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[–]empresa_josefina15 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I’m going to use income inequality as an analogy for why PPD discussions are pointless.

User A: Data suggests that income in the US is largely determined at birth, nearly half of people born to poor parents will remain poor source

User B: well that can’t be right, I know a guy who was homeless and became a millionaire. Also look outside, I see random poor people with a roof all over their head all the time. Also that study looks like BS, 3000 people is not representative of the whole country. Also are you suggesting that employers should give poor people free money; that’s communism! Also if poor people would put in the bare minimum, they could climb income quintiles, if you haven’t left your quintile it’s because you’re hardly trying. Also why do people chase income so much anyway, it’s not that important, yes I’m not in the bottom quintile but if I was it wouldn’t bother me.

Edit: Also you are not entitled to money.

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Who says it does jackshit?

Tons of guys say their dating lives improved reading redpill content (Mark Manson Models, the Game, Kevin Samuels, etc) and fundamentally redpill just talks about dating economics, see sexual market value.

When I was growing up, even good-looking guys would occasionally simp. However Chads these days are ruthless, one dude I know will date 4-5 women at once and not spend a penny.

I’d argue the game has changed due to the pills. Most guys in my town work out and wear the oversized fuccboi shirts with the fuccboi haircut, short on the sides and big up top.

All that being said, just like a skinny dude who has never held a baseball bat would never make it in the big leagues no matter how many stats PhDs were helping him, no goober 5’6” computer nerd is going to take a girl off of a jacked 6’3” dude no matter how many game books he’s read. Doesn’t mean the analysis is useless.

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You and I get into these long-winded discussions that go nowhere because you move goalposts and talk in circles.

You cycle through the circlejerk counterarguments I presented in the OP once you’re cornered, or you set up strawmen like “if no one is willing to fuck you for free…” to imply men here are advocating sexual slavery. You honestly think there is no alternative to modern dating besides sexual slavery? I guess any criticism of women’s dating choices suggests their liberty should be taken away? You know what, the next post about how men need better hygiene, I will say that women are trying to make men slaves, ANY hint that I should be expected to do chores when I don’t want to is slavery. Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds?

Ok let me test to see if you are capable of engaging an argument in good faith. Imagine I just posted a thread about how height filters screw short guys. I then suggest that dating app companies should remove all height filters, which would lead to more and better relationships all-around. Please refuse this argument without saying I’m complaining, calling me an incel, minimizing the importance of the problem, suggesting I want to force women into sex slavery like your earlier response, etc. Solely address my argument about height filters.

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Using IRS data for over 40 million children and parents, Chetty’s research seeks to answer the question: Is the United States really the land of opportunity? The research measures mobility based on the odds of a child from the bottom 20% of the income bracket reaching the top 20%. Chetty explains this measure as a quantifiable articulation of the American Dream: do children born in poverty have the opportunity to make it to the top?

The overall results of the study demonstrate that the United States ranks particularly low compared to other developed countries. As Chetty states, “Your chance of achieving the American Dream is nearly twice as high in Canada relative to the United States.”

More striking however is the difference in economic mobility between geographic areas within the United States. The research looks at economic outcomes for children who grew up in the bottom 20% based on region. The interactive map demonstrates the average outcome for “commuting zones” or areas relatively close to particular metro area. The visualization calls attention to differences in opportunity geographically across the United States for low-income children.

While those in higher income households tend to not be impacted by location, geography matters for children growing up in poverty. Metropolitan areas such as Memphis, Tennessee, Charlotte, North Carolina and Atlanta, Georgia rank lowest in economic mobility. In Memphis, only 2.8% of children born in the bottom fifth will ever reach the top fifth. In these areas, being raised in poverty significantly affects the chance of achieving the American Dream.

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I read* Casanova's memoir and thought it was surprisingly dull. There's not much about seduction-- women just kind of fell into his arms, including several pairs of virgin sisters who were naturally very happy to share him!

He was good at creating circumstances where women could be alone with him, so they could do what they already wanted to do, lol.

Casanova says he was not handsome, but his face was memorable and worked in his favor. I guess his main "HVM" quality is confidence and scheming his way into high society, he's never passive, hesitant or stagnant.

His memoir is a bunch of convoluted and sometimes fucked up adventures with lots of little details about life in 18th-century Europe, which might be interesting if you're into that.

