Do you believe in love?

Hjelmert · 2022-05-17T22:10:27+00:00

Absolutely. I hear the cringe and otherwordly descriptions of love from fiction and i think, damn that's exactly how i feel about my man. I would take a bullet for him.

I know i'm extremely lucky though to have found that type of love on the first try, but then again most of my friends are in relationships similar to mine, pure love. I guess it's something in the water lol.

baresquad · 2022-05-17T21:23:27+00:00

Yeah, love exists, I’ve loved a few times as you can also fall out of it

Everybody just seems has a dumb ass way of going about finding it, like you say everything is superficial manufactured exchanges. It’s like people are trying to check off boxes instead of organically letting connections happen

It’s always something like go on first 3 dates, establish exclusivity, now we’re boyfriend and girlfriend. That’s fake and forced

Orange_Paisley · 2022-05-17T21:22:39+00:00

I do believe in love, I've been surrounded by examples of it all my life. It's not the stuff of faerie tales but of real people living normal lives. My mom and stepdad: 45 years together. My 2 uncles and my aunt married childhood sweethearts and are still together 30-40 years later. I think viewing love as transactional says all I need to know about RP to know that's not how I want to live.

Bikerbats · 2022-05-17T21:22:38+00:00

Absolutely. It's the magic that blinds my wife to all of my flaws, and keeps her eternally young in my eyes.

learn2earn89 · 2022-05-17T22:00:21+00:00

For some people it does exist. For people like myself, probably not.

SylvestorTalone · 2022-05-17T22:07:35+00:00

I think the RP line is more that women only love children, and not men, rather than that they are incapable of love at all. That's how I see it anyway.

No_Regular1586 · 2022-05-17T22:58:01+00:00

No. Anyone that does is delusional or attractive, though those usually are one and the same.

TheMedsPeds · 2022-05-18T01:49:26+00:00

There is a reason a lot of movies and songs are written about love. It’s a hell of an emotion. For those who don’t believe in it, I get it. But if you’ve experienced it you know it’s real.

badsign12 · 2022-05-17T21:46:49+00:00

I'm a man and I have that sort of love for my partner and I feel it back from her. It's exquisite.

ashpr0ulx · 2022-05-17T21:17:10+00:00

so much. can’t even put that shit into words. i look at my partner and i feel this overwhelming love and admiration and hot damn mixed with some look at that man go

i think it’s hard to find, and hard to keep. but it exists

PurpleKittensRock · 2022-05-18T08:29:11+00:00

Yes, love does exist. Sometimes wish it didn’t. Would make things so much easier.

But then again, when it hits you - you feel like a new person. You feel like life just got a little better because that person exists, and now all the power in the world is yours because love gives you strength and meaning. Your heart expands and you feel so much nicer, so much more giving. You basically want to hug the world and give everyone muffins because you want everyone else to feel what you feel.

I live for it ⭐️

Yummylicky23 · 2022-05-17T21:24:14+00:00

Yes. I believe in true love. I feel like we see it a lot in our lives, at least my life

Lysa_Bell · 2022-05-17T21:28:18+00:00

I think true love shows brightest when it's very dark. Bf and I met when we were both in super dark places. We support each other. It's easy when you have nothing but love.

errrright · 2022-05-17T21:51:37+00:00

I don't necessarily believe in "one true love", but of course I believe in love. Relationships can and do exist beyond the transactional mentality of "what's in it for me". Humans are inherently flawed, but if we let go of our egos just enough we can experience love.

chingness · 2022-05-17T22:05:51+00:00

Absolutely unequivocally yes but I do also think that sadly not everyone gets to experience it. When you do it’s not case of believing in it because you know it.

SouthernGrass3 · 2022-05-17T22:45:18+00:00

Absolutely. We’re still stupidly in love after a decade plus together.

thetruthishere_ · 2022-05-18T02:15:36+00:00

Yes. Ive experienced it.

There is also the love of you have to set someone free. Ive had to, he wanted kids and I didnt. I needed to let him go to find a women that wanted a family. Thats also love. He would have not been happy with having no children.

He has three kids and all good in life just like I am without them.

FineDevelopment00 · 2022-05-18T08:49:37+00:00

Do you believe in love?

I mean the kind from music, from movies, from Psalms, from Shakespeare.

