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BTW, there's a difference between liking kids and being proud that your semen met with an egg. People should wants kids because they want to be parents, not because they just think its cool that their genes are in another person

Both, I wanted to be a parent, but I wasn't going to be a parent to someone elses

And here is where it can matter, much of our personality is genetic. My son has many of my gifts and curses, I knew his issues before anyone else since they were my issues. This means I can help him with this sort of thing being I've studied mine to know more about them. Example my son can't spell for shit. I can't spell for shit. I have dysgraphia my son has it as well and while my mothers solution was "work harder on spelling" I knew that wasn't going to cut it. Likewise I am a natural speed reader as is he. Every rose has its thorns.

My daughter is a lot of ways like my sisters, only as an adult I know how to handle that shit and it brings us closer since I know how her moods work and what sets her off, better than my wife.

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Because you were unchaste and were part of hookup culture.

Every single dude here has made it clear. If she’s the virgin type or the type who only had partners in LTR many of us will absolutely wait. Many on here said they’ll even wait til marriage.

But you have to with your chastity earn that. If you’ve had constant hookups. Don’t be surprised men will treat y’all like constant hookups.

No man goes to the Middle East and expects them to sleep with them on the first date. He had to straight up change religions and marry them. They hold that standard because those are cultures where expectations are kept high and the average women doesn’t take part in the hookup culture and marriage ages are low.

But y’all in the US defend hookup Culture and hold it up as a virtue. Thus are treated like hookups.

Unless your the exception who never took part. And real respects real. Even the most fuckboi will respect that and wait. (But in that case she should be smart and find a person who also didn’t take part in the degeneracy and not lower her standards).

So the sword does cut both ways. Chaste folks should be with other chaste folks. The high n count folks should stick to the high n count folks.

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Since this isn’t the bullshit subreddits I like to keep it a buck. Yeah the men think y’all ladies are all lying. And that you’ve all had these huge n counts and all did the sorority girl sleeping with dudes without knowing them stuff.

Why do you think slut shaming was created by women? And it was made by women.

Historically was to separate the women who sleep around from those who didn’t to the men. Otherwise men would assume all are sleeping around.

By getting rid of slut shaming. And large feminist organization constantly talking about how hookup culture is empowering what did y’all think would happen?

It didn’t raise the status of the sluts to an acceptable level. It just lowered all women to the level of sluts.

There’s a podcast you might want to see. Talking about how the sexual revolution did until damage to women and men.

https://youtu.be/0K1ZIbFU6O4

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Think harder sis. They do value chaste women. They just don’t believe any of y’all are chaste. They assume y’all are all immodest unchaste women.

Even though that’s even from my own experience a small fraction of women who actually do that hoe shit.

Issue is in a room of 100 women if 2 women sleep around with dozens of men. And the 98 refuse to condemn but actually celebrate the 2. The men will assume all 100 are doing the same stuff as the 2.

Feminists say the same thing. Majority of men don’t rape women. But if there’s a rape culture on campus or a lot of theft or scams and the men don’t vehemently express their disagreement with the actions that rightfully scares the women into thinking that the percent of rapists or scammer or thieves.

It’s human nature. Which that video you didn’t have time to watch talks about.

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Reread my comments this time slowly.

Men want chaste women. Women want chaste men.

Neither wants the fuckboys or the hoes. Unless they themselves are that type.

However society has put both on a pedalstul. And so all women think men are fuck boys who sleep around and if they don’t give it up he’ll leave. and all men think women are all hoes who give it up easy.

The mistake is from women who give it up easy and proclaim it as freedom. And men who sleep with easy women and think all women are easy so when they do run into the one chaste girl they assume since all women he’s been with or the media shows are hoes she must be to.

Feeding into a negative feedback loop.

That’s why as a man I don’t sleep with women I’m not in LTR with. And I choose women who have only done the same. I don’t believe all women are hoes. I however will next any girl who defends hoe behavior.

Thus the only women around me are chaste and the only men I’m friends with are chaste.

But can you blame women for having bad views of men or men bad views of women when both sides seem to be fed constantly via media and social media that all men and women are hoes?

Break the feedback Lilly. Only go after Chaste men and only befriend chaste women.

Surround yourself with high value men and women. A community that has the expectations of LTR for sex or gtfo.

Break the cycle of sexual anger between the sexes.

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Go outside and touch grass. If you think the whole world is horrible, people are pure shit, everyone is evil and you will never be happy you are chronically online and get your believe system from online posts. Nobody is posting about their happy relationships, nobody is making posts about the nice chill life their are living. Those posts get downvoted into oblivion and they get told they are showing off or rubbing it it.

The world isn't as bad as rage bait online tries to tell us. A lot of people live happy, normal lifes. But they don't post daily on some subreddit. They don't make tiktoks about it. Or if they do, you won't see it because that stuff is not profitable for the algorithm. Stopp getting your negative feelings validated by strangers online. Life is as beautiful as you make it.

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“A dating app. A social mixer. Some social settings typically for singles or where people meet up, like a bar, a club, or a party.”

