Objectively, does red pill have real life relevance? Does it "work"?

vanillapopsicle · 2021-12-01T22:44:09+00:00

Most men grow up with some idealized view of women. RP, as clumsy as it is, is the only thing that allows them to not become chumps and suckers. It’s the only thing that tells them to be somewhat on their guard. Most men automatically become RP by default after some particularly traumatic divorce / cheating, because the scales fall from their eyes, which in itself tells you something.

ToughAnswers · 2021-12-01T19:52:34+00:00

For me coming across the TRP sub was more like "oh, interesting, other people have noticed this too".

RPslimjim · 2021-12-02T04:34:43+00:00

TRP saved my life. I had a plan of action for self deletion. The night before I planned to do it I found Alpha Male Strategies on YouTube.

Since then I’ve improved so much. Got back in shape, moved up in my career, started living the free agent life style (coach Greg Adams), and just being me.

So for me when I see a guy struggling I’m always gunna introduce him to TRP

LowCreddit · 2021-12-01T22:45:56+00:00

TRP condensed what took me a decade to learn on my own. I obviously don't agree 100% with TRP, but if you follow the basics and can think independently, then it will work absolutely.

I think that the biggest problem with it, especially from the PUA community is massive numbers of cold approach preached early on. TRP doesn't does this, but it doesn't recommend against it either. This goes especially for growing segment of men who look like slobs and only talk to people online. They are so far behind that they need remedial steps to even get them into Average Fucking Chump territory. I think this is a big reason that a lot of young men are pushed away from TRP to black pill communities.

MrZubar · 2021-12-02T00:52:04+00:00

To me the redpill itself is just uncomfortable truth and that what we've been told since childhood were just nice lies.

What you choose to do with that information is up to you. I have been largely mgtow and trad. I've never really bought into the "game" and strategies side of the manosphere.

razormachine · 2021-12-02T02:10:47+00:00

Is all this true? Or - as usual - the picture is "slightly" more complex?

I was under the impression that RP primarily deals with dating and relationship strategies. If redpillers were mysogenistic why the hell would they spend time and effort on dating women which they hate?

Are redpillers misgonistic because they do not consider women to be angels?

If redpillers are wrong why are women worried about redpillers using them?

If you are a red pill subscriber, did your life change for the better or for the worse?

My life changed for the better, no doubt about it, and not just my dating life.

Do you get the results you want or you wish you've never known about this?

I didn't get the result I wanted, I came to realization that what I wanted was completely unrealistic. It was a bitter pill to swallow but all in all I'm better off because I ended up avoiding a bunch of bitter things.

What difference RP awareness made in your life?

I learned to "read" people. So now I do not spend my time and energy on wrong kind of people which want to use me. I either hard ghost them or burn them (figuratively ofc). If I'm interested in a woman I don't wait too long to try and escalate the attraction. Also it is much easier to filter people which actually add value to my life and which are worth the effort.

What I'm trying to figure out is, if it "works" for you, why do you think it does, and if it doesn't, why do you think it doesn't?

If I had to describe it in just one sentence it would be "Form opinion based on people actions, not on their words".For instance "I want to date a nice guy" might sound familiar, well check out her ex boyfriends, do they seem like nice people?

VastlyVainVanity · 2021-12-01T20:10:58+00:00

Certain RP concepts have certainly helped me out. To name a few:

Abundance mindset: When I was a teenager/young adult I suffered from severe oneitis and would become romantically interested in some specific women for years. Realizing that, even with my pretty high standards, there are probably tens of thousands of women I could date around the world, has certainly helped me stop being like that.
AF/BB: Made me realize that I'd much rather stay alone for years and years than be with a woman who doesn't feel as sexually attracted to me as she has felt to other guys in the past. I'd rather die single than be a BB.
Caring about the sexual past of a woman: Something that men are very commonly shamed for, but that is very important to me. So it was reassuring to see that it is actually fairly common for other men to care about it.

There are some concepts that I don't really use in my personal life, like:

Spinning plates: Not my cup of tea, I'm too monogamous for this shit. Also, not interested in casual sex.
Thinking women are intrinsically more deceitful than men: I think people are people. Some are shitty and manipulative, some are nice and honest. These mysoginistic undertones from the red pill community are probably the shittiest thing about it, IMO. There are plenty of others, I'm sure, this was just the one that came to mind.

So it has certainly helped me, personally. I think that it can help most men, as long as they don't have a cultish mentality of "I have to believe every single thing these guys are saying".