Do you believe it exists and is experienced?

Yes I do, and I am living it.

AelfredRex · 2022-05-18T14:14:37+00:00

Yes. I have experienced true and profound love personally. This is why I can't stand the Red Pill or incel cults. Both the same thing but in differing degrees of narcissism. They mock love because they are incapable of loving anyone but themselves. Women to them are mere objects to fulfill their own personal lusts and fantasies, just props for their fragile egos. They project all their own prejudices and insecurities onto women so they can justify their own behaviour. These same guys would dump a girlfriend in a heartbeat if a "hotter" one became available, yet have the nerve to accuse women of "hypergamy". They are the ones obsessed with looks and status, yet accuse women of it.

The real reason they fail so much at romance is because they lack the capacity to love others, but their egos refuse to accept that fact.

Reisiluu · 2022-05-18T18:42:53+00:00

Of course it exists. There are descriptions of love in every culture and art form. The people saying it doesn't exist are trying to rationalize to themselves that they aren't worse off for never having felt it when other people around the world seemingly have.

SmarmyPapsmears · 2022-05-17T21:36:33+00:00

PPD is either autistic men who's emotional range doesn't go that far or high n women with 1 frazzled synaptic transmitter left. These people physically can't love.

ZaraFlips · 2022-05-17T21:38:18+00:00

For the first 35 years of my life I would have said no. I mean I understood the concept and thought that I might have experienced love to some degree, but until I met my husband I had no idea what real love was. Cheesy I know, but true. Then when I had children, my concept of love was completely redefined for the second time in my life.

applesauceindeed · 2022-05-17T21:20:37+00:00

I believe in love but I do also feel like relationships need a lot more than just love to work. Love is commitment, it’s an action but also a feeling. It can look like a Disney film or a man working 80 hour weeks in a mine for his family.

MrMushySauce · 2022-05-17T21:33:44+00:00

In different capacities absolutely

For some people you only have what is referred to in all those places for a limited duration. Maybe you have a 7-year relationship with a girl, and the "true love" period or whatever was 4 years of that. Some people are lucky enough to have a full-life relationship like that. Some have no relationships like that.

I think that characterization that movies/etc do is just like the 'pinnacle' of a good relationship. The idealized one. Realistically, life is really unfair, and some people get experiences way closer to that being realized than others. But in a "can it ever be" sense, yeah--I think two people could genuinely meet each other, have like 10/10 interest in each other across the board, and sustain it very happily. Some fights, of course, but they even have those in the movies. Lol

Unfortunately

50% of marriages divorce (or something like that)

Going on a limb that a lot of the remainder does not spend their whole time together in that kind of state

So hey, maybe your odds aren't the best. But anything is possible yo

PutThatMagicJumpOnMe · 2022-05-17T21:38:49+00:00

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PlayfulLawyer · 2022-05-17T22:30:26+00:00

Absolutely I believe in love, it's a great experience that I've been honored to have, now just because you love somebody doesn't mean that it's not going to hurt to tell them to get the fuck out of your house whenever you find them doing something nefarious behind your back, but yes I do

PMmeareasontolive · 2022-05-17T22:52:33+00:00

"the kind from the movies" yes, but it's fleeting.

There are other kinds of love that are more lasting (and romantic love can transition to one of those) but romantic love generally burns brightly and dies. Not that it has to end poorly; dying embers can still warm. It doesn't mean love turns to resentment, or anything like that, unless you have unrealistic expectations that your person or yourself are never going to change and everything will be frozen in time like it was on day one.

That doesn't mean it's not worth it.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2022-05-17T23:09:33+00:00

Absolutely. Love is a beautiful thing and it's what makes the world go round.

KikiYuyu · 2022-05-17T23:10:53+00:00

Of course it exists. You can observe it happening within the brain. The brain lights up in a scan if you are thinking of a loved one.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2022-05-17T23:14:37+00:00

Yes, “fell in love” a couple times. Then actually met the One, realized you “grow in love together” not simply “fall”, and married each other. And that love grew even more as we grew together as a family.

AwakenTheSavage · 2022-05-17T23:30:04+00:00

I believe in realistic love, not ideal love. Ideal love is just that: an ideal. Realistic love is true love and is much more consistent, dependable, and attainable than fleeting ideals. Realistic love is based in choosing to show your partner your devotion and appreciation every single day. It’s giving your very best because someone who loves you brings out the best in you.