Dating apps are basically not going to lead to any sort of success whatsoever for 50-80% of men.

I'm sure she'll find some context to complain about a man approaching a woman at a bar, club, or a party as well. She's just saying that for now to not seem completely off the rails.

Feel free to approach unknown women platonically in many other situations. Romantically? Wait until you get to know them a little better.

She clearly is against this from happening. Unless, of course, you just happen to pass the looks threshold for this to be deemed acceptable behavior.

The fact that even other women can see the fault in things spewed by feminists like this is pretty telling.

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What do you think cold approach is? Everything that isn’t someone introducing you to someone else directly.

Thus your dad saying hi to your mom in the library? Cold approach.

All the romance movies about meeting people Coffee shops and airports? Cold approach.

Why am I even trynna explain you never actually lived as a dude. So you got no idea how dating as a dude is. Your like someone who’s always just gotten food at a fast food joint trynna describe how baking works lol.

And saying the equivalent of “why not not just not use flour and save money. All they care about is the bread anyway”.

Biggest issues with those spaces you recommended is there are spaces that

are dubious in consent due to alcohol.
You don’t actually know the person because they’re drunk and you’re drunk and so you can’t tell
And on dating apps to many options for women.

Coffee shops and normal places are better because you’re not prepared. And it has to be spontaneous and thus more real.

And if y’all didn’t have 200 matches on tinder everyday you’d appreciate them rather then viewing them as a waste of time.

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Any match on tinder is by definition a cold approach. And majority of relationships are met online these days. So cold approach is the most successful type.

What your describing is warm approach issue is with that you got other ladies saying “how dare he try to change a friendship to something else”.

Reality is for every one of you who says they want warm approaches there’s equal number of women who don’t and would rather he be upfront from the getgo ie a cold approach.

This is the fundamental issue with dating. Every women thinks she speaks for all completely ignoring the countless times she herself knows other women who say 180 of that. (Check that twitter post comments. There’s European women replying saying that’s bullshit I want him approaching in the coffee shop for example).

“Of course every women is different” is a usual response. But when one category makes up laws like the UK where they can’t even cold approach. And the other publicly shames men who did start out as friends publicly up by name on tiktok.

It becomes apparently that every dude is playing this constant game of Russian roulette.

This is why guys say if y’all turned into a dude and told to get numbers y’all would be in jail within the day. There’s no being on this planet that less understands human women. Then human women themselves.

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That’s literally impossible if your actually half decent at cold approaches.

Imagine you move to nyc. How long to make friends. Months. How long before they trust you and you know people to be introduced to others. Months. You’ll get your first date atleast 6 months after.

You know how long it would take me to get a date? Couple hours. And on that same day.

My rate of getting a number is basically 50% and rate of getting a date is like 12%. Ask out 100 women and I’d have 50 numbers and 12 dates and 38 other potential dates.

Again this is just quicker. Yeah you get more rejection but you’ll get rejection anyway.

Only reason I don’t get thrown in prison via harassment claims is that I am decent looking.

And places where women have told me they were surprised and happy I asked them out the most?

Coffee shops. Target. And airports.

Literally met women brag that a guy asked them Out at target. There’s a whole side of tiktok of women going to target to meet a man. Some jokingly also went to Lowe’s lol. And these aren’t elderly ladies. These are GenZ and mellenial chicks tired of dating apps.

And how many women have I met at bars night clubs and socials mixers and dating apps? A small amount. The game is rigged against men in those locations.

And the alcohol is stupid.

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Female privilege in dating isn't just isolated to helping women in dating. It completely changes and improves their lifestyle through dating up in finances.

It affects women in all income brackets. The "strong independent" woman who makes 150k dates the man making 300k. The poor blue collar woman making 30k dates the white collar man making 100k. The middle management "high achieving" woman making 500k dates the VP or executive making 1.5 million.

Dating up in income means they retire years before they normally would have. Because she had the privilege of being born a woman, the woman making 150k can date the man making 300k retiring 10 years earlier, living in a larger house and traveling more and to more luxurious places, than she would have dating the man making the same income as her.

It's a little comical to see "strong independent" women brag about being high achieving but only date up in income with men who make her income somewhat redundant anyway and mooch off of her spouse's much higher income.

It's hard not to see this privilege in regular finance subs. How does this teacher go on so many vacations and live in such a good neighborhood? Because she married a man working in finances in a corporation. How does this low level IC go to all these fancy restaurants? She's in a relationship with a manager in tech. The person who is quitting cold turkey from their job without another job lined up to "work on their mental health"? Of course it's a woman who has a husband making 250k paying for her living costs and funding her funemployment.

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Kids nowadays don't act like past generations, though.

In 1960, when boy met girl, they usually got married. They got some cash gifts and domestic items as wedding presents that helped them get established. Maybe they were smart and held off on baby-making for just a little while (the Pill wasn't a thing yet, but there were diaphrams and IUDs along with condoms) and the wife remained in the workforce while they saved up a stake for a house. (It may surprise you to learn that 42% of prime-age women worked outside the home in 1965.) The cohort born before 1945 also tended to stay married 'til death did them part. Dividing your assets in a divorce, and especially in multiple divorces, is hell on wealth acquisition (and don't I know that)?

