The majority of younger women (18-24) are NOT attracted to old men 30+

Embarrassed-Foot403 · 2023-04-08T16:02:49+00:00

We all know this study and it shows women under 30 do not think 30 year old men look the best: https://imgur.com/gallery/u5KgKJY This is always ignored and men focus on the twin study that shows how they are attracted to 20 yr olds at all ages.

I don't doubt that most young women are not interested in dating older men, but I really have to to wonder how the question was posed. For example, without any other modifiers, men are likely to read "attractive" as being "physically attractive", whereas the results suggest women were likely responding to "attractive" as in "attractive as a mate".

I have a lot of trouble believing that typical 40-45 year old women are more attracted to the typical "dad-bod" of a same aged man than to a much younger man likely to be in better physical condition.

As women get older and become more successful financially and career-wise, they seem to begin to place less importance on physical traits and sexual stamina in long-term partners, and more importance on their social status and wealth. That could explain why most women hate age-gap relationships; young women who date older men are directly competing for a limited pool of desirable older men, and have obvious advantages over their aged female competition.

I don't believe that women become more physically attracted to older men as they get older. I think 40-year old women are no more physically attracted to most 40-year old men than 18-year old women are. The fact that most single women choose to drop out of the dating market once they reach a certain age instead of settling for "undesirable" older men seems to be consistent with the idea that women do not become physically attracted to a broader range of men as they get older.

Teflon08191 · 2023-04-08T19:00:21+00:00

Because it is so blatantly obvious that younger women are not interested in older guys

Tell that to all of the younger women who are with older guys I guess...?

abaxeron · 2023-04-08T14:47:42+00:00

There is a reason guys have to be sugar daddies and pay young girls to date them. The proof is in reality.

You may not believe it, but young men also pay young women to date them / have sex with them.

The right conclusion here is not that younger women don't like older men; it's that women don't like men. Every point you make can be shown to direct towards this, and not your, conclusion.

Thus, the whole rant is pretty much self-refuting on all points.

The age gap estimate you seem to be throwing around is about marriage, not dating. Show me a line in family code that says marriage is about spouses romantically liking each other. And then, if you happen to find one, look up how many lines per it actually dictate the norms around property.

11.2 percent of marriages in the US have 6-9 years age gap.

5 percent - 10-14 years.

2.5 percent - 15 years or more.

Thus. 1 in 5 marriages in the US have a man at least 6 years older than his wife.

YesNoDegrees · 2023-04-08T13:47:10+00:00

I guarantee you that if you lined up 100 random men ages 20 - 30 and guessed their ages, you’d be wrong a majority of the time. There are plenty of 30 year olds that look mid 20s, and conversely there are 20 year old dudes that look like they’re going on 40. So it’s certainly not because of looks that women are dating in their age-range.

md8716 · 2023-04-08T14:47:53+00:00

Dudes aren't trying to hook up with most younger women, just maybe a handful of them.

That's the difference between a confident man's perspective and a neurotic woman's perspective. A neurotic woman sees she has a <50% chance and gives up. A confident man sees he has a >5% chance and likes his odds.

raldabos · 2023-04-09T03:49:40+00:00

The majority of women aren't attracted to the majority of men. So yeah you're probably right.

No-Rough-7390 · 2023-04-08T13:38:23+00:00

The apex fallacy is a funny thing because when it comes to men ditching their wives for the hot young secretary (something incredibly rare these days and becoming rarer by the minute) it’s super commonly brought up.

However, when we parse data like this we want to say that any older guy (even 30 compared to 23) is some old crusty fat slob as opposed to a tall, in shape, well to do man.

First thing, I’m in my early thirties as are my friends and we can easily pass for mid 20s if we shave. So aesthetically, the main issue would be the gym. When I was 28 I had 0 issue dating 22-23 year olds, one’s family even took me on a trip to Mexico with them. No one had a problem with it.

Next, the way I see this data is that ANY man can be found attractive enough by a woman, there just needs to be mitigating factors. Why is a 35 year old guy considered and self reported as attractive to a 35 year old woman as opposed to a 30 year old woman? I’d say that a major underlying factor is the perceived power and leverage by a woman that she’d have over a man her age and that’s why it tracks the way it does over time.

Anecdotes aren’t data, but in my late 20s one of the women I was dating was in her 40s and one of the key factors per her was my physique and the way I looked.

A 35 year old dude in great shape won’t “look” 35. Maybe it has to do with the piss poor shape of most adults these days, so it’s understandable but let’s say a 30 year old woman meets a 30 year old guy. His appearance and shape, statistically, won’t vary much from a 35 year old. If anything, the main difference will be that he is less economically free.

JSears90210 · 2023-04-08T18:55:08+00:00

So yeah stop proclaiming your preferences when they are not reciprocated.

Lol.

Don't have preferences guys. OP gets to have preferences and prefer a certain type of man but you don't get to have preferences.