Deranged_Loner · 2022-05-17T23:33:37+00:00

Yes, I do think love exists. My parents have been happily married for 30+ years and they are what I think love is.

I also think not everyone will get to have love or experience love.

godandgoddess · 2022-05-17T23:42:14+00:00

Yeah but I don’t believe it’s something most people experience, only a select few lucky people.

wtknight · 2022-05-17T23:45:12+00:00

Yeah. It's great. But it's different than the lust that people have when they first meet that people think is love.

gate18 · 2022-05-18T00:04:44+00:00

...Men are depicted as similarly shallow, but somehow with less intent to be? In any case, neither party truly loves one another.

That has nothing to do with the love "from music, from movies, from Psalms, from Shakespeare"!

You just said people don't love other people. I agree

Juliet loved Romeo but did not love Mercutio as well.

The red pull people talk about women in general, not women they are in love with.

(That's not me defending them)

I think love does exist!

However, if Romeo and Juliet were allowed to be together, they would have needed other human things to keep themselves together.

What if Romeo didn't like reading and couldn't help but look down on people that read, and Juliet was the opossite. What if Juliet loved video cames and Romeo thought the make you lazy... simple, stupid things that need more than love

If a red piller ever falls in love he'd be like "I never said all women were X, Y, Z, I happened to find the one unicorn"

Activedepravity · 2022-05-18T03:26:04+00:00

No.

Infatuation - Yes

Lust - Yes

Stunning-Potato-1984 · 2022-05-18T03:29:10+00:00

I believe in a thing called love.

renfsu · 2022-05-18T03:59:47+00:00

It's just hormones and emotions

wiz-weird · 2022-05-18T04:35:09+00:00

No, it doesn’t. We’re all monkeys with chemicals surging through our brains while we sit on a spinning rock flying through the universe.

purplish_possum · 2022-05-18T04:49:15+00:00

I like the idea of love.

Mayhem977 · 2022-05-18T10:08:56+00:00

In my opinion, love is one of the biggest lies ever told to humanity. Answer me this: Do you really think that a violent and selfish species such as humans are truly capable of this thing you call love? Humans commit atrocities. We commit genocide, war, we kill and discriminate based on race, economic statues, sex, and culture. We steal, lie, and backstab each other if it’s for our own benefit. So after knowing all this, do you really think we are capable of this so called “love”? Sounds quite absurd doesn’t it? Love is just an idea to give some idealists and optimists some sense of false hope. Humans are selfish and greedy creatures that’s why wars are still happening and the divorce and infidelity rates are still rising. Doesn’t matter how advanced we think we are, our nature stays the same. Do I wish that love exists though? That the very idea and foundations of it were true? Of course. But you gotta see the reality of things and not cling on to idealism. Love can exist but I have yet to see it or have it reciprocated. Sometimes, even loving someone can bring you more harm than good. That’s just one of the sad facts of reality. If love was possible, you would have to work hard to find it especially during these times.

melody_of_ · 2022-05-18T10:27:55+00:00

No I haven't seen any examples where the women's love was not paired with the implict or explicit perception that she was getting a lot more out of the pairing then she was giving back. The few examples I can think of to the contrary tended to be with very young women when I was a teenager. This is of course before they realize their absolute primacy in all things dating and intimacy. Its definitely a very transactional love.

Men and women aren't really capable of loving each other in the same way. but love is still all around us. In books movies plays and the likes. Just because it isint "real" in the ideal sense that doesn't mean it isint accessible and enjoyable for many men through art and other expressions.

NockerJoe · 2022-05-17T21:28:56+00:00

I don't know about you but Shakespeare's greatest love story involved two teenagers who killed themselves and the biblical proverbs mostly just tell you to settle down and not cheat.

The issue with "love" is that people imagine it to be involving a person who's 100% flawless and exists only to complete them and asks for nothing in return, and forget that actual relationships involve actual humans who have a give and take.

briiiana1122 · 2022-05-17T21:57:18+00:00

I’ve had this conversation with my partner. I think the infatuation, stars in your eyes, love at first sight, almost frantic phase is not love, and so many people confuse it with love. It’s lust, honeymoon phase, and probably something to be very aware of and not trust since it makes you blind to a myriad of red flags and reasons to stay away from that relationship. To me love is the feeling of family and caring and respect that grows with getting to know someone. It is the safety of having that with someone who feels that way about you. This doesn’t in any way exclude sexual chemistry, it just doesn’t blind you with only sexual chemistry without substance.

