People who assume romantically unsuccessful men just need to "talk to women" more are naive

ibookmarkeverything · 2024-08-24T13:18:27+00:00

The problem is society's fairy tale "blank slate" mentality. It's a comforting idea, but ultimately, equality doesn't exist in nature, so the idea that we all have the same options, opportunities, and potential outcomes that play out based on the choices we make is fundamentally flawed, and many aren't ready to have that conversation coz it leads to acknowledging a lot of dark uncomfortable truths. So instead, we agree to promote comforting lies as truths and condemn observable truths as lies, then we sweep all inconsistencies under the rug.

The idea is to be nice, but it's actually extremely evil.

izzzy12k · 2024-08-24T17:04:53+00:00

I think many women have very high (or near impossible) expectations of men they date..

So men who (I'll use myself as an example) end up single again as they can't get a relationship to become long term.. I feel it's because of the expectations that are just impossible to meet.

For me the common denominator has been that I'm a single Dad who has kids (now adults) who live with me.. Also, that I'm very much an active Father in the lives of the kids who do not live with me. (I ended up with split custody, 2 with me and 2 with their Mom)

Oftentimes I would get unmatched or insta-blocked when I mentioned that 2 kids lived with me.. and more recently relationships end or get ugly cause I take advantage of any times I can see my other 2 kids.

One woman even said it straight out, I'm ending our relationship cause you focus too much on your kids.

It's not like I don't make time or put effort into my then GFs.. but they want me to stop being a father and only a BF.. Which is asking too much in my opinion.

I have no problem talking to women, but...

Finding one who thinks I'm attractive enough to date Who is ok that I'm a single parent.. Who is ok with me having kids who live with me full-time.. Who is ok that I'm as active as possible with the 2 that do not..

Just seem to not exist, or I can't find one.. or am I simply asking for too much?

Glass-Violinist-8352 · 2024-08-24T13:42:25+00:00

Yep most of times women don't want to hear a man complain about his struggles because they don't care and also see him as weak

No-Rough-7390 · 2024-08-24T13:30:00+00:00

I know the saying is “women know if they will fuck a guy within five seconds of meeting him” but I think it’s more akin to “a woman knows whether a guy is going to have to put in much effort to fuck her within five seconds”.

weenieandthebutt · 2024-08-24T14:00:15+00:00

Talking to women just gives off "friend vibes", nothing more. Flirting and creating sexual tension is a whole entirely different art which blue pillers can neither explain or flippantly retort, "it's a you problem, it's not my job to teach".

At least redpill and PUA have some sort of substance in that regard.

nonedat · 2024-08-26T14:10:50+00:00

Not only are they naive, they're lazy. They never talk about where to find women, how to talk to them, and how to do so in a way conducive to progress.

WillyDonDilly69 · 2024-08-24T16:32:19+00:00

Reality is you have to talk to women but you also have to ask them out or nothing will happen. They won't ask you because they are pathetic and afraid of rejection.

Weekly-Vacation-6929 · 2024-08-25T01:56:27+00:00

most of us have tried all the recommended forms of self-improvement, nobody starts ranting online after 1 rejection.

Snoo-13607 · 2024-08-25T09:34:54+00:00

Another thing that messes guys up is this idea that you should just keep trying. Most men don’t move on quick enough. They’ll literally be infatuated with the same girl for years. So I actually agree that unsuccessful men need to talk to women more, but they have to talk to other women and not text the same one for 6 weeks and counting.

electric_icy1234 · 2024-08-24T19:09:11+00:00

Of course if you expect to automatically have a girlfriend just because you had a delightful personality, you’re going to be disillusioned.

Even w/ friendships, not everyone just becomes your bff bc you’re nice. Human relationships in general are complex bc humans just like you, are complex. So many factors play a role: - first impression - background, history, trauma - life transition/ context ( are you still a student? Are you trying to adapt to a new job?) - preference/ bias -compatibility/ personality -proximity/ distance -familiarity

There are factors you can and cannot control. But talking is one of the ones you can control and work on. So even if it doesn’t guarantee developing a relationship, it helps you gain experience, learn from your mistakes, develop social skills/ dating techniques, know what you prefer or want to avoid, etc.

You also shouldn’t be developing a good personality just to get girls. You should be trying to be the better version of yourself for YOU and find what brings meaning to your own life with/without someone else.