TheRedPillRipper · 2021-12-01T20:36:22+00:00

Does it “work”

Only if you do. Ultimately TRP is simply sexual strategy. No one’s forced to agree to it. Or furthermore employ it.

have no ground in real life

I’m a proponent for simplifying things. TRP’s most basic tenets are simple; lift, make bank and enhance your social skills. All those facets will not only benefit your prospective relationships; it’s beneficial period.

Godspeed and good luck!

trail22 · 2021-12-01T22:50:43+00:00

Personally it doenst work for me. Not that it may work. There are a lot fo basic self improvement ideas you can do that arent morally incorrect. But when you start getting into the more grey stuff; you ahve to decide are you personally alright with the actions.

In generall all the healthy attractive succesful people with healthy expectations of what they want, are going to find someone. Everyone left has to scramble with people who are flawed.

The men who are willing and able to lower their phsyical standards dont need a a philosophy on how to do so.

And for women who have expectations men cannot match, they are not in the market. So whats left is women who have emotional needs that arent being fulfilled.

LackOf_Empathy · 2021-12-01T19:54:32+00:00

Red Pill informs men of the reality of the dating market. It reinforces my thinking of prioritizing my career over chasing women for a relationship, how to examine a woman's actions over her words, the liabilities of marriage, etc. Although I do recommend people to learn the teachings of the Red Pill, it only helps if men stop being so desperate for a relationship.

NockerJoe · 2021-12-01T21:03:30+00:00

I'm not actually TRP but one of the core tenets people overlook is that TRP doesn't recruit. Instead, people look for answers and find it on their own in an attempt to solve a problem they have. It usually isn't even the first thing they try. The issue is TRP, PUA, and other such communities are the only groups actually attempting to identify those problems and break down the solutions in a way the average man can interpret.

I've never thought any of it was perfect but its a solution that at least partially works and the actual functional alternatives that actually explain what needs to be explained for laypeople basically don't exist.

But does it work? Kinda. I've made similar tactics work and the results are undeniable. Its not perfect and some of the rhetoric is counter productive, but the actual theory can work. The big issue is its hard to respect someone it works on because of the assumptions you make and when people get kad they're mostly mad it makes people look bad. But that isn't actually the issue so much as the social behaviors that make it work are normalized and people are mad that their being intellectually and socially lazy suddenly has consequences.

Jakes1967 · 2021-12-01T21:19:26+00:00

If you are a red pill subscriber, did your life change for the better or for the worse?

Much better

Do you get the results you want or you wish you've never known about this?

Yes, I got the results I wanted and sometimes I honestly wish that I hadn't ever heard of it.

What difference RP awareness made in your life?

Not much, just a better understanding of relationships

tropicsGold · 2021-12-02T00:46:07+00:00

You first need to make a distinction between actual red pill resources like Rational Male, and comments of a bunch of fake red Pill idiots on Reddit.

I have found the same is true with FDS. Actual FDS teachings are wonderful, FDS commentators on Reddit are super toxic.

I would say actual red pill teachings are absolutely wonderful, they can seriously improve your life, and save your relationships. There are so many societal teachings that are just WRONG and men need to learn the truth. It not only benefits them, it benefits their women too.

Just skip the toxic commentators though.

Insidious-Sid · 2021-12-02T05:05:39+00:00

Being cognisant of the "other party's" uses for you and their intentions and strategies is ALWAYS beneficial.

Whether the job market.

The playing field.

The sexual marketplace.

The used car marketplace.

Knowing ways people can exploit you or just use you for their own agenda while not giving you what YOU want is always beneficial. It helps you spot users and better spend your time pursuing "win win" situations.

Of course, women think when men even the playing field a bit, well, that's exploitation and creepy rapey.

I mean, if you have better odds, why would you like the other party having a cheat-code to even them up?

SHAMEFUL! lololol.

undersupervixen · 2021-12-01T19:58:01+00:00

I find that redpill has a lot of interesting ideas and advice and perspective. They linked to certain core ideas and feelings I had but had wildly different ways of thinking about them. I don't think it "works" like some sort of 12-steps program, but it can be helpful to have more direct and honest discussions about common situations.

If you are a red pill subscriber, did your life change for the better or for the worse?

Much, much better.

Do you get the results you want or you wish you've never known about this?

So far so good, IMHO.

What difference RP awareness made in your life?

Primarily what changed is perception about what things I think are important vs unimportant.

What I'm trying to figure out is, if it "works" for you, why do you think it does

It worked by exposing me to a different perspective that challenged my existing perspective. But it was maybe more that there was "the things that should not be discussed" in the bubble I was living in. The challenging isn't entirely just different ideas, its that guys on TRP call you out on your bullshit and force you to defend your positions.

odd_cloud · 2021-12-01T20:16:29+00:00

Not straighlty from RP, but the advice to stop putting women on pedestal and being too nice helped a lot.

