r/femaledatingstrategy is disgusting.

Orange_Paisley · 2019-10-28T14:35:19+00:00

I like the parts about setting boundaries, knowing your worth, and not putting up with bullshit. The gold digging parts not so much.

crackrocksteady7 · 2019-10-28T14:47:43+00:00

What's the problem? If you know how to spot gold digging whores itll never negatively affect you

and ditching them afterwards because they "dared to ask to split the check" is an okay thing to do..?

See, if I'm in this situation and shes demanding I pay I'm out

JulesPierreMeoww · 2019-10-29T05:38:03+00:00

I keep seeing this female strategy subreddit on /all and this sub. Went and explored it. Honestly, it doesn’t seem that bad to me. This is the sort of advice that was given to girls and women for a millennia across many cultures. My aunts, mother and grandmother and all their friends wouldn’t see anything wrong with it all and these are women happily married for decades to masculine, provided men.

It’s a reflection of Reddit’s very young male base that the content in that sub comes as such a shock. The language used in the sub is pretty harsh but I think it’s refreshingly bracing. Women can never have too much advice regarding having strong boundaries and vetting and filtering men cause the stakes for making bad decisions re mate selection reverberate for a long time for her and her offspring.

Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

finch2200 · 2019-10-28T14:41:03+00:00

I like to look at r/femaledatingstrategy the same way I look at r/incel or r/gendercritical: a fringe group of individuals that, while they may believe what they see and post, would probably never express their ideas, at least not in a similar fashion, outside of dedicated group settings.

Plus, it just seems like the sister sub to r/TheRedPill.

loqueserasera01 · 2019-10-28T17:40:30+00:00

I use to red a lot of red pill stuff and I agree with some of it. Especially self improvement. But some if it is really shitty. I think where they get is wrong is when they start thinking men are superior morally to women. You have shitty people in both genders. I'm not perfect. You have to be as smart as you can. First date for me is coffee unless I know the girl really well.

bonusfruit · 2019-10-28T14:53:32+00:00

Let them be. Personally I'm glad they are so open about it. Years of trp theorizing can't compare to reading it straight from the womans playbook. Its naive to think of 2019 courtship as anything other than battle.

largepaycheckaddict · 2019-10-28T15:23:23+00:00

If the guy makes a 6 figure income and can’t bother to pay for a couple drinks on a date that amounts to like $15-20 I actually kind of agree- as a red pill guy. If I was a woman in that situation I would be very turned off I think. Not from a gold digging perspective but just out of basic social etiquette and decency.

On the other hand if both parties are young- say college students and obviously broke, this is ridiculous. Also women will always make an exception for a guy she’s really hot for.

teramelosiscool · 2019-10-28T16:35:25+00:00

as many here have already said, yeah, it just seems like a female version of many of the red pill strategies that men employ. a guy spinning plates and leading women on is scummy, and a girl manipulating guys for free stuff is scummy. that said, especially among older generations, a guy paying has always kind of been the norm. I doubt my mom ever splits the check when she dates and she's in her 60's, so the people saying "just wait until your 30's you won't be able to get away with this anymore" strike me as delusional and just trying to comfort themselves. also i went on the removeddit version of that post and there were like 20 comments calling that girl a cunt, etc. I doubt trp has to deal nearly as much with women coming on their sub and calling them pieces of shit. also like 80% of posts on that sub are at 0 karma, strikes me as pretty pathetic that guys feel the need to go onto that sub and mass downvote every post lol

diffdedbed · 2019-10-28T15:17:55+00:00

I don't get why this sub puts some guys panties in a bunch. I view it as more parody then reality. No high value guy is going to go for it, and low self esteem guys already get used.

Its like the women who got mad at PUA forums when they first came out, and I view this as less effective than PUA.

immibis · 2019-10-28T15:19:21+00:00

TRP is about men getting something they want from women by exploiting female psychology. FDS is about women getting something they want from men by exploiting male psychology. Either they're both disgusting, or neither is.