*No, I didn't, I listened to this very abridged audiobook. But the full book is like 500 pages, and that's still the short version. https://youtu.be/oNhyLKUjRec

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I don't live paycheck-to-paycheck I just don't spend much money because free time, and time to create > going to Paris. And hell all the time I spend creating could very well make me wealthier than the Capitalist bots grinding for that "coveted 6 figure income," without having to sell myself out like that
We all die. So many people really don't truly realize this. My old self is cool with being poor if my young self can make more memories, go for bigger goals, because of that. I'll be a happier old man with a beautiful old wife, than the alone old man in a 4000 sq. ft. home who has a sugar baby visit him once a week. My happiness is intrinsic, which is superior given that external happiness can be taken away.

But I get it. Being an "Account Manager for a F500" gives a lot of people a sense of accomplishment. I mean, the owner of your company gets most of the profit derived from your output, but hey, y'all like making the rich richer while they enslave you and give you shit about taking time off to see your kids' basketball game or talent show. It's cool.

I'll just be busy being elsewhere, doing my own thing, and not feeding the system

[–]AquaChip5 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

⁠I don't live paycheck-to-paycheck I just don't spend much money because free time,

I never said you did?

⁠We all die. So many people really don't truly realize this. My old self is cool with being poor if my young self can make more memories, go for bigger goals, because of that. I'll be a happier old man with a beautiful old wife, than the alone old man in a 4000 sq. ft. home who has a sugar baby visit him once a week. My happiness is intrinsic, which is superior given that external happiness can be taken away.

That’s fine you can live in your fantasy world but I’m 26. When I get to 65 there will be no social security I can retire with. So either I save now or I’ll be forced to work until I’m 90.

But I get it. Being an "Account Manager for a F500" gives a lot of people a sense of accomplishment.

It’s not about that. That’s what’s the matter with anti-workers. You all think everyone who wants to make a comfortable living and not struggle are just social climbing and looking for validation through work. My job is just a job. Nothing more nothing less it pays the bills, allows me to save and do the things I want to do. I don’t care about prestige. I care about not living in poverty and not having to wonder how I’ll get $1000 dollars to fix my car.

I mean, the owner of your company gets most of the profit derived from your output, but hey, y'all like making the rich richer while they enslave you and give you shit about taking time off to see your kids' basketball game or talent show. It's cool.

Man, I don’t give a shit about who is enslaving who. You’re using the word enslaving wrong too. You can leave a job. You can’t leave slavery. I digress. I’m there to do the bare minimum that my job requires, collect my check and leave. I’m pragmatic. I don’t fantasize about how the world should be, I live how the world is now.

I'll just be busy being elsewhere, doing my own thing, and not feeding the system

You’re on a smart phone commenting on a billion dollar app. You’ve already fed the system. No need to be pretentious.

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You misunderstand this "being wanted for your money" thing. Almost everybody here does. You're only a beta bucks if there's a big age gap or she doesn't like you otherwise.

In all of other instances, money is important to create balance and to plan ahead. It's one of the biggest reasons for relationship problems. It has nothing to do with being wanted for your money. Couples of similar socio economic ability (and) education have the lowest divorce rates.

That's great if you only date wealthy women. This is not the norm however. Women don't like to marry down.

Sex is cool but it's the only thing. Money is necessary for a healthy life style. I don't even know what you mean by superior genes or intelligence. Anybody can claim that - it must be applied in your profession for people to believe that

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it must be applied in your profession for people to believe that

Tell this to the girls I've met lol. Highly intelligent people recognize that highly intelligent people do not need to apply it to a profession to be it. I only get spoken to like I'm intellectually inferior because of my earning power by people who... are intellectually inferior. Because a lot of people have this pretty simplistic mindset, but few who are highly, highly intelligent does. I've said it here before but my IQ score is 162.

That's great if you only date wealthy women. This is not the norm however. Women don't like to marry down.

Because I went to an Ivy-equivalent college, look like a Chad, and have a lot of game. At a certain point, I realized how much work sucks, and made a kind of conscious effort to just try to be so sexually desirable I don't really need to do it to get women. I'm in the process of building things that could lead to lots of money, but also may not--many people pick the surest route to decent cash, to get women. I stay away from that mode (it's beta). If you really want to know, I make 60k. I'm 24. I'm not, like, waiting tables. Lol. (Though ironically my highest pay ever was from a waiting job, where I made what equates to 80k, or post-inflation six figures--but only over 3 months).