But generally RP was a good explanation for me. Ideas from RP were my experience put into concepts. If anything has changed, is that I found inner peace. So I find ideas like af/bb and 80/20 quite useful. What annoys me is the prescriptive part of the RP, which seems to be just a bunch of bullshit.

stats135 · 2021-12-01T20:23:34+00:00

The RP encompasses a large pool of knowledge, but if I were to point to one thing that works it would be the mindset of an economist. This frame of mind lead you to think about things like sexual market value, risk/returns of relationship/marriage, and ultimately the optimal sexual strategy.

AreJewOkay · 2021-12-01T21:05:00+00:00

I am not RP but their advice on a lot of things does work. I followed it before I knew what RP was. They tell you regardless of women to get fit, improve your finances, and maintain a good social circle of motivated individuals. Doing this myself has made dramatic improvements in my life and everyone should subscribe to their advise regarding self improvement. The first thing you should work on is yourself, not worrying about other peoples standards. They give really solid non sugarcoated advice to men about why they are not successful. They will tell you like it is an not coddle you. That is the best thing to take from that community.

The biggest problem they have boils down to AWALT. It’s funny because they actually get it right but their percentages are just off. Not all women are hypergamists that will drop you for a guy with a slightly larger ballsack or bank account. Not all women are evil and deceptive. Ultimately that is a misogynist notion and that’s why I will never call myself RP. In reality a LOT of women are like that though. I’d say RP strategy and teachings cover about 50% of women. Lots of women will use men, or plate men, or otherwise take advantage of dumb average men.

So if you take RP with a grain of salt and know when you run into that type of woman (50% chance) then the advice is great. It’s kinda similar to FDS if women are out there dating losers and abusers. Not all men are trash but probably around 50% are also. They suffer from the same extremism of over generalizing men.

sootlord · 2021-12-02T07:22:21+00:00

I have been studying and practicing Red Pill Theory for the last 3 years. I can honestly say from my experience that its 95% true.

Once you see through the illusion of Women's game playing, it's a total game changer.

If any man is looking to get married that he's on the verge of committing financial suicide.

Lateralanouncer · 2021-12-02T08:09:42+00:00

NO acting like a blue pill forest Gump who has oneits for a slut is the best sexual strategy. She is your.prize when she gets off the cc

Ruben_the_Fish · 2021-12-01T19:52:01+00:00

I have been on this earth a long time and I have seen the BPD women that Red Pill describes. They are a minority of women but they exist and they destroy people's lives. Red Pill works on that sort of damage, but for most people it will backfire as it did with me. Negging and dread game will make me dump a guy, and most women will too.

flapperfemmefatale · 2021-12-01T20:16:08+00:00

I think TRP encourages men to be a type of man I find repulsive. I'm sure they're successful with women who aren't like me, though.

phantomdilletante · 2021-12-01T21:36:29+00:00

From what I’ve seen, people who are anti-red pill aren’t against because of whether it works or not. It seems that for a lot of cases of men who “take the red pill,” it works for at least a brief time, in the sense that they do actually have more dates, more sex, and more relationships, and with women who fit than preferences rather than settling for those who don’t. A lot of people’s problems with it, or at least some shades/flavors/dosages of the red-pill, are the beliefs and opinions it inculcates in men, and the kind of relationship and dating dynamics these men create for women and the world of dating. Essentially, it’s very common for the red pill to make men more attractive than they were in some ways (they dress and groom better, they communicate with more finesse and more balanced sexuality, they understand social scripts better), it can also make men more abusive because of how they are learning to interpret their interactions with women.

badfemaleperson · 2021-12-01T21:43:17+00:00

While I consider myself a feminist, and I am a professional and the breadwinner, I do believe in certain aspects of traditional gender roles, and am attracted to conventionally masculine or alpha men. Never had a problem attracting and keeping the men I wanted, and most of my relationships ended when I decided they were inadequate for me in some way. You might call the qualities I disliked about them too "beta," but I would just say they were poorly adjusted to adult life, and were the kind of guys who had peaked early and weren't mature enough for me intellectually, emotionally, or career-wise. Currently in a long term relationship, likely to be marriage, with a sweet, progressive, former model/D2 athlete and current tech bro.

TRP guys seem to get this confused, and while self betterment is talked about, self actualization doesnt seem to be prioritized at all. The manner of self betterment that seems to be emphasized is becoming some fuckboy they knew in college that maybe got laid a lot in school, but probably has a relatively unimpressive track record when it comes to adult life. I.e. no career, no interests, no wisdom, no useful life experiences. I imagine this is because TRP probably skews pretty young, but IMO if you don't have your shit mostly together by 25 you really should stop concentrating on pussy and try to achieve something.

