CMV: As long as men refuse to call out other men, male issues will never be taken seriously.

Holden_Frame · 2023-04-11T22:37:49+00:00

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But all this nonsense can be put to rest with one simple question:

What is the prime motivating factor behind men's behavior throughout human history and who must they cater to in order to achieve this in the modern world?

Lovers691 · 2023-04-11T20:05:51+00:00

The reason why some men say being vulnerable makes pussy dry is that in general it is true that if a male expressed the same vulnerability as a female, it will turn most women off, so men convince other men to not to it as a form of advice. As for the videos, you can call someone weak(a lot of the weak shit is being fat and lazy which I agree is weak) and critique their behaviour while saying they can be vulnerable, most of the people who say don’t be vulnerable to your girl say you should confide in other men.

On to the courts and child support being mostly men, those men don’t represent the interests of your average male, this is like saying most cops in black neighborhoods are black therefor black people should critique other cops for police brutality and any change to divorce and child support law will get push back because it disadvantages women. Same with the male CSA thing, i do agree that some men make jokes about it(although that South Park thing was a critique of that idea)most men will be pissed at a child being molested by a teacher or maid

mikehawk1988 · 2023-04-11T19:52:43+00:00

My opinion: both sexes are equally guilty for behaviors of both women and men, because they have selected each other for millions of years. We are the product of mating.

Opening_Pattern_301 · 2023-04-11T19:54:05+00:00

all the youtube videos you posted are men calling out other men for all the stuff you all complain about, yet here we are

MarBitt · 2023-04-11T20:18:30+00:00

There are over 16,323 judges currently employed in the United States. 49.7% of all judges are women, while 50.3% are men.

https://www.zippia.com/judge-jobs/demographics/

There are over 19,521 lawyers currently employed in the United States. 51.5% of all lawyers are women, while 48.5% are men.

https://www.zippia.com/lawyer-jobs/demographics/

What sources do you draw from?

flakybottom · 2023-04-11T19:43:19+00:00

As long as shitty men keep getting laid, complaints from other dudes will be meaningless.

TheDustLord · 2023-04-11T23:42:05+00:00

Women don’t really “mock” me for showing vulnerable feelings. It’s more accurate to say they ignore or antagonize me, especially if my hurt feelings were caused by a woman.

Bruce_Hale · 2023-04-11T19:37:35+00:00

Men constantly call each other out.

Geez, this sub is so stupid. Yet another example of "men need to start being harder on each other because it's not a woman's fault!"

chupasway · 2023-04-11T19:58:17+00:00

How do we call out other men in cases of paternity fraud? Women do this and lie about who the father is. Men do not force their hand. Women do this to get some new guy to care for their bastard children.

Why do so many mothers support circumcision? It's basically mutilating boys and women do not care.

abaxeron · 2023-04-11T21:32:03+00:00

The typical topics I see:

Typical topics I see among women:

"X is basically rape"

"Men aint shit"

"Gibs me"

We all can play cherry picking.

Bad faith and low effort.

Also guess who most of voters are. Women.

Due-Lie-8710 · 2023-04-11T20:49:50+00:00

calling out double standards doesnt equal chastising women , people in general do not take male abuse seriously, and this has been addressed, how many people have talked about male domestic violence or people bullying men , or male rape

people have shown concern about the boys abused , but rather than focus on punishment for the perps, which men have agreed that they should increase more jail time , do you know what feminist say that men should take male rape more seriously, they will not advocate for harsher punishment for these women even in times of domestic violence , no they will say men should take the issue more seriously

as for therapy , therapy doesnt work because most mental help research is usually done for women not men, in terms of specific truama issuses yes, but when it comes to male issues , they handle it poorly, therapy for men has been more encouraged as of recent years and yet male suicide rate has increased and is still increasing , and depression generally among everyone is increasing so is it that they are not seeking help, or the solution reccommended sucks ,

i have seen women mock not just men but women about their feelings, but the reason people tell men not to show vulnerability to anyone including their families is because men accept the reality that they get less help and less care

also stating proffession of men in jobs isnt an argument, for male abuse to be taken seriously, it has to be socially taken seriously, both men and women dont take it seriously, because there is an empathy gap for men and women, which again has been addressed why you see this as blaming women is something i dont get , please show examples of blaming women

throwawaymonth3 · 2023-04-12T01:24:35+00:00

love that you put the work in to add sources, will be using them for future convos here!

