The Dating Issues Men Face Will Be The Same Issues The Women On Here's Future Son's Will Face.

Logical_Breadfruit49 · 2025-09-26T02:32:59+00:00

Jokes on you my guy, the women on here are anti-natalists and won't be having children lol.

wesborland1234 · 2025-09-26T01:06:53+00:00

I don’t think it’s true to say that most women don’t have sympathy for the problems that men face.

They do, it’s just… what do you want them to do about it?

Just like I have sympathy for the issues that women face. But I’m one person, I’m not gonna change the world, best I can do is not assault anyone and try not to be a dick.

AreOut · 2025-09-26T11:38:35+00:00

Even women that have sympathy are afraid to say it because it is currently not in trend. 90% of women follow trends so they post mostly about Palestine, cats, poor dogs that noone wants to adopt etc.

catdog8020 · 2025-09-26T05:17:50+00:00

The women your talking about probably don’t want children. lol 😂

Livid-Log7463 · 2025-09-26T04:10:46+00:00

Women’s only response to this will be to double down and attempt to exclude even more men in attempts to try to cause their potential sons to be those same desirable men that they were exclusively open to.

ComfortableJeans · 2025-09-26T00:44:26+00:00

This is just going to happen, regardless of who cares about what.

We're moving more and more into lower and lower rates of socialization, less socialization means less opportunity and less chance to develop social skills, which will create a feedback loop of lower and lower socialization, and so on, and so forth.

We can also see this in women post covid era. Post-COVID, the percentage of single women reporting weekly sex declined from 49.2% to 40.5%, and those with at least one partner in the past year fell from 58.7% to 50.8%.

Even at my age, 31, or 32, I can't recall, most everyone I know has the same complaints. That life is just work, home, sleep, work, home, sleep. They basically have no friends, never do anything, or see anyone.

People will make the argument that other should just be social, as though it's not incredibly difficult for some people, either due to poor time, poor ability, fear, some disorder or any of the other issues that can trip a person up.

Just because a solution is easy in practice, does not mean that it's easily applied by humans.

For instance, weight loss is maybe the most simple problem a person can solve, in theory. Simply consume less. You don't even need to exercise. You can just sit there, on your phone and do nothing. But even with a problem as simple as that, only a small percentage of people will be able to manage that, without ballooning back up within a few years.

Just be social is a lot harder than people give it credit for.

Then we have the genetic dead ends. Autistic men being way more likely to end up as adult virgins and so on.

42% of Autistic people had never had a partner as opposed to 21% of neurotypical, and 60% had no form of sexual experience as opposed to 18% of neurotypicals:

https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Artic ... 6-t001.jpg

The fertility rate for Autistic men is about 25% of that of neurotypical men:

https://kclpure.kcl.ac.uk/portal/files/ ... 13_322.pdf

(Obviously, just focus on the differences between healthy control neurotypicals and autism spectrum disorder, don't worry about Schizophrenia, Bipolar Disorder, Depression, Anorexia Nervosa, Substance Abuse... Unless that's something you're also interested in.)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5789215/

And yeah, this does hit men harder.

Of the individuals with autism spectrum disorder, significantly more women (n=18; 46.2%) than men (n=9; 16.1%) were currently in a relationship (P<0.01). Comparing the autism spectrum disorder individuals with the healthy controls, we observed that significantly more healthy control women (n=31; 79.5% ; P>0.01) and more healthy control men (n=47; 82.4% ; (P>0.01) than individuals with autism spectrum disorder were currently in a relationship.

This one is iffy, because they're surveying parents of autistic, and they're adolescents, but it does show that only 1.5% of them had sexual experience, and only 7.7% were in a relationship despite 69.2% of them wanting these things:

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _Disorders

But honestly, none of it really matters in the face of the cold reality, that no one really cares. If you're one of the people who gets left behind, and can't catch up, people will forget about you. And if you kick up too much of fuss about it, they're demonize you.

It's not just women, men don't care about the forgotten men either. Well, not until it effects them, or someone they love, anyway.

As sad as it is, my advice to people is always that they shouldn't expect others to care in any meaningful sense. You're on your own. You perform, or you're disregarded.

If you're disregarded, you need to run twice as fast as everyone just to catch up. And for people who couldn't even keep up, it simply means that they're going to fall further and further into the horizon.