And yes I’ve experienced both, the latter is the type that I feel and have with my partner now.

creekcrystall · 2022-05-17T21:15:14+00:00

Sometimes I question why red-pillers don’t just date other men since they speak so highly of each other. None of these men sound particularly straight.

Love is a flowing emotion. You can feel love today and feel hate tomorrow. So to answer you question, yes but it is flowing.

sabiinvesting · 2022-05-17T21:39:22+00:00

My parents were deeply in love with each other until my dad passed away. My boyfriend's parents are still deeply in love with each other and they are in their 70's. Love exists, and it is something people should strive to achieve. I say "strive to achieve" because it isn't easily obtained, and it takes a lot of effort to achieve and maintain.

Of course one should be adding some kind of value to be invited into the other person's life. That's the transactional part of it. Sure, it can be sex and money, but it could also be to enrich the heart.

Barely-moral · 2022-05-17T23:10:15+00:00

I believe in love. I believe there are different kinds of love and different ways of loving.

I don't believe women are able to love men the way men are able to love women.

ExtremeNihilism · 2022-05-17T23:18:08+00:00

No. I've seen so many people cheating, lying, using me, trying to humiliate me in some passive aggressive bullshit, and finally being so worn down and broken where I no longer can trust or feel anything or even imagine or fantasize about intimacy. I can't do it anymore. I can't fantastize about a future lover in my head. It's all sex. That's the only honest reality. I only do hookups now because they are more honest than the lies in a relationshit.

BrofLong · 2022-05-17T21:26:48+00:00

Are you asking for RP's opinion specifically? I think most non-RP people (myself included) would respond yes. Even most RP people I would guess would respond yes - it just comes with more caveats.

Some people try to take the route of 'it's a chemical reaction' thing as if that somehow makes it fake. Literally all of sensations and perceptions are chemical reactions. Hunger is pretty real to me!

sarkington · 2022-05-17T21:35:00+00:00

Yes, humans are capable of caring about other humans, especially if they make them feel good

chalkandapples · 2022-05-17T21:51:34+00:00

Yes, although I think the stories from media are either over exaggerated, or isn't very common.

Lust is quick, but love have to develop over time and becomes more of a familiar bond. It's always sketchy when people fall in love quickly.

HazyMemory7 · 2022-05-17T22:01:54+00:00

Yes, but I believe that unshakeable, near unconditional romantic love that people sort of talk is exceptionally, exceptionally rare. Generally couples love each other because of the underlying things that they add to each other's lives, but unlike unconditional love from your family that sort of love is easier to break. Intuitively, the divorce rate is right in line with this idea.

That love between a man and a woman (for the sake of this post that's what I'm talking about) where nothing but death will separate you and you will always be there for each each through thick and thin is something very few people ever have. I'd go so far as to say that most people are outright incapable of it. Human beings are inherently selfish.

Zarx366 · 2022-05-17T22:06:46+00:00

Not really and certainly not as described in romantic movies and books.

I see it like a chemical reaction to satisfy our primary reproductive needs. After a few years (2-4 years? probably depends of each person) this reaction fade and the couple has to work/fight to keep it alive.
And that's where the real couple begins, your gf/bf became your bestfriend and the routine sets in.
Of course, it may works for some, but not for all.
And I am deeply convinced that many couples stay together mainly out of fear (fear of being alone, fear of having to start over with someone else, fear for the children) and others for reasons of reputation (especially in the US), convenience or simply because they are lazy.

Beside those, I still believe that some couples are really happy together and will overcome these difficulties (and maybe some mentionned above will end up on that last category).

YouAskedIt · 2022-05-17T22:19:36+00:00

I believe in love. I don't believe in unconditional relationships where everything can be forgiven if you really love them. That doesn't exist.

RinoaRita · 2022-05-17T22:22:59+00:00

There are many different types of love even with in the supposed world Shakespeare/rom coms/Hollywood etc. There’s the crush where it’s mostly lust where you don’t even know the person but you’re projecting who they could be or who you hope they’ll become.