So, yes, certain things TRP identifies that women care about are definitely real and attractive. But they're more likely window dressing, not the qualities that make any person generally attractive, and thats being smart, ambitious, interesting, successful, kind, and open-minded. If your only interest is women don't expect to get anyone worth keeping,.

Whisper · 2021-12-01T21:55:49+00:00

There is a common sentiment around here that says red pillers are just bitter mysogenistic boys who are upset because the women blah blah blah

That sentiment is common to people who cannot stand to hear anything negative said about women in general, ever, and so they must immediately try to discredit the source because they cannot discredit the statement.

If you are a red pill subscriber, did your life change for the better or for the worse? Do you get the results you want or you wish you've never known about this? What difference RP awareness made in your life?

I'm one of the handful of guys who came up with this stuff in the first place, so I included all the stuff that made my life better, and excluded the stuff that didn't.

Sad_Top1743 · 2021-12-01T20:30:49+00:00

If you are a red pill subscriber, did your life change for the better or for the worse?

Much better. It helped me accept things instead of questioning what the hell was going on.

Do you get the results you want or you wish you've never known about this?

I don't get exactly what I want but I am in a better spot than before. I wish I knew about it in my teens because that mind set would have helped even more during my youth.

What difference RP awareness made in your life?

What women value, how they operate and their general line of thinking when it comes to romance. Outside of women it showed me the importance of stoicism and the power of status.

What I'm trying to figure out is, if it "works" for you, why do you think it does, and if it doesn't, why do you think it doesn't?

I think it mainly works because men in America are taught to be yielding and accommodating to the gentler sex but biologically what women want is different. The rise of single mothers has raised a generation of fatherless men who struggle to the conflicting messages of toxic masculinity and biological drivers.

stlmick · 2021-12-01T20:16:14+00:00

My buddy is red pill. Previously, he was in an on again, off again relationship with a chick that didn't really have her shit together, he had a sporadic drinking problem, but they fucked all the time. Now, he dates older women because they are less drama, sometimes fucks prostitutes, and has a sporadic drinking problem, but works more hours and does better financially. For him it was probably a slight improvement.

Lonely_23_1997 · 2021-12-01T20:53:22+00:00

It works on the type of women it’s intended to work on.

NUKE_DEMOCRACY · 2021-12-02T03:50:50+00:00

depends what part. Most of PUA shit is bunk and anti-social weirdness. But stuff like alpha fux beta bux is clearly real and probably known long before RP was a thing.

WheelIntelligent1354 · 2021-12-02T04:40:32+00:00

On the most basic level the answer goes like this:

IF you can follow the redpill properly it will work 99% of the time. If you read it but don't apply it properly or just use rp arguments online without practicing, then no it will not work.

Whynotbebetter · 2021-12-02T09:45:11+00:00

What is red pill? And as an answer to your first question: yes, I dare to guarantee you that it is more complex. And further more, "working things out with a professional" isn't as readily and freely available as one makes it sound when reasoning like that.

botfiddler · 2021-12-02T10:41:28+00:00

I'm into the whole knowledge around relationships, not limited to TRP but also MGTOW arguments which go beyond that, and then TBP knowledge as well.

It helped me to make the decision to focus on the development of robowaifus, only using hookers and hook-ups till then, instead of putting to much effort into dating and wanting a LTR. I kept my money, which I had in form of Bitcoin and therefore went up a lot, and I learned lots of tech related of things. The manosphere also keeps reminding me, how bad other men have it.

manfrom-nantucket · 2021-12-02T13:44:56+00:00

RP for me was the realization of how much bullshit men are fed about women. Sort of tears off that veneer and you get to see what's underneath is another calculating human being who has motivations of their own. Now personally this wouldn't bother me much but toss in the government into the mix and you start to see why cohabitation and marriage to a woman is a deal breaker on every level.

2021-12-02T17:56:26+00:00

personally I think all this redpill/MGTOW stuff is beneficial in the context that it stops dudes from putting chicks on pedestals (which western society has normalized; despite claims of "equality").

to many simps/paypigs out here in modern society; to many dudes getting finessed because they didn't have a dad to teach them to have a backbone.

think a lot of guys fall down the rabbit hole instead of understanding that life/people are shades of grey; rather than black and white.

M_LaSalle · 2021-12-03T21:09:01+00:00

TRP is relevant as a description of how females actually behave in the dating and sexual markets. To what extent it "works" for guys might be a function of how realistic their expectations were going in. Men have a limited ability to improve their SMV. Thos improvements require time, effort, and in some cases money. As long as they don't expect too much it will work. But. The men may be unable or unwilling to make the investment, and they may not be happy with the return.