Swiping on 30+ year old's guys on tinder elicits zero attraction in me as a 21F whereas 21-23yr old's I see many guys I'm attracted to.

She speaks for all women of course. Her preferences in dating are true for every single woman her age on dating apps. Just like every single guy has a single dating preference.

The Age Gap discourse is so fucking tiresome. Yes most women are not falling over themselves to date older men. Maybe 15-20% of women are open to dating someone 7-10+ years older. (Open to it but not primarily concentrated on it.) Before online dating apps the barrier of entry to find younger women to spend time with was incredibly hard. OLD has made it a whole lot easier to connect. The percentage of younger women that are open to dating older men is relatively low but the number of women you come across on dating apps is quite high. The city I live in is very diverse and when I was on the apps I dated women of many different races/cultures, different religions and also a very wide age range. Many people have an open mind and are attracted to a very wide variety of people. Some like the OP do not. Either way is fine. Just don't speak for everyone.

BTW I am not someone who thinks that a handsome, successful, functional 40 year old man with many options is going to be happy in a relationship with a 20 year old. But he will be happy in a relationship with a 28 year old. He also will probably have some hookups after the age of 35 with some women who are between the ages of 20-25. It just happens. As it does when you are a younger man and occasionally hook up with an older woman.

Sofia_sticated91 · 2023-04-08T14:48:18+00:00

Majority of my dates in the past year have been women 22-24 and more than half the times, they were the ones that asked me out. I am 31.

From the time I was 24 to now, majority of my dates have been that age.

Women, just like men, are shallow and if they like what they see, they don't care.

SlashCo80 · 2023-04-08T14:45:41+00:00

I really don't understand why this discussion keeps happening when it's just a bunch of pointless generalizations that don't help anybody. Have you spoken to all women in the world and found out they aren't attracted to older men? And even if it's true for a majority of them, so what? People will date or reject whoever they want. What's the point of saying 'most people are x or y'?

It's not even true by the way. Take a 25-year old who's overweight, balding and unemployed and put him next to a 35-year old who is in shape and has a good career, you're seriously gonna tell me the 25 year old is more attractive?

Missinput5 · 2023-04-09T01:56:34+00:00

I am 🤷‍♂️

Graaarg999 · 2023-04-08T16:18:53+00:00

As long as they think i'm 28 It was never a problem lol. If you get bald and fat thou Is game over

Preme2 · 2023-04-08T15:37:59+00:00

There is a reason guys have to be sugar daddies and pay young girls to date them.

This applies to the majority of relationships. Relationships are transactional, but people attempt to cover it up with “love”.

Age gap relationships are even more transactional. Very visually transactional and people, mostly women, are uncomfortable with that reality. Additionally, when men date a much younger women, this signals that women’s desirability decreases with age. A high value guy is choosing to forgo a woman his age for a younger woman. Women’s insecurities are thrown back in their face.

The whole concept behind a guy dating a much younger woman is rare. However, if people choose to do that legally, then it’s none of our business. She’s an adult, he’s an adult, mind your business.

LordPeppino · 2023-04-08T16:25:09+00:00

Women here are really salty about this issue, huh?

VehementlyDrawn · 2023-04-08T13:36:44+00:00

Chads are rare & women will bend on age to still get a Chad. Men will not do the same. Idk why women are so delusional about this.

daddysgotanew · 2023-04-08T14:38:16+00:00

I don’t know why women are so invested in trying to prove this. Yea, most younger girls aren’t. But a lot are. Let’s say a solid 75 percent are not. That means 25 percent are. I was recently fucking a 23 year old and I’m 31. She left me for guess what? An even older dude with a cooler job.

It happens.

RP-MJ · 2023-04-08T14:15:32+00:00

"I would know because l actually AM a young women"

Therefore your words are Gospel Truth right ?

"because 30 is not the peak peak for men"

Most men reach their financial peak around their 30s

"2.3 years in the US"

If we strictly talking about the us but world-wide it's clearly a different story especially for older generations so we can't fully determine this by averages in the US

Am not gonna say if younger women are attracted to older guys or not but l am going to make a point in that women always date up with age

In Teenage years: the 17yo girl dating the 19yo guy

In adulthood: the 30yo women dating the 35yo men

Later in life: the 62yo women with the 75yo men

Now regarding huge age gaps 9+ years, it was common in the older generations but not in the Millennial or GenZ generation so you are right on that part

WowYouMustBeJoking · 2023-04-08T15:44:07+00:00

You almost got it. The right way to put it is "The majority of younger women (18-24) are NOT attracted to MOST old men 30+", and then you are correct.

They are attracted to high-value men, if the value is high enough, those 30+ men can be more attractive than 20+ men (not necessarily physically only). As for the rest of what you said - sugar dating is used by all men who have money, not just old men. It just so happens that young men usually don't have as much money. But that's the main reason there's fewer of them, not that they don't need it. Most younger men get laid less than older men.

