I don’t agree with any of the pills but blue pill advice is far worse than red pill

612King · 2026-04-29T21:24:46+00:00

“Just be yourself” - what if myself can’t get me laid? “Well that’s just too bad. But that’s the end of the dating advice.” Signed, women who try to give dating advice to men.

Gemini_zyx · 2026-04-29T17:25:05+00:00

As I often say most advice given online kinda sucks. Its overly broad and given by people who dont take time to actually understand the needs of the reciever.
Good advice noramally comes from someone who takes time to understand your position and that doesnt happen in online forums really

SenatorCoffee · 2026-04-29T18:19:35+00:00

I think the problem is "blue pill" does not really exist as a real equivalent.

Red pill was/is an explicit, self avowed movement, with thought leaders and thus some amount of coherency.

Blue pill is by definition just some miasmic set of oppinions out there in the mainstream. So you can never make a proper defense or attack on it. A smart person will always be able to come up with some version of it thats defendable and would lead to good life outcomes. And you cant ever really prove to him that its not the real bluepill.

The way you put it thats just what the redpill says the bluepill is, and then yeah obviously that will always be inferior. If you use the definition provided by the ideological enemy you will get some caricature thats obviously not good.

WanabeInflatable · 2026-04-29T17:33:21+00:00

While I generally agree with the sentiment that BP advice is mostly useless just world fallacy seasoned with virtue signaling, I don't see any specific examples of bad BP advices. If you make a post with criticism of BP - be specific, what kind of advices and why are they bad. Otherwise it is low effort.

TopPaint6720 · 2026-04-29T17:26:35+00:00

I honestly don’t think dating advice does much either way. There are just too many variables. People figure out what works for them through experience, and that’s also how they get to know themselves better. I don’t mind people sharing their experiences, but what works for you won’t always work for someone else.

The_Economistologist · 2026-04-29T22:05:01+00:00

Blue pill and Red pill are both viable strategies for mating. You'll just end up with different kinds of relationships. I know, hot take.

user7223 · 2026-04-29T17:20:45+00:00

Bluepill is bs because it's the most delusional one. It believes in a just world fallacy. If you approach it with a kind heart and good intentions and just "be yourself" it'll all work out except reality is not like that.

Odd-Yoghurt1869 · 2026-04-30T04:33:26+00:00

Troof bro

ratsareniceanimals · 2026-04-29T17:48:44+00:00

I'm certainly more blue pill than red, but the "blue" part of it isn't the part that really worked. Maybe I should adjust my flair. If I had to give advice to younger guys today, I'd say be funny, emotionally mature, and learn to either cook or dance. You'll have a ton of fun, and likely will do well in the "market"

JollyRoger66689 · 2026-04-29T17:34:10+00:00

Pretty much how I see it. Red Pill is too radical/extreme for me but I lean that way more than blue

Corbast7 · 2026-04-29T17:57:22+00:00

A common thing in this sub is that “blue pill” is apparently defined as any and everything the OP claims to not like. That’s why nobody can ever seem to agree on what it is and the criticisms are never specific, like what’s going on in this post and in the comments. Like I don’t agree with anything you’ve said, and I also don’t see blue flaired people here making those arguments either.

It makes sense though because red pill defines itself as The Truth and a secret cool kids club, so blue pill as the out group has to be seen as the opposite. But in reality it’s more like red pill is like religion, and blue pill is like agnosticism.

Tylikcat · 2026-05-01T20:57:29+00:00

"he ignores her past no matter how destructive it is"

...um, what?

Suspicious_Glove7365 · 2026-04-29T23:22:03+00:00

Stop assigning ideology to the blue pill where it doesn't exist. Blue pill is anything that isn't red pill. It's everyone else. It doesn't have a playbook. It doesn't have a set of rules or advice. There is no blue pill advice apart from "any advice that isn't red pill."

chriszenpaok · 2026-04-29T17:33:22+00:00

Blue pill smells like shit, red pill smells like sweaty clothes

anomalocarus · 2026-04-29T17:16:01+00:00

Blue pill advice is also about self improvement too?

anewleaf1234 · 2026-04-29T23:23:23+00:00

All the successful men who date via blue pill messages are the people you never hear about.

They are happy and in relationships so they don't complain online.