Maffioze · 2023-04-12T10:19:53+00:00

Another post of you not wanting to change your mind at all while mistaking the people who are more visibly doing something with them actually having the power to decide on what they are doing.

I am sorry to burst your bubble but we live in a world where the power isn't held by individual powerfull men but rather by organisations that are able to either lobby the government or to infiltrate academia with their ideology. Feminist organisations are examples of organisations that have such power.

Women aren't npc's with no agency, who's actions and behaviour magically don't influence men. Yes we need to call out other men. We also need to call out women.

What I see here all the time is some Feminist men blaming all our issues on toxic masculinity and them being supported by the women here. Then when you disagree with them you're accused of all kinds of things you never said and accused of wanting to make yourself a victim when you open up honestly about your feelings and thoughts. They literally perpetuate their own toxic masculinity nonsense and a lot of women love them for it. And they do it exactly because of that.

You yourself have been talking about how men here are just making themselves victims yet now you're gonna lecture us on mental health and how we don't care about it? How hypocritical.

Scarce12 · 2023-04-12T15:48:58+00:00

Yet another gynocentric "men need to step up" thread.

Moneydamjan · 2023-04-11T22:10:27+00:00

i could say the same for all womens issues

ComfortableOk5003 · 2023-04-11T22:28:13+00:00

The misandry and pollution from certain members talking to much and cut n pasting their responses over and over is really killing this discussion

JumboJetz · 2023-04-11T20:38:42+00:00

I think the idea men don’t call other men out is laughable given the gigantic leap in women’s rights that occurred the past few decades that would never have occurred if men didn’t shame other men with regressive views.

I do think men struggle to call out men for bad behaviour sometimes on the individual friend level.

I am a man that does think therapy isn’t a cure all. I think therapy is a woman’s equivalent of seeing a prostitute but hey, prostitutes can provide joy so therapists can too.

I think therapy is basically having a paid friend. I don’t think therapists are overall that helpful in terms of their training, but having someone to talk to and rant to I can see why this is helpful.

MP8877 · 2023-04-11T21:18:55+00:00

Kevin Samuels, Patrice O’Neal, Rollo, FNF and even just TRP in general basically nullify your title.

They’ve all been saying mens dating issues come from not making something more of themselves and being little bitches… and Patrice was doing it 20+ years ago.

oooo020201lfl · 2023-04-11T20:51:15+00:00

I’m on medication and go to therapy, still feel an all-consuming urge to get laid

Amazing-Key-1575 · 2023-04-11T22:19:19+00:00

The problem isn’t gendered. It’s societal. Remove gender from the equation.

It’s fucking dumb that we have this blanket society shared by men and women laying in the same bed made of broken glass, feces, corpses, and disease infected needles and rather than fight over who made them lay in this same shitty bed they are busy fighting over who is hogging the blanket.

Until men and women can step beyond FEMinism and beyond outdated modalities of thinking, hold humans accountable for the systems they build to manage one another, and forget about this game chicken and egg.

I don’t know if I’m commenting on the right post but that’s really the problem.

Why aren’t humans holding their leaders and financial giants responsible for the system in which they operate that perpetually keeps them fighting amongst one another over a more comfortable position in a pile of excrement? How has every Catholic Church not been filled with already proven guilty pedophile priests & bishops & popes that signed off on their quiet relocations and burnt to the ground?

[Doggy walk edit to fix ? & +: Why haven’t we looted their hordes of historical treasures? Where art, books, and a wealth of hidden knowledge is contained in underground storehouses that cover up catacombs full to the brim with countless bodies of nameless raped children’s murdered corpses…why are we focusing on BOYS ewwww omg GIRLS wwwaaahhhh TRANSBTQLS as if there are really that many TRANS people when it is something that largely did not exist or at the very least was not a political talking point less than 15 years ago… my bad I should say as if there would be as many trans children if weren’t blasting the option down their throats like regurgitated dinner every night….all just PSYOP distractions from the dwindling middle class, collapsing economy, super-power handoff to China, and totalitarian fascist something or another buzzword horror-show we’re all about to gladly walk into like a masochistic bottom paying a Mister for some punishment with things like the RESTRICT ACT that would make what I’m doing right now illegal and punishable up to 20 years in prison without rights to fight it in court. Like, because my voice is often quieted by Reddit mods I make new accounts on VIP-Ens.