There’s also the one where you’ve been together forever and you know everything about them and you love them for it as well.

There’s also in between the two where it’s some hope and projection and pining and some deep nurturing and adoration of who your partner is as a person.

OscarSmiled · 2022-05-17T22:25:25+00:00

It exists for tiny little portions of time when something amazing happens and you're hormonally and chemically in the right state.

And then you're not.

It's not continuous and consistent.

just_a_place · 2022-05-17T22:35:59+00:00

Love is chemical. Thus I believe in it in the way that I believe Life is real but I do not believe in it in the way in which one would hold any kind of faith in it.

What I mean is that I do not believe love is intrinsic. Nobody loves for love's own sake. Love is always conditional and transaction. We either love because we are chemically compelled or because we have fallen in some idealistic dream thereby we place a limited faith on a good outcome. There is no such thing as Love in the sense where it withstands any trials. Love does not withstand any true tests. Therefore love does not exist because it does not endure, when it does it is always because the circumstance which upheld it were what was being sustained and not the other way around.

Love does not uphold nor sustain anything, it actually demands and puts a constant strain on our wits and our willpower. Love is gun but only as long as we do not lose perspective and idealize it into something that it's not.

Friedidli · 2022-05-17T22:36:50+00:00

I do.

But i think it's rare.

To the point that everyone knows that one couple but in reality that kinda thing is something that you can only hope to aspire to.

Love depends on the actions of both sides to nurture it.

I could be perfect, but i fully expect my partner to drop the ball somewhere along the way.

I also think that people dangle the possibility of it to get others to do things they wouldn't normally do. So there is that

Basically you are looking for an oasis in a desert full of marauders

LegitimateGlad · 2022-05-17T22:38:22+00:00

This recently got brought up at work, no I don't believe love exist. Love is a lie; I have never felt love. People are so quick to throw away their own kids or even their marriage over the smallest things now a days. Even if i somehow came to believe in love it is the smallest thread that breaks over anything. I also don't like how people throw the word around, dating for a week oh baby i love you...

goatismycopilot · 2022-05-17T23:06:43+00:00

Yes and No. The way romantic love is presented in the movies or idealistic fiction? No. Or I believe it can be like that for a short time and then it evolves into something else. Most long term happy relationships married or not are not a series of grand moments and grand gestures.

Pop culture also has so many love tropes about what is " normal" that are in reality pretty bayshit crazy: the crazy up and down relationship, the strangers who meet briefly and fall hopelessly in love, the couple who hate each other and then fall in love, the opposites attract couple, the beauty and the beast version of love, the star crossed lovers who will do anything to be together including wreaking havoc on everybody else.

Abandons65 · 2022-05-17T23:20:06+00:00

I really want to believe in love, but time and time again it seems out of my reach, like a fairy tale. I guess I’m just unlucky, maybe it exists but it feels like only the decent looking people get to experience it. No one really dreams of loving an ugly person, they only settle.

Maybe I’m wrong but it feels like true love is just unachievable

DrinkItInMan11 · 2022-05-17T23:54:05+00:00

Love yes, unconditional love? No, it just doesn't exist. All love is conditional.

Kirkybeefjerky · 2022-05-18T00:04:51+00:00

Yes, from a man’s perspective, once I healed myself, in my life I’ve felt unconditional romantic love for one person, to the point even at break, I just wished happiness / the best for them even if it was not with me. In terms of family and my brothers “homies” it’s a given once you’ve developed that bond of trust.

GlowingAsItDazzles · 2022-05-18T00:35:06+00:00

why would i judge love from art rather than from a lifetime of experience with it?

legend0102 · 2022-05-18T00:51:24+00:00

Reciprocal love, and then building a successful relationship upon that love is very rare, I think. It exists. But few cases.

Most relationships are based on some sort of transaction

urukshai · 2022-05-18T01:12:33+00:00

Yes I do even often being cynic about it.

CocoBabeNYC · 2022-05-18T01:52:32+00:00

I don't really get romantic anymore. Biggest waste of my time to be honest. People are not meant to be monogamous. We are meant to stay together for a few years, just enough to raise a child until they are old enough to walk and then bounce to the next adventure.