LapazGracie · 2024-08-24T13:00:27+00:00

Alright so the interesting here is the advice really is "Lower your standards". They may not be outwardly saying it. But that's what they really mean when they say you need to socialize.

But why?

Well the thing is. How the hell do you lower your standards? You don't choose who turns you on. You can't just look at some dirty homeless man and make yourself attracted to him. It doesn't work that way.

So why socialize? The thing is humans put a tremendous amount of emphasis on procreation. On having children. It is very important for us to pair up and raise children together. Without that our species would have died.

Here's the key point. PROCREATING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN PROCREATING WITH THE BEST LOOKING PARTNER. What that means is that as you socialize. You learn your place in the pecking order. Your brain subconsciously starts adjusting your expectations. Things that never turned you on before. Suddenly do. This is why ugly people date other ugly people. Their brain has went through a adjustment phase where they catered their sexual expectations down to what they can achieve.

What happens with a lot of solitary men is that they never go through this process. So they end up wanting to date top of the line women. Who want top of the line men.

krackedy · 2024-08-24T12:54:14+00:00

I think the romantically unsuccessful men who are social with a large group of friends that includes close women friends are a minority compared to the socially awkward ones who struggle more with friendships in general and don't have any good female friends.

I say this because the loudest complainers often admit to not being social, not having a lot of friends, seeing no "use" for female friends, etc.

So yeah the advice of socializing more won't help the guys in the first category but it will help the second category practice much needed social skills and meet new people.

idoze · 2024-08-24T12:58:26+00:00

I think it's hard to debate that point. Communication is obviously the key, unless you want to build a relationship through mime. But 'just' talking to women is clearly not sufficient.

On the other hand, I don't think advice from any serious person would stop at 'talk'. It's more about talking to the right women, about the right things, caring about them and the things that interest you, plus the basics (good hygiene etc.).

Still, talking to women generally can only benefit you in the long run, even if just by helping you determine what you like, good conversation topics, strategies, confidence etc. I think a lot of people who say this actually mean 'be more confident and self-assured'.

Behind your post, there's an implicit suggestion that the situation is hopeless no matter what you do. That's what I'd take exception to.

Electric_Death_1349 · 2024-08-24T13:19:19+00:00

Most men are romantically successful to a degree, hence where the stereotype comes from; but if you were a happy-go-lucky kid with a circle of female friends and still didn’t get anywhere…well, only you have the answer to why that was the case

Slipthe · 2024-08-24T13:20:22+00:00

It is pretty naïve to think women only care about a delightful personality, since it was always clear that a woman's personality has little to do with men's choice.

Women have an abundance of choice by virtue of not being as horny and desperate, which is why they have the luxury to choose men based on looks and personality. Men are too horny and end up forgoing the latter.

Least_Operation6067 · 2024-08-24T15:38:39+00:00

This stuff is complex. There are times I don't really want to deal with new relationships with women. When I want them they tend to be there

place_of_desolation · 2024-08-24T17:37:39+00:00

I have good hygiene, slightly above average looks (6, maybe 6.5?), I work out, I look young for my age (mid 40s), but I struggle and always have. I'm on the spectrum and was raised to believe women would be drawn to a nice, sweet guy, and it took me too long to realize that that isn't what attracts a woman in a primal way. Women see me as a friend, not as a sexual/romantic prospect.

2024-08-25T00:46:53+00:00

My experience with men who don’t date and aren’t terrible people is that most of them are socially anxious. I have known lots of guys like this over the course of my life.

Muscletov · 2024-08-26T15:44:47+00:00

Society's thought process in a nutshell:

Women are GOOD people and thus reward GOOD men. Also, since they're GOOD people, women do not judge other people on their appearance. Also, GOOD things happen to GOOD people. And men have ALL the power in the world, thus they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and succeed via sheer force of will. If they don't succeed, they must be BAD or LAZY people!

That's how mainstream society links men's romantic success to their virtue and work ethic.

toasterchild · 2024-08-24T13:03:50+00:00

How is it that people suddenly seem to think that growing up and learning life's more painful realities is like some conspiracy theory? Yes most kids are not aware of the negatives in those around them. The teen years have historically been the period where people wake up to realities of life, that's why it was usually considered a mentally difficult time, that's not red pill that's normal.

Someone in the internet made an assumption about people who are in a similar place to you and it didn't match up with your reality, that's not shocking either. Assuming all men who struggle in dating are socially adept would also be dumb.