And a world without me commenting because someone else believes their opinion is the Truth is a world in which you do not get to speak without gaining consent from your Master. And you’ll say “But, Mr. Misogynist, we established free speech and abolished slavery 100+ years ago!” And I’ll say, “That certainly is what you were taught in 4th grade to pass a history lesson, wasn’t it?]

DisasterPeace7 · 2023-04-11T23:01:49+00:00

Men do call out other men, just on stuff that actually matters to us in a different way than a woman would call out another woman , at the end of the day accountability for most things lies with himself, and if you don't like the message you can always find another messenger

Low-Reality-664 · 2023-04-11T23:22:55+00:00

Women are never going to acknowledge men's problems so why should men do anything at all for women

Rmon_34 · 2023-04-12T04:49:17+00:00

The reason why men don't like to show their vulnerability feelings. Is because women getto turned off and run away from these men.

WillyDonDilly69 · 2023-04-12T17:02:13+00:00

Men do call other men out look out on every news source youtube twitter. The problem is judicial and political when you have so many brainwashed people promoting feminism and bad faith ideas about men in institution in order to assure women emotional safety. How can you blame the male judge for a decision when the law was already fucked form the beginning and also if you learn something about USA is that all JUDGES are over 50 years old in age because you can't be a judge at a younger age. Those dinosaurs have ideas from when feminism was strong and their ideas not properly debated and came with all this shit brainwashing them that only women are good at raising children and only women are violence victims.

OP really proves that women have no sense of accountability.

TotalTravesty · 2023-04-11T19:53:51+00:00

Men call out other men all the time. They’re called virtue signalers and feminized simps for their trouble.

The problem is unless it involves a show of bravado or physical strength, weak men—the ones perpetuating these male issues—don’t really respect the guidance of other men. They want validation and to be told they’re never wrong. You and I might know that change doesn’t come from being coddled all the time, but how do you convince someone with a vested interest in never changing?

0DarkFlirty · 2023-04-11T20:29:17+00:00

Men will only change their behavior in response to the Women they want.

Women will only change their behavior in response to the Men they want.

That's pretty much it.

MrHustleTopG · 2023-04-11T22:45:33+00:00

Damn you always this mad mami?

revente · 2023-04-11T22:18:55+00:00

Most judges are men.

Idk about other countries, but the family courts are dominated by women here where i live. Men make the majority of civil/criminal/administrative judges.

thedeadpill · 2023-04-11T22:30:04+00:00

The well-to-do have always exploited lower class men. Peasants being victims of the aristocracy? Most decision-making aristocrats were men. Disappearing middle-class? The world’s most wealthy are men. There lawyers/cops/judges (and politicians) you reference are pretty much the same.

I’m not convinced women would be more generous in positions of wealth and leadership (lol Indira Gandhi), but, I think the expectation that wealth and power should suddenly be sympathetic is a bit wishful.

Things will likely continue as they are until there is that perennial bloody revolt.

statsfodder · 2023-04-11T22:48:02+00:00

Pushing back or trying to talk about male issues is misogyny... and as you said "it is men's fault" anyway.

Society has to value men again and while the "equality" pendulum is still swinging into female supremacy territory, men will continue to be devalued for some time yet.

chris_unltd · 2023-04-11T23:22:55+00:00

The typical topics I see: Family courts, divorce, male abuse victims not being taken, men’s emotional/mental state not being taken seriously, etc.

Most of these topics you mention involve a Man vs a Woman and in these situations, society treats men as the transgressor by default. So men are being called out by other men, they just happen to be the victims of your scenarios. I'd say the real issue is is a lack of empathy from other men and societies tendency to believe that women are more virtuous or innocent.

GlancingWillow · 2023-04-12T01:44:53+00:00

Haven’t seen this huge of a reaction when the sexes are reversed.

SwimmingTheme3736 · 2023-04-12T08:27:59+00:00

People need to start doing better

Stop making people famous for taking a good selfie and being a bitch

Stop following influencers, they are not enhancing our world.

Start looking up to people who are actually deserving of it.

Call out the people around you for shorty behaviour, it’s not cute being a cunt

HazyMemory7 · 2023-04-12T19:34:55+00:00

Right idea wrong track. We need white knights to stop sabotaging the rest of men, there is plenty of calling out that's done as is.

lolthankstinder · 2023-04-11T23:22:35+00:00

This is misandry masquerading as help for men. You're pretending to care about male-on-male issues because it's convenient to advancing your own goals/agenda like removing more men from power. The moment it stops being convenient, you won't care.

cast-away-ramadi06 · 2023-04-12T09:54:40+00:00

That's like saying "until women call out other women for dressing slutty, men will never take grape seriously"

No-Rough-7390 · 2023-04-12T10:48:54+00:00

Men have been going out of their way for women for a long time. Hell, you could say it’s been what’s powered societies trajectory for contemporary times.