In all of other instances, money is important to create balance and to plan ahead. It's one of the biggest reasons for relationship problems. It has nothing to do with being wanted for your money. Couples of similar socio economic ability (and) education have the lowest divorce rates.

I make enough for me. I could transition and make enough for 1 (just 1) kid. No money for her. So if she makes enough for her, and 1 kid, there's no issue. My specific background has seemed to repel girls who did not go to top-tier colleges, so every girl I've gone on a date with in the past 18 months has been at or above that threshold. I live a minimalist lifestyle, so I would want a girl who does that too, anyways.

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Tell this to the girls I've met lol. Highly intelligent people recognize that highly intelligent people do not need to apply it to a profession to be it. I only get spoken to like I'm intellectually inferior because of my earning power by people who... are intellectually inferior.

Too mumbo/jumbo and cliché tbh. Sounds cool but reminds of that comic shop owner in the Simpsons who reportedly has a very high iq but feels superior to everybody else despite being a massive loser. Reality will hit sooner or later.

Because I went to an Ivy-equivalent college, look like a Chad, and have a lot of game. At a certain point, I realized how much work sucks, and made a kind of conscious effort to just try to be so sexually desirable I don't really need to do it to get women. I'm in the process of building things that could lead to lots of money, but also may not--many people pick the surest route to decent cash, to get women. I stay away from that mode (it's beta). If you really want to know, I make 60k. I'm 24. I'm not, like, waiting tables. Lol. (Though ironically my highest pay ever was from a waiting job, where I made what equates to 80k, or post-inflation six figures--but only over 3 months).

Even people who don't have to work pick up some work because it's in our instinct to do something meaningful.

made a kind of conscious effort to just try to be so sexually desirable I don't really need to do it to get women

You're 24 so your perspective makes sense. You will crash hard at some point if you keep going like this. Time flies fast and you will lose your looks just like everybody else. Heck, I'm a dude and lately I've started to prioritize a woman's personality over her looks. I won't give hot chicks the time of the day if they're annoying. And there's a lot of them.

many people pick the surest route to decent cash, to get women. I stay away from that mode (it's beta)

I've already explained that. It's only beta if guy has money and tries to attract a woman who doesn't have any money. Everything else, people of similar socio economic potential (or at least without a huge discrepancy) coupling up is just assortative matching.

I make 60k. I'm 24. I'm not, like, waiting tables. Lol. (Though ironically my highest pay ever was from a waiting job, where I made what equates to 80k, or post-inflation six figures--but only over 3 months).

Then, what are you talking about ? Your argument seems to be "I don't care about money as long as I have enough money".

Lol, well, yeah, no shit. I'd agree with that as well. That means be both still agree that money in itself is very important. And 60 k is a great salary. You can even live comfortable with something like 40k.

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Too mumbo/jumbo and cliché tbh. Sounds cool but reminds of that comic shop owner in the Simpsons who reportedly has a very high iq but feels superior to everybody else despite being a massive loser. Reality will hit sooner or later.

Eh it's not my side with the superiority complex. It's more, like, a dude with a 110 IQ that does something like Mortgage stuff and banks 100k at my age, will think that makes him the shit lol. When in reality, he's just trading his 20s for money.

Even people who don't have to work pick up some work because it's in our instinct to do something meaningful.

Yeah, I do non-work things I find much more meaningful than my actual work. So I would agree there--I just don't find satisfaction from dollar bills like some do. To me it's just paper (or in the modern day, numbers on a screen).

You're 24 so your perspective makes sense. You will crash hard at some point if you keep going like this. Time flies fast and you will lose your looks just like everybody else. Heck, I'm a dude and lately I've started to prioritize a woman's personality over her looks. I won't give hot chicks the time of the day if they're annoying. And there's a lot of them.

Not any harder than I would crash any other way lol. By time my looks fade hopefully I already have a family and whatnot anyways.

I've already explained that. It's only beta if guy has money and tries to attract a woman who doesn't have any money. Everything else, people of similar socio economic potential (or at least without a huge discrepancy) coupling up is just assortative matching.

But if she needs you to achieve at a certain level, what if you don't? What if you fail? What if she gets a promotion and you don't? I'd rather that just wasn't my selling point at all, because who's wealthy can change over time.

Then, what are you talking about ? Your argument seems to be "I don't care about money as long as I have enough money".
Lol, well, yeah, no shit. I'd agree with that as well. That means be both still agree that money in itself is very important. And 60 k is a great salary. You can even live comfortable with something like 40k.