And all that being said, I can't in good conscious ask those who've fallen behind to really care for the people who disregarded them. Not that it really matters, as for that to matter, you have to matter yourself, in the first place.

Pathosgrim · 2025-09-26T06:10:21+00:00

The next generation of men will be even angrier. Imagine the results of being gaslighted from today's social climate

UnpredictableDemise8 · 2025-09-26T10:17:29+00:00

That hit a nerve. But yeah it's right. Ladies you don't want so many ugly men running around? Make sure your ugly female friends never reproduce. Simple as that.

BobtheArcher2018 · 2025-09-26T01:48:21+00:00

If you say stuff like this, but also don't discuss some sort of realistic path for women to find more men attractive (or more men to be more attractive), then women just hear it as: "So you want women to fuck guys who make their skin crawl for the common good. Sorry. We been there. Done that. Got thousands of years of T-Shirts. FUCK. RIGHT. OFF."

Tamasachan · 2025-09-26T00:45:00+00:00

Assuming that the next generation will face the exact same issues of the last generation is pretty wild. Hell, I'm only 30 and I already don't really relate with the youngins that much.

cb8585b · 2025-09-26T04:05:36+00:00

The problem with these posts is the empathy, sympathy and compassion you are requesting from women is not what you really mean and what you’re seeking. You call it platitudes and men feel like it’s platitudes. Women collectively saying “that sounds tough for you, and I acknowledge the difficulties you face” is not useful to you. If we stop dancing around the topic; the question is how can we get more women to date more men even if they don’t want to. You offer no solutions you just imply it’s something women have to start doing some way some how.

To answer the question on if it was my son I just would like to flip it around to what if I had a daughter; would I encourage/force her to date (using your examples) the neighbours kid who has early male pattern baldness, some myriad of disabilities, and whatever else makes it difficult for him to date, If she didn’t want to? No i wouldn’t.

I think what I teach my kids is resilience to all difficulties in life they may face, in education, finances, dating, work. No one’s life is pre determined and I’d just be there to support in navigating whatever life throws at them.

sablesalsa · 2025-09-26T01:02:30+00:00

How can not being well endowed kill a guy's dating life before it starts? Women don't know your dick size until they're having sex with you.

Edit: Just want to add that I have been downvoted a majority of the times I've shown sympathy here. I'm going to continue to do so when I'm able, but some people here turn their issues outward and it's extremely off-putting. I don't blame anyone for not being overly friendly, especially with the amount of outright misogynistic posts. (Yes, I know it happens to men, too, but that doesn't excuse nasty behavior either way. This sub is also biased toward misogyny from what I have seen.)

You guys are strangers; I have boundaries with people on reddit that I don't have in real life. I want any of my future sons to have fulfilling lives with the independence and problem-solving skills to overcome whatever challenges they face. Rest assured they'll be loved.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2025-09-26T01:04:52+00:00

First off, it’s more like 25 percent of men not getting any in a year (and that’s up from the last report)

https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-sex-recession-the-share-of-americans-having-regular-sex-keeps-dropping

And 2nd: the report listed out what are the causes for a lot of the struggles

“the decline in the formation of romantic relationships and decreasing alcohol consumption are the most important [causes of falling young adult sex], but declining earnings and increasing use of computer games also play important roles.”

Decent-Freedom-9240 · 2025-09-26T01:20:59+00:00

But 60% of Men ages 18-29 haven't had sex in an entire year.

What are you talking about?

Starcraft_III · 2025-09-26T15:28:08+00:00

Sisterhood > sons, women feel that selection is actually for the best, even if their own child is selected against

RealityCold4693 · 2025-09-26T16:37:16+00:00

Most women are women first lmao

Outside_Memory5703 · 2025-09-26T01:33:59+00:00

60% of men reported being single

That’s not the sexlessness rate

I’d say that I can give my son all the tools and help possible, but in the end, it’s his life

Just like my life is my life

7186997326 · 2025-09-26T04:44:54+00:00

I mean if you take everything you say as fact, logically, wouldn't it make sense for women to be even more picky? If height, looks and dick size are as important as you say they are, why should women ever give short, ugly small guys a chance?