Now let's look at kids nowadays. When boy meets girl, all too often girl gets pregnant, but the couple doesn't get married, if they're working-class, because that will screw up their eligibility for Medicaid, WIC, CHIP, and the rest of the alphabet-agency bennies. The trouble is, couples who don't marry don't tend to stay together until their children are grown, so a few years down the road, likely as not, you end up with a baby mama struggling to maintain a home for herself and her child, and a baby daddy struggling to pay child support. Quite often the baby momma doubles down on her mistake and has another kid with her NEXT boyfriend (who may already have a kid with his previous girlfriend). Quite often the baby daddies fall behind on their support payments and end up behind the 8-ball in the legal system.

It is very, very difficult to build any kind of wealth in this situation.

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Q4A: Do people catfish on dating sites as bad as they do swingers?

This is a very common thing in swinging, especially since everyone tends to be 35+.

There will be maybe a dozen or more photos and she looks good and he's not bad but then there is one just one which is "current" and you can tell because they are both 30lbs heavier than the rest.

This just happened 5 mintues ago which is why I decided to post, I was annoyed. I will give them credit at least ONE photo was current, and how do I know it was current since it wasn't dated? Because IME no one leaves their fat photos up. You lose 10 lbs? Time for new photos! You gain a shitton? Nah the old ones are representative!

When we first started swinging 20 years ago because a lot of people didn't have digital cameras so they would scan photos. This was a first give away if in 2010 your photos still had the "scanned" graininess. (For you kids a scanner was a lot like a photocopier only it would scan your photo and make it into a .jpg, for you kids a photocopier is what your parents used to use to copy each others notes in college when they missed a class for being too drunk the night before).

So how bad is this in the vanilla dating world currently, especially since all the "catfishing" shows have already been done. Are people any more honest than they were 10-15 years ago with this, or is it still a "oh shit" thing?

I'm guessing with shit like instagram and snap and such its less than it used to be, but thats just my gen x talking.

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This false. People are becoming less religious and less conservative globally. Growth in conservatism historically depended on people gaining wealth, social influence/power and wanting to protect it as the acquired more of it.

Less people are gaining wealth, social influence/power and thus have nothing to "conserve".

The only people that I see trending towards conservatism and religiosity are highly traumatized recovering addicts that use religion to supplement their addiction. Also because religious institutions are typically the only places that provide low or free services to addicts.

The sexual revolution was for women to have the choice of when and who they had sex with. It succeeded. Legal sexual protections for women were the result of the sexual revolution. If women want to have casual sex they can. If women don't want to have sex with their husbands, they don't have to. Men used whatever justification they wanted to rape women. "She had sex with other people, so I should get to rape her.", "She's my wife so I should get to rape her."

The sexual revolution was for women to have autonomy over their own sexuality. It gave women the option to have sex on their terms and it created legal protections for women against predatory men.

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I'm not interested. I don't respect the lack of "range" that people have regarding conversations with female sexuality. It's mostly reductive complaints about hypersexuality or perceived number of sexual partner, with loose conclusions based off of Abrahamic religious beliefs. Generally being "too much sex for women = bad, unnatural, debilitating, etc."

For example. People who address the negatives associated with women who engage in casual sex often reference a study that says a significant amount of women "regret" the experience. Yet the parameters and definition were never clarified. People run with this study but always fail to address, that "Regret" means "a feeling of sadness, repentance, or disappointment over something that has happened or been done."

A woman regretting a casual sex encounter can range from "being disappointed in the lack of sexual satisfaction from said encounter", to " having a low self image or fear of social perception from having said sexual encounter."

I've never seen or heard from anyone who had the range or depth to discuss female sexuality and sexual behavior in a way that interested me. And typically, especially women that criticize sexual exploration in women are always victims of sexual abuse who have the standard response of hypersexuality induced by trauma. This is a common behavior in male and female victims of sexual abuse or violence. Their hypersexual experiences are largely negative because they're engaging in the behavior as a form self harm, in an attempt to reclaim their sexual agency. While their perspectives and stories are important, it's not a general insight or explanation of female sexuality among the general human population.

Most people, even academically don't have an opinion or belief in female human sexuality outside of the concept of being responsive or in adherence to male sexuality and sexual desire for women. It's a cultural bias that isn't grounded in science or biology at all.

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I asked about a specific section of the video because it seemed like that while the other points were correct this one wasn’t. You responded that not only was that specific section wrong. Without watching a millisecond of the video proclaimed you could predict the arguments used. Explains arguments that have nothing to do with the video. Then said you don’t need the video. I said forget the small point that I myself pointed out seems off. The rest is valid and if your going to oppose it. Watch it rather then going on some feminist rant about a made up argument that’s not in the video.

Then you said no and why should you. Simple.

I don’t have to provide context to why you should. This is a debate subreddit. If you refuse to go to the sources you’ve forfeited your argument and conceded that your stance can’t stand the test of 1 YouTube video.

