Red Pill is the way and it is brutal for a very good reason.

MickIsBlue · 2022-06-10T14:43:31+00:00

For 80% men and 20% women dating market is brutal. Men have to meet high standards set by women and at the same time face fierce competition by other men

Remaining men and women will disagree with that, trust fund kids will say that becoming rich is easy, and dolphins will say holding your breath for 10 minutes doesn't require any effort... because privileges we have are invisible to us until we lose them.

I agree

Listening to blue pill women advice is like sheep getting advised by wolves. Be nice, respect and serve women, listen to her problems... it shapes men into great material for friends/orbiters and a BB with which then can settle after being used up IF they do not manage to lock up a HVM. That works just great for women, but it doesn't work for us, at all.

Also agree. It works for only a very subset of men who has certain x factors into play that also tailors to his advantages (ie he has game, height, good looks).

These advices are not meant to help us, they are made to use us to make world less brutal for women.

Half disagree. Most people do in fact want to help us with this advice. But it's the type of advice that sounds good on paper but doesn't really work so well in reality

We could try that, change the dating market to be less brutal for us. Every once in a while some incel which doesn't know better tries doing this. He asks women to be more blue pilled and then he gets mauled. Because we are not entitled to less brutal market and women are entitled to their freedoms.

Very true

The only thing remaining is to be brutal in a brutal world.

That's Red Pill.

I agree but to what degree are we talking brutal? Do men have to be a lying manipulative person? A person who doesn't care about his partners self esteem? To what degree are we saying?

smallstarseeker · 2022-06-10T20:09:42+00:00

Not all Pareto Principles are 80/20. Jesus Christ dude. It’s more along the line of 67/33. Now think to yourself what the average guy is like,

I don’t think EVERYONE should be getting laid. There are some men who should probably not reproduce or at the very least be in charge of a family. Women are the sexual selectors for a reason. Do they pick the wrong men a lot of the times? Sure cause those men would’ve been very useful when life was a lot more dangerous. But this idea that 100% of men and 100% of women should reproduce is good for society is absolute bunk. Feminists should die alone with their cats for being failures as women in the same way incels should die alone for being failures as men.

the_lazy_orange · 2022-06-10T15:06:09+00:00

I fail too see how 80/20 is real for the average american man who can easily move down the socioeconomic ladder to find a mate. Cuz thats the real redpill truth.

Stunning-Potato-1984 · 2022-06-10T14:13:36+00:00

I dunno I always thought of the redpill as very soft and easy. It's tells you you're great so long as you do these very easy things like working out and basic things you have to do to survive comfortably. It then proceedes to tell you there's something fundamentally different, nay wrong with women. It never forces you to confront serious emotional issues a man may have, his lack of close friends or support system. You know the hard shit.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2022-06-10T14:17:24+00:00

I thought 80/20 was blackpill. Is the shit just merging now?

luckykitty99 · 2022-06-10T20:40:36+00:00

I dislike the notion of a BB ‘average man’. In my experience all men have something special you just need to find it. Patterns of attraction have so much to do with your childhood and how you were socialized. If a woman was socialized and told to want certain things of a man then that’s what’s going to happen unless she gains a certain level of self-awareness.

I’ve seen this in action. Growing up my very intellectual father always told me ‘never depend on a man for money. Always have your own income’. My cousin who was the same age as me was always told by her spoiled mother (no blood relation to me, her dad and my dad were brothers) to find a rich man who can take care of her. Which was a bit ironic because she ended up being a very successful lawyer who became very rich herself from working, but it was sad that she would always look for a rich man because that’s what she was told to do. She’s never been happily married even though she’s a very beautiful, slim woman with no kids.

And also subconsciously people are attracted to features that they see in a parent. I grew up with a narcissistic mother, and when I was a young adult I was attracted to narcissistic men, I was like a magnet for them. As you can imagine this was disastrous for me, I was abused physically, financially and emotionally. At one point I stopped dating and worked really hard on identifying and changing my natural patterns of attraction. Once I succeeded at that I met my husband and we’ve been very happily married for almost 7 years now. Every day he shows me the kindness, love, consideration and respect I never had in my personal life. This to me is priceless, there’s no one like him; I wouldn’t change him for all the billionaire ‘chads’ in the world.

