through adult interactions in college as a woman.

This is just straight up gaslighting because if you actually look at my first comment I didn't do that at all.

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No I didn't say "feminism is bad" I said feminism has issues because it has done bad things. I didn't say it only did bad things.

I don't know where to go myself or what to advocate for when it comes to women's rights without supporting some form of dictionary feminism.

I find that understandable but that's not an excuse to dismiss criticism of people who call themselves feminists. You're telling me that your need to cling to a dictionary definition is more important than men being protected from domestic violence?

I'd be happy to support an actual cause for men's rights like intactivism in the US, but you didn't even mention anything like that as your comment went on. You just went "feminism bad"... Like, what am I supposed to say about that?

Because a part of men's suffering is either caused or amplified by people who call themselves feminists. Maybe you should call out other feminists and actually acknowledge the issues it has instead of getting defensive and making it about you and your identity as a feminist?

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If you didn't saw the post on this sub about domestic violence towards men you should check it out.

Basically what happens is feminists will empathise with individual men who suffered from domestic violence and claim they care about male victims but then do absolutely nothing to protest feminist organisations and academics shaping the domestic violence industry in a way that men end up utterly fucked while women get all the protection available. There is really no other way than to perceive that as virtue signaling with no action which ironically what these same people accuse men of doing.

And it's often even worse than just doing nothing because those same people often buy into sexist and unscientific narratives about domestic violence based on manipulated statistics. When you say anything about what is going on, your point is misrepresented and demonized effectively blocking any progress on getting more protection for male victims.

Its a regular occasion on this sub to be gaslighted into oblivion by ppd women that your issues with feminism are self fabricated and all inside your own head and therefore not real. Meanwhile these people are completely ignorant to what is actually going on when it's extremely easy to actually check things out for yourself.

I am sick and tired of having to have the hundredth conversation about how feminism isn't a monolith and how demonising them is bad while my issues as a man are either ignored or made worse by people calling themselves feminists. Why do I have to care about "feminism not being monolith" as if people being hurt by that are somehow more important than men literally getting no protection when they are victims of domestic violence.

It's actually pretty fucking easy to help men and also yourself and your own movement. Don't misrepresent people who criticise feminism as all wanting to take away women's rights. Acknowledge that feminism has done things that are completely contradictory to actual equality. Don't just believe what other feminists tell you and actually examine the evidence. Don't gaslight men when they are saying true things that you can easily find out for yourself but refuse to do.

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No, it’s not that. It’s that the game has changed. The days where just trying to find a girlfriend got you a girlfriend are somewhat gone. Nowadays, the way to a relationship is either to be as attractive as possible, and attractive enough that women would be willing to have casual sex with you since so many relationships are precipitated by casual sex, or to do a lot of painstakingly misguided work that doesn’t amount to a relationship.

Guys want to take the route that produces results. And, being attractive enough that a woman is willing to sleep with you outside of commitment is usually that way that produces results. The reason being is that not many women are having casual sex with a man who they wouldn’t at least halfway considering dating seriously, so if a man can get into a woman’s bed, he knows he has a halfway better shot at finding a girlfriend, than if he couldn’t.

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Excerpt from NRA article:

A while back, our sister publication NRA Family asked a 27-year Army marksmanship instructor for his thoughts. His reply was:

“As a military logistician, my units had around 20 percent female personnel in both officer and enlisted ranks. All the women fired Expert their first day, but less than a third of the men did so. Several men had to re-train and repeat the course to qualify. This pattern continued when the 9mm replaced the .45 in 1985, until I retired in 1997. It also appeared that differences in musculature and hand size had no effect on the scores.”

So what did make the difference? Says Col. Haynes, “Told how to hold the gun, that’s the way they held it. Told to look at the front sight, that’s what they looked at. Told what I thought they were doing wrong, their first instinct was to believe me.”

So, our first male gun instructor says that yes, women are better shooters, and his theory is that it’s because we listen.

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They also have routinely taken credit for women's inventions.

Also not true in the slightest. Are you for fucking real? Hetty Lamarr pioneered the technology that formed the basis of today's wifi. You wouldn't even be able to comment on this post without her invention.

Marie Curie was a scientist - yes, she worked with her husband, but he clearly saw her as an equal in both value and intelligence.

Why would there be a history of women inventors when men have insisted for so long that women do not have the mental capacity?

Those with the power to write history write it the way they want. Women have not had the power to make their inventions known and many times men would take credit for their wives achievements not because they believe their wife didn't deserve it but because they knew that society would not take it seriously if there were a woman's name on it.

Then again you commented on another post that women need nothing else but to be skinny and have a pretty face so it's very clear that you just don't like or respect women as equals.

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I think there are lots of explanations here.

The thinker in me asks do women consume trash, or is trash by defined by who is consuming it? E.g. do we judge this media harshly not on its own merits but because the primary consumers are women? Personally I do think YA and mystery/thrillers are mostly trash, but both can be at play here
The contrarian in me says - men also consume a ton of trash, especially in science fiction. And for god sakes, how many arctic disaster "histories" do you truly need to be an informed citizen of the world. And productivity books also count as self help, not as though men are immune there
The pick-me in me says that I read plenty of non-fiction - mostly histories (love me some Dan Jones and Barbara Tuckman), biographies, essay collections, health and medicine. But 80% of what I read is fiction. What can I say? I enjoy the fake made up stories. Especially from those Russkies.

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I think this needs to be nipped in the bud. Enough with the alimony takes because the males who always bring it up have no idea what they’re talking about.

“Women who cheat on you get alimony!” NO.

If you have proof (it has to be actual proof. Not “dur, dur, I think my wife was cheating me”) that your wife was cheating and present it to the court alimony will most likely be cancelled. Even if the woman files for a no fault divorce. The fact that you all choose to ignore this that tells me you’re just regurgitating manosphere bile that you happily ate for whatever reason.

Second in the majority of divorces, alimony is not given. Only 10% of divorces end in alimony. That’s 9 out of 10 cases where alimony isn’t given. Stop with the talk about how “alimony is given out to every divorced woman and women walk out of the courthouse with money bags like Scrooge McDuck” bullshit.

Alimony is mostly given to stay at home moms who have sacrificed her career to stay at home raising kids and washing her husbands shit stained underwear. If you don’t want to pay alimony. Don’t get a woman who you want to be a SAHM.

Third, there are only like 5 states in the whole 50 United States where common law marriage is a thing. If you don’t like common law marriage move to a different state.

Lastly, alimony is not unjust at all. Unjust would suggest that women in the position of the provider doesn’t have to do the same thing. In this situation, if the genders were reversed and the woman was the bread winner who worked 40 hour and the husband was a stay at husband working 15 hours a week and divorce. She would still have to pay alimony for him. That’s not unjust.

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The assumption is final and cannot be challenged in court. The only exception is if the husband immediately rejects the wife's baby and contests paternity at birth.

Immediately at birth?

But then YOU say that some states allow for up to a year and you know of one that goes to two years...

So are you lying in the first statement or the second?

Also, you claim extensive research and yet had no idea about a Texas amendment coming from the .gov of the attorney general's office that states, in cases of mistaken paternity, the legal father can, in fact, terminate their parent child relationship and no longer have to pay child support. No where does it say there is a timeframe, nor does it say if you were married when paternity was established you aren't eligible.

That's pretty good fucking evidence, but of course, you need more. Unfortunately, you're going to have to do some more "extensive" research if you want those answers, I've done my part.

Ultimately, if you don't want to believe it, fine, there's nothing out there saying you have to accept the facts of any situation...

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