Most importantly, when men say what they are attracted to, it is what it is. They don't need "justify" their attraction. And the fact that women aren't attracted to most of them is irrelevant here and doesn't affect what men are attracted to, so I'm not sure why you needed to mention that at all. Was it just to rant?

frappuccinoCoin · 2023-04-08T16:26:17+00:00

I'm a guy in my mid 30s, I've had more younger girls interested in me in one year than my entire 20s decade.

You can write a wall of text with studies all you want. Won't change what I'm experiencing every day.

t-D7 · 2023-04-08T15:11:22+00:00

so why is my friend who is almost 40 (is 39 years old) together with a 21 year old? Explain.

MxMaster9907 · 2023-04-08T15:49:55+00:00

There’s this huge myth that men age like fine wine… yeah its total bs

40% of men are obese and 70% are overweight.

30% of men will lose most of their hair bu age 30s

Most men don’t use skin care products

Women aren’t attracted to old men for he same reason men are not attracted to older women, most people age terrible and with most of is having to work tu pay our bills there’s very few people with the time and money to take care of themselves. Plus people overall just stop giving a shit after age 30

2023-04-08T14:57:08+00:00

That's not my experience as a man

bootyhunter69420 · 2023-04-08T16:13:01+00:00

Seems like a lot of women date older men because they are "more established". Or they claim to be too mature for men their age

BigGaynk · 2023-04-08T16:44:19+00:00

You have not disagreed with anyone and everyone is in agreement with you. Do you not realize this?

SecondEldenLord · 2023-04-08T17:27:53+00:00

A lot are actually, but to older men who have status and money.

AreOut · 2023-04-08T21:00:26+00:00

25yo women are way more interested in me now when I am 40 than when I was 25. The reason is that now I look much better, I play guitar(much better), I do sex much better(tantric massage makes wonders) and now I am top 1% in my country financially while back then I worked for an average salary. I am also less sex-thirsty and more sexually compatible with 25yo girls because when I was 25 I wanted to have sex multiple times a day but majority of 25yo girls aren't interested in that, at least not every day.

"There is a reason guys have to be sugar daddies and pay young girls to date them."

this is absolutely not true, while the money helps it's ultimately how you make a girl feel

asf666 · 2023-04-08T22:46:42+00:00

I'm 30 years old, most girls who are attracted to me are in their early twenties.

Coolio_Street_Racer · 2023-04-09T05:18:38+00:00

Average Age is 3 years. For the average person. When RP says women like older men. They like above average older men. The fact that they are older is always a con. But the fact that they are above average compensates.

So yes, the average younger women doesn't like the average older man. But the above average older man still has a shot with the average younger women.

rantsincognito · 2023-04-09T06:11:10+00:00

I would know because I actually AM a young women

Your entire CMV is invalid because you are apparently a dumb child according to yourself without the necessary experience to speak on this topic.

Pushpullvictim · 2023-04-09T06:22:19+00:00

Well i must be a real stud because i’m 42 and in the past 3 years had a 19 yr old, 23 and 24. Yes u have to present well enough,but it’s more about attitude and putting yourself in situations to meet these chicks(bars)

James_Cruse · 2023-04-09T12:41:05+00:00

This is hilariously out of touch - this is clearly from older women who have sour grapes that men their ages (in their 30’s) are wanting to date younger women.

Here’s a few points:

ALL MEN OF ALL AGES are MOST attracted to 18-22 year old women. It doesn’t mean those same women are mutually attracted to those men, but that’s the reality.
Mens’s attraction is NOT A CHOICE - it’s a biological compulsion - embedded and hardwired into men’s DNA to be attracted to younger women.
I’m in my 30’s and I know many single men in their 30’s who only date very attractive women in their early 20’s and are very successful at it.

So this who post is not well informed by real life. If you think this rhetoric will change what men are attracted to on a biological level - you’re dreaming.

It’s a real problem that so many women are so delusional in thinking that culture/words/the media/schools can somehow FORCE men to change what they’re naturally attracted to - it makes no sense and is very ill-informed at best, dangerous at worst.

LoneWanderer_11 · 2023-04-09T13:42:30+00:00

Because your average old man is a chump. Of course we do not talk about an average old dude.

shrimp_dicks · 2023-04-08T13:51:31+00:00

Women only care about looks?

revente · 2023-04-08T17:53:06+00:00

You’d be surprised. I studied ona female dominated faculty thus most of my friends were girls. There was a substantial amount of them who’d say that this or that professor is hot.

And even if it’s not the majority of girls who’s attracted to an older guy -an attractive older dude still has a favourable odds.

Since most older guys are either married, out of shape, dress in dad clothes or simply don’t hang in places when they could meet with younger girls(like clubs).

So if only 10% of girls is open to dating an older guy, for 100 competetive guys in 20-30 cohort, there are only a few competetive guys in the 30+ cohort.

Personally I’m an in shape 35 yo dude who who goes to a lot of techno raves and i get approached quite often by younger girls. Arguably more often than when i was 20+.