That doesn’t mean there aren’t certain other things that have to work for me - I still need to be physically attracted to a man in order to have a lasting relationship. The sex needs to be amazing, too. And they need to be on my level intellectually and have at least some mutual interests. Money isn’t as important to me because I have a very successful career on my own that I love, but they need to have some kind of steady income and not be lazy.

I think the challenge especially when you’re a young adult on the dating scene (man or woman) is that you don’t have much self-awareness with regards to your subconscious patterns of attraction, and what motivates them.

HippyWitchyVibes · 2022-06-10T13:14:29+00:00

Why do people here think all women in long term relationships are with a "BB"?

I've been with my partner for 18 years. I can't imagine being with anyone else, I'm crazy about him, we are best friends, we have fun together and our sex life is amazing. Is that the definition of a BB?

TotalTravesty · 2022-06-10T13:02:20+00:00

As a rule I try to avoid things that sound like an advertisement for a cult. Unless you’re the voice in my GPS, I don’t need you telling me “the way.”

And unless you’ve got a mouse in your pocket, stop talking in plural. You don’t know “us” and “we” don’t know you.

Sdp2036 · 2022-06-10T13:34:46+00:00

Stay single gents stay single.

TermAggravating8043 · 2022-06-10T12:40:29+00:00

Maybe stepping away from pill minded thinking and stop categorising men n women into groups will help?

Josueisjosue · 2022-06-11T04:03:01+00:00

Red pill pulls good advice from different philosophies and repackages them into one that is catered to angry men. Frustrated might be the better word.

There's good advice so internalize what works for you morally. Then discard all the language and move on.

There's comes a point where stuff just starts getting repeated over and over again. It's meant to be a sub for people to "wake up" then leave.

I know at first it seems like the gift that keeps on giving, so once you feel like every post starts reading the same, just go ahead and move on to the next thing. Explore other philosophys not just by reading them but by following them and see what happens.

Trp should be a jumping of point. It is not the be all end all.

-passepar2t- · 2022-06-10T14:48:46+00:00

RP is not even that brutal anymore, it's just cringeworthy grandstanding and fake field reports now.

Ok_Patient_8526 · 2022-06-10T15:14:48+00:00

It works so well that the majority turned to the black pill and the whole movement is declining rapidly.

Go look at all the TRP gurus and see where the advice got them lol.

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Vtridolla · 2022-06-10T16:17:34+00:00

RP is kinda lame. I’m sure there will be some more interesting internet culture that will leave it in the past.

Slight_Fig5187 · 2022-06-10T16:48:32+00:00

There's no such thing as a 80/20 divide, in most societies, each age cohort is approximately 50/50. You're just talking about dating apps.

Make relationships more brutal, you'll get even less access to women.

I foresee a future where a growing number of angry, lonely men will keep posting these things whereas happy single women will go on with their lives, enjoying the company of friends, having children alone, and not worrying about men anymore.

Bubbly_Taro · 2022-06-10T12:50:35+00:00

Most of red pill is bullshit. Snake oil made by content creators to get you hooked on their videos and sell you some garbage.

The problem with debunking pill theory is that they are broad subjects with many different interpretations.

Attack X and someone claims that it is not part of RP and you need to focus on Y instead. Attack Y and the next person calls you an idiot since clearly Z is more important. And then the whole discussion devolves into arguing about schematics.

If you boil away all the garbage the core of RP is accepting reality and then making educated steps with that information.

This core identity is good and all, but there is way too much bloat around it.

wtknight · 2022-06-10T13:53:02+00:00

The Red Pill is probably the way of what an average guy wants is a lot of casual sex.

I don’t think that it’s necessary for a relationship, but the problem is that hypergamous women don’t want to date their attractiveness match. This makes things difficult for guys who have no problem attracting some women, but only ones below his league.