Expectations are resentments in training. You expected what you wanted to fall in your lap, that didn't happen and now you are bitter. Now you get to pick a direction and choose your next path.

Clementinequeen95 · 2024-08-24T13:37:52+00:00

What happened to all of your friends op?

holyskillet · 2024-08-24T18:50:10+00:00

Question: what's so delightful about his personality? This is not me being mean, this is dry statistics: most of us are tolerable at best. Most average-looking guys are tolerable at best. What is it that the protagonist of your fanfic does on the daily basis that other people don't do? How exactly did he earn the right to be bitter?

OffTheRedSand · 2024-08-24T12:53:00+00:00

i mean sure you have a point but talking to women is still sound advice.. how else are you supposed to ask a woman out of you don't know anything about women?

i do think the advice is more so that it will help you later on when you meet a potential partner more than a way to meet a potential partner.

also it's low key on you for not escalating the friendship to a date at least, the advice got you women friends and then it's on you to feel out who you got chemistry with and then ask out, your post does not say if you did or did not try to at least elevate the friendship into something else, you kinda just expected it to develop into a relationship on it's own... not how it work.

2024-08-24T15:12:12+00:00

A lot of romantically unsuccessful men so need to talk to more women tho, that's maybe one of the least bad advice

purplish_possum · 2024-08-24T16:19:50+00:00

I hardly ever talked to women when I was young (i.e. before I turned 30). We just met a club or party and fucked.

Electrical-Call-7292 · 2024-08-24T16:41:03+00:00

With a “delightful personality” you’re probably coming off a bit too neutral and giving the vibe of just wanting to be friends. You don’t need to completely change yourself but do try to show sexual interest early whether it’s flirting, asking a girl out to eat, etc. Only you can figure out that sweet spot.

LockDownHalfGuard · 2024-08-24T18:47:42+00:00

There are winners and losers in the dating market. The harsh truth some people will have a harder time than others in romance and finding love, is obscured. Men unfortunately suffer from a lot of gaslighting.

BigMadLad · 2024-08-24T19:05:42+00:00

I think you’re reading a lot into that man. As some others have said, it may be advice that’s not meant for you as some don’t even try. It’s also general advice in that the more women you talk to the higher the chance one will find you attractive versus, establishing a friend group, and then not talking to more women after that. It can also mean talking to different types of women, as from what I’ve seen people in general fit into a type, and some markets you will not do well in versus others you could do well in, but you may not be talking to that type of person.

You are right in that those who use that as a blanket statement are ignorant, but they are the same level of ignorance as anyone who uses singular advice for very complex topic.

ArtifactFan65 · 2024-08-25T02:46:36+00:00

Yes the only thing most romantically unsuccessful men need to do is become more attractive and take the red pill.

Leather_Law7246 · 2024-08-25T07:09:57+00:00

Solution, pick the path of growth and quit thriving around in a pool of sadness.

Use that emotion and do something to better ones life. Yes certain characteristics cannot be changed, but the important ones can be.

Start consuming knowledge, learn about "nice guy" syndrome and see if it takes you down a rabbit hole of growth. Perhaps read and take action to improve social skills, or my best one yet - take up a daily embodiment practice and get out of your head and into your body.

Quit your bad habits and cultivate yourself into the person that you desire in a partner.

Life is a long painful journey, and sadly you'll be alone through most of it. No one can truly complete you, they can simply offer bandages to the void that exists within - that void can be filled by self, and you'll be a better more desirable man for it.

Success/wealth/good looks don't mean shit if you do not have the confidence and capacity to believe and operate in your own skin.

The world isn't going to change for you, and changing to fit into the world isn't a great idea ever. Find your ultimate ideal and aim for that - not to find more women, but to find yourself while you still have time.

HorseDongJon · 2024-08-25T07:30:53+00:00

All you have to be is funny As a dude that’s all you can really do

vinceoffershlomi · 2024-08-26T22:26:34+00:00

It's always looks

Redpill-mind · 2024-08-24T13:00:38+00:00

By "delightful" personality, you mean being a nice guy and founding out women aren't attracted to that ?

Yea no wonder

wtknight · 2024-08-24T13:30:35+00:00

Less attractive women eventually have to choose less attractive men because of monogamy. It's up to less attractive men to have a pleasant enough personality so that a less attractive woman would rather choose him than just be by herself.