East-Rip-181 · 2023-04-08T19:41:00+00:00

This actually proves another point. A creep is just a guy who you don't find attractive I have had more sex with 18 year olds at 30 than when I was 18

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tritter211 · 2023-04-09T05:40:33+00:00

PPD women, you REALLY need to give up this hill.

The majority of young women don't like old men, yes. But ENOUGH YOUNG women do and that's all that matters (something like 15%-25% depending on the area). In NY, its probably even more than that range.

All men care about is 20-26 and that's more than enough. No man is offended that a barely legal or 20 year old didn't find him attractive. But almost all the friends I know have hooked up with 22, 23, 24 year olds atleast once. (I am talking about NY, Chicago, LA, SF, Dallas, Atlanta, Toronto, New Orleans more specifically. So this might not happen in smaller states and maybe you are right in those flyover states. Special mention to Portland. Its like practically the hotspot for crazy hookup culture from my experience where women fuck anything with a dick practically)

JoeRMD77 · 2023-04-08T17:13:23+00:00

You could also say men don't like fat women at all and I totally believe that. you have men that will settle for fat women and men who will say they're fine with it but that's only to placate the woman.

No one's actually attracted to fat at all. At all. If they were, I'd have a lot more dates.

learn2earn89 · 2023-04-08T18:21:41+00:00

I’m 33 and the most handsome guy in my department is 27. So men in their mid-late twenties look the best imo

prizefighterstudent · 2023-04-08T19:06:31+00:00

This shit is so convoluted and not even a worthy discussion in any place in the world outside of North America -- and newsflash, it totally happens in NA too, and most people don't care.

After 35 most dudes are shit-out-of-luck for dating an 18-22 year-old, and most of them don't even want to. Tons of girls young girls date guys 27-34 though -- almost every attractive girl I know has had an experience like this, most don't regret it and can approach it with some level of maturity.

tired_hillbilly · 2023-04-08T19:40:40+00:00

Why is the average age gap only 2.3 years in the US?

Geography. Men and women are mostly around people their own age range.

dora_dora_chim_chim · 2023-04-08T21:12:32+00:00

I think women in late 20's prefer older guys for serious relationship as men who are in 30's have a stable life and they are definitely getting matured as compared to their early life same goes for women. But I have never seen any girl (18-24 preferring older man for serious relationship. Yeah they can have crushes on some celebrities who are in 30s, but I don't think in real life they prefer such older men.

InjectAdrenochrome · 2023-04-09T00:35:45+00:00

What does everyone think about the idea that men in their early 20s reach their sexual peak (aka highest drive) and women in their mid-late 30s reach their sexual peak? I've heard of age gap relationships on both sides.

Could it be that late 30s men usually have a sex drive that's more in line with an early 20s woman? As in they're not at their highest sex drive wise. Perhaps they are overwhelmed by the horny of women their age and prefer younger, less sexually demanding girls.

I'm talking out of my ass but I've heard similar things about 35+ women going for 21 year old guys because they have similar drives. Might as well try to make another weird hypothesis since that's all we do on this godforsaken board

2023-04-09T01:27:48+00:00

There is definitely a difference between asking someone "what would be the age of your ideal partner" and "do you find men 30+ physically attractive?".

The way this study is set up, it looks like they were asking the former. To get data on the latter, you'd have to do some blind study where you have young women rating the attractiveness of a bunch of men from 20-40.

In my experience, women who are against the idea of a huge age gap feel that way because it's seen as socially weird, not because they think men in their 30s are all ugly. If an attractive enough 30 year old approached them and she wasn't aware of his age, she may stop caring about it.

Diamond-Breath · 2023-04-09T03:55:41+00:00

My boyfriend and I have an age gap of 2 years so it checks out. We're both young adults, he's hands down one of the most handsomest men alive. A random girl even made a TikTok video about his good looks. He has that youthful glow and square jawline, plus he goes to the gym. Older men don't even register in my mind.

MrObviousTalks · 2023-04-09T07:32:02+00:00

I'm almost 30 and dating a 24 year old, cope more lmao

for men younger is always better, women have a limited window for healthy childbearing years, and the best time is between 16-25 biologically speaking. Cry cope and seethe.

CryptoThroway8205 · 2023-04-09T09:38:45+00:00

I think the marriage age gap is lower than the dating one.

21 year old girls might not go for 30 year old guys but 25 year old girls might. They consider themselves "mature for their age".

Nearly four in ten (39%) have previously dated someone with an age difference of 10+ years. Men are more likely to have dated someone 10+ years younger than them compared to women (25% vs. 14%). Meanwhile, women are more likely to have dated someone 10+ years older than them compared to men (28% vs. 21%).

I saw some stats a few days ago and there were far more couples where the guy was 5 years older than 5 years younger. Can't find the link right now.