Ofourkind · 2019-10-28T15:34:52+00:00

As upsetting as many of these strategies are, they do work

playful_myth · 2019-10-28T19:32:02+00:00

Their argument is much more complex than that. They're screening out cheap dating prospects that will use them for sex and live off them. We all know that women carry a bigger burden when they sleep with a man. The consequences, be them good or bad, fall more heavily on their shoulders. What you're seeing there is women having standards.

neualgae · 2019-10-28T14:42:35+00:00

I don't agree with that strategy, but the impression that I got was that they wanted to use whether or not a man pays as a screening mechanism to see if he is likely to commit, not exploit men that they weren't interested in for free meals? I might be wrong though, I didn't spend too much time reading that sub.

I don't think it's good advice for the same reason that "if she doesn't sleep with you on the first date, she's not into you" isn't good advice, but I'm not sure it's "disgusting"? I feel like the most likely result of someone reading that sub is that they go from accepting garbage treatment from men to pushing away all men, which is not good for the women there but it's not as toxically manipulative as TRP.

katymarx · 2019-10-28T14:00:14+00:00

Dude its almost identically converse of RedPill with our own short and long term goals in mind.

Ive fucking cried after reading some of the horrible ways women are treated and described by TRP and mgtow. Amoral is amoral and those are the strategies. Don't read it if you are sensitive snowflake. I had to stop reading most of it because it was feeding into my still standing belief that most men are utter garbage.

NOTSM · 2019-10-28T14:05:39+00:00

That sub is hilarious, I really hope they don't ban it

jacemano · 2019-10-28T14:29:57+00:00

Actually I love it. Absolutely love it.

It's as red as TRP, just the opposite. It's amoral and taking optimal feminine strategies. I mean sure, I wouldn't want to date a woman who comes from that. Leave that to some poor sap, but I approve totally.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

PickUpScientist · 2019-10-28T17:36:19+00:00

posts like this are actually a good strategy (don't have sex with the guy you are dating, have sex with someone else while testing his commitment by making him wait). the more i read the sub the more i actually appreciate the tactics. its brutal, but life is brutal.

greenteaapplepie69 · 2019-10-29T07:45:06+00:00

They used to say “make love, not war.” But now we seem to be doing both. 🤷🏻‍♀️ 😘

geyejoe7 · 2019-10-28T15:28:42+00:00

Your reaction to this is the same that most women have when reading about TRP. The way men talk about women there is very similar to the utilitarian, me first attitude that r/femaledatingstrategy espouses. Just different angles of the same game. If you don't hate TRP men then it's hypocrisy to be disgusted by this other sub. However, if you think TRP is also sociopathic and gross then ignore me and continue forth with the disparaging of humans of either gender who want to use others for their own whims and advantage. Hypocrisy doesn't look good on either gender though.

SunflowerBurst · 2019-10-28T17:18:28+00:00

Lol. They are deliberately trying to filter out men who think like you do here. Seems like it’s working.

They are just checking for a guy who’s got a protect/provide instinct so they’ll be taken care of when pregnant and with kids. This is a tale as old as time. Frankly reading some relationship drama on Reddit like the woman who’s bf was not protective and let her drive herself to the hospital in labor, it’s not a bad idea at all to react to the libfem agenda making this kind of discernment un PC. Every time I see a miserable woman posting about her layabout husband who has no protective instinct towards her, it usually started out with the woman having too much obsession with being “fair”

You guys are too materialistic if you can’t understand the difference between literally using a guy for shopping money, and women who want to be mommies and not be ditched by some deadbeat who thought skittles was too good for her.

Also Manosphere has been openly saying women are children and they hate them for years, I don’t believe all men are like that but if those women feel like most men are like that why would they not try to at least maximize the benefit they get?

ToraChan23 · 2019-10-28T15:14:24+00:00

Men have dating strategies to maximize their gains while limiting their losses with women.

It is only natural women would want the same.

The bullshit they talk about doing to men in that sub are only possible if you LET them do it to you. Just don't be the type of guy who buys into what they want to get from you. FDS has the freedom to exist and in my opinion, SHOULD exist. Let women do whatever they want to do. The world is different now.

illegallad · 2019-10-28T16:26:52+00:00

If you thought that braincels was funny but this is terrible you're a hypocrite. It's the same sub just reversed.