Talking to these women is how men show that they have this pleasant enough personality. Obviously, if a man talks to a woman out of his attractiveness league, he is likely going to be rejected no matter how pleasant he is to her, but not every woman is equally attractive.

thedarkracer · 2024-08-24T13:19:57+00:00

Yeah, also women aren't attracted to all men which is why dating is harder for them lol. So how can we be successful if we don't fit the criteria of a lot of women.

W00DR0W__ · 2024-08-24T18:54:44+00:00

Believing you have a delightful personality is not the same as having one. That’s the “work on yourself” part where you need to learn to be more mindful of how you are being perceived by others.

Fickle_Friendship296 · 2024-08-24T13:36:03+00:00

Sounds more like those guys need to stop letting their expectations get ahead of themselves.

Why does it feel like guys dislike being friends with women? Its like if we can’t fuck em’ we don’t need em’

I feel like this is one of a plethora of reasons as to why men don’t see women as full people.

Dating is more than just having a “delightful personality.” I know plenty of women with delightful personalities, but I’m not interested in dating them, and I’m a guy with no options whatsoever, and currently I’m single af.

But I’m also not sitting on my ass upset about it. Life has way too much going on to worry about it.

I also feel that this another reason why we have so many bitter bros: these guys aren’t busy enough. It’s just porn, video games, gym, doomscrolling.

I’ve seen men across the web cry about how lonely they are and the only remedy for it is attention from women. It’s nuts.

Nevermind about saving up money for that solo vacation to that place you always wanted to see.

Nevermind trying to make friends with people in your community by joining groups or volunteering.

Nevermind leaning a new language or new skill or something of any value that’ll grow your circle of knowledge and people to interact with.

I swear, young guys are transforming into the bitter cat lady trope without the cats! 🐈‍⬛

krafterinho · 2024-08-24T14:53:20+00:00

I mean, attempting to turn a friendship into a relationship is something you learn with practice, while taking into account who you're talking to and the dynamic you have. "Talk to women" is always good advice, because dating is a numbers game, so if you play long enough, eventually you should find someone who will like you for who you are. Physical attraction isn't really negotiable but you'd be surprised how much confidence boosts attractiveness

Fair-Bus-4017 · 2024-08-24T23:57:35+00:00

Dude we are on reddit. The fast majority of its users are socially awkward nerds. This is literally the first step most people on this platform need to make.

Ansuveren777 · 2024-08-25T03:44:52+00:00

Not necessarily, but not in the way they think. Those people have already filtered socially and romantically unsuccessful men with more serious issues from their social circle, so as far as they're concerned it really is as simple as just ''talking to more women''.

Myagooshki2 · 2024-08-25T14:57:07+00:00

Post redpill gets you more results than redpill. Stuff like the YouTube channel actualized.org is good for self development moreso than the redpill. Also psychedelics, especially ones that make you more social

ParisTexas7 · 2024-08-27T17:46:05+00:00

ITT: OP was a kid and now is allegedly a grownup. He used to have baby thoughts about the world and now has attained some level of life experience yet still has baby thoughts which empower him to make remarkably shortsighted conclusions about life.

Yep, sounds about right.

alth777 · 2024-08-28T05:51:55+00:00

Congratulations 🎉 you learned that everything you were told about dating and women was wrong. I say wrong because I very much doubt your mother and aunts deliberately lied to you. Meanwhile you probably had a weak father (like most fathers in the West) who didn’t have the balls to upset your mom and tell you how things work with women, thus leaving you on your own to figure it out.

So I’ll do your dad’s job and drop some of that secret knowledge on you.

So first things first, do yourself a favor and skip the “all women are scheming manipulators” phase of your journey. They aren’t, you along with many men these days just don’t understand them. Also forgot everything your mom and our feminized society told you about women too. Women least of all know what women really want. It’s rather paradoxical if you ask me. “A delightful personality” is just a bonus.

What’s the number one thing a woman wants in general? It’s simple and rooted in evolutionary biology: SECURITY. That’s why men with money, resources, confidence, and height are more attractive. Historically we are more likely to provide a stable home and protect them and the children than an incel could.

