Escorts are the best option for undesirable men

IgorXY · 2025-07-27T21:45:29+00:00

Every time I see this advice I ask, have you tried it yourself? Logically I understand your thought process. But doing it for real requires some special quality that I, for example, do not posses. So I will never recommend it. But have you tried it?

kvakerok_v2 · 2025-07-28T01:09:36+00:00

Before the incel sub was banned (yet again) I was especially curious about this part. It (the escort usage) worked for them in the worst way imaginable. They would visit an escort then post-nut clarity would hit them like a dinosaur extinction meteor. Most were depressed as fuck about realizing that nobody in their entire lives would ever love them (often not even their parents). But then there were other guys that were both ugly and dumb so they couldn't even save money for an escort. Yet others were so ugly even escorts turned them down.

It was like reading field reports from different circles of hell. Shit was so dark I had to take breaks from reading that sub.

Muscletov · 2025-07-28T06:51:30+00:00

This is a classic American manosphere cope. I'm German and here prostitution is probably as legal as it can get, but it doesn't really change much. The dating market, men's mental health etc. is pretty much the same here. American manosphere posters have this fantasy where, after prostitution is legalized, men go on some sort of mass strike and walk out on regular dating, but it simply doesn't work that way.

Prostitution is what lots of Blue Pillers still think online dating still is: a strange parallel universe of strange people with no real impact on daily life for the vast majority of people outside.

Realistic_Guava9117 · 2025-07-27T22:16:04+00:00

Theres “chads” paying for pussy brother. It has nothing to do with being autistic, adhd etc. There’s various reasons to just go pay for it. A lot of dudes just want casual sex and don’t want to jump through any extra hoops in having casual sex but we don’t all get that super easily. There is literally almost always extra hoops unless you luck up and get a quick hookup a few times. But that doesn’t usually last forever.

The real issue is getting a girlfriend that you actually like and want to keep around…and HOPEFULLY you don’t have to spend money on her as if she herself is a prostitute. Most of the time you are essentially paying regardless. That’s why the phrase is “I don’t pay them for sex. I pay them to leave”.

Keeping most of them around cost wayyyyy more than $100-$500 every now and then or a few times a month. But again, obviously the ideal is a woman thats your type, that fulfills your sexual needs and doesn’t burn a hole in your bank account but thats not so easy to come by.

Neglius · 2025-07-27T21:40:30+00:00

No thank you, but more power to those who would find this fulfilling enough.

AMC2Zero · 2025-07-27T22:48:55+00:00

Better than treating LLMs as wives, but it's still a (expensive) substitute for a real relationship and the explicit transactional nature and lack of monogamy will turn people off.

MisterFunnyShoes · 2025-07-27T22:04:03+00:00

It’s ego. Men would rather be enslaved to a fat, entitled single mother than pay a hooker and go back to their lives. This allows them to believe they are above “paying for it” and positive social identity.

Illustrious_Wish_383 · 2025-07-27T23:48:43+00:00

Dan Bilzerian has paid escorts in the past and many famous movie stars. Most people seeing escorts are married and in dead bedroom situations or looking for variety…aka the majority of guys getting escorts are already successful with girls!

My best friend was a Chad in his 20s, and he still got escorts the odd time! Chads sleep down to get high numbers whereas many escorts are way way better looking than the average girls they bang.

So definitely for an unattractive guy, it’s a better option than marrying a gold digger that’s not attracted to you and will take half.

Charming_Review_735 · 2025-07-27T21:58:32+00:00

I don't like the "pretend to care about you" line. It makes it sound like escorts are just money-hungry sociopaths instead of people who may derive a sense of satisfaction from helping people. Did my supervisor for my master's dissertation merely pretend to care about me when he spent a whole morning giving me feedback on my final draft? If not, then why would you assume that escorts are incapable of caring about the lonely men they're offering intimacy?

But that aside, I agree that for men who weren't genetically blessed, seeing escorts is a way better option than destroying their mental health in a sisyphean "self-improvement" and rejection cycle.

jimmycm123 · 2025-07-27T22:31:54+00:00

What most people really want is to be desired, that's why I believe virgins who go to hookers who think it will solve their confidence problems are often disappointed.