M3taBuster · 2022-05-18T01:57:18+00:00

I do think it exists, but I think only a small minority of people ever acheive it in a lasting form. Most people in relationships/marriages settle for someone less than they desire, stay together out of convenience, and delude themselves with copium like "life is not a fairy tail", "it's natural to be attracted to other people", etc.

This is the mindset of losers who have resigned themselves to mediocrity. Make life a fairy tail. Be with someone so attractive that everyone else looks second rate by comparison. And so on.

For example: Virtually no couple in which both partners are fat truly love each other. And over 2/3s of the population are fat (in the U.S. at least). And that's just one factor.

intelectualycurious · 2022-05-18T03:09:15+00:00

Love is something that you can become… not something that you can take from another person. Human love is fickle because it’s based on a transactional relationship between two people. Self-love is the only love you can control. Even when the other person doesn’t reciprocate, you can respond in a way that shows love to yourself.

throwaway316stunner · 2022-05-18T04:24:51+00:00

I believe in love, just never got to have the experience.

gardenfan167 · 2022-05-18T06:49:01+00:00

No I don't believe in love. People these days are hostile, defensive, apathetic, and narcissistic. But I believe we can create love for future generations to come.

The_Meep_Lord · 2022-05-18T12:23:02+00:00

Yes and no.

The feelings exist, but it is nothing more then chemical releases in the brain telling you to stay together for the sake of babies.

The feelings are real, the cause is disappointing.

Redditcritic6666 · 2022-05-18T14:13:09+00:00

The concept exist, and therefore it exist as a concept.

The Question should be: do you believe that the idea of love (as presented in music, movies, Psalms, Shakespeare) exist to the general population? And the Answer is also a surprising yes because for these ideas to be popularized, the general population just have experienced it or at least emphasizes with it at once in their life time.

Now the REAL question here is... does the idea of love, again as presented in music, movies, Psalms, Shakespeare, solid foundation to a healthy and long lasting positive relationship? The answer is a resounding no, not because these ideas aren't healthy or important in a relationship, but because a healthy and long lasting positive relationship needs more then that to survive. That's the point most people got wrong.

It seems redpillers see man/woman relationships as purely superficial exchanges of goods and services, as an impersonal series of purchases and payments. Women especially are depicted as unable to love, as shallow, disloyal snakes. Men are depicted as similarly shallow, but somehow with less intent to be? In any case, c

It's important to describe what the kind of love that was described in music, from movies, Psalms, and Shakespear is, and that's just feelings and emotions, and that these feelings are fleeting and often shallow and whimsical. It should be of no surprised that a relationship that is purely built on the idea of Romanized loved would be considered shallow and where " neither party truly loves one another." because when you say "loves" on that line, what you mean truly love isn't just Romanticized loved.

Mark_Freed · 2022-05-18T14:17:35+00:00

I believe it exists in a transient sense. For a few rare people it might last decades and gracefully transition into a more comfort based, predictable, love. For most of us it fades and it gets harder to maintain the illusion.

sootlord · 2022-05-18T14:59:42+00:00

I use to be the guy that always believed that fairy tale love exists and that there was one true person out there when I was in my late teens but now being 30 time has dramatically changed my views on it.

Yeah I can maybe try to love someone but I will always keep my needs and priorities above anything else now. People confuse LUST with LOVE. Relationships at there core needs to be beneficial.

taeminskey · 2022-05-18T16:31:43+00:00

No. The love portrayed in fiction is so unrealistic and too perfect it doesnt exist in real life. There will always be problems and people aint perfect.

localmicrodosechamp · 2022-05-18T18:16:04+00:00

i believe from birth men are taught not to be loving towards themselves, other men, or women.

i believe in love, but not with men in this culture.

blaizken_420 · 2022-05-18T22:39:39+00:00

No. It's a mythologized exaggeration of simple biological instincts.

None0fYour8usiness · 2022-05-19T13:26:49+00:00

I really fucking want to.

Because I did love my ex that way.

My parents and grandparents love eachother that way.

But experience tells me other people my generation or younger don't love that way anymore, men or women.