So either watch it and rebuttal the arguments in the video. Or just take the L on the points except the one about religiosity increase. Which isn’t a fundamental point but a random tidbit.

Any comments past this point either should refer to the videos context or I’ll assume the video was to OP and demolished your worldview.

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qcTSlvLtIjw

Very next in the queue on YT. Normal looking, taller, in-shape dude (I'd argue at least somewhat above average) — he seems to be enjoying himself.

i could say she’s an american women that got away from obese and lazy american men and got herself a fine dude from another continent. see how we can all make up bullshit stories?

Sure, you could. But the reality is nobody really wants to be with American woman. American women don't realize how overleveraged the market is for them already. Even obese single mothers have plenty of options nowadays in the US, that's how easy it is.

And sure, a foreign man may go ahead and sleep with an American woman (even an unattractive) one, but no foreign man is going out of his way to deliberately be with an American woman.

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No dude that actually has the potential in our dating market to do a decent job has to move to another continent just to pay some local to throw some ass in his direction.

This is what you're telling yourself as a female — you have absolutely zero perspective of what it is like as an average guy in America. We literally have women who are obese single mothers in our country who think they should never settle and are 10/10 queens. Almost everyone else is either taken or trying to 'manifest' and wait out for the perfect Prince Chad to come along — they're not trying to settle in the slightest, even if settling is actually someone who's in their relationship league.

You're also completely forming a strawman by thinking they're simply looking for sex. Many of these men are looking for wives.

Going abroad isn't even a recent phenomenon. Dudes who clearly had options (e.g. Roosh and the Tate brothers) still decided to move abroad, because Western women are busted and entitled. Sometimes it's not even about looks, it's about personality and femininity — American women are greatly lacking here.

Med school is a life goal. College is a life goal. Pulling no women and then moving across the globe is a goal, but people are allowed to laugh at the bitterness and delusions of these dudes. Case closed.

Sure you can laugh, but if they end up with a more attractive and better wife by doing as such, who's really the loser in that situation?

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Bruh I am mainly surrounded by average men that don’t sweat about obese single mothers because guess what? they get average women. So you’re just telling on yourself here.

A lot of women consider men who are 6' tall and make 100k to be 'average'. I don't trust a woman's intution on what is considered average, because time and time again, they've been shown to be completely miscalibrated (a large part of this being due to their social media consumption).

You go and beta bux for a wife and then air it out online for everyone to see while bitching about those women back home? And you’re surprised people will comment on your bullshit? The audacity lmao

Where did I bitch about anyone?

The Tate brothers are literally investigated for human trafficking and bragged they moved to Romania because of high corruption, I’d try and pick better examples next time.

They're currently being held without any evidence. A Chinese-esque "guilty until proven innocent" legal system.

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Literally the only thing the US is good for at this point is to make money. Has virtually zero culture or anything of substance whatsoever (if you want that in a first-world context, EU is much better), just mindless, vapid consumerism and non-stop work culture.

And lol @ all these people claiming people who go abroad to find women as beta. Most colonizers and war mongers were stereotypically seen as alpha, and they conquered and pillage lands and the women within them.

Even if they are beta (who cares if they get what they want), I really want someone to sit down and explain to me how and juxtapose how the dynamic with boomer era dating in the West is so much different than men going to South America or SEA e.g. to find a woman is?

News flash, the VAST majority of men are beta and not alpha.

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Soooo the guy got back to me last night and just said “i should be free tomorrow??” Which was not an answer but i kept it light saying that “that would be great or Tuesday” blah blah blah. “These are of my days off this week and wanted to mention” and in response he just told me when he is BUSY: Wednesday thru Friday. Then he was like “I’m working on something this week you’ll enjoy.” Idk if there was just a miscommunication or something but it very much seems like he is not interested now. Damn. And all i did was say when I’m free 🥴

I told him I’m cool with Mon or Tues again giving him the benefit of the doubt and nope. Nothing lol. I feel so dumb it’s actually insane. Have not heard from him. Also could take like two seconds to reply and say “that doesn’t work for me blah blah blah” and Nope. Lol

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There was a particularly horrifying thread on /r/TwoXChromosomes earlier in which a woman was complaining that her boyfriend told his children that she's pregnant. She hasn't decided whether she is going to abort the baby and is in fact leaning toward doing so, but now the kids are evidently excited about the new sibling, and she's pissed.

Of course, being TwoX, the crowd was unanimously in favor of not only the abortion, but breaking up with the dude who had the temerity to violate her privacy and blah blah blah.

I cannot imagine how it must feel to be a man waiting to find out whether the mother of your unborn child is going to opt to kill it.

Admittedly it was kind of weaksauce for the dude to enlist the help of his kids to put his finger on the scale, but ... what kind of man wouldn't try to save his child? (Yeah, most of them, probably.) Is this what we've come to, though? A man passively waiting for the mother to make up her mind?

Men. Be the kind of dude who can say, "No way are you going to abort my baby," and make it stick.