But? I totally agree with you that if you give up, escorts are better than nothing. After all, most guys are already in some sort of provider/transactional relationship as opposed to genuine desire anyways, so what's the difference?

Gold_Sheepherder6569 · 2025-07-27T21:52:53+00:00

Not all guys on this sub are inkwells/unselected men, also everyone has the genetics to be lean, it is just calories in vs calories out, the actual things that matter that you listed are face, height and neurotypicality. I personally don't think escorts are the best option I mean aside from the financial cost, some guys end up feeling worse about themselves because of it, like I am not categorically against escortmaxxing but it depends on a case by case basis

classicslayer · 2025-07-28T00:57:09+00:00

The biggest lie ever told was that only undesirable men pay for sex.

jasonology09 · 2025-07-28T09:02:20+00:00

In theory, this approach makes sense, but it doesn't work that way in reality. The men OP is talking about, who would choose to go this route, are the most vulnerable to exploitation and manipulation.

I've known a few sex workers as friends over the years, and it's not as cut and dry as OP is making it out to be. The sex workers I've known would eat these guys alive. Drain them of every cent they had, and leave them even worse off than before. They'll say everything these guys want to hear, make them feel like they're in love, that they're special, that there's a real connection. Next thing you know, these guys are mortgaging their homes, pawning their mom's jewelry, and taking out loans to keep giving these girls money.

growframe · 2025-07-27T23:32:19+00:00

So instead of feeling sorry for yourself because women don’t like you, the solution is to be more transactional

Anyone who has their problems solved through prostitution has already done it. Even in places where it's illegal, it's not that hard and that expensive to find one; someone who actively wants a prostitute probably already has.

The guys feeling sorry for themselves right now have a much different problem, and regardless of what you or I think of that problem, this won't be the solution to it.

rejected-again · 2025-07-28T02:07:08+00:00

It's actually not true that escorts don't care about how you look. I've had escorts that acted like a nun around me, saying she doesn't do this or that, and then I read up on her reviews and they talk about how she's a nympho into all sorts of freaky shit. They definitely have differing standards depending on how attractive the guy is. Even with hookers, Chad wins.

habbo311 · 2025-07-27T21:50:11+00:00

They need to legalize it in America today

miami2881 · 2025-07-27T22:04:38+00:00

That’s not something I would do because half the thrill of getting sex is knowing that you had to get a girl to want to do that with you. If you just paid a girl, I feel like it takes away all the sense of accomplishment. To me, it feels like using pay2win in a video game.

Environmental_Day558 · 2025-07-27T22:19:56+00:00

I believe that most men want a genuine connection, not someone who pretends to give a damn for a half hour to an hour for pay. You didn't just come up with some profound proposal, escorts have always been suggested in incel spaces and the majority rejects for that very reason.

Also I still managed to get married despite being ADHD (undiagnosed until 30s though) and highly introverted. Maybe even on the spectrum, idk never bothered to get tested and don't care to. I do think having social skills is the #1 factor for an increased likelihood of a positive outcome, but for those of us that this doesn't come naturally you it's something you have to actively work on.

69420epicgay · 2025-07-28T01:06:33+00:00

How the hell are you white pill? Everything you said is black pill. Saying there is nothing you can do if you are too short or autistic is literally black pill talk. White pill means everything will be okay

2025-07-28T00:37:23+00:00

just cause chads get sex doesnt mean we need too. find ways to be comfortable in celibacy, but to each there own

Ambitious_Campaign34 · 2025-07-28T04:20:43+00:00

But Escorts Provide a Simulation, Not a Solution Sure, escorts offer intimacy but it’s paid, the whole thing is artificial & scripted, and temporary. It doesn’t address the root problem: the man’s emotional and social isolation. You’re renting connection, not building it. I wonder if OP has tried this and is happy with it?