I mean it's pretty average, and right now I'm unemployed lol that job starts in like 6 weeks. Prior to this I was on 40k and under my whole life. 60k these days is, like, just going to cover my rent, food, and a little retirement funding. It's not really the cheapest place to live. There'll be scores of dudes making more, and barring my side pursuits 'taking off,' there's not a ton of potential for growth... prob top-out around 80k. Which, like, yeah I do understand--people make less than that. But in the bracket of girls I've always dated, pretty much every dude does better than that lol. It's just never going to be "my selling point" and I don't really want it to be, either.

To be honest though I should probably start changing my wordage and whatnot around money. I still kinda talk about it like I'm at those 40k-and-under jobs, without a penny to my name lol. Probably once I actually start the next job, it'll "sink in" that I'm not practically destitute anymore lmao

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It's really gonna depend on the frat and when you're there. The frat I was in, if it was a party, people would have been an asshole to you (unless you were a known face via being friends with a brother). If it wasn't a party, well you'd definitely have to be a friend of a brother but we would have been pretty chill to you too. Individually in a class or shit we'd have been nice too. Normal dudes, just in a frat lol--can be pretty intensely cliquey tho hence the "gtfo" mentality of brothers at parties (not as much me, but others).

Other frats at my school, same story. Being in a different frat basically makes you a GEED at other frats. Some frats and people in them were super cool and chill, others were either pretentious, too exclusive, or that kinda thing. Sometimes it'd even be the same house on different days, or the same house but run differently when a new PC "takes charge" of e-board. Universities love to hate on frats but imo there's as much variance in them as any other large group of students in a social club lol.

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Lmao they deleted yuk's comment referencing the "uncensored version" of this sub.

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Is it just the same drama from here still going on?

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In my country you get free prescription drugs. But that’s nothing to do with gender I’m afraid.

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Oohh. Is that tied into insurance? The US medical system hurts my brain it’s so complicated haha

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Think that’s a particular issue in the US. Calling the Dems left always makes me wince.

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The USSR's height of power was under Stalin, when the central planning was at its strongest and market reforms virtually non-existent. Their decline was under a series of liberalizing reforms, and it would ultimately be a total market reform that would cause the former Soviet Union's largest dip in both economic peformance and quality of life.

They are similar but there are important differences. Industry in China is generally either state-owned or answers directly to the party and land is entirely state-owned with leases that the party can readily revoke, all this being pursued with the theoretical aim of building up national and international industrial capacity to allow socialism, which is at least somewhat in line with Marx's thought. That said, the criticism The fact the wartime economy of the nazis entailed a great degree of state control over industry isn't remarkable, as that's more or less standard for a war economy. Nor does nazi authoritarianism over industry indicate socialism, unless you're going to call Pinochet a socialist.

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Yup. I live in a country with free university tuition, free dental check ups, free eye check ups, free healthcare in general, free baby clothes and books when you get pregnant and is it fuck communist 😂😂

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There will always be a poor. There will always be crime.

Obviously, but there are countries with dramatically less poverty and crime. It would be a bit premature to just resign yourself to the idea that it's unchangeable, without even looking elsewhere for ideas on how they've managed to fix the problem.

So is saying “Fatherless homes cause crimes”. There’s no fucking to that either

Of course there is, if you compare the rates of single parenthood now to what it was historically there's been a dramatic upward trend over the years. Clearly something caused that change, which means that thing can be addressed.

Growing up with two parents increases the likelihood the next generation will have both parents present as well. And economic and educational opportunity can help break the cycle.

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Obviously, but there are countries with dramatically less poverty and crime.

There’s also countries with less young men.

without even looking elsewhere for ideas on how they've managed to fix the problem.

Urban areas and bad local/federal policies,

Clearly something caused that change, which means that thing can be addressed.

We don't pressure people to get married nor force them to start married. That’s extremely obvious. Are you going to force people to be married?

Growing up with two parents increases the likelihood the next generation will have both parents present as well.

And having less young men around drastically decreases the chances of crime happening.

How you gonna fix that? You going to somehow force people to be good parents when they don't want to be?

Bringing up fatherless homes is just as stupid as bringing race and gender.

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There are no countries with less crime than the US where the gender ratio is markedly different from the US.

The USA does have a higher birth rate than those other countries. As well as more massive urban areas, where most crimes are committed.