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It is an embryo. A "period" doesn't turn into a baby. A menstrual period is the natural shedding of the uterine lining when conception hasn't taken place. When it has taken place, disruption of the pregnancy is either a miscarriage or abortion, depending upon whether it was induced or not.

Shifting gears a bit, I notice that most of the crowd in that thread advocates aborting the baby, then telling everyone (the children in particular) that the baby was miscarried.

If there is nothing wrong with abortion, why not simply tell them the truth? That you decided their younger half-sibling was unwanted, and terminated him or her? It seems to me this would be a valuable opportunity to give the children a lesson in the importance of choice (at least as it applies to the mother, heh) which is a good thing, amirite? Why not be honest?

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There is little way for us to know, in the same way there’s little way for us to know her n-count or if she’s cheated in the past.

The issues start after we find out. We’re not obsessing over it all the time, it’s more like flipping a switch.

You date a women for a week, bring her home and cook her a home made meal, things start getting heated but she stops and says she’s not ready. It really is no biggie, you stop and wait for when she is ready (I.E a month later). You’re not thinking or obsessing over anything. You just assume she’s simply not the type of person to sleep so early in a relationship.

But later on, you find out she actually used to sleep with random drunk men from clubs during nights out.

So you got to ask the question, why?, you’re suppose to be her boyfriend yet she’s being very hesitant and making you wait for sex, while previously sleeping with random drunk men.

That’s when the insecurities start, as you start to question if she even wants to sleep with you, if she’s even attracted to you or just settling for you out of convenience/finance/boyfriend experience, etc.

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This question always gets asked, and my answer is simple: I don’t care what my partner did with an ex before me. It’s not something that enters my mind.

The only question that matters to me is: does our relationship and sex life work for me? Am I happy with what he brings to this relationship, now, in the present? If yes, that’s the only thing that matters. If no, than that would be true regardless of what he did in the past.

So, a guy tells me he doesn’t like giving oral sex. I’m actually okay with that — like I like oral, but I can be very satisfied without. If I find out later he used to perform oral sex for his ex, then my first and only thought is “ah, guess that’s how he learned he doesn’t like it, cool.” And I’m still happy in the relationship because i was in the first place.

But if a guy wasn’t being present for my emotional needs, I wouldn’t be happy in the relationship and wouldn’t stay in it. Doesn’t matter what he did with his exes. Don’t stay in relationships you don’t like.

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Why wait a couple months and spend tons of emotional labor for sex that was given away for free?

Like if her rule was always a couples months. Then she’s like a luxury that has to be earned.

But if she fucked a dude on the first night of knowing him. Then she’s cheap and your getting jinxed if you paid for more then the basics of emotional labor.

Like it or not if you have 10 houses in a neighborhood. And you sell one of those for cheap. That lowers the value of all the houses.

That’s the same with sex. If you cheapen yourself. Don’t get mad others are trynna get a bargain.

“But your viewing is like products”. No like investments. All relationships are investments. If a man came to me for business deal and he was known to not ask for a high precent share in ventures. Then tried to ask me for a high precent share? I’d say his previous actions diminished his negotiation power.

Same here. But unlike other dudes I have high enough standard that if you ever had hookups I’ll never invest.

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The ones who don’t get the bargain shouldn’t be mad. They should move onto another investment. It’s a mistake of those noobies in any market. If I got to a business and I don’t like the deal i leave the negotiation.

I don’t try to emotional push the clients. Some rookies however do and that usually ruins their standing in the firm.

The mistake isn’t getting annoyed of the shitty deal but not understanding that one should always have vetted properly before hand. And having the abundance mindset to leave.

Also some of these men aren’t thinking of sex. But imagine going after a man and wanting him. Only to find out he was a pimp. You would feel cheated. Same as if the man finds out his crush is a free lady of the night. They might suck it up and think maybe atleast I can get laid for the energy invested. But that’s just cheapening the men.but they’re rookie and don’t know the basics.

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I thing I noticed about the manosphere and radfems: They can't grasp the concept of individuality.

Specifically, not grasping the concepts of personalities, individual actions, and personal responsibility. Their minds want to collectivize people in the broad sense, typically by gender.

For example:

Amber Heard. Radfems are upset that Heard was found to be an awful lying psycho bitch because they're called all women will be seen as awful psychos who lie about being raped. I don't think they can grasp the concept of that people can hate Amber Heard as an individual while still believing most women are decent people who wouldn't lie about being raped. Afterall, feminists did start the whole "Believe All Women" chant, not understanding the concept of a trial and innocent until proven guilty.

As for the manosphere: First one, whenever a woman criticizes a certain group of men, the manophere are typically quick to take offense and calls her a man-hater. Second, when they use the "you don't know what it's like to be a man" argument and ignore/disguard statements from men who disagree with them. I realize its because they can't fathom in their heads that men are people, not a hivemind. Sure, they might make a couple of distinctions but its more to other people they don't want to be associated with (criminals, assholes, Chad, etc) instead of actually respecting that men can be individuals beyond their gender.