Artistic_Speech_1965 · 2025-07-28T07:50:37+00:00

A part of me is telling myself that it would diversify the options men have (especially with sexbot in the future). But an other part of me think it will be only some virtual fulfillment and the loneliness will strike higher. I need to find some data about the escort market

Jephta · 2025-07-28T16:06:22+00:00

This is just bad advice from a practical/financial standpoint. 1 hour per day of sex with an escort would cost over $100k US / year (at least here). If you're in the income range where you can throw away that much money on just sex (before, you know, all your actual expenses) then you're at the point where you have better options for sex (gold diggers, sugar relationships, passport bro, etc). It's like renting a car to commute to work every day - there are just more sensible options. Escorts are for, like, if you want to sleep with 10 women in one night or 5 women at once. The sort of stuff that's just not possible in normal dating. Which is why the whole "only losers go to escorts" thing is naive and kind of cute. Even attractive men who have no problems getting sex still have problems convincing the 3 different girls in their open relationship to sleep with each other at the same time.

JackLong93 · 2025-07-28T17:43:14+00:00

I couldn't imagine anything more boring than to sleep with an escort. She better be paying me

berichorbeburied · 2025-07-27T22:10:09+00:00

Relationships are about friendships and things outside of sex. Irl and on this sub and other interactions with women online. It’s clear that women are opposed to sex and sexual objectification intrinsically. And only accept or want or are willing to do it if there is more to it than just sex. Maybe there are women who just want to be fucked and you not know there name or care about them at all or don’t try to get to know them. Maybe they exist. In my experience that is rare.

Most women like to communicate. Most women want friendship qualities and attributes and bonds more than sex. Most women don’t even find men attractive objectively.

So what I’m saying is men have always been trading something for sex. You are just using money as a stand in. Other men use relationships. Or friendships. Or love or etc.

So other men aren’t doing anything better than men who use prostitutes.

Unless you think doing all relationship things just to have a friendship is the ultimate goal

SDW137 · 2025-07-27T22:49:35+00:00

For hooking up, yes. But for wanting an actual relationship? No.

RelevantJackWhite · 2025-07-28T00:26:32+00:00

Escorts are, economically, the best option for ALL men.

The average American male makes $28.16 an hour.

The average American male has sex about once a week.

Various sources place paid sex between $50-$100. I will be generous and push it to $200.

That puts the price of pussy at 7.1 hours of labor. Not even a full work day. And that is with doubling the average price of intercourse.

What does a man have to do to be worth fucking?

He has to be physically fit, which takes time.
He has to be economically attractive, which takes not only time at work but, sometimes, years of investment to be in the position to be economically attractive.
He has to put in effort to learn how to dress, which takes time and resources.
He has to develop interesting hobbies, which takes time and (sometimes) resources

And even if he does all that, there is no assurance of success. Moreover, his success is limited to the quality of women open to his advances and does not ensure he gets the quality or type of woman he wants, forcing him to settle.

Conversely, he can simply sacrifice 7.1 hours of his time and literally shop for the exact kind of woman he wants to have sex with. It saves him time, money, stress, and ensures he is getting his exact preference without playing the lottery and hoping to win.

Soft-Neat8117 · 2025-07-27T21:45:52+00:00

It's certainly the only option for me. I just haven't gotten up the nerve or money to do it yet.

I'm almost 30 years old and still aren't a real man. Something's got to give.

Zabadoodude · 2025-07-27T23:53:09+00:00

It depends on how undesirable he is and what he wants. If its just sex with hot women, then sure. But jf he wants genuine intimacy and conpanionship that won't help much.

Even a guy that is naturally unattractive can probably get fit, learn to talk to girls and find a frumpy woman that will genuinely desire him.

Smart_Feature · 2025-07-28T00:52:46+00:00

But what if you want to get married or have an actual relationship. An escort isn’t going to proceed

MysticalFlight · 2025-07-29T00:42:21+00:00

a shame its a option certain races of men can’t participate in…

Only_Excitement6594 · 2025-07-29T19:04:03+00:00

Paying for sex is trait of social trash.

-Kalos · 2025-07-28T01:43:26+00:00

If you're really down bad I guess. It would do nothing for me though because I like women who have genuine desire for me and not getting paid to pretend they do. Life has higher aspirations than just sex bro

fake_account_98211 · 2025-07-27T22:13:38+00:00

I had made out with a woman for the first time when I was 25, subsequently lost my virginity to her. I used to think of myself as hopeless and undesirable as I was introvert and out of shape and was always rejected by women. She also opened doors for me to be confident around women and date a few more.