But whether or not TRP gives men actionable advice, it at least gives them invaluable information about what to expect and what to guard against

billsull_02842 · 2021-12-04T00:51:49+00:00

women are just as bad as men. according to facebook community standards thats hate speech. they act like they are made of sugar and spice and that may make them a little worse.

daddysgotanew · 2021-12-01T20:25:00+00:00

Absolutely it does. Once you see it, you can’t unsee it- as they say

Educational-Ad6210 · 2021-12-01T20:50:39+00:00

Before discovering TRP many dudes claim they were invisible, but that’s because they appealed to no one. TRP teaches you to be successful with the kind of women who find TRP behavior attractive, obviously. If you learn to play with women you will attract shallow party girls, if you learn to trumpet your psychopathic version of success you will attract gold diggers, if you learn to project traditional masculinity you will attract a traditional woman. You will get what you ask for while claiming “all women are like that”, and in some sense you are right: women are what you decide them to be. The world is many things but if you choose to look at it a certain way it will collapse to one dimension just for you.

I guess, TRP is a ginny in the bottle that turns your wishes true, but people’s wishes is what will destroy them. So, I guess it works.

SweetChocolate02 · 2021-12-01T20:02:05+00:00

I learned that the guys who can’t get over the res pill rage phase actually do hate women. I felt with it for about a week. I give guy advice and I mainly get attacked by women who think I hate women. But really any man who’s not red pill aware is doomed to be manipulated by women or to be in an open relationship.

Mark_Freed · 2021-12-01T20:04:30+00:00

It seems to be more true than mainstream beliefs.

It is useful for simps and helps them when taken in small doses.

Fleischpeitsch · 2021-12-01T22:00:47+00:00

TRP is self-reinforcing cycle. It works - but only for shitty relationships with drama-prone, manipulative, illogical, illoyal and childlike women.

They assume that women are AWALT, but they also use tricks that work best on AWALT women and make normal women run away, which in turn reinforces their beliefs that AWALT

http://theconversation.com/do-women-really-go-for-bad-boys-heres-the-science-that-settles-the-question-59409

In another study, participants who read dating apps in which people described themselves as altruistic (“I volunteer at the food bank”) were rated as more attractive short-term dates and long-term partners than those who didn’t mention such qualities. Other studies have similarly shown that women prefer men who are sensitive, confident and easy-going, and that very few (if any) women want to date a man who is aggressive or demanding. The picture that emerges is clear: when women rate hypothetical partners, they clearly prefer “nice” men.

Some studies have shown that having a nice personality can even affect impressions of a person’s physical attractiveness. Characteristics such as warmth, kindness, and basic decency are valued by both women and men – having them makes us more desirable partners, but also makes us appear more physically attractive.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886914001421

Interestingly, narcissists – who are generally disagreeable and harsh individuals – rated others who possessed narcissistic traits more positively than non-narcissists. Furthermore, a mediation analysis revealed that this effect of narcissism on ratings was mediated by narcissists’ self-reports of possessing the narcissistic traits. Thus, this study provides initial evidence that narcissists are more accepting of others’ narcissistic traits, and this study has implications for understanding the interpersonal and intrapersonal consequences of narcissism

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201605/do-narcissists-feather-flock-together)

As you can tell from these words, the theory driving the study was that friends of narcissists are themselves narcissists. In other words, the only people who can stand being friends with narcissists are other narcissists.

As predicted, the findings showed that those who maintain long-term relationships with narcissists were high in narcissism themselves. In interpreting the findings, Maaß et al. concluded that narcissists “like what they have” (p. 378). Narcissists are not only tolerant of narcissism in their friends, they also are not turned off by the selfishness, arrogance, and bossiness that would drive non-narcissists away.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/psychology-uncovers-sex-appeal-dark-personalities/

The dark triad score was positively correlated with their “dressed-up” attractiveness – a finding that mirrors previous findings. However, the dark triad score was not related to ratings of physical attractiveness in the dressed-down photos. In other words, people with dark personality traits are not seen as more physically attractive than others when you take away their freedom to wear their own clothes and makeup. People with dark personalities seem to be better at making themselves physically appealing.

The more humble among us can take heart in knowing that despite these initial advantages, narcissists’ popularity tends to decline over time. The process may take several weeks, perhaps because people with dark personality traits are skilled at keeping their unsavory side hidden. However, since the hallmark of these personality traits is interpersonal exploitation, it is only a matter of time before those closest to them get wise to their ways and start to avoid them.

When it comes to long-term relationships, either in fiction or reality, most people shy away from those with dark personality traits. Maybe that’s why in order to sustain our interest over multiple books or movies, that alluring vampire or villain needs to have a heart of gold.