Upstairs-Instance565 · 2025-09-26T04:11:49+00:00

Love seeing all the women coping in the comment section lol.

blebbyroo · 2025-09-26T01:06:56+00:00

I think men here significantly overestimate how common the problems here are - we’ve had many threads on how the average man isn’t actually struggling but that below average men are and that a lot of men here are admittedly below average.

Do a few average men struggle? Sure but if they are truly average then chances are things will work out eventually.

626ajj · 2025-09-26T00:41:18+00:00

Regardless of if something affects a specific person in their life (many, not every) women will never have empathy for men, in the same way they expect men to have empathy for women. It simply goes against the core belief they have that men are privileged, to acknowledge and empathize that men have problems too. Hence why you see so many women actively minimizing any problems men face.

Your argument is not wrong that these woman may get sad if someone they know is sad because they can’t get a date. But they aren’t going to empathize with men as a whole because of that. They simply don’t have that capability. Simply put there is a reason why the “think of your mom, daughter, wife, etc” is heard significantly more then dad, son, husband. Many women straight up do not give a fuck as their core personality and you can’t fix them. So long as they believe as women they are the oppressed group and their lives are so difficult, they will dismiss any complaints from (what they consider) the privileged group.

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zgtlunatic · 2025-09-26T01:38:00+00:00

Obviously no one would want a son born with a birth defect or Autism or Down Syndrome.

I think you need to touch on how these things all intersect with one-another (assuming you didn't know this already). For the autism part, you can start by looking at this

ThatBitchA · 2025-09-26T00:33:47+00:00

The magical formula is SOCIALIZE.

Live a life that isn't solely online.

Eta - that 60% was at a specific time. Guarantee if you asked those same exact men who participated the first time, the number would drop significantly. And then what will y'all cling to.

DenverKim · 2025-09-26T01:05:02+00:00

I don’t think it’s going to be the same problem it is today because I think that our future sons will not grow up feeling like they are entitled to a woman and that life has no meaning if they don’t get laid. The men who possess this attitude about life are not the men who are going to be raising the next generation of children… The next generation of parents will hopefully learn from past mistakes and raise their children to not become doom scrolling dopamine addicts with no social skills, who believe that having to put actual effort into building a good life is a reason to quit just because someone else out there might have had it easier than them, so life isn’t fair.

In fact, I think the far scarier thought should be for the men in these groups to think about the fact that one day, their daughters might be dating the same types of men they’re currently commiserating with on Reddit… men who feel like they are entitled to a woman, men who rate women on a scale based on their youth and beauty alone and treat dating and love as though it were a math formula or part of a twisted stock market, men who don’t view women as human beings, but objects to be manipulated and ultimately possessed, etc.

All that said, I am very worried about the future when it comes to our boys and young men… But honestly, this just makes me worry more for the girls and young women because they are the ones who will ultimately face the real consequences when these boys/men lose their minds.

Irexandl · 2025-09-26T00:49:25+00:00

Just imagine a dystopia where women do abortions of males in order to prevent their possible dating issues.

BirdLawOnly · 2025-09-26T04:41:09+00:00

I don't understand why not having sex in a year is a problem.

AchingAmy · 2025-09-26T00:35:10+00:00

If I were to ever have a son(I don't want kids) then I'd teach him how to be happy single. A big problem is that a lot of men feel like they need a woman to be happy so I think it'd be best to prepare men to be happy single and sex-free.

fiftypoundpuppy · 2025-09-26T00:40:17+00:00

Being childfree is the magical solution. You're welcome

Also do you have any actual evidence that the reason that "60%" exists is because they're short balding autists?

SexCrispies · 2025-09-26T08:56:02+00:00

Why do you limit this to women? You think there are no men here who will have or do have sons?

But 60% of Men ages 18-29 haven't had sex in an entire year.

One thing i will teach my son if he has trouble dating, is to not listen to charlatans on reddit or other social media when they try to give statistics as evidence of some issue. You just pulled that stat out of your ass to have an impact. I will teach my son to go look for the data himself and find out:

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it's only about 1/5th of young guys who didn't have sex in the past 12 months (data from 2022 and 2024 surveys). Considering, that the very young part of that age bracket is very normally still virgins at 18 or 19, this puts the percentage of men of usually sex having age who don't have sex at even below 20%. There is no data on if those men would have wanted to have sex in that timeframe or if it was possible for reasons other than "dating struggles".