EDIT: I'll include TRP people in with this as well. This is the natural reaction and I don't understand why people are so upset.

yall_dont_read · 2019-10-28T18:49:18+00:00

Lol...this post is what drove me to check out the sub for my first time ever and...it's honestly not that bad?

As I said earlier, dating strategy is (mostly) amoral. Even so, I don't really see that thread as directly comparable to TRP (but surely, I'm biased).

I think people (men and women) tend to have stronger knee-jerk reactions to women seeing dating/relationships through any type of strategic lens, as opposed to the typical "durrr gotta find my sOuLmAtEs because feeeeeeelings!!!1!" hopeless romantic perspective. Women being detached from hopeless romanticism is almost always interpreted as calculating and shallow.

Some of the posts are wonky, and I'd definitely like to see more of a focus on concentrated self-improvement like you see often in TRP (hey, maybe i'll make a post about that!), but at least 50% of the commentary and advise there is pretty spot on.

Different strokes.

azngirl7689 · 2019-10-28T17:56:22+00:00

It's just TRP for women without the sycophantic pick me whore RPW BS. I don't know why ya'll are so pressed. And please tell me what is wrong with what they say. Men will use you if you allow it. Boundaries, self respect and a certain amount of selfishness is very needed.

If you don't want to pay for a date don't pay, it's not that complicated.

edit: I am very much a dutch bill splitter but it's not a good look if we're dutch bill splitting all the time. Helllllo fuck buddy status.

GlaceMarill · 2019-10-28T14:01:02+00:00

They aren't so bad to be honest.

ReparationsForWomen · 2019-10-28T16:16:01+00:00

It's a reaction to all the incel, mgtow, mra, and female objectificatiom subreddits that have dominated on this site for the last decade.

Stop being salty over a place that wouldn't exist in the first place if it wasn't for so many men being subpar. We are fed up with your shit. Be better.

-TheGreasyPole- · 2019-10-28T16:31:42+00:00

ITT a load of RP guys butthurt because the girls are being just as amoral as the guys.

I don't see anything over there as "disgusting" in the same way I never really saw anything on TRP as "disgusting".

I think their "sexual strategy sub" doesn't have a whole lot of useful sexual strategy on it, but presumably they may correct that when they work out what they're actually doing.

But, seriously ?

RP guys with their knickers in a wad because the girls are advising other girls to get him to pay for the dates ? Really ? Hasn't RP been advising men to get her to pay for the date for, like, forever ?

The problem with the FDS is the strategy isn't very good. There is nothing "disgusting" about any of it, anymore than there ever was with RP.

snacksneaker · 2019-10-28T19:43:40+00:00

I have been on this subb for less then 10 minutes and have read multiple "most popular" posts that basically write about how you should use women for sex, and how "caring about them being generous" is non-negotiable and ALSO (and get this) not greedy.

How in the fuck do those 🤡's think that making a woman sleep with them on the first date, and ditching them afterwards because they "dared to ask about a relationship" is an okay thing to do..?

You don't deserve shit from anyone. And that includes women. If a girl doesn't wanna fuck on the first date, it's a sign that she is being careful with her body, and doesn't want to risk increasing her N-count on dates where she never had a chance with the dude in the first place... It's not an investment, if it's a scam.

Now that women know men do this for sure, and it's backed up by tons of posts, do you think women will be more or less likely to sleep on the first date???

I mean seriously... They claim they just want a good woman, and then list a bunch of things they mean by that (good looking, well groomed, respects them as equals, is "generous", etc.)

Nah. Y'all just some sex hungry wh**es that want free dinners and lunches.

Just be normal ffs. I haven't gone to see posts from red pilled women, but it's probably the same, just the other way around. From what I've heard from them on this sub, I think they care more about self-improvement and (some of them, not all) about using men for your personal needs (often money).

lilacluna548 · 2019-10-28T14:04:17+00:00

Why isn't it okay? If they can get guys to buy them things, and that's who they wanna date, who cares? It's on the guy if they decide to do all that stuff for her. People are allowed to have whatever standards they want, even if those standards are superficial.