It isn't that women like dark triad men. It's simply that dark triad women like dark triad men, while nice women like nice men: like attracts like

But TRP does it's best to convince their user base to make themselves unattractive to normal women and instead go for the bottom of the barrel dark triad women.

HillaryLostTheEC · 2021-12-01T20:17:52+00:00

It teaches how to be a masculine man and the realities of being a masculine man in society...

PhilosopherHistorian · 2021-12-02T00:27:32+00:00

Do RP’ers exaggerate things and go overboard?

A bit.

Are some RP claims reflected in real life?

Certainly. Lookism, hypergamy, 80/20, etc have objective relevance even though RP exaggerates them or takes them out of context.

Does RP work as a dating strategy?

Depending on the women you’re trying to use it on, it can. Personally, I wouldn’t want to be with a woman that’s gullible enough to fall for the cheap RP/PUA tricks. There are certainly a lot of dumb women out there who do but most sensical women probably won’t.

medlabunicorn · 2021-12-01T19:56:48+00:00

Terp methods are basically effective at short-term gains. If you lie, boast, cheat, and pay false compliments, you’ll be successful with people (including women) in the short term. They work on men as well as on women. However, being sociopathic burns your bridges, so eventually the only ‘relationships’ you will have will be with people as misanthropic as you are.

As for ‘what is real,’ the principles are based on selective reading of studies and popular-press representations of studies, while ignoring data that doesn’t fit the narrative. For example, the 80/20 rule is based on OKCupid data showing that women rated 80% of men as ‘below average,’ while ignoring data from the same study showing that women actually messaged men in the median (those same ‘below average’ guys) the most, whereas men rated women in a bell curve but only messaged the top 20%. It came out later that men who were rated as ‘above average’ would be notified that a woman had done so, and so women rated men below that trigger point in order to remain anonymous.

rosephase · 2021-12-01T19:56:07+00:00

If you believe AWALT, AF/BB and/or the 80/20 "rule", then you are doing damage to your ability to ever have a mutual trusting relationship with the gender you are attracted to.

People are a hell of a lot more then "slightly" more complex. TRP dumbs down gender and individuals into a absolute nonsense that harms the people who believe it.

y2kjanelle · 2021-12-01T21:15:48+00:00

Yes, I think it does work for some men. It can teach you to be strong in yourself. You shouldn’t be overtly nice to random people you don’t know. And I don’t mean don’t be kind. But kindness also comes with the responsibility to not take crap. And RP teaches that. Watching what people do vs what they say is a good tactic. Not letting someone use you is a good tactic. Putting your foot down is a good tactic. So is focusing on yourself and your own growth.

The problem is HOW they teach it. Being strong in yourself and becoming your own self-advocate should not come at the expense of the treatment of others.

Calling fat women “whales”, objectifying women and calling them “plates” or “whores who ride the cock carousel” is not helpful to ANYONE. Any man who thinks those things just is a misogynist or bad person. That’s just a fact. What strong man needs to “prove” he is alpha? What strong man needs to bring women down to help himself up?

Not putting women on a pedestal or taking their crap shouldn’t be equated with treating them badly.

Not to mention the misogyny. Almost every single RP man I have ever come into contact with, somehow views women as lesser than. They complain that women are “whores” if they are comfortable with their sexuality. They claim they are being “attacked” for “preferring a woman with a low n count” when in reality, they’re being attacked for judging someone who is different than their preference. They claim women have it “easier with attracting men ” than men do women (which isn’t wrong), but use that to SHAME and BLAME women instead of learning how to be better themselves.

Women should not be blamed for having it easier. Women consistently put more effort into their looks (which isn’t always good), but every action comes with benefits and repercussions. We do better with OLD because we FIT what OLD requires. The thousands of selfies women are more likely to take would OBVIOUSLY help with attracting people on a PLATFORM where LOOKS are encouraged.

Then they take things out of context as well. The “Nice guy Syndrome” is common. They think that because “bad guys” get more sex or attention, that it justifies being “bad”. When in reality, bad guys are just really good manipulators. NO abuser just up and hits a woman and then asks her out. Unless in a situation where that would have no consequence. Why do you think it’s common for victims of abuse in general to have an abusive relationship be their FIRST relationship? Because manipulators pick up on it. Men or women. They pick out vulnerability and use it to their advantage.

.Personally, I think they just go about it the wrong way. If you even look at PPD and RP posters, it is ALWAYS about a critique of women. There’s almost always a negative connotation. They put wayyy too much emphasis on sex and relationships. I really dislike the “I would never touch a single mother” sentiment. They do it for the wrong reasons. Don’t judge the parent that stayed and why are you focusing on the fact that she’s a single mother INSTEAD OF WHETHER YOU WANT TO BE A PARENT TO CHILDREN or not.