SleepyPoemsin2020 · 2026-04-29T18:24:57+00:00

Blue pill is just literally not red pill. It's not a competing ideology. It's the atheist to the specific claims of a theist. It just means you don't believe in TRP. Even by the definitions of this fucking sub. There are varying blue pill beliefs because it's anything that isn't red pill.

AutisticRats · 2026-04-29T17:38:12+00:00

Blue pill advice is to improve yourself and be authentic. Bending over backwards for a woman comes off as desperate and inauthentic which fails to meet red pill or blue pill methodology.

I feel like everyone should improve themselves, and it is better to be authentic and find the right person than be inauthentic and win over the wrong person. If I have to live a lie to attract someone, I'd rather be single.

Dependent-Tailor7366 · 2026-04-29T17:17:55+00:00

Red pill advice is bullying and manipulation. The fitness stuff is common sense that everyone will tell you.

DriverInitial8305 · 2026-04-29T17:47:30+00:00

Totally disagree. Red pill advice is terrible because it paints heterosexual interactions and relationships as power struggles where the man has to win while closing himself off from his female partner emotionally. IMO it’s horrible advice that leads to self sabotage and the inability to have any meaningful romantic long term healthy sustainable relationship with a woman.

“She not yours it’s just your turn”

“AWALT”

It’s all toxic

bluestjuice · 2026-04-29T22:20:04+00:00

The thing about bad bluepill advice is that most people just call it 'bad advice.' With the possible exception of any bad advice that happens to be specifically redpill.

All of which is to say, it's totally fair to ignore or argue against bad advice. Bluepill folks also think a lot of it is bad.

fakingandnotmakingit · 2026-04-29T22:56:01+00:00

Again, what is blue pill advice specifically?

Blue pill is just "mainstream" aka, what the majority of people in mainstream society believe.

Red pill likes to say that blue pill is just "be nice!" Or "work hard!" And those are not mainstream advice anywhere except the school yard.

Most mainstream advice is about being the best version of yourself. Not just "be nice."

Like yes look at your weight and be healthy. But also doing that is good for yourself anyway. Its about not forcing yourself to be someone else entirely because obviously at some point that won't be sustainable. And at some point the mask will drop and the relationship is screwed anyways.

Red pill just does stupid shit like dread game and "overcoming last minute resistance" which comes off super rapey.

There is no definition for blue pill other than mainstream. What red pillers think blue pill is, is probably just "I don't like this, so it's blue pill"

TinyFlamingo2147 · 2026-04-29T17:27:18+00:00

Those are some vague scathing statements about a vague topic.

Equivalent_Dance2278 · 2026-04-29T17:55:36+00:00

No one says bend over backwards. And your reason for not listening to it, shows how redpilled you are. Do what you want. But I’ll avoid every redpiller like the plague. They are repulsive for the way they expect women to behave in ways only attractive to them. I don’t think redpill men realise it’s their characters that make them so repellent to women.

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Objective_Ad_6265 · 2026-04-30T09:06:35+00:00

There is no advice. Either you FEEL attracted to each other or not. There is nothing you can do. It's pure chance.

GroundbreakingAct434 · 2026-04-30T11:52:24+00:00

It seems like there are 2 blue pills: feminist blue pill and “buy me flowers and expensive dinner” blue pill

Last_Serve_3706 · 2026-05-01T04:53:37+00:00

Original redpill = conspiracy theorys anti illuminati

Modern day redpill = self improvement grifter bs

The bluepill is mainly the idea that the world is like a stage and everyone follows a script. The modern redpill also follows a similar idea within self improving through looksmaxing in order to conform to society.

Jephta · 2026-05-16T04:27:47+00:00

It depends on from whose perspective you're talking about.

From mens' perspective, what you're saying is true.

From womens' perspective, blue pill advice is far better than red pill advice. Blue pill advice encourages the men they already find attractive to act in ways that women would prefer them to act while simultaneously keeping men they don't find attractive unsuccessful and easy to identify so they can be ruled out as duds easily. Red pill advice is bad for women because it allows men who would otherwise be easily identified as a loser and rules out quickly to get farther with women. Someone could have been a total loser only a few years prior but cloaked himself in enough of a facade of self-improvement to fool her sensors and slip past her defenses. Obviously this is very bad for women, who already have a much higher amount of work in vetting men, and so women almost universally dislike red pill.

addings0 · 2026-04-29T17:40:12+00:00

People don't acknowledge a truth, they cannot exploit.