It wasn't luck or efforts, it was just that I stopped going for looks and went for compatibility. People would consider it a defeatist mentality to date below your league but what matters in the end is how happy you are with someone.

It's never late for anyone.

PB-French-Toast-9641 · 2025-07-27T21:50:24+00:00

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-Kalos · 2025-07-28T01:40:30+00:00

Man don't lump us ADHD brothers in with the maidenless weirdos in this sub lmao

balhaegu · 2025-07-28T03:52:33+00:00

Since dawn of time, every man had access to sex in one form or another. Prostitutes are the worlds oldest trade.

Even the bible said "It is better to cast your seed in the belly of a whore than to spill it on the ground"

As much as society hates prostitution, its a part of human nature that probably will never disappear in the foreseeable future. And prostitutes arent used by just undesirable men. The ultra rich employ prostitutes as well. Instead, theyre not paid to stay. Theyre paid to leave. This way the rich can stay safe from risking their hard earned fortunes and reputations while gratifying themselves. Arab billionares, yacht bros, all have women lined up to have sex with them. But they can prefer a professional service with no strings attached.

The second way undersirable men can get sex is through war and conquest. As cannon fodder in battle, the lucky few that survive can find a war bride. This is already happening in war torn countries like Russia and Middle East and Africa. For many men it was a risk worth taking, because it is ingrained in instinct where a man without options in family and progeny was good as dead in soul.

The third is homosexuality. When there are too few women and too many men, or if few men dominate most of the women, the men can seek alternatives by turning to each other.

Reasonable_Mouse789 · 2025-07-27T21:51:08+00:00

Oh, honey… fat and ugly people tend to also be very poor. These traits are correlated. Most people in wealthy areas are gorgeous.

2025-07-28T02:08:17+00:00

Hard disagree. There's significant risk of STDs and from what I've read anecdotally, losing your virginity in this way makes for a rather unfulfilling experience.

There's also the fact that, in North America at least, prostitution is rife with human trafficking, coercion by pimps, etc. Even if it were legalized and regulated, I personally wouldn't find it worth it.

sammyb1122 · 2025-07-28T02:47:26+00:00

Escorts might be the best option for undesirable men who don't want to work on making themselves desirable.

Escorts are no substitution for an actual relationship, and will take you further away from one. Most women won't want to date a guy who has regularly used escorts.

2025-07-28T06:49:41+00:00

Why escorts are treated like some last resort? They're wonderful people.

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OliveBranch233 · 2025-07-27T21:48:37+00:00

Grim

poffincase · 2025-07-28T23:21:53+00:00

I absolutely agree. Pay sex workers for their services. The stigma should go away and men should stop expecting sex first and women should stop throwing themselves at men for nothing.

Senpai2Savage · 2025-07-29T03:47:04+00:00

Paying for it is beyond pathetic though and if I personally had a set price in mind for pussy I'd be absolutely insane.

capsaicinintheeyes · 2025-07-29T08:34:42+00:00

I don't think that's a holistic solution in most cases, tho' I wouldn't knock anybody for seeking it out or finding some solace in it.

Rockkk333 · 2025-07-29T12:50:47+00:00

Thing is, even for escorts looks matter. The thing is even if you pay, with many/most prostitutes you don't get an enthusiastic sexual partner (they don't even bother to act), you get an obvious person that doesn't want to fuck you but just does it for the money. That's no fun.

And i would guess that around 40% of prostitutes do a good job of at least pretending that she is also into it. And i am a guy that has lots of fuckbuddies, am fit and in early forties and well groomed. So i think this % goes down with incels (men that are so unattractive they have trouble ever getting a girlfriend) or overweight men

selecadm · 2025-07-29T19:35:01+00:00

Disagree on "undesirable". With my looks women like me first on dating apps but I still pay for sex. Escorts are wonderful people, if chosen wisely.

Turbulent-Company373 · 2025-07-30T12:20:39+00:00

SWs have existed for thousands of years. It looks like the need for SWs is increasing over time. It looks like some things have never changed. For some, going to a SW for their first time could be one of the hardest decisions for them to make.