I would show my son statistics about how very short men also have an average of ~10 sex partners in a lifetime, just 2 less than the rest of the height spectrum. So nothing to be really concernd with. And for an autist son, i would buy him a miniature train landscape to sink time into.

So I would really want to know what the magical formula will be to avoid such a fate from befalling these women's future son's.

Looking for formulas to solve human interactions is a typical case of "should maybe rather look into miniature trains"

ResponsibilityAny217 · 2025-09-26T02:07:37+00:00

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xxTheMagicBulleT · 2025-09-26T20:21:50+00:00

Most women are women first they dont worry about who there son might be fucking later on. Most women are much more look at the now only. Whats easy to see how they look at things how they vote. How they push for defending things and the like.

That in average most women don't really worry past the short term prospects. Not at the long term effects.

Cause the basic action meets reaction is very foreign to a lot of women on average.

Especially if you look at the "equality" push. And how upset a lot of women are when they find out what it really means in practice and they are quite upset. And a endless amount of easy to point out different examples.

Why im quite sure most woman are not worried how they change the rules and the relationship landscape effects there future child or child they have at all. Cause it requires looking past your own feelings and have a lot of logic and looking at action and reaction on a logical basis what requires self reflection.

What sadly you see very little off. Its often complaining about things without really creating plans and solutions. To fix a problem. Yelling and complaining about a problem and pushing and pointing and yelling your feelings at something does not change or benefit or create solutions. What often is the problem.

And why many things don't work cause you change your something without looking at the clear after effects. Like women been saying for year they hate to be asked out. Ok sure. But now understand that it means there is gonna be no attention or agency from the men to pursue women on average.

Sadly short sightedness. Is a common problem. Also with the push to defund the police and defund the fire fighters. We all saw how that went at california.

And on and on you can go to say examples. Why I'm pretty sure most average women don't even care how it would effect even the people they care about. Let stand there child that is not even in the world yet. That forth sight is just not in most womens nature.

Emotional-Self-8387 · 2025-09-26T21:48:06+00:00

Man you think most of the women here are having kids? They’re pretty self-centered, they’ve said so themselves

SwimmingTheme3736 · 2025-09-26T03:23:49+00:00

I do have sympathy to me s struggles, but we can’t force women to date men.

Luckily my adult sons are all doing very well dating, especially the autistic one.

wayna00 · 2025-09-26T01:35:09+00:00

Life is hard, it sucks but you have to get over it. If i have a son, the first thing I will worry about will not be his dating life, that is just weird and intrusive ???????most people face challenges in life, not only in dating, just overall, like come on........

bluestjuice · 2025-09-26T00:57:13+00:00

I have a son. He’s probably autistic! (Signs point to yes but that evaluation isn’t yet a thing that has happened.)

Do I worry about him? Of course. Do I worry about his potential future dating life more than I worry about keeping him from burning all his schooling bridges before he gets to the advanced subject work he really wants to do, or about his emotional literacy, or about the economic reality of the world in fifteen years, or about the possibility of him turning into a self-absorbed asshat? Not really? It turns out when you have kids there are a lot of things to worry about.

My job is to do the best I can to prepare him to eventually be an adult in a society and to have the skills and tools he needs to adapt and continue growing from there. Basically everything we are teaching him about virtue and being in a family and community will ultimately be applicable in dating or any other social context.

7186997326 · 2025-09-26T04:36:56+00:00

There are genetic factors that are completely out of women's control.

I wouldn't say completely out of women's control. Reproduce with a pro athlete, I don't often see their kids turning out to be incels, lol.

NoDanaOnlyZuuI · 2025-09-26T01:28:22+00:00

So what’s your point? Every generation of men and women runs into different struggles when it comes to dating. Even if our sons do face the same ones, what do you think parents are supposed to do - control height, hairlines, or genetics? You’re ranting about problems without offering any kind of solution

That 60% stat is irrelevant. There are also stats showing a big chunk of men never even approach women. Do you think sex just falls out of the fucking sky?

ArkNemesis00 · 2025-09-26T12:42:41+00:00

I don't think my sons will have a ton of issues primarily because my husband has some sick ass genes and is a good father. I do think men have struggles worth preparing for.