Freevoulous · 2019-10-28T15:05:16+00:00

realistically, only very attractive women who pay with pussy can get away with that, and that is just capitalism with extra steps.

LadyE123 · 2019-10-28T17:25:07+00:00

Ok, and men don't deserve anything from women either. Solved it 🙂.

ifelsedowhile · 2019-10-28T21:19:42+00:00

it's a collection of amoral dating strategies for the benefit of women. it's like a gender reversed version of TRP even though there's less focus on self-improvement.

mistresswhat · 2019-10-28T20:06:09+00:00

Watching a bunch of terps get BIG MAD over a sub that is basically a less-nasty genderflipped version of them is hysterical, honestly. Oh no, a woman ghosted because you split the check, MISANDRY AND ABUSE. You all want to dish it out but you can't take it.

Barely-moral · 2019-10-28T13:59:58+00:00

IMO... not really. They are just looking for a way to exploit their advantages for their own benefit...

The same thing anyone does and all people should.

If their strategies are sound and/or end up in a happy life... well time will tell. They will be responsible for the decisions they take and will deal with the consequences.

Just be normal ffs.

There are so many ways to answer to this sentence.

-How about no? -There is no normal. -Being normal is a privilege and you should check yours -Fuck being normal, I would rather get results.

Add an \s to all of those answers.

shonenhikada · 2019-10-28T14:23:13+00:00

Women find 80% of men physically unattractive. The only reason that some men in the 80% get GF/Wives is due to women's biological clock ticking and them wanting the resources that these men have acquired.

DAOcomment2 · 2019-10-28T15:56:58+00:00

No Circlejerking

This is a shit post. There is no debate issue here. "Disgusting, amirite?" is not a CMV topic. Just OP ranting about being triggered, no focused topic of debate, just seeking a soapbox to vent. Delete this pollution.

DubsPackage · 2019-10-28T17:42:54+00:00

Getting salty over femcels is not a useful personal strategy, you have to realize that the internet (indeed the world) is chock full of broken people. And since you're getting salty over it, then you're joining them as one more broken, bitter, miserable person.

There is no valid "collective bargaining" strategy for men or women, people like that are weak and will never get ahead in life.

Screening is part of dating, hell it's even part of meeting women.

Out of 1000 women, 200 will be in the appropriate age range, out of that 200, 150 won't be dateable for various reasons no matter HOW good you look or how eligible you are, in PUA terms only a small subset of women are DTF (down to fuck) similarly only a slightly larger subset of women are "down to relationship." That's BEFORE we even get to the part about dating YOU.

So right off the bat, 50 out of 1000 women are potentially dateable.

Out of those 50, easily half of them will be broken women. Feminists. Femcels. Players. Skanks. Club sluts. Psychopaths. Bipolar. Etc etc.

Screening them out, or at least putting them in the "low value" category is essential, because time, money and energy are a commodity and you don't want to waste yours on someone who doesn't have anything useful to add to your life.

jackandjill22 · 2019-10-28T18:24:09+00:00

Yes. It does. Fill a room full of angry women that disagree on things & then combine it with /r/incels & /r/MGTOW that're constantly brigading it & what do you thinks going to happen?

HazelMania · 2019-10-28T20:23:06+00:00

this got me thinking, would you want to pay for the dinner on a first date if you were told/knew that you do have a chance of a relationship with her?

Undead_Chronic · 2019-10-28T21:44:31+00:00

Its funny because as a Red Pill man I am what those bitches loathe. But they are on the money for about 70% of their beliefs.

Man_Frame_YouTube · 2019-10-28T22:42:02+00:00

Men should pay on the FIRST date. One coffee or one drink. And no more than one hour. If any man is not doing this, he should be.

Secondly, a man that understands women nature well enough, would know that femaledatingstrategy is nothing extraordinary. If you take into account that women act on emotions, on what they feel at any given moment, you'd expect to have a theredpill extravaganza of feelings.