Two people don't need to be married to raise a child responsibly.

And if they dont want to raise the kid responsibly?

They just need to stay together or at the very least co-parent and be involved in the child's life.

And if they dont want to?

You also don't need to "force" people to be good parents if you provide them the material and psychological well-being to afford and realize what should be common sense.

We had less mental health resources back in the day and we had more two parent households.

that you're supposed to take care of your kids.

And if they dont want to?

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A lot of cities in developed Asian and Scandinavian countries are spotless, clean, and safe.

Let me guess…places with high taxes and lower birth rates than the USA. also, those places tend to be smaller. America has local areas that are spotless clean and safe….. people are leaving those areas because they’re expensive. However, we do have high tax cities with a lot of crime, but that’s more due to bad policies such as not taking crime seriously.

It's not like they know things that we don't, cultural discipline can be cultivated.

What the fuck does that mean?

The socio part of socioeconomics deals with cultural attitudes that can modify human behavior through peer pressure and societal shaming.

How are you going to do that? You’re not going to force change unless you use government force, which is not going to happen.

But you can make a large enough majority if they're able and provided with the right incentives and upbringing.

How? Because it seems you’re just give me empty platitudes with no plan.

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Leftist woman here dating a guy earning 25% less than me. Can confirm.

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Am I? Do you have the stats? Or are you basing this on ✨v i b e s✨? From what I can see online, 40-50% of women seem to earn the same or more than their partner. Seeing as men on average earn more than women, this seems pretty reasonable to me. No?

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Lol, liberalism is not even remotely about equality of opportunity. It's about equality of pandering to marginalized groups hoping they can make enough people feel like they're marginalized to win an election with 51% of the votes based on 51% of people feeling like they're in the minority of unprivileged people, the 49%.

I don't want communism, liberalism, or conservatism. They all suck. I would like an algorithm to run the world, place everyone into jobs based on a formula that maximizes individual and societal happiness, and a strong societal-communal structure wherein "not doing your part" is akin to self-ostracizing yourself. "New ideas" to improve society can be installed with a combination of AI generating and instituting them, and a team of people selected specifically for that task--also through the algorithm.

Capitalism, in general, is a race to the bottom--quality of product, service, etc deteriorates because it's all about doing everything "cheap" rather than "right." I want a society whose focus is on doing things right--and I would want this society to just get rid of anyone who isn't contributing to that. We have too many people anyways.

The max net worth, for the biggest contributors, should be about $1m. The minimal net-worth should be a 1BR apartment with two people living in it. Everyone should have a right to fall somewhere in that spectrum, and any "extra" accumulated should just be allocated to things like preserving the human race for the long-haul: space travel, immortality research, etc.

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I think The opinions that people have regarding this topic differ depending on what their idea of what relationships are supposed to be.

You have some people who don't really care about much other than companionship and loyalty. They don't care whether their partner loves them or not. They just want their partner to be with them and be faithful.

You have some people who care about love, the "one", and "soul mates". These people want to believe that there is a deeper and more significant connection to their partner than is more than just being around and being faithful. They want to feel special and that they were chose for a specific reason that is regarding only something special about them.

I can understand someone being offended by being told that they're a safe option, however, disregarding the actions and effort that someone simultaneously put a significant amount of effort and consideration into is also belittling of clear intimacy within a relationship.

Personally, at the end of the day I think that people need to take more consideration into what people SAY and DO.

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I’ve noticed that people are treated differently because of their sex, even in situations where it doesn’t make sense. It’s easier to point out by saying that even though my sex is female, and I share some similarities with other females, but I would appreciate if that wasn’t the most important thing people see me as. And I wish gender identity was just seen as it is, one side of me, not as a huge team I need to represent everywhere I go.

It’s always disappointing when someone tries to understand or include me by saying “you women”. More often than not, they bring up features that have more to do with culture, family background, education, political stance or hobbies than they have to do with being a woman. And my sex should only be relevant in a handful of situations. I believe that if we could accept that it’s rarely important to point out sex, and that gender is something quite personal to many, people who now feel like outsiders, could feel more included and connected to others.

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It’s always disappointing when someone tries to understand or include me by saying “you women”.

Okay, bigotry exists. Just like people will be shitty to you based on other things about you. I have been called the N word quite a bit.

More often than not, they bring up features that have more to do with culture, family background, education, political stance or hobbies than they have to do with being a woman.

Yes, Bigots are typically stupid.