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I've yet to have anyone here actually convince me why I should find toxic people attractive or view them as something to look up to or see them as something worthy of respect. Red Pill men haven't convinced me that I really just need a narcissistic control freak with more baggage than LAX as a partner, FDS hasn't convinced me of that either (but with 20% more misandry than TRP) and both have utterly failed to convince me that these people should be desirable to me. Both have also failed to explain why treating a partner like shit is a great way to go because I treat people I love and care about with respect, I don't like seeing them hurt or even moderately upset, I also don't know if anyone here can actually relate to these feelings so that may have been unnecessary to say. Recognizing toxic people, or more toxic traits you are unaware of, now that's been a hell of a wild ride of learning, and I've learned a lot that will help me in the long run and not just for romantic relationships.

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Yeah but Russia... ehh this might get me banned or in trouble here, but they're not exactly bastions of progressiveness, eh? Think of their treatment of gays, for example. Or trans people, or women in general for that matter.

As that other commenter just reminded me - I completely forgot about the USA. USA is also the only first world country where male on male prison rape is a big thing. I've been to jail in my own country before, and it just doesn't happen here. Inside for 9 months and didn't hear of it once.

So I don't know - I can't speak for the USA. Maybe there's something genetic or cultural going on engenders a predisposition to rape.

I'm not sure what you mean by GI Bill, but we had soldiers engage in rape during the Afghan/Iraq wars too. I went to school with a lot of boys who ended up joining the army and fighting in the Middle East - all psychopaths, down to a man. If they weren't killing Iraqis, they'd have found a way to kill over here too.

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How would this work? Everybody is in denial about what their league actually is.

A woman who is a 5 thinks men who are a 5 are disgusting and wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole. They find 80% of men to be "below average".

I saw a clip on YT the other day where a guy was interviewing a bunch of women about this. They asked him how he would rate himself, he said he gave himself an 8. They said he was overrating himself and he was a 4 or a 5 tops.

The guy then revealed he was a literal super model who had done shoots with Vogue, Gucci and a host of other big brands. He even showed them his magazine covers to prove it.

The women said big deal they could all be models tomorrow if they wanted to. All of these women were extremely average. Maybe 5s depending on your tastes.

People's views are skewed so badly.

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That wasn’t the main talking point.

Answer the question, did she say this, yes or no?

Since women want equality so bad we should make fun of male and female losers.

I'm not gonna make fun of someone who ends up in a couple bad relationships, shit happens. But if you keep dating men or women you already know are gonna be toxic or put hands on you or cheat on your blah blah then you're either in need of medical help (sympathetic towards those folks) or you're an idiot that likes drama at best or an extreme masochist at worst. Or you just like the attention people give victims and you want in on that like some sort of parasite.

There’s a massive misconception that only men can be losers and that’s far from the truth.

Most people know both genders can be losers and have more than their fair share of losers, this isn't a new concept.

Guys struggle with sex. Women struggle with retaining men. Any gender can be a loser. Hope she keeps the same energy

She does so far, if a woman dates a walking red flag knowing he's a red flag but then wants to ask why the leopard ate her face, she's getting laughed at like she's at Comedy Central roast.

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And yes, I've had men in this very sub and in real life argue with me that hook ups at parties are very good ideas.

I agree with you, and you can ignore those dumbies.

If she says "let me out here" and you do. And then later you get told "you just dumped her on the road!!" Yes, I find that infantilising and unfair.

I don't agree here. If there is a belligerent drunk person in your vehicle, the right and fair thing to do is actually to call police or an ambulance. You don't just let them out and leave them to presumably walk into traffic. If she hadn't died, I'd agree with you, but it sounds like she was so drunk she walked into traffic and died. There's no way they thought she was safe to walk- not because she was an infant, but because she was impaired. Same for a man and a woman- you gotta watch over someone who is THAT out of it.

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A life is gone. That sucks very very much. If I had my power, I'd bring her back and wipe the slate clean on that event even happening.

You just have to understand that drunk women choose to have sex all of the time. As in, are in the mood to have sex. That's not an uncommon thing at all. This case feels weird to me because it's not even that she herself is claiming she was assaulted. That would change it all for me. It's that after it's all said and done, a third party is deciding that because of her BAC and the fact that sex was had, she must have been assaulted. If these same guys were the reason she was dead, I wouldn't even be arguing this at all either. It just makes me wary of saying that these guys must have done this certain activity when all we know for sure is that sex was had and then she was dead unrelated to them later with a super high BAC. If we had some video footage or something that would be different. Like of her unable to walk out of the bar.

If she herself woke up and said Omg I was assaulted last night. Ok I believe it and would want it investigated. This just seems shitty. And makes me even more wary when it comes to very very casual sex.

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I'm significantly older than Gen Z, but I do have lots of younger siblings and cousins. And I cannot tell you the amount of Big Brain ideas about how getting a girl liquored up is a great way to get her into bed!!! 😬🙄 And I'm just out here shouting into the void about this situation before this case even occured. Because as a grown adult, I absolutely see this as the bare minimum. But this kind of stuff happens every single day. And it's scary AF. And plenty of these kids see nothing wrong with it because of the validation seeking that we see in this very sub of in particular men (some lesbians too) who believe that they are somehow "more" if they're able to get a girl to have sex with them quickly. That they must have some amazing sexual prowess because of it.