But anyways, sex and relationships are the exact reasons that most men go to RP. It’s not to better themselves per se, it’s to be successful in sex and relationships, and sometimes the way they teach becomes harmful.

The first moderator of RP I met told me he thinks all women are whores. He went on a rant. He called his mother a whore, me a whore. He said he enjoyed watching the “decline” of women and watching them suffer. That’s immediately when I knew there’s something off.

_GetMeBodied · 2021-12-01T20:38:19+00:00

I’m sure it works for some, but for me these men leave me with a feelings of disgust.

TodTheRod01 · 2021-12-02T01:05:42+00:00

Common sentiment by mostly women...who don't like that some of the female nature is being exposed/explained...

I def don't think RP is to be taken to the LETTER...but as someone else here explained it in a different thread....RP is a toolbox. What you do with it is up to you.

Think about it a knife and a firearm are both tools. A knife can be used to hunt for food, prepare food, build shelters, perform emergency surgery...but it can also be used to commit crimes...Same with a firearm.

-Giga- · 2021-12-01T21:47:42+00:00

Yesterday, in an unscheduled stint of severe procrastination, I ended up spending many hours talking to a red piller in the PPD Discord that led me to absolutely no new opinion of TRP and the following observations:

if I wasn't sure men were the problem before, I am sure now
TRP is a scam. If you pay a cashier $5 to get a $5 sandwich, then no it wasn't black magic that made you successful at getting a sandwhich.

Instructing men to meet female imperative (while 24/7 bitching that our imperative is somehow "wrong" and evil)

Then saying misogyny made these compliant men attractive is stupidity of the highest order.

Female imperative demands certain things for sex/relationships.

Attractiveness, protector/provider

Men who don't meet any of these things go without. It makes sense. Why would she be there if you meet zero needs?

Red pillers are telling unattractive men not to be providers and stoke their rage saying "misogyny makes men attractive" 🤡

Ok,

If misogyny is what made men attractive, incels would all be having sex.

Males pointing to felons women are attracted to ignore the physical attractiveness too. Tell me how you walking into a jail cell looking like you do now get you swimming in sex.

Like when men spammed male model tier Jeremy Meeks to prove women are the worst but since when were men leering at tits and ass for the morality?? 🙃

In other words, The Red Pill Scam recommends meeting the female imperative to get sex 🤡

Like every other generation of men had to (arguably less, in some ways)

Then claiming its the misogyny getting men all the sex

Same exact red piller says of course he hides it

(You have to hide things women want, see.)

Women force men to decieve them for sex.

🤡

These are the people injured by the injustice of deceit when they bought someone a sandwhich and nothing happened.

When I ask about all the misogynist red pillers who aren't getting sex?

Easy. They're not real red pillers

These are the people calling women "the oldest children in the house".

the claim that "women take no personal accountability" is pure projection.
Red Pill is nothing but the Blue Pill with red hats. Men demand the lie. The personal development section covers 100% of the "improvement" shit. The only other variable is being as malicious as possible to women to uphold a fiction of superiority that doesn't reconcile with reality
They say "enjoy the decline" but are livid that the decline is resulting in rising female distrust and less sex. TRP has been at it for over 15 years now. Who woulda thunk the female sex would have noticed, what with all the uber shitty behavior being so widespread in the dating scene. Even much older people know and warn about these people

Its like watching a loop of males shooting themselves in the foot with clown makeup on.

TRP is an identity provided to empty men with no purpose. The claims should be able to handle scrutiny without collapsing or making the bot speaking these claims glitch and ignore objective reality
so much of "male issues" is self inflicted by the manosphere.

TRP being one faction. Shocking how boys raised on unlimited porn that "not all men" normalized, being told worthless women are the problem so they don't have to present anything of value for a partner would turn out this way. (If you wait, you'll find someone blaming single mothers in the comments)

If you're a man and you have trouble with women, literally "what is in it for her" solves more than half your problems. Intentional or not, many of you are super selfish and its not even close.
Perhaps the gender of "personal accountability" can figure something a little better for their own. Hell, make "engaged fatherhood" hot so that your sons aren't imprinted with scams like this telling them their only worth and function as men is sex. The biology of the female sex is not going to shapeshift to accomodate your personal inadequacies no matter how much bitching you do. We have nothing to feel bad about, you discuss us with expiration dates.

TRP has men raging at women for literally the female portion of human biology while they play victim and villain at the same damn time.