Men shouldn’t really do anything on the behalf of a woman or man, for that matter, unless you know them or it benefits you. Otherwise, you’re just getting used or likely wasting your time.

I always say that women have two cards to play: sex and guilt. Here’s the guilt card being held up for everyone to see.

memyhim · 2023-04-11T20:47:01+00:00

Most lawyers are men.

Most cops are men.

Most judges are men.

Most lawmakers are men.

All these men favor women. That's the definition of patriarchy.

MajesticPenisMan · 2023-04-11T22:05:37+00:00

Men call out other men constantly.

Barely-moral · 2023-04-11T23:40:43+00:00

As long as men refuse to call out other men, male issues will never be taken seriously.

As long as men's chances to get laid are reduced if they are found out taking men's issues seriously, men's issues are not going to be taken seriously.

meangingersnap · 2023-04-11T21:12:13+00:00

Men are always talking about how they have few friends and no one to talk to??? Like mfer go make some friends, women aren’t out here locking you in your room and preventing you from having friends?

96tillinfinity_ · 2023-04-11T22:45:36+00:00

KommandaKoopa · 2023-04-12T00:52:33+00:00

Except men do call each other out and hold each other accountable all the time.

When was the last time the OP has, Or has seen a woman home another woman accountable in the same way a man has?

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HighestTierMaslow · 2023-04-11T21:14:41+00:00

I actually think there are some "men's issues" (mostly pertaining to men not being allowed to show emotion) Ironically alot of men argue with me on that and dismiss them. The only time Ive encountered men who feel passionate about mens issues is on the Internet.

I agree more men need to use the court system. Most states are 50/50 by default now and its VERY difficult to prove the other parent unfit. Most men who dont have 50/50 didnt push for it or live too far away after divorce/separation.

SecondEldenLord · 2023-04-11T22:31:17+00:00

Bro, you literally shown videos with men calling out other men, what are you even talking about? Basically they are telling weak men off for being weak and for being feminine.

Safinated · 2023-04-11T21:35:15+00:00

Men don’t want to fight men. It’s easier to fight women

Preme2 · 2023-04-11T20:01:39+00:00

Men: How will I get laid?

Don’t you think they’re telling you what the problem is and how to solve it, but instead of providing men with the means to get laid, you have them cope with therapy? Therapy may be a great solution for women, but not for men. Weren’t you ranting about “one size fits all” solutions earlier today. Men might need a more active approach than therapy.

More importantly, men get fucked from both sides today. Thank you for pointing that out. If you lean left, you get fucked the hardest.

For example: Conservative men pair up with women who are more traditional and those women need the support when men get railroaded by the courts. Left leaning men pair up with women who make just as much as them and still get fucked. Why? Because there is still this notion in society that women are weaker, more vulnerable, but they have more than caught up with men. However, benefits are still given in that direction. The older lawyers, judges, lawmakers still have that thinking. On top of this you have women parading both legislation and social norms to benefit women.

In conclusion, you have all group think women aligned against men, the older, more conservative men against men and a white knight or two against men hoping their efforts will bare vagina.

The cup has runneth over.

Maffioze · 2023-04-12T10:05:24+00:00

Most lawyers are men.

Most cops are men.

Most judges are men.

Most lawmakers are men.

These don't actually decide on the policy and aren't the ones who created a sexist pseudoscientific framework that harms male victims. They are just following what sexist feminist academics tells them to do.

Women and men aren't to blame for this, feminists are.

alamohero · 2023-04-11T19:58:49+00:00

DUH! Women aren’t out to get men! Their issues are nine times out of ten motivated by actual cases of men being jerks, and most of the time their friends and family knew about it but were like “Oh yeah that’s just Dave/Steve/Tom, he’s a bit off” instead of CALLING OUT the behavior!

2023-04-12T00:54:54+00:00

"In conclusion, it seems men concerned about male issues would rather
talk about how women are privileged than actually tackle these issues."