So yes, as an adult I get what you're saying. But plenty of people the same age as the ones in this case think that liquor and alcohol in general is just part of the hook up game and that everyone is on board.

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Because this is the one pages that actually calls that stuff out,

Fact or just confirmation bias because people here are more likely to agree with things you agree with?

what do you think the sentiment about men is on FDS, TwoX, and any other women run pages lol.

PurplePillDebate is enough of a flaming shitshow for me that I don't need to join to female version of sub designated for endless complaining. You hear one pack of whiners you've heard em' all.

Do you guys have any examples of men saying they aren't the majority of rapists and murders?

My purpose for being here isn't to accumulate material on which gender has more brownie points, that's for the regulars and the people that have made thiss place their entire reason for existing.

Women really get hurt when men lists the positives

Of what?

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I think there is some generational dependency perhaps, but I really don't think things will get any better for millennials or Gen Z (and future generations beyond them).

Most people under 40 today will likely never get to benefit off of any of the SS dollars we're paying boatloads for to keep the boomers afloat currently due to budget cuts and increased restrictions. As time goes on, getting bare essentials has only gotten more difficult. AI is likely going to automate a lot of people out of work, and for fields that don't get fully automated, they will get saturated and down-sized, depreciating salaries/wages associated with said industries.

I really don't see how any semi-rational or intelligent person could even fathom having kids nowadays, unless they are of course incredibly wealthy, but who knows with the massive hyperinflation we're experiencing if the dollar will even have anywhere near its current value in a decade or so.

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I don't think you get it. To make a good income, especially nowadays, is far more competitive and scarce. People could rent their own studios for a few hundred bucks in the 90s and get by on minimum wage jobs, that's simply not even remotely feasible nowadays. You could literally major in the stupidest bullshit, and it would be a ticket to upper management and the upper middle class, whereas now we have a tremendous issue with progressive credentialism and HR requiring master's degrees for entry level positions.

I think my central argument is this, and this frequently goes over the heads of boomers, especially bald ones like /u/purplish_possum, things are far more competitive than they've ever been, and as you guys got it on easy mode (very little competition or saturation in labor markets, not super specialized or technical skill sets , far less expectations of college participations [and college participation itself, not to mention the overall greater competitiveness of it all — most of the class of 2005 at my alma mater wouldn't have made the start class of 2015]) — we will be constantly in a state of living check to check and have most of our earnings being drained by rent, groceries, and utilities alone. People on this subreddit love to act as if a collapse, or more realistically — a deep decline — isn't possible, but they conveniently ignore how the standard of living and socioeconomic mobility have both been getting worse over the last 3-5 decades.

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few hundred bucks in the 90s

Like when I did, it was 1100k a month for a studio apartment. I don't think you get it, LIFE IS HARD, there was no easy street ever. It wasn't a better time but you think it was because you only see my generation for example after they figured it out. You know what minimum wage was when I was working in the 90s? 6 bucks an hour. I worked as a waiter while in school, that means I got 3 an hour plus tips. That worked out to abougt 8.30 an hour, my first real educated job in the late 90's I felt like a stud with, I got $20 an hour but it was only a contract job. I was, as it turns out, literally only one of a handful of people qualified in both disciplines needed on the fucking planet and i got $20 an hour because even then it wasn't critical to the company that contracted me. I probably should have asked for more but hey I was in my 20's and that seemed like a lot of money.

Where I really lucked out was my master degree had a stipend I got 8k a year to go to school! It was a very rare program most had to pay to go for the same degree.

very little competition or saturation in labor markets

Dude your just wrong, so very wrong. The only easy jobs were IT when I was that age, and those guys all asked me about how they can go back to school because that dried up 10 years ago. Those guys got fucked.

There were 6 spots and 600 applications for my specialty and most of those applying were qualified as it was a waste of time to think of it unless you were at least close.

You are simply whining because life is fucking hard. You sound like you have the ability, now find the will.

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I'm an atheist, and I also don't believe in souls or an afterlife. I think that when you die, your bioelectricity disappates, body shuts down, and you hopefully become plant fertilizer.

In talking with theists who believe in things like heaven/afterlife, they frequently talk about how this life we're currently living is so horrible, so depressing, so filled with suffering and pain and loss that if they suddenly found out their god and/or afterlife didn't exist, they would stop caring about everything.

Which I don't think is true. I think they say they'd become hard-core nihilists, but they wouldn't actually. Just like the ones who claim that their belief in god and eternal judgment is the "only thing" stopping them from raping and killing. I don't believe that either. People tend to be better than their religion gives them credit for.

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Back again 👍🏻

After much thinking I might plan on sending a followup text (and after multiple friends told me I am overthinking) to the guy from last week. Now its been 24 hours of silence & I think I know my answer but going to just say something like “Hey I don’t have work tonight if you’re free, totally last minute tho, so no worries if not” or something like that.