I’m sure someone will jump on and mentioned that women can work now too blah blah blah. Correct, but the whole movement towards women wanting to work was rooted in the need to feel secure. Too many weak men would abandon their families and leave their women destitute. That was a major driver of women entering the workforce in the 60s and 70s. “You need a career because what if he leaves you for his secretary.” See security? I’d even argue the desire for in group status (and the related superficiality) is a function of seeking security.

To be Desired. Women want to be wanted and not just physically. They want their contributions to be impactful, recognized, and desired. They want to be valued and trusted. Women do so many little things for the people in their lives, they just want it to matter and to be valued and trusted.
To have fun. Women want to be happy and want to experience things and have fun generally. That’s why they find men with a sense of humor that can be laid back generally attractive.

The ranking here matters… subconsciously nothing matters more to women than feeling secure and the wanted. A fun guy who doesn’t offer security is just a fun friend.

TLDR: Get a skill that can provide for a family, learn how to be handy, find a way to offer security to them. Hell just being able to put up some dry wall seems to be a turn on these days lol.

solstice-sky · 2024-08-24T13:15:12+00:00

young guy who was raised believing having a delightful personality

Being a pushover with no spine is not a delightful personality. Lacking assertiveness, confidence, and self-esteem is not a delightful personality. Nice-guying everyone to death is not a delightful personality.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-08-24T14:00:41+00:00

But: are you taking to a lot of women?

Like nowhere in the body of your post did you say that you ever actually were taking to and approaching women.

NoDanaOnlyZuuI · 2024-08-24T14:29:10+00:00

45% of men have never approached a women

In your reality, did you ever tell those women you had feelings for them or assume they would tell You

pg_throwaway · 2024-08-24T15:05:19+00:00

They need to talk to people more in general. Most romantically unsuccessful men have two primary problems:

appearance: fat, poor hygiene, bad style
social skills: cringy, weird, boring, clueless

Problem #2 is generally solved by having many more social interactions with both men and women to get comfortable with talking and to develop an interesting / attractive personality that people like / want to be around.

I used to be a happy-go-lucky kid who at one point in life had more female friends than male ones

In this case, you were missing a specific component: charisma / game. So you were like 80% there but missing the last 20% to close the deal. I think most guys aren't even 80% there, so for them just the basics of social skills is something they need to pick up first.

attendquoi · 2024-08-24T18:06:01+00:00

Not naive, just uninformed. Why are you demanding advice from people who don't even know you? If a random on the internet tells me he doesn't do well with women, my mind immediately goes to the men I have known who don't do well with women...and frankly, their inability to just talk to women like normal human beings was an issue.

Ultramega39 · 2024-08-24T13:00:37+00:00

Let’s not lie… any man who struggles to get women is either ugly or autistic.

Every other average guy would benefit from just taking to women if they want a date.

RandomRedditRebel · 2024-08-24T13:46:36+00:00

Hey I know this kid, he was me! I followed my mom and sister's advice and became all the girls best friends back in high school. Confused on why none of these girls wanted to kiss me was confusing. I was lost about what was wrong.

I went to the bookstore to find something on how to get girls. After a few I came across Neil Strauss's The Game. A book about a derpy journalist who got swept up in the life up pickup artistry. I had never read a book so fast, let alone multiple times.

Opening conversation is the most difficult part. So this book had all these different openers to make the hard part easier. I used every one at the mall to see what worked. After 50 or whatever opens girls were no longer these scary creatures I couldn't talk to. I still felt awkward, but I was doing it! Side by side with all the other beginners in the book!

This is a true story.

You need to talk with women. Period.

BluePillUprising · 2024-08-24T14:25:56+00:00

I think the problem is that romantically unsuccessful men don’t have friends that are women. Hence, women are mysterious and foreign to them and they can’t act natural around them.

When I was single (over a decade ago), I had a large group of friends of various genders and sexualities. We also drank like crazy. So we hooked up sometimes. It was very natural.

That doesn’t mean that there were no broken hearts or hurt feelings but there was also a lot of platonic relationships between men and women and straight and gay and it gave us lots more real world perspective on our experiences.

I think a lot of the lonely dudes on this sub don’t have that.

JadeGrapes · 2024-08-24T17:23:13+00:00

I don't think people are assuming this. I think YOU assume other people assume this.

Generally, the awkward dudes I know are more or less pulled together, groomed, good jobs, etc. They have a good 3-6 months in the maybe zone, then they fuck it up with something careless or gross.

As a teen, one guy took himself out of the running because we had been sharing a snack and he handed me the empty ice cream container like there was still a bite left.