Men who complain about even the dating market being brutal are usually not as attractive as they think that they are. It’s easy for an average guy to date, but it’s difficult for him to date the women whom he thinks that he deserves. Even high value men have some difficulty with attracting high value women, which is why they spend much of their time having casual sex with average value women instead, who are readily attracted to them.

So, in short, to challenge your view: The dating market is not brutal, but men make it difficult by either expecting the women who they think are their attractiveness matches to easily be attracted to them, or by misjudging their own attractiveness.

The casual sex market is brutal for the average man, though. Many of the men who do turn to the Red Pill are perfectly able to find a standard relationship with some average Becky, but they want more than that.

Dormouse_in_a_teapot · 2022-06-10T16:23:50+00:00

Wahhhhhhh

addarail · 2022-06-10T15:17:32+00:00

Sheep moment . Can we just focus on curing cancer instead of labeling ourselves and listening to alpha red pill men who got dumped too many times for punching walls ?

CocoBabeNYC · 2022-06-10T13:52:34+00:00

You seem to really like the prison of misery and angst you have built for yourself

beleidigtewurst · 2022-06-10T13:34:12+00:00

So what can we do about it.

Either find a long term partner.

Or buy sex.

Or masturbate. (it is unhealthy for men to abstain for more than 2 weeks)

Or combination of these.

AelfredRex · 2022-06-10T15:07:32+00:00

65% of men in the US are married.... so saying 80% are having dating problems is a huge fat LIE.

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2022-06-10T14:01:52+00:00

brutal in what way? and how does it help with any of the above problems?

techr0nin · 2022-06-10T14:42:45+00:00

But reading your post, by your own admission the average guy can just BB if he chooses to. Brutal or not, if you can’t increase your SMV to a point higher than the women you are pursuing, be it through RP or some other way, then you gotta make up the difference somehow.

The truth is average and below average people settle when they date. You either accept that or you up your value, that’s it.

smallstarseeker · 2022-06-10T18:40:02+00:00

I don't even disagree with a lot of it I think RP just takes basic realism in regards to human nature and turns it into a gender war which breeds hate towards women and paints us like separate creatures. Our behavior is very similar to yours we just value different things and it makes it hard to understand each other at face value.

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2022-06-10T19:31:46+00:00

I don't claim the red pill but using red pill logic and philosophies have helped me a great deal socially, romantically, physically and sexually. Getting in better shape and removing women from the pedestal I had put them on were my two biggest issues. Once I eliminated those two problems, dating has been fairly easy for me.

I understand that there are extremely toxic elements and beliefs of the red pill that I don't agree with but I learned a long time ago that with most things, you must take the good and leave the bad.

I also understand that the majority of women will always dislike the red pill because it does not benefit them in any way. Because the reality of modern dating is that the best dating strategies for men and women are diametrically opposed to each other. What's good for women will be bad for men and vice versa. Once you understand this you'll realize that reddit like this one are really pointless. But it is still good to listen to others viewpoints so you can stay knowledgeable about the latest trends and strategies in dating so you don't become outdated in your thought process.

Catherine772023 · 2022-06-10T19:50:04+00:00

Kindness and respectfulness (when someone has earned respect) are good human qualities. So is being a good listener.

But you shouldn’t have to be a servant. If she doesn’t listen to you but you listen to her distance yourself from that imbalance.

I think you should treat women well but don’t be a pushover.

Saying the only thing to do is add to the brutality is just bad for everyone.

Look hot too.

boomershack · 2022-06-10T23:30:15+00:00

The Red Pill's message was hijacked by pick up artists years ago. You should be redpilled on society as a whole and how it exists to screw you over. If you're a weak dude and consume modern red pill content after the old forums/vids you'll probably feel like shit. All they talk about is the V-Box. You should not be living and dying for the V-Box. Fuck Government.

Willow-girl · 2022-06-11T12:36:18+00:00

The only thing remaining is to be brutal in a brutal world.

Let's see; I fell in love with my man because of his vast array of knowledge and wicked sense of humor. Also his kindness ... even if he totally destroyed someone else's argument on a chat forum that frequently devolved into debates about ... everything ... he was never mean-spirited in the process. And IRL, he has the sunniest disposition of anyone I've ever met.