So far my MOM has told me to move on. My sister and two friends have told me to reach out to him once more. And my other friend said to sit on it for a few days until or if he decides to reach out. I’ve done this so many countless times before I know the answer and its not good. Also doesn’t help my good guy friend and I got into a fight today and he called me a name out of the blue. Aaaand I am trying to make new friends in the city and nothing is clicking. I’m exhausted

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It would have to be small amounts for the most part, not real profit straight to each woman.

So PayPal and OnlyFans don’t have bills to pay? Are they operating as non-profit organizations?

PayPal probably makes more on overall fees than the top earner.

PayPal is literally a public company.

These women put themselves online for a reason. I don't pretend to understand it at all, but it usually isn't massove fame and fortune, first of all. I'm not infantilizing anyone, so you can drop that.

Maybe not fame, but not fortune either? Wow.

I don't seem to have the strong emotions about it that you do. Many prostitutes do that shit for a living, most "e-thots" as you call them absolutely do not. I don't pity the simps, and I don't understand whyor how you'd pity them as well as hate them.

I hate them for the fact that they’re funding/incentivizing this degenerative concept to begin with. I don’t hate them in the sense that I literally wish death upon them.

Why wouldn’t I pity someone who’s sending money to another person for a parasocial relationship? Should I be indifferent? Or perhaps cheer them on? I’m sure you’re in the latter two; more money for the independent bossbabes.

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Every single study about crime ever since crime was tracked has shown a definitive correlation between single motherhood and crime rates in the child. and yes fathers need to be also held responsible for being deadbeats.

63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average. 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.

85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)

80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)

71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)

85% of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Fulton Co. Georgia, Texas Dept. of Correction)

80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes. [Criminal Justice & Behaviour, Vol 14, pp. 403-26, 1978]

71% of pregnant teenagers lack a father. [U.S. Department of Health and Human Services press release, Friday, March 26, 1999]

63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. [US D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census]

85% of children who exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes. [Center for Disease Control]

90% of adolescent repeat arsonists live with only their mother. [Wray Herbert, “Dousing the Kindlers,” Psychology Today, January, 1985, p. 28]

71% of high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. [National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools]

75% of adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes. [Rainbows f for all God’s Children]

70% of juveniles in state operated institutions have no father. [US Department of Justice, Special Report, Sept. 1988]

85% of youths in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. [Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Department of Corrections, 1992]

Fatherless boys and girls are: twice as likely to drop out of high school; twice as likely to end up in jail; four times more likely to need help for emotional or behavioral problems. [US D.H.H.S. news release, March 26, 1999]

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Not a single man here (with any iq above room temp) has ever challenged men when I said men are the issue when it comes to these things.

Every single comment I’ve ever made calling out men. And saying dudes are the issue with being simps and criminals and need to learn basic discipline has not only been upvoted on here but never ever had a dude ever come at me for saying otherwise.

The mistake with y’all feminists is that I’m willing to see the mistakes on the men’s side and keep it 100. But you can’t see the smaller but not inconsequential mistakes on y’all side.

Even on this single mother thing I keep it a bucks and make it clear that if all the men in the country decided to step up tomorrow the issue would be corrected in a day. Some dudes who respond with the courts are stupid also because most judges are men. We decide family law unilaterally.

It’s men’s mistakes that we let this issue get this bad. And I’ll be the first for your to hear that from.

And guess what? Not a single dude on here will have any rebuttal.

That doesn’t mean women haven’t had a part in this mess. But I refuse to not acknowledge the clusterfuck having weak simp men who don’t have discipline causes.

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It annoys me that I have nearly the same arguments that I've been advocating for for months on PPD now.... thankfully this isn't something unknown of men, it's just that not a lot of people voice it, or voice it well at all. Which he hasn't anyway.

The point is women think men are useless because:

Men's labor is virtualized, women do not need to deal with men directly to get the fruit of their labor, but men can't do anything women have to provide to society without dealing with a woman. You can buy with money everything men have to produce from a virtualized interface or from a (female) cashier, women can even go to sperm bank discuss with (female) nurses or whatever about it. Prostitution and surogate mothers are illegal or highly regulated in most places. The people who take care of the kids and elders are women. Every female job is very real and you get a sense of why women are important. But not men. It's a fallacy.
Women think that working and paying taxes is all they need to do to contribute to society when it's just half of it

But the biggest issue is this: Normally, men wouldn't provide to a society that doesn't provide enough sexual and marital opportunities. So women back in the time had to learn to be good deals to men to attract the good productive and cooperative men. But now, men cannot really just nope the fuck out to the next country to find better opportunities. Things are crystalized and going off the grid is harder. So society took advantage of that and also advantage of men's attraction for virtualization and automatism to heavily reduce men's value and virtualize it.

And people don't believe it? Even though I give the statistics of full gender ratio of all types of jobs, people still behave like "there are women in construction sites" like 1 in 100 is going to change any of that?

Somewhere, society still counter balances all of that, for instance thanks to immigration that provides with willing women who see value in men, but if it fails to balance, women will just not like how it readjusts.

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Title	Daily Community Chat Megathread
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Date	January 23, 2023 10:00 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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