This is a false conclusion that does not follow from your post, because you equate "men concerned about male issues" with redpill influencers/gurus whose aim is marketing a product. It rather seems redpill is very convenient for people who want to prevent liberation of men as it focuses all the energy to "getting laid" which is very easy to ridicule. That is why rp won't go away in foreseeable future as it is part of the system that keeps most men down and positions women as arbiters of male success and inclusion and serves as a disciplinary tool against men who would like to find their happiness outside female validation. Notice that the voice of rp gurus is a voice of a scolding woman pointing at male inadequacy.

One other thing that I think is relevant here. Modern popular white feminism seems to be fighting low value males as misogynists and sexists with tremendous energy of a Wonder Woman. Basically, it punches down on males at the bottom. At the same time Roe v Wade was demolished and your rights to bodily autonomy is systematically destroyed even though most men are pro-choice. The logical thing would be to focus all the energy to fight people (men AND women) on top instead of combating manspreading or mansplaining or some lonely teenagers on the internet who will write something about n-counts and hypergamy. If YOU really cared about women's issues you wold be calling out other women who are conservative or simply rich enough to "take care" of unwanted pregnancy privately while leaving working class women to fend for themselves because "in my case it is different ". Those old republican men that make the rules are supported in their actions by their wives, daughters and sisters who benefit from being near power and have the same kind of disdain for men at the bottom as many feminists do. In short: you fight low value men but at the same time rich evangelical boss-babes are screwing you over.

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calfshrug · 2023-04-11T23:23:12+00:00

Both men and women have weakness and lack of virtue.

Men occupy the executive chairs of the highest echelons of society, on average, and men also occupy the niches of being workhorses, providers, and having an insatiable sex drive.

Our sex drives, workhorse status, Ill-directed assertiveness from testosterone, and provider hood make us easily exploited by many superior types of men, whether you’re talking about nerdy male programmers and marketing agents who devise algorithms to shackle mediocre men and who rack up dates due to high competence and money, but also to super tall hot manager/CEO guys and fuckboys. Being a dead beat fuckboy tends to have a pretty steep loss curve after you age out of your late twenties, but they still can dominate the dating market even as 35+ deadbeat alcoholic zaddies.

Finally, our testosterone fueled drive, social alienation, partly-devised self hate and lack of social clout, and everything else put us at the mercy of low quality women. Technically we don’t have to seek the attention of low quality women, but it’s hard not to when you’re down and out in life.

Menaku · 2023-04-12T06:11:00+00:00

I see this as a dual sided issue. The fact that guys got care enough about certain subject or that they care to much in other areas and are quick to be at each other's throats instead of being in the middle and trying to find common ground unless like directly talking to each other.

getoffmyllawn · 2023-04-12T08:26:36+00:00

Woman dunking on men, calling out that the issue is men dunking on men 🤷

TheS3KT · 2023-04-12T18:40:49+00:00

To be fair most lawyers, cops, judges and lawmakers were men before the feminist movement.

MullNad2 · 2023-04-13T06:50:54+00:00

Men will never call out other men because the male experience and existence is competitive. Men compete against other men for exclusive access / monopoly over women, money, material possessions etc. That's the same reason why you very very rarely see men help other men. Why would they do that if helping another men only means for you that you'll just have increased your competition completely unnecessarily. Why would you do that to yourself? This is why when you see a man getting his shit kicked in, a brutal beatdown, very rarely will you also see random bystanders interfere and try to save him from a brain damage / death etc. This is the same reason why I have refused to make friends with other men for years: they are my enemies, not my friends, and there's no such thing as friendship or brotherhood among men. These 2 concepts are incredibly fake. This will never happen.

Khabeni412 · 2023-04-15T18:17:02+00:00

I was molested by my step mother and I've had mostly other men make fun of it. (I'm male). And all the women I have told have been sympathetic. So I see what you mean. Women do reinforce male stereotypes some, but it's mostly men that are hard on other men. I think the same can be said about women reinforcing common female stereotypes.

ilovegaryb99givmore · 2023-04-18T08:09:07+00:00

Fucking exactly. How is it that male loneliness is blamed on women when men constantly talk about how hard it is to be open to other men, how hard it is to make close male friendships? How is it what men do in groups without women, is the fault of women?

Men need to be more emotionally open to their male friends like women are to their female friends, in order to combat their loneliness. That’s not me saying they shouldn’t be open with women they find trustworthy, I’m just saying both genders cannot rely solely on other women to ease their emotional burdens. It imbalances things and stresses everyone out.

Title	CMV: As long as men refuse to call out other men, male issues will never be taken seriously.
Author	LillthOfBabylon
Upvotes	119
Comments	383
Date	April 11, 2023 7:23 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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