He didn't offer me the last bite, that would have been meh... but when he handed it to me like he was giving me the last bite - then it was EMPTY?

My imagination ran through thousands of other scenarios, that "our" future might hold...

I could "see" opening the fridge to find 1 tbsp of milk left in the gallon. The empty cereal boxes put back on the shelf. Me making last minute runs to the store for laundry soap, TP, toothpaste...

It could be years of me double checking he paid the utility bills. Getting my car back with no gas. Last minute dinner guests with no warning. Him trying to stick it to me without a condom "just this once"... Cleaning the "last" baby bottle again and again. Having to fix his resume when it's not working to get a gig...

That empty ice cream container represented all the times I could easily imagine him letting me down. And he lost his chance. Every girl has a few dozen stories like that IF YOU LISTEN.

Guys that don't "get women" are offended that my opinion of him changed based on something so trivial.

Guys that "get women" cringe like fuuuuuck when they imagine handing over them empty snackies.

Suspicious_Glove7365 · 2024-08-24T13:33:14+00:00

Yeah, I thought I would be a doctor when I was a kid, but found out the unpleasant truth of how expensive and difficult medical school was, and had to pivot. Growing up is to be faced with the reality of the world. Why do men here act like they’ve been slighted by a mega conspiracy? It happens to everyone.

I’ll also add that most men who receive this advice as men who don’t have any women in their social circle, or who have a very limited or non existent social circle. It’s undoubtedly true that expanding your social circle to include more women will increase your chances of getting a woman.

obviousredflag · 2024-08-24T13:38:44+00:00

A delightful personality will make a girl fall for him, IF HE FUCKING TALKS TO WOMEN (who are on his level, regarding mate value).

TermAggravating8043 · 2024-08-24T14:09:52+00:00

I would argue it’s these “naive” men that don’t realise (or want to take personal responsibility) that their own personalities are about as far away from ‘delightful’ as the moon and so of course the advice would never work for them

Critical_Corner_1859 · 2024-08-24T14:34:50+00:00

This is a cope. Average men do have girlfriends and wives. Women will cry over the crustiest men if those men have certain personality traits. This is straight up black pill bullsh.

Get jacked

Learn how to talk to women

Get a haircut

Clear up your face

Get some money

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Realistic-Ad-1023 · 2024-08-24T17:13:08+00:00

Oh look another child who never grew up past what mommy and daddy told them.

Yeah, she has to find you attractive. Just like you have to find her attractive. 9/10 times, you over value yourself and under value others. That’s the real issue.

In rare men I have found the opposite - putting women on a pedestal and undervaluing themselves so much they’re insufferable - but here? No. RP men have overinflated sense of ego and think they deserve your local would be insta baddie and throw a fit when that’s not his lane. Like gets with like in most ways.

Women aren’t hypergamous, men are.

SaBahRub · 2024-08-24T14:42:24+00:00

Both can be true

The data indicates that men have fewer friends than women and also don’t ask them out

MyUpSeemsDown · 2024-08-24T15:08:15+00:00

There are lot to be said in nuance that may change the outcome for someone who has delightful personality. Whether they didn't have the initiative, the girl didn't find them attractive, the general claim of "personality doesn't get you anywhere" doesn't paint the full picture. Therefore to pass it as if personality isn't an important factor, is probably something majority of people would agree to be a misnomer. It's a very intimate way of how most people gauge anything in concept of socializing or just even a self reflection. A GOOD personality, doesn't necessarily have to be in reference to the prince charming that is all idealized to the point of cliche and in fact is a probably an opposition, as such cliche of personality is something that is understandably viewed as a bluff, inauthentic, or even just boring.

A good personality I'd argue is an authentic self portrayal and willful aim for it to be towards something good, whether if it's something funny, nice, moral, generous whatever. But it can't be just mimicking the cliche of some bs movie nice guy, it has to have authentic for it to be attractive. And also even then it won't just drop every panties in your 5 miles vicinity. Some people like your personality, some people don't.

DopeAFjknotreally · 2024-08-25T23:15:39+00:00

The problem here is that those men don’t actually have the deightful personality they think they have.

Title	People who assume romantically unsuccessful men just need to "talk to women" more are naive
Author	Babyface_Bogart
Upvotes	281
Comments	374
Date	August 24, 2024 12:47 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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