ArtisticLime9769 · 2026-04-29T19:17:12+00:00

Both have some truth behind it, RP is radical and extreme - a lot of RP advices are harmful. Bluepill advices just don't align with reality most of the times at all.
Where bluepill fails is dogma that you just need a right person, be yourself and so on - will it help? Hell, no. A lot of "mainstream" BP ideas is bullshit.
Dating is competition and you need tools to win it.
Where is RP is right: you either a winner or looser, there is no second places.

ThenCombination7358 · 2026-04-30T11:46:22+00:00

You are confusing the blue pill with bad sitcom writing. Evidence based relationship advice is not about only to worship women and wait in the friendzone. Research on healthy relationships consistently points to communication, emotional stability, confidence, mutual respect, shared values, and attraction on both sides.

Self improvement absolutely helps dating, but that is not uniquely red pill. Fitness, career success, social skills, and confidence matter because they make you a healthier and more attractive person overall. Therapists and psychologists have said this forever without the misogyny attached.

Also, if a woman is not interested romantically, that is not her “using” a man. Friendship is not a delayed sex contract. That mindset creates resentment and usually makes dating harder.

The healthiest mindset is probably the boring middle ground: improve yourself, respect yourself, communicate clearly, and date people who genuinely reciprocate interest.

KayRay1994 · 2026-04-29T22:12:26+00:00

“I don’t agree with the pills”

“Anyway, the redpill is extreme. But the blue pill? Well, the blue pill is exactly the boogeyman the redpill says it is”

1) there is no such thing as the blue pill outside of red and black circles

2) I find it funny that your only view of non red (or black) pill viewpoints is a cartoony strawman

thenamestammy · 2026-04-29T21:03:57+00:00

Absolutely disagree.

Red pill gives very toxic "advice". Dangerous and malicious approach.

Outside_Memory5703 · 2026-04-29T22:13:24+00:00

Mainstream advice that works for the majority is better than minority advice that works for a minority

Creative_cacti · 2026-04-29T17:42:57+00:00

Why do you want to be with that woman in the first place? She sounds like a slut.

Find one who has the same values you do and form an authentic relationship. If it works out then great and of it doesn't them move on. It's not a game and nothing you try in order to "win" is going to work. Blue pill is just honesty.

Avast_Lion · 2026-04-29T19:26:54+00:00

What blue pill advice? The "blue pill" is just people who aren't part of the niche online subculture TRP. The makers of Hollywood romcoms are blue pill, yes, but so are Mormon fundamentalists and lesbian separatists and the Amish and the president of the United States, and I can tell you they would all give you pretty different dating advice. I'm blue pill, but I don't think that self improvement and getting sexy and cool is like...bad advice. I think it's great advice.

That said, I think TRP also gives terrible advice. It is terrible advice to tell men that they should feel somehow humiliated by being friends with hot women (being friends with hot women is a great way to get good at talking to hot women and meet other hot women), or by the fact that their girlfriend has had sex with people who aren't them (it's the 21st century. Women are having sex). I don't feel humiliated by the fact that I'm friends with hot men who I am attracted to, or that my boyfriends have had lots of sex with other women, and that means my dating options are way less restricted, I'm better at dating, and I'm not frustrated or unhappy about something I have no need to feel frustrated or unhappy about.

Solondthewookiee · 2026-04-29T21:18:33+00:00

Where are blue pillers saying this? Can you provide some links?

Commercial-Baker4668 · 2026-04-29T18:08:37+00:00

ITT: most likely an inexperienced young male ranting about “blue pill advice” to men who actually have multi year relationships.

ThatBitchA · 2026-04-29T21:34:10+00:00

Working out and self improvement wasn't invented by RP.

Those aren't even RP concepts.

What you described isn't BP either. Most of what you described is overly dramatic. Hilariously so.

"How destructive her past is". My god. Y'all are such whiners.

Ronniebbb · 2026-04-29T21:28:28+00:00

When the hell has blue pill said any of that?

EmpressJJ · 2026-04-30T07:35:44+00:00

Here’s the fun fact tho: 99% of the people you met aren’t railing half the town so don’t worry if you put a bit more effort into liking someone sure

Lenovo_Driver · 2026-04-30T04:44:26+00:00

I mean if you make up whatever “blue pill advice” is in your head then it will be whatever you concoct

Title	I don’t agree with any of the pills but blue pill advice is far worse than red pill
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