These age differences bely huge differences by gender. Among men, those younger than 30 are by far the most likely to be single: About half of men in this age group (51%) are single, compared with only 27% of those ages 30 to 49

That 24% difference is the advantage that men have when dating in their 30s(wish the stat didn't include people in their 40s) vs dating in their 20s. Of course there's fuccbois who don't want relationships in their 20s but there are girls like that too.

2023-04-09T19:18:08+00:00

If I had the stats for the thing about how 66% of young men are single but most young women aren't I feel like that could only really be explained by if the younger women were dating men above their own age bracket

EugeneCezanne · 2023-04-09T21:48:44+00:00

The attraction just isn't reciprocal. As much as the guys on here try to convince me that young women are into older guys its just not true (I would know because I actually AM a young women).

And I AM a 36 year old man. It's just a fact that I regularly date women ages 21-26ish. The "older" men here who date younger women have one thing in common: younger women date them. I don't see the point of trying to convince us that what happens to us doesn't, in fact, happen.

When you talk about young women, you're just talking about yourself. YOU don't like older guys. That's fine. I believe you and don't hold it against you. It may even be true that the majority of young women agree with you. That's fine too. No man needs to be attractive to the majority of women, and most men never will be at any age.

One last thing I try to point out is simply the issue of scale. Most women in their 30s are married--most women in their early 20s aren't. So even if the proportion of the latter is smaller, the sheer number of them may be greater.

TheSongsInYourHead · 2023-04-10T02:51:35+00:00

Young women also aren't really attracted to younger men, so it doesn't really matter. Most women aren't attracted to most men.

jaypb182 · 2023-04-08T14:26:25+00:00

Age is not the primary factor in attraction, it's being in shape and being attractive in general and it's not just men who this applies to, if the woman has been taking care of herself then she can continue being hot to a very large range of men. Blake Lively, Charlize Theron are still smoking hot. The last girl I hooked up with was 25 yo but still finds Leo Di Caprio smoking hot. Another 24 yo girl I used to talk to used to find then 51 yo Paul Rudd the most attractive man in the world.

Maintain a trim body, head full of hair, and a clear skin and the man can continue being attractive to a wide range of women. When YOU, the OP think about a 30 yo, you build a caricature of a man in your head and say eww to him but when talking about individuals, the averages don't apply. You will have to evaluate every 30 yo individually to determine if he fits the caricature you have in your head. I also know guys who are in early-mid 20s who look worse, I know guys in 30s who would fit the caricature, and also guys who would make a mockery of it.

JoeRMD77 · 2023-04-08T17:09:07+00:00

I went into the gas station about 2 months ago and this woman carded me and she said wow you're 38? You must have good genes - She thought I was early thirties or possibly younger.

Our generations aren't aging like the previous ones had. A lot of people look less stressed out than our parents did So we don't have these haggard run down faces that a lot of the older generations dI'd.

I don't really think age is important it's more about how you are as a person regardless of age. I think Madonna is 50 and she's dating some 30 year old model. No one ever says anything about that or the other countless older women who have slept with younger men.

This copium about younger women not being attracted to older men is one of the top things I see here that's opposite in real life: There's tons of 20-somethings with men in their thirties these days And you can even read a lot of these relationship advice post and see the disparity In the ages between couples.

When guys read this stuff it just makes them think that women don't Much of anything really do they? They do not want older men, they do not want men with money because then that means they Work too hard and are betas and they don't want guys under 6 foot. I guess they don't want men at all according to you guys.

Listen-Natural · 2023-04-08T17:49:13+00:00

Leonardo DiCaprio enters the chat

Safinated · 2023-04-08T14:02:19+00:00

Men who say this don’t care what women want or are attracted to

LupeDyCazari · 2023-04-08T14:19:57+00:00

brah, it's one thing if we are talking about Henry Cavill, Chris Hemsworth, a thirty-something Brad Pitt, or Chris Pine... those guys are 10/10 and they are rich as fuck and charming and charismatic and funny..

Another thing is the average thirty-year old dude. Most of those guys are either bald, or balding, or thinning, or have bald spots, or receding hairlines.

There's the whole dad bod that so many of them have, and their faces were never all that attractive to begin with when they were 20, but they want us to believe they have beautiful 18-22 year old women chasing after their dicks.

nah, brah, those women are looking to pay off their college loans and to stay in a place ''rent-free'' which isn't free at all btw, and these guys self-esteem is too weak for these guys to willingly admit that they are sugar daddies to women who find them to be sexually unattractive.

On the other hand, I have no trouble being honest with myself, when I say that I'm pretty sure the majority of the over three hundred 10/10 escorts that I've banged, wouldn't fuck me for free. And I still got seven-hundred women to go before I reach my childhood dream of banging a thousand super hot women, so there's a lot more women yet to dissapoint, letsgoooo!

wait, your dad and his friends are in their 30s and you are in your 20s?! Your biological dad?! is your dad a super gigachad?!