So ... I just like the way his mind works, and admire TF out of him. Beats me as to how this is "RP" but, well ... whatever.

SmakeTalk · 2022-06-10T16:52:55+00:00

If your reaction to knowing how brutal the world is for women because of men is to embrace brutality.. well I hope no one ever gives you a real chance or becomes vulnerable with you because all you're gonna do is hurt them and blame them for it.

You sound like a real piece of shit.

GarbageZestyclose698 · 2022-06-10T15:37:46+00:00

Anyone who believes in redpill is just poor. Bc the biggest difference between redpill and the truth pill is how much money makes a difference. Redpill guys keep talking about getting money blah blah blah to be a HiGh VaLuE MaN. Really sounds like a bunch of poor guys ngl

EugeneCezanne · 2022-06-10T18:54:59+00:00

TRP is button mashing your way through 99 loses, getting 1 win, and thinking this is just how the game is played.

In the mean time, being "brutal" just gives more women bad experiences, making it more brutal for the next guy who comes along.

womandatory · 2022-06-11T03:44:02+00:00

I can see why more and more young women are choosing to stay single.

ZealousidealAd7191 · 2022-06-10T14:56:02+00:00

I generally agree with this…

Ex_Machina_1 · 2022-06-10T22:00:29+00:00

Red pill makes perfect sense for the fictionalized version of dating it supposedly prepares u 4. For real life, its just a useless.

2022-06-10T15:08:26+00:00

Except the only women who date red pill men are neurotic psychos lol

Substantial_Video560 · 2022-06-10T16:23:57+00:00

Go MGTOW. The most logical path for men nowadays.

Fine-Training-8196 · 2022-06-10T16:08:40+00:00

I wish women needed a BB. Then I might actually have a chance

delight-n-angers · 2022-06-10T20:54:35+00:00

Also I think that TRP hurts women

It does, and adopting a life mantra that actively seeks to harm and alienate women is a fucking stupid way to get women to want to fuck you.

Vohsrek · 2022-06-11T00:12:49+00:00

Bro sometimes I see posts like this here and I think, “does this guy just straight up hate women?” It’s crazy bc TRP is like streamlined dating where the final objective is being in a successful relationship - do they not realize that after that they have to at least enjoy their partners presence?

2022-06-10T18:54:41+00:00

There are lots of people who claims that they are redpilled but you never see any progression in most of them. Excluding these weaklings, redpill is the greatest idea or philosophy - whatever you call it- a man can follow in life. Redpill changed my life and changed the way I perceive the things around me.

What I see in this subreddit, majority of members hate redpilled people because of those weaklings. Don't mind those stupid ass people who spreads hate against woman in internet. They are just incels, not redpilled.

throwaway164_3 · 2022-06-10T20:10:08+00:00

This is the way

redditcleanslate · 2022-06-10T16:26:37+00:00

For 80% men and 20% women dating market is brutal

Where's not a single heirarchy of men and women you know. There's tons of different groups of people, tons of groups that I am part of, and each one has it's own 'top tier guys'.

is brutal

I find when I suck at something, it looks brutal. I find when I don't suck at something, it's not brutal anymore.

No-Priority7869 · 2022-06-10T16:08:56+00:00

TRP is valid as a set of coping mechanisms and communication strategies for failed middle-tier men who are stuck with a pool of low value, trashy, hypergamous women to date. The kind of guy that fucked up every relationship he’s had to the point that the only women who will look at him are alcoholics, junkies, bored-out strippers, and so on. If you’re going to date women like that you need to be armed with some defenses because they will be using every trick in the book on you.

Or you could just have standards for yourself and learn to be happy alone

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cxa3296 · 2022-06-11T02:02:31+00:00

Arranged marriages...but arranged by computer algorithms.

smallstarseeker · 2022-06-11T22:01:03+00:00

There’s literally 0 scientific studies backing up the 80:20 rule. Just because it’s repeated a lot, doesn’t make it factual.

Title	Red Pill is the way and it is brutal for a very good reason.
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