ReasonConfident4541 · 2025-07-30T12:20:58+00:00

Hard agree

BandemicBuffering · 2025-07-30T17:19:06+00:00

It's cool but not economically feasible as a long-term solution for 90% of men.

Extra_Performer4001 · 2025-07-31T20:10:52+00:00

Comparing dating to paying an escort is what redpilled me. Same body count and i dont have to come pick them up every time they engage in clubbing senanigans

Content_Bed_1290 · 2025-07-27T23:04:43+00:00

It’s not a good option at all.

They’ll come home to the same loneliness but probably feel even worse, having spent a lot of money on a short-lived high and having helped drive an exploitative underground industry.

You’re not going to die if you don’t have sex. The best option is to embrace the monk pill while you work on yourself.

But no, I don’t expect this to be popular.

VersionEins · 2025-07-27T21:52:02+00:00

Calls himself "White Pill Man" and posts defeatist shit like this.

First_Sample_5121 · 2025-07-27T23:58:09+00:00

Doesn’t work if you want an actual loving relationship.

Aromatic-Following98 · 2025-07-28T15:55:23+00:00

Hookers are good for sex and fucking hot hookers is good for ego.

2025-07-27T22:33:16+00:00

Yes, thats how majority of men had sex for after we developed agricultural societies. This will become normal again in due time

Cannabanoid420 · 2025-07-28T09:04:07+00:00

Loooool, you're just asking to be berated here, my guy.

Yes, the general assertion that escorts for undesirable men is generally the best option, but the way you validate it is just oh so wrong.

Firstly, not ever guy here is an "undesirable" type. I myself do extremely well with women, but I also am fairly involved with the discourse of gender politics. Access to sex is not my main focus when it comes to this debate, if it is for you, I'd highly recommend re-evaluating what it is you're so upset about. Otherwise you're going to just push yourself further into the woman hating manosphere. My focus generally is about gender roles and the affect it has on society. The lack of work the world does with getting men out of their roles(protector/provider mentality) is why I have a passion for it.

This sub is a nice little lens eye into everyone's opinions that aren't fully radicalised, or atleast willing to have an intellectual debate about why society is the way it is.

Put aside sex and REALLY think about what you believe is the role for men and women in this day and age. I hope it may make you reconsider just being a neckbeard incel who hates women for just not having sex with you.

Putrid-Storage-9827 · 2025-07-28T01:28:24+00:00

Ultimately though this will be empty and a waste of time.

Even if it makes you a bit happier, it's for the weak (sorry for the judgement). Life should be entirely purposeful, and filled with sincere emotions and motivations, for better or worse.

Better for a man to be filled with sorrow loneliness and spitefulness, or even anger and hatred than tepid, lazy contentment.

Especially a man who's failing at life entirely should not take this path - and instead (ideally) use his negative emotions to do something in, to, or with the world. Or build his own. In fact, the less happy he is, the more vital it is he avoid doing what OP suggests.

Why not embrace both struggle and negative emotions? Embrace them - consciously stew in them. Even, especially if world and society to blame, it's all the same - the world then deserves to feel your pain and bile. Go forth, and make normies uncomfortable (absolutely within legal limits though of course officer).

Jaden-Clout · 2025-07-27T22:31:58+00:00

I don’t know why more incels and losers don’t take this route!

Morgoth_Worshipper · 2025-07-27T21:46:19+00:00

The value of such a man basically decreases to zero.

Pale_Will_5239 · 2025-07-27T22:48:04+00:00

They're the best option for desirable men. You pay them to leave quietly.

WhatTheyWanttoHear · 2025-07-28T07:55:16+00:00

So, that's why Trump met up with escorts like Stormy Daniels.

Thanks for clearing that up.

And don't forget Charlie Sheen

Substantial_Video560 · 2025-07-28T08:35:35+00:00

100% agree and don't think men should be ashamed for choosing that lifestyle.

I lost my virginity to an escort aged 29 and have seen escorts ever since. Got to furfill all my sexual fantasies and had some awesome experience.

I don't regret a moment of it. 100% recommend! 😎

Mountain_Sand3135 · 2025-07-28T13:51:00+00:00

i think escorts are the best bet for any man on his purpose and grinding ...everything else is a considerable time suck .

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