NockerJoe · 2023-04-08T13:50:04+00:00

It doesn't need to be all or even most. Theres still a reasonably sized minority that will go for it.

itsfknoverm8 · 2023-04-08T15:01:25+00:00

Here's data that runs counter to this narrative. "For men, desirability peaks around 50 and then declines" - 2018 Online Dating Study and the relevant image

I don't understand your argument against men preferring much younger women because younger women don't prefer much older men. Attraction to certain traits isn't necessarily predicated or dependent on people having those traits also being attracted to you.

Mr_Chad_Thunderpenis · 2023-04-08T15:05:51+00:00

Extra money, status, charisma and experience works in a guy's favor to some extent, especially for longterm. For example a 35 year old guy who looks a bit worse than a 28 year old guy can outcompete the 28 year old guy to get a 25 year old woman. Is it very common? Not really. But it's not uncommon either. Reverse the genders and a 35 year old woman stands zero chance when competing with a 10 years younger woman.

YellowFeverbrah · 2023-04-08T21:39:04+00:00

Max cope for low value females here. Last woman I was with is in her early 20s. I personally don’t put too much weight in a females age. I will get with one older, younger, or the same age as me. I care about whether I find her attractive and/or if our personalities mesh, depending on what I want from her.

notseizingtheday · 2023-04-08T16:49:34+00:00

The only women I have know to be attracted to older men have serious personality or mental health issues. This works for some older men who want the young woman to have insecure attachment as it can be a form of ego boost, but that makes it even more gross and embarrassing for the men.

AstronautLoveShack · 2023-04-08T14:18:39+00:00

It's just their fantasy. They couldn't get the girl in high school or college, so they think if they can reject her in her 30s while they date barely legal teenagers, she'll be sorry then!

Patient_Position8965 · 2023-04-08T17:24:31+00:00

Speak for yourself, I think older men who have their shit together are sexy. (This does NOT mean I want your DMs!)

The other day, an older man who was in good shape and confident gave me a nice compliment without wanting anything else from me. He walked up, looked me in the eyes, complimented my outfit in a tasteful way and we had a brief conversation and left. There was no attempt at pick up, getting my number or any of that although I'd have been receptive if I were looking for a relationship.

Contrast that to most interactions I've had with guys my age who will look at you like a piece of meat but don't have the guts to approach and if they do, it's usually always too sexual and cringey.

OptimistInHell · 2023-04-08T19:42:22+00:00

Another PPD post that's demonstrated they don't understand research methods, critical thinking, statistics and studies into human behavior and interactions.

I'd wager someone got triggered directly or vicariously, by some posts insofar they had to make a long post.

Your opinion as a young women, honey, doesn't matter. You're also a poster in this sub which makes you a certain type of personality. You also can't say for certain how much you represent other women. Maybe men going for younger women and younger women going for them may make you feel old and less desirable? Especially if you're not what's considered extremely pretty.

Less pretty means less likely to get away with toxic behaviour with more desirable men. Naturally younger women could cause insecurity.

Of course, I strongly suspect some insecurity was touched. Hence many errors and misrepresentations in your post. You know what sort of older men posters have in mind. And normal (read: people who don't over think about asinine variables in social interactions like these subs) do not tend to get into the nitty gritty like you lot here.

By that I mean deep diving with erroneous subpar analysis to validate their own belief and value systems which were rattled by posts on the internet where any moron can post anything.

hiddendance · 2023-04-08T15:52:33+00:00

What an idiot lol

ziriani · 2023-04-10T06:11:35+00:00

Younger woman not into older men here. You go girl tell them lmao

KayRay1994 · 2023-04-08T16:20:01+00:00

shhhhhh let me live in my revenge fantasy world

2023-04-08T13:54:04+00:00

They just don’t have access to older guys

2023-04-09T01:50:00+00:00

Amen.

Spyro7x3 · 2023-04-10T22:19:53+00:00

I’m 34 and my last few gfs were 23, 24 and 19

So my anecdote confirms the thing in question and I go by my experience not studies

2023-04-08T16:41:33+00:00

Amen (f)

ChicktoGo · 2023-04-09T01:53:50+00:00

Woah. Nailed it

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bigpapirick · 2023-04-08T14:21:02+00:00

Does anyone need to justify it either way? Date what you feel. I sometimes think that people feel that wining an argument here translates into better dating results in the real world. You can learn a few things here but ultimately everyone and every situation is pretty unique.

slazengerx · 2023-04-08T17:11:55+00:00

Men choose to ignore that young women are not attracted to old guys and instead be delusional.

In my experience, women tend to stop thinking about age and just focus on overall attraction after 30. In their 20s, dating materially older guys is just weird to them. There are exceptions, of course. Most 32-year old women will view an (objectively) attractive 50-year old man as an attractive man; most 25-year old women will view an (objectively) attractive 35-year old man as too old for them. Again, there are exceptions.

slazengerx · 2023-04-08T17:19:07+00:00

really doesn't matter because most 18 year old's are not interested in you.