And my sex should only be relevant in a handful of situations. I believe that if we could accept that it’s rarely important to point out sex, and that gender is something quite personal to many, people who now feel like outsiders, could feel more included and connected to others.

Depends on where you live and who you socialize with, that’s already been accomplished. You just have to accept some people are stupid.

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I think it’s reasonable to decouple your biological sex and your expression of broadly gendered behavior.

But that’s gender EXPRESSION. That’s more broad and diverse than gender.

The part I find more concerning is the underlying assumption that not perfectly confirming to all stereotypical expectations of your particular sex means you are in some sense not actually a particular sex.

Agreed.

A “tomboy” is a girl who has a masculine gender expression but she still is fine being biologically female. She doesnt get dysphoric having boobs, period, and having she/her pronouns.

A boy should be allowed to be a femboy without people thinking he should transition or do drag shows.

Biological sex and sexual orientation, for example, are very highly correlated but not the same thing.

Could you elaborate? Are you saying like a straight woman would prefer someone with a penis regardless of gender? Because I think a study came out that gay men were more into trans men than trans women, but I have make sure.

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Could you elaborate?

I’m just saying the fact that gender and sex are very highly correlated isn’t a rebuttal of gender as a concept. Being a man and liking women is also very highly correlated, but that doesn’t mean we can’t segment out

But that’s gender EXPRESSION. That’s more broad and diverse than gender.

Sure, but imo it’s basically the primarily relevant factor to gender. I often see gender subdivided into sex, gender expression, and gender identity.

Obviously we agree sex is pretty much fixed, and I think there’s an issue with identity insofar as it raises a question as to why someone would accept a particular identity absent some issue like gender dysphoria. Some subset of trans activists argue you don’t need to be dysphoric to be trans, but that means the only variable piece of the equation left is pretty much your expression.

It’s kind of a messy situation.

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Being a man and liking women

But that’s because most people are heterosexual, so it never had anything to do with biological sex. Because people are heterosexual, which means they most likely like the opposite gender.

is also very highly correlated, but that doesn’t mean we can’t segment out

What you’re talking about is heteronormativity, the assumption everyone’s straight because 97% are. That actually has nothing to do with biological sex except which sex you want to bang. If the person’s a male, there’s a 97% chance he wants to be sexual/romantic with a biological female.

Sure, but imo it’s basically the primarily relevant factor to gender.

But that varies more between eras and countries than gender itself. In 99.99% of cultures, there were just two genders: Man and Woman.

Obviously we agree sex is pretty much fixed, and I think there’s an issue with identity insofar as it raises a question as to why someone would accept a particular identity absent some issue like gender dysphoria.

100%

Some subset of trans activists argue you don’t need to be dysphoric to be trans, but that means the only variable piece of the equation left is pretty much your expression.

And those people are dangerous. The primary reason to fight for trans rights is that its something they cannot help, just like homosexual cannot be converted to be het. Dysphoria is a severe condition that typically requires permanent changes to their bodies to mitigate the angst the condition causes.

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Reddit fell off so hard when r/fatpeoplehate was banned.

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If you're good looking yourself then it makes sense. Despite the prominent narrative on this sub, most women are aware of their "league," and unattractive women don't trust the intentions of much more attractive men who hit on them,

I will vouch for this. Though I want to add a little more nuance.

I have the easiest time forming "real connections" with girls who look similarly good as me (girls who are about a 7, sometimes 8, in most cases).

Women who are 5s and below pretty much exclusively fall into 2 camps --> will throw themselves at me, or curve me hard af

I feel like a lot of dudes take this as "wow that 4 thinks she's a 9 omg her ego is through the roof she just rejected me and I'm soooo much better bro it's crazy!" But like nah, man, put yourself in her shoes. If a really hot girl came up to you basically expecting you to simp for her, would you be thrilled about that or be more like "yo fuck that bitch bruh wtf, so entitled."

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I’m saying shit like that can happen. But it’s also what people daydream about more than it happening. And way more than AWALT. And the women that are like that probably are chasing ballers or dumb enough to follow lyrics thinking they are real (men aren’t the only fools) So acting like this music gives you some “truth and insight”? come on bro.
Some girls cheat. Some guys do too. Does it make All women like that? Does it make all men? No.
But “hey there are a certain type of toxic people that it’s best to stay away from, but the majority won’t, but we aren’t perfect either” doesn’t sell. So you give the people the persona and make the baller money

I’m not mad at them. I buy and stream their music myself. I just didn’t act like “this is the guide to how to life life and treat women”
That’s just stupid.