Satellitedish710 · 2022-05-19T15:52:02+00:00

AreOut · 2022-05-19T16:25:48+00:00

Love exists until it doesn't.

cautionTomorrow555 · 2022-05-17T23:01:34+00:00

Not anymore I don't think women are actually capable of feeling it towards their partner only men are capable of it. Women do seem capable of it towards their children but not their husband which makes it even more confusing and strange, but I assume this is because that is a different kind of love. From what I can tell women don't feel love they only feel lust or things such as a desire for a guys utility and what he provides not actual love.

Lateralanouncer · 2022-05-17T21:43:19+00:00

Red pill also has the subject onitis and how to manage it into days modern casual dating culture. Red pill men even rollo constantly says he loves his wife. So yes men believe in love but we have to be very careful.

LowCreddit · 2022-05-17T21:56:59+00:00

I do believe in love, but I don't believe women love men back. They can only admire and lust. They can only love children and animals.

cel-shaded · 2022-05-17T21:24:24+00:00

By now i think it's a Hollywood invention based on the hormone-fueled puppy love you get as a teenager.

decoy88 · 2022-05-17T21:47:40+00:00

Do you believe in love?

Absolutely.

I mean the kind from music, from movies, from Psalms, from Shakespeare.

Oh, no no no not at all. Those are exaggerated romanticised descriptions (usually of lust + infatuation).

Do you believe it exists and is experienced?

It is but not in the way songwriters make it sound.

It seems redpillers see man/woman relationships as purely superficial exchanges of goods and services, as an impersonal series of purchases and payments.

It does.

Women especially are depicted as unable to love, as shallow, disloyal snakes. Men are depicted as similarly shallow, but somehow with less intent to be? In any case, neither party truly loves one another.

It’s dumb.

MalePsychopath · 2022-05-17T21:50:53+00:00

Love exists, there’s no doubt about that. You can see the activation patterns in the brain and measure the hormones. It’s a very real thing.

https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/love-actually-science-behind-lust-attraction-companionship/

But it’s not more than this. I don’t believe that love is this magical thing like the poets are trying to tell us.
The reality is much more shallow and transactional.

abaxeron · 2022-05-18T12:05:18+00:00

Do I believe that a genre fiction literary trope actually reflects reality? - No; I'm not 4.

Sigma-grindset786 · 2022-05-17T21:48:54+00:00

No, there is no such thing as love. Wasting your time on this non sense and hoping for that one magical person to turn up in your life is stupid and childish.

sernamedeleted · 2022-05-17T22:42:13+00:00

Healthy relationships are based on open and honest communication between mature consenting adults who treat each other with respect and share common interests and compatible life goals.

We call this "true love."

jkj199390 · 2022-05-18T01:55:34+00:00

Not really, no.

I'm probably very bitter in regards to traditional relationships and that's why I don't want them. I find them phony (I'll explain). It sucks but I can't help it.

There was a point in my life where I noticed that when I was vulnerable and depressed, with nothing going for me, I wasn't given the time of day by any woman. I was lucky to even get a conversation.

Suddenly, right around my junior year of high school, I decide to fake a very outgoing and borderline aggressive personality, become extremely outspoken on my views, and this leads to me getting successful in a career, moving out of state, getting into a relationship, getting my life somewhat "together", and then all of a sudden I'm getting texts

"Hey jkj199390, I miss you, come home"

"Hey jkj199390 wanna hang out?"

"Hey jkj199390, looking so good blah blah"

Like.....that's so fake. You don't like me at all. Where were you back then, when I felt like shit and actually needed somebody?

So that made me really, really bitter in regards to "love". And I haven't forgotten it. Nobody loved the real me, and therefore I feel they don't deserve the real me.

The first time I saw a sex worker I was 21 and we had a conversation about this, the whole thing just felt so much more honest and real. Like, she didn't care if I had my shit together or if I was in a good place mentally, I just handed over the money and we had a good time and a deep conversation on top of that. I still talk to her to this day.

So to be clear, I'm not blaming anyone here, it's not anyone's fault, I just think human nature is real shitty in this regard and that's why I don't want the traditional marriage/children lifestyle with somebody who doesn't even love the real me.

Substantial_Video560 · 2022-05-19T16:39:05+00:00

No, romantic films, music and fiction bore me to death.

I was romantic when I was younger but soon discovered the hard edge of reality. I still do have love though for my family, animals and hobbies and interests.

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Title	Do you believe in love?
Author	MelodiousTones
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Comments	284
Date	May 17, 2022 9:07 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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