Clearly this is true. The flip side, of course, is that very few attractive men are going to be (sexually) interested in most women once these women are past 40. Both are true and that's ok.

Previous_Shake_9484 · 2023-04-08T17:21:28+00:00

Not true.

DoinIt989 · 2023-04-08T20:35:42+00:00

There's a huge difference between 18 and 24. Most 24 year old women would probably be open to dating a 30-32 year old guy, most 18 year olds would not. I'd argue an 18 year old woman with a 24nyear old guy is probably "weirder" than a 32 year old guy with a 24 year old woman.

2023-04-08T22:18:12+00:00

so, 21 yo women see 30 yo guys as their dads?

Reptheft · 2023-04-08T23:33:05+00:00

The chart is literally about physical attraction. Obviously people don't look as good as they age. Nobody claims otherwise.

If 30 really was the peak for mens SMV/RMV then wouldn't that mean the peak females (21) would be going after 30 year old men making the average age gap more around 9 years??

It's about each individual man. Based on who he is, his peak SMV will come at different periods of life.

If a guy's best trait is his looks, then his peak SMV will be in his 20s.

But if the guy always looked mediocre, then his best traits may be his money and status instead, and he will have more of those in his 30s.

This is always ignored and men focus on the twin study that shows how they are attracted to 20 yr olds at all ages.

That's simply to prove that the attraction is natural, and not based on the weird mental complexes that people accuse men of having. It's not meant to claim that women like the men back.

You will be soon known as a creep or a weirdo if you go after young women as an older man (exceptions may apply to 30yr olds 10/10 rich chads who look like Henry Cavil).

If you're outright admitting it's a biased judgment you can't seriously expect people to care.

Hoopy223 · 2023-04-09T00:04:35+00:00

Old Men

30

Arrrrgggghhh

2023-04-09T00:27:25+00:00

I love posts like this on Reddit because it's full of people humble bragging about how young people think they are.

Top tip: Whatever age someone says you look, add five years onto it. People are trying to be nice to you.

Oh and service workers have to ID people that look younger than 30 now. So if you're carded for booze it's not because they actually think you look 18 lol.

JulesK00044 · 2023-04-09T05:39:27+00:00

The trouble is the younger girls are not ready to settle down and be wives they want to have fun and travel. They want completely different things to older men plus don't want to end up being their 'carer'. Yes they are happy to use them for money. There are exceptions but it's not the norm. Every girl I know of this age thinks older guys are creeps. My 18 year old friend calls them nonces when they are interested

2023-04-09T07:49:21+00:00

I’m 23 and I’m certainly NOT. I used to think They were more mature but at my age I know that is extremely silly as I’ve gone on dates with some. The internet appeal is so false. A lot of them expect me to be naive and are quite angry when I’m not. So do with that what you want. They are just as immature as they were 10 years ago , and in some cases I found out they were married so

throwaway_2234566 · 2023-04-09T07:59:19+00:00

I think it's simple, a man will like a younger women more generally when it comes to looks. A woman similarly will be more attracted to a younger guy, sorry guys but when I compare the average 30 year old to the average 50 year old I certainly know who is more attractive. It's basic biology to be more attracted viscerally to youth.

But both genders including myself at age 42 (woman) need to be a bit more realistic about who will be attracted to you. Be the best version of yourself, but be aware that you are getting older yourself. If that means you don't want to be with somebody your own age ok stay single but stop blaming it on the other gender and stop complaining about it, it's just life and you are getting older yourself as well. But damn that's hard to admit for some people.

I know the general 20 or even 30 year old won't be attracted to me but will I make a fuss about it no of course not.

An older guy who still thinks he has the looks of a 20 year old and expects to only have women of that age, is an instant turn off not only for the younger women but for the older ones as well. This has nothing to do with jealousy, I genuinely prefer being alone over being with a guy who has this little self reflection. That type of guy would swap me for a younger one in an instant anyway so why would I opt for that?

rosiivelvete · 2023-04-09T08:49:50+00:00

Most men have never cared about what women like at all, so they definitely don't care if the young women they're oggling to, is attracted to them or no XD. They just go after what they want and try to conquer it. Women on the other hand were always raised to think that if they want à man then they should be this man's ideal type and fit 100% of his standards. He prefer blondes and you're a brunette? Bleach your hair. He prefer women 5 years younger and you are only 4 years younger than him? Sorry you're too old. Go find someone else.

A milf can get à 20 yo man for free, while most men their age have to pay to get this from younger women, but men dont care. They just want something tight to stick their dicks into, while women have been raised to seek love and admiration, but the thing is that even when you're young you dont get it easily, hence why you see so many young baddies like madison beer writing heartbreak songs.

Blaphrodite · 2023-04-09T10:03:10+00:00

Facts.

Substantial_Video560 · 2023-04-09T10:21:36+00:00

I'll admit I couldn't give a f..k! I'm indifferent nowadays.

I wear glasses, have thining hair and crooked teeth but you what there's far more important things in life.