Pick a struggle. You look ridiculous.

lulll · 2021-12-01T21:19:55+00:00

it works if all you are after is club/bar skanks and insecure trashy women, which is exactly what red pillers want (see: the women on fresh and fit), so yes it works. don't believe that trad shit some of them rant about, they say they want the good girl but they need the bad poossy

mwcmu452 · 2021-12-01T22:25:20+00:00

It made my life worse when I didn’t have it internalized, when I was using it to make girls like me better. When I fully internalized it, which took experience and tremendous mental burden, the redpill made my life much better, it gave me back a lot of power and control over my life. Also, it provided me with crucial tools to navigating dating and to be aware when I am being played. I now don’t spend time and money dating women that are stringing me a long. Helped me develop boundaries and protect my time and savings. Another huge benefit was that it made me firmer in not wanting kids or caring for marriage, and this lead me to pursue financial independence and early retirement since BB out of the equation.

Funnily enough, once I truly internalized it, much of the TRP talk on this sub or other subs, doesn’t interest me anymore, and is more cringe than anything, like using the terms alpha/beta, plating, she is submissive and cooks, how much do you squat?, etc. But there are still quality comments on asktrp, that still surprises me till this day how wise and accurate they can be, you just have to sort through the comments.

Stunning-Spirit5275 · 2021-12-01T23:45:00+00:00

The main relevance is the recognition of hypergamy and focus on self realization . As for the rest, nah. I came here mainly for the copium and to watch the misanthropy unfold

FlicksterTrickster · 2021-12-02T01:44:10+00:00

It’s way more relevant than all the lies media and women feed you about how women work.

It works because half of it is just self improvement and admitting that women care about looks more than even men do.

It’s why they called it red pill in the first place. The comforting lies like “just be yourself” and “looks don’t matter” are “bluepill” bullshit. Reality isn’t nice and you’re gonna have work to do and it’s going to be hard is the part women always forget to mention when maligning it. But it’s better than living in a pretend fairy tail. That’s a luxury (attractive) women have, not men.

SquanderedResources8 · 2021-12-01T20:15:49+00:00

No, it objectively doesn't work or have real life relevance.

sernamedeleted · 2021-12-01T19:58:52+00:00

Nope

backcourtjester · 2021-12-01T19:53:49+00:00

Objectively? No. Best I can tell, its a lot of guys who lack the physical standards to be total douchebags to women complaining that they don’t get to smash like the rest of us

Alt_Er_Midlertidig · 2021-12-02T14:12:38+00:00

Agree and Amplify works on both sexes. Working out, works on both sexes. "Action speaks louder than words" that's also something that works on both sexes and in almost all situations.

Being physically active is preferred for both sexes, being the best you can be is preferable for both too. That's not purely TRP though. Those are common sense tactics in either getting what you want, or becoming the person you want to be.

All in all, TRP just packages common sense advice into a "waaahmen bad" ribbon.

throwaway1643 · 2021-12-02T15:30:07+00:00

Yes.

rickyroyal37 · 2021-12-02T17:48:24+00:00

To a certain extent but then it makes you one dimensional with having to play all the power games and inhibits your ability to be vulnerable or experience love or trust.

Mr_Chad_Thunderpenis · 2021-12-02T23:42:28+00:00

Red Pill is a lot of truth mixed with some nonsense.

Does it have real life relevance? Sure it does. Most of what the Red Pill says(without the fancy lingo of course) most men who socialize enough have already learnt when they were young.

Zerofication · 2021-12-03T11:26:45+00:00

Redpill covers a lot of stuff and like any system of thoughts, some of it will be true, otherwise it wouldn't attract people in the first place, some will be common sense and some will be incorrect. Let me give an example, redpillers claim that all women are whores, this could be interpreted as literally all women are whores which is clearly false, or all women are capable of becoming whores which is also false, but this interpretation is less false than the previous one. In reality, most women are capable of becoming whores under certain conditions, this is what redpillers are trying to capture by spreading the idea that all women are whores, and you can see how easily ideas can be misinterpreted.

passepar2t · 2021-12-01T22:10:04+00:00

No, the red pill is total nonsense, you should totally ignore it. Wink.

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DeJuanBallard · 2021-12-01T21:54:32+00:00

You have already been too far indoctrinated for it to be any use to you, keep simping , it's your better option.

NoMarriageNoKids · 2021-12-01T22:15:59+00:00

Depends. Red pill is really a blanket term that covers a lot of philosophies. For example, MGTOW and PUA are both red-pilled. One avoids women and the other plays them.

Title	Objectively, does red pill have real life relevance? Does it "work"?
Author	EstablishmentKooky50
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Date	December 1, 2021 7:46 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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