Mrapocalisse · 2019-10-29T01:42:33+00:00

Yes,it's like a reversed redpill.

Another sociopathic cult-like sub that should be nuked from orbit.

I have a dream that one day people won't need to dehumanize the people they date/mate with or view them as threats.

One fucking day.

MILFBucket · 2019-10-29T02:24:09+00:00

So? Let them keep telling on themselves! Now whenever somebody questions red pillers' conjectures about 'female nature' you can show it all straight from the horse's mouth

sthlmtrdr · 2019-10-29T07:47:52+00:00

Agree, did see a lot of bs and man bashing in that group. Yes some girls go on dates to abuse men, ie. for the entertainment and to get free food and drinks.

One rule I have is to only do cheap dates until we are seeing each other regularly and sleeping together. Treating her with ice cream, coffee, tea, beer, wine or non expensive fast-food, etc is okay, but nothing expensive initially the first 1-2 times.

My advice to young men is to protect your money and never ever give away your money to someone who doesn't deserve it. If the woman are worthy and deserve it, then go ahead and spend on her.

"women got sex but they don't got resources, men got resources but don't got sex" - unknown

"women are in control of sex, men in control of commitment" - unknown

madcockatiel · 2019-10-29T11:24:09+00:00

Uh. I take it you have similar feelings about TRP/PUA/etc, yes? All these subs are about getting what you want from the opposite sex. Or is it only ok when men do it?

TheOGJammies · 2019-10-28T16:35:51+00:00

Die mad. Lol.

red-priestess · 2019-10-28T15:18:56+00:00

I know several woman that follow their philosophies irl and honestly it never goes well for them. They honestly talked constantly about being a "strong independent woman" type but then their pinned post is about how to change yourself so you can basically become a prostitute for fee meals. It's very backwards. It seems to me though that they are older women who have been treated poorly by men for whatever reason, so now they are trying to fantasize some way of getting back at them for the perceived wrongs. I know younger women are on there too, but I the last 10 I have run into are 30+... which says something about them I think.

Edit: this is the comment that got me preemptively banned from that sub, so im even happier that i wrote this.

Eastuss · 2019-10-28T13:53:07+00:00

I just go banned from there no sure why. :')

is an okay thing to do..?

There's no okay thing to do here, if it works then it's ok. As you said, men who respect themselves won't fall in this.

corey_trevorson · 2019-10-28T15:08:40+00:00

Yeah looking at that sub is like staring into the abyss. I was chatting with a girl at a party the other night who was bragging about taking a guy on a date already knowing that she wasn't interested. She even asked him if he wanted to split the bill and the poor sap still dutifully picked up the check. So even when the girl gives the guy an out, he still pays in hopes of impressing the girl.. Not much you can do about that kind of situation.

yall_dont_read · 2019-10-28T15:20:25+00:00

Gendered sexual strategy is amoral. It is what it is.

josjedandebil · 2019-10-28T20:18:34+00:00

Tbh I don't get what's all the fuss about. Aside from the top pinned post, I think the sub is just fine. There's only occasional dumbassery.

Truedemocracy5 · 2019-10-28T14:48:48+00:00

Only a matter of time. Online internet discussions have always been a male space. Made it easy for low smv men to congregate and share ideas (thus TRP was born, with the goal of turning those men high smv)

Now as reddit is more mainstream you see not only women but higher smv women do the same. That sub is full of low RMV women basically doing the same thing, trying to boost their value

Is interesting to see the shoe on the other foot. Also bet the outcry against it is much more muted because women of course can do no wrong. Might even one day get an npr or buzzfeed special about how these you go girls are standing up against the patriarchy

“Enjoy the decline” lads, because the decline is here

geyejoe7 · 2019-10-28T14:57:56+00:00

Men: Please check out Leykis 101 rules. Never spend more than $40 on a date. $0 is optimal. That money should only be spent on alcohol. Never meet for coffee dates, it’s a waste of time and you will not get laid. If you’re not getting laid by 3rd date, DTB and move on

mrbill1234 · 2019-10-28T19:08:22+00:00

I’ve just been banned. Never even posted anything. I feel validated 👍

LeJacquelope · 2019-10-28T14:25:32+00:00

I haven't gone to see posts from red pilled men, but it's probably the same, just the other way around. From what I've heard from them on this sub, I think they care more about self-improvement and (some of them, not all) about using women for your personal needs (often sex).