The_Entertainer217 · 2023-04-09T12:16:04+00:00

A large enough subset is, and they will make it known. Look up “daddy issues”.

LilRedMoon__ · 2023-04-09T12:21:12+00:00

idk where men got this “women hit a wall at 30 and men get better after 30-40” idea from cause…majority of women i’ve seen and know just…do not?

whitehack · 2023-04-09T13:33:33+00:00

Agree completely!

Sometimes I get come ons from women who appear in their 20s. I'll take what comes to me 🤷 but there are hot women in their 30s and I'd probably be slightly (at least?) more likely to emotionally connect/ be on the same wavelength as them.

Sabrepill · 2023-04-09T17:22:42+00:00

OkCupid data is old data from a site where the average user was not very attractive or desirable. Regardless, women typically go for the best man they can get. If the best man is 50 they would go for him and if the best man is 25 they would go for him. Imagine 50 year old James Bond (any actor who played him) in a room with 25 year old women and average 25 year old men. Most of those women would prefer 50 year old bond. Age for men matters less, and status matters more. For women the opposite is true: most men don’t care about womens status at all but their age is important

EugeneCezanne · 2023-04-09T22:01:29+00:00

Now to do a deeper analysis of the numbers you offered.

If 30 really was the peak for mens SMV/RMV then wouldn't that mean the peak females (21) would be going after 30 year old men making the average age gap more around 9 years??

No. Ther majority of couples meet through something in common about their lifestyle: school, workplace, friend group, hobbies, etc. Each of these factors has a strong selection bias toward similar ages unrelated to personal preference. Another matter is expectations around age based in stereotypes, some of which are more justified than others. For example, have I met 45 year-old women I'm attracted to? Yes. Do I set my Tinder age range to 45? No. The potential for attraction is there, but my expectation is that I am unlikely to actually find someone that age I'd want to date, so I don't waste my time trying. For another example, a young woman may be attracted to older men, but also expect that any such man attracted to them would just be using or manipulating them; for that reason alone, they won't pursue older men either.

In short, there are too many confounding variables to draw a direct causal line between dating preference and dating behavior.

You will be soon known as a creep or a weirdo if you go after young women as an older man

It's true that some people do see me that way. But the younger women I date don't. So I can't say it's a very meaningful deterrent.

2023-04-10T15:20:54+00:00

In my experience, I know lots of women my age (18-20) who find older male celebrities attractive, but they wouldn't date someone that age.

HighestTierMaslow · 2023-04-10T17:45:16+00:00

I agree. When I was in my early 20's I thought men who were 32 were OLD, LOL.

I did not find them attractive. I found them icky. I think women that young going for older men do it for material reasons.

RafvPL · 2023-04-11T00:40:41+00:00

I'm 37 and I have 20 yo gf, my friend is 31 and has 20 yo gf. So it not common but possible. Dating and having husband material is different. So you must consider if you choose bf and are fucked not loved, and he can leave you for younger girl or you will be that younger girl. I dated similar age girls when I was younger but they were never wife material to me. Some of my friends change girls similar age every week or date for some years and when girl tries to get married with him he leaves her, you better start plan you future, so you won't be left 30+ and forever alone like most modern woman now.

jeanironplate · 2023-04-11T01:57:08+00:00

Can confirm. I'm 24. Not a single soul I've ever met (girls my age and even a few years older) thinks 30 year old men are attractive. Girls a little older than me stay very tightly around boys their age or younger, because any older than them the guys start looking rough.

2023-04-11T14:30:02+00:00

This is probably true. The majority of young women are not looking for a relationship with a big age gap. It doesn't that it do not happen.

I am an average guy, mid 30s, not especially physically attractive imo and I always had troubles to date. I was single in the last 3 years and my only 3 partners in that time frame were women below 24. One of them was a hook-up, and one a sex friend.

I am actually not looking solely to date young women, I would prefer to have a woman my age or 2-3 years younger, but they are not interested in me apparently.

Spare-Estimate5596 · 2023-04-12T04:36:25+00:00

As soon as you said i am a woman. I stopped reading.

jaypb182 · 2023-04-15T21:51:26+00:00

it feels so so strange to think guys my Dads age will be physically attracted to me

Most 30 year olds don't have 21 year old daughters.

FlashPhoenix225 · 2023-05-16T00:56:18+00:00

Out of curiosity how old do you think I am by looking at my profile picture?

PeleUprising · 2023-08-23T07:05:24+00:00

I see this as a Win. Who would date literal adult children just starting their life?

2023-08-28T20:37:37+00:00

what about man over 40 who want woman over 30

2023-09-22T16:31:47+00:00

It’s never going to stop. My mom has 70 and 80 year olds hitting on her while she’s in her 50s every time we go out.

Title	The majority of younger women (18-24) are NOT attracted to old men 30+
Author	Illustrious-Line-996
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Date	April 8, 2023 12:56 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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