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Some girls do. A lot don’t give a fuck. And that’s why you get RP dudes online going “why Are only dudes all up on my when i got my BMW?!” Cause the “fantasy” was get car/get girl. Not “some women are into it and I found one that was but not all are, but that’s not conducive to this song or getting you to buy my music so I can make payments on this lease!”
You are still just confirming what I was saying. You are buying into what you want. What you want to hear and what you want to believe. Abd that give you a “AWALT” but even a few comments with me breaks it down to “ok well not all, but some! That means it’s true still tho!”
Ok, bro. Follow “pills” cause that’s real. Or as real as the movie they took it from and missed the point completely.

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yea. well hero's journey isn't necessarily chosen one tho. 'Chosen One' is focused on the uniqueness of the individual and that they're the only one capable of achieving the task. It can be implemented in many ways including hero's journey or taming a beast. in a romance. The draw of the trope is feel special and important, which are generally things people like to feel.

It's also definitely not the most popular and common archetype in female centered literature or even romances as a whole. I can't think of many romances that follow this story line. Beauty and the beast, which you mentioned, I've never seen twilight but from everything I know about it, it also follows this trope, and.... idk, fifty shades of grey? (although she's not super successful in "taming the beast" in that one). Point being, there are plenty of different tropes that appeal to different sensibilities. Ik the trope exists, but it's definitely not the first thing I think of when it comes to female centered literature and romances, maybe it's more popular in female erotica tho. I think of love triangles mainly for romances. Woman in the center of two or more men who are obsessed with her... It all boils down to wish fulfillment.

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As someone who suffers from a mental illness asociated with a PTSD disorder, I find being labeled as “homophobic” ironic. Not only is not DID even an illnes, just a condition, they can get cost free surgery, hormone treatment and theraphy. In the meantime, I got to pay for my medication and theraphy fees from my own pocket.

Saying my opinion will get me banned, shunned and outcast socially. More ironic, no one has given me so much coddling when I was about to lose my life in domestic violence or when I was suicidal not too long ago. Being depressed for years gets you - “get over it, it’s nothing serious”, while feeling a wrong gender gets you pitty these days.

Nobody posts about the other victims of the systems - war veterans, domestic abuse victims, children in foster care; with the same passion as transgender people have gotten in the last couple years.

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What subreddit are you on? That’s basically half the chat.

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He said “complaining about not being able to get a girl”. It doesn’t matter what the reason is (dating is difficult, magical curse, hypergamy) you are still complaining about not being able to get a girl. It’s pretty rife. I don’t really think what you’ve said negates anything I said tbh.

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Yeah, but I think the science around bringing them back is horrendous. There’s a reason they’re repressed. Leave them be.

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I think most are early 20s where it doesn't matter as much. Either that or they think it matters but just not as much as physical qualities.

I think that explains it. I can't see how you're in your late twenties or above and not realize the importance of having a good job for your health and how it impacts your relationships as well.

ust listening to women here I see more examples of women saying they won't date a man if he isn't a certain height or doesn't have the right face or if his dick isn't big enough than I do of them saying they care about his income. Stuff like "I make my own money, but I'd never compromise on height or face preferences" or "No amount of money makes up for a tiny dick."Yeah there are women with income preferences/standards but they rarely seem as absolute or unwavering or passionate as they do when talking about their physical requirements.

Dude, don't listen to what women on the internet they say. Or at least don't give it too much weight. I'm a guy who thinks that a lot of the manosphere is bs but at the same time you have to understand the motives of women who frequent forums like this. One,those are extremely non-neurotypical women, they're outliers. They're often frustrated women as well. So what comes out of their mouth isn't the truth. It's an attempt to feel better about themselves. They're usually unattractive as well. A lot of unattractive women are mad at the fact that looks are more important for women whereas men have way more leeway and are able to better themselves through many means. So by saying they won't compromise on a man's attractiveness, it's just an attempt to gaslight men here. Don't take it seriously. Hope you're following.

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Title	Daily Community Chat Megathread
Author	AutoModerator
Upvotes	9
Comments	1655
Date	June 9, 2022 6:00 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/v8mra8/daily_community_chat_megathread/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/PurplePillDebate/daily-community-chat-megathread.1116631 https://theredarchive.com/post/1116631