Red Pill teaches men how to spin plates, aka how to have multiple women at the same time. They're just as deplorable as FDS.

HarassMyAnger · 2019-10-28T14:50:34+00:00

Some people treat their partners like partners, and others treat them like consumable products who exist only to enrich their own lives.

Cunts gonna cunt.

MuleFool42 · 2019-10-28T22:38:16+00:00

As a MGTOW I got a notice in my inbox that I was auto banned from that sub. I didn't know it existed so I didn't care, but yeah, they pretty much hate men. In fact, there is a post from a woman on that sub that got a tattoo: "I hate men", so I'm not talking hyperbole here, they really do. Enough to get tattoos!

mrbill1234 · 2019-10-28T18:40:55+00:00

Best sub ever. Every man should read it. Totally validates MGTOW.

speakingintonguez · 2019-10-28T22:37:50+00:00

the men are SEETHING

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Chad1Stevens · 2019-10-28T22:00:17+00:00

If a woman has the minimum it takes to have a good man they will. If they don't have it they'll spend years whining about how there are no good men rather than wonder what they're doing wrong.

flyinghorse1 · 2019-10-29T00:01:39+00:00

Its cultural - I know first hand that in UK and Finland nearly all under 40s split bills or at the least take it in turns to pay.

I know Slavic cultures the man has to pay for most things and women may make a token purchase here or there.

I'm not sure with America though as I see very contradicting things.

_robot-love_ · 2019-10-29T18:39:26+00:00

Imma fully agree with the (riot) girls on this one.

And the OP has Assbergers.

TheDogJones · 2019-10-29T22:10:01+00:00

I'm totally fine with them existing. In fact, I love paying for my dates. But these people are an absolute joke.

Animalcrossing4eva · 2019-12-15T22:15:51+00:00

Women aren’t entitled to a man spending his money on her and a man isn’t entitled to spend time with her. It’s the traditional way of doing things and it worked. Things fell apart when women started giving it away for free. Men have been paying for sex for forever and you’re going to start whining about it now?

khaste · 2019-12-24T06:28:03+00:00

Im waiting for /r/femaledatingstrategytears or /r/pinkpilltears. O wait women are never wrong or say anything bad! Silly me!

NiceGuyNumber4 · 2019-10-28T16:29:54+00:00

It's the sub for alpha widows

bluehorserunning · 2019-10-28T17:51:47+00:00

Date a feminist. We all insist on splitting the check.

DocNMarty · 2019-10-28T17:01:14+00:00

Men have the PUA community. Women have this.

Not all men are PUA, not all women are gold diggers.

It's just disheartening when people parasitize other people.

Beaverdam11 · 2019-10-29T00:24:33+00:00

It's totally wrong.

friidum-boya · 2019-10-29T12:20:37+00:00

Most of the replies here don't get FDS. FDS is about weeding men who are not marriage material. They want high quality men.

When I say high quality men, they are men who have jobs, are financially stable, and is mentally, physically and emotionally healthy. Men who are ambitious and have marriage in mind. Good looks is a plus, just don't be unattractive.

The sub is for maximizing the benefits of a woman in the dating game who is looking for a man with marriage in mind.

If you get offended by paying for the date when you're the one who asked her out, then you are not the target man. If you're the type to cancel dates or have too many excuses, then you are not the target man. You can just walk away and not see each other.

FDR posts to me aren't shocking per se, since as a woman, that's what has been taught since I was a child.

The blatant misandry is for trp, mgtow, and incels. Besides, reddit by default is misogynistic.

Title	r/femaledatingstrategy is disgusting.
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Date	October 28, 2019 1:49 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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