It's somewhat ironic that the more men complain about dating, the more selective women are likely to be so that they don't end up with sons with similar issues.

doggiedoc2004 · 2025-09-26T01:05:50+00:00

By pairing with the best man possible with the highest standards we can demand, we actually decrease the chance our boys will have dating issues. By picking masculine men who are decent looking,and decent human beings (and yes, there are many men that fit this category) we end up with fathers who are there for their sons and can help teach them proper social skills, grooming, and set them on a good career path.

There are plenty of women who choose poorly.

But by having exacting standards we are doing right by our future kids.

Of course a kid who ends up losing the genetic lottery or having mental or social deficits despite having great parents can and will struggle. Unfortunately this is life. Women with severe disabilities will also struggle

toothed_vagina · 2025-09-26T06:59:52+00:00

Everything you said is true, but this applies to women as well. Women struggle dating, especially unattractive women or older women who get used by hobosexuals who leech off. It all boils down to physical attractiveness. People HATE acknowledging this fact because, as you said, there are many things out of our control. And even the excessive, stupid, annoying marketing to convince us to go to the gym is pretty lame, because what makes people ugly or attractive cannot be changed in the gym. The gym works well if what makes you unattractive is fixable in the gym. If you're short, have a disproportionate skeleton (for women, it's short legs long torso), the gym won't do shit.

So people in the past got into loveless and sexless marriages. Nowadays, we are getting wiser.

Green_Ganache3173 · 2025-09-26T01:43:05+00:00

Someone (OP) needs to touch grass

No one is obligated to date someone they don't want to date - and no one is entitled to date anyone

Self improvement is for everyone - men who aren't successful at dating aren't exclusively due to being short, or bald, and also plenty of shorter men do just fine with women because they're good lays, not bitter and not sharing their insecurity about their height. It's the negativity and black pill that puts women off

ResponsibilityAny217 · 2025-09-26T02:48:43+00:00

I don’t want kids but if I did I would 1st teach my son that his default state/expectation should be singleness. Being coupled is a hopeful state not probable and comes with a lot of work and cons.

I think this will make him grounded in reality which bypasses half of these issues.

I think the pov to be happy single is a great pov to learn.

No_Wishbone6229 · 2025-09-26T01:24:52+00:00

I very much doubt that future generations will have the luxury of spending their time complaining about dating and internet culture.

iamatwork24 · 2025-09-26T11:11:47+00:00

angelbb1 · 2025-09-26T18:55:29+00:00

As a mother currently who plans to have 4-5 kids, I have to say all of the disadvantages listed can be countered with things one can work toward. Like being good at sports, being smart and getting a good job, nepotism (joking kinda) …… I am not worried about any son I might have, having a hard time dating because it’s actually very top of mind for me to not have children who are losers in this world, and have happy fulfilling lives. Can I account for everything? No of course not. But I truly believe there’s a slim chance they turn out like men I believe didn’t put their best foot forward and are lazy. If you are disadvantaged in looks, endowment, and height, then you should be picking the slack up in personality, financial security, emotional intelligence, and some sort of whirlwind skills that benefit your partner, such as cooking for one example. Is this fair? No, probably not. But has dating and relationships ever been fair for women or men? No. Women have their fair share of shit to deal with too, are you worried about your future daughters? I would say men being lonely is way less concerning for our youth than women and girls growing up not even being able to safely walk to the corner store in some areas without being heckled or assaulted. Didn’t mean to bring it there but it’s also true. Like in the grand scheme of things I don’t personally know more than 1 single man I am friends with, and he’s choosing to be single after a bad break up. I’m in my 30s and can’t think of one friend who is single, let alone single and doesn’t want to be….. just saying maybe some of the men this is happening to need to do some self reflection and see if there’s something they can do to bolster their attractiveness, which isn’t solely based on looks… Ask yourself what you offer 🤷🏻‍♀️ I am fully aware that my looks landed me my husband, so I don’t say this from a place of not knowing it’s not fair. If I hadn’t had my looks, I would have had to use something else to attract the opposite sex, like going 50/50…. i shudder at the thought.

Avast_Lion · 2025-09-26T19:24:31+00:00

"60% of Men ages 18-29 haven't had sex in an entire year." I haven't had sex in the last year. Most of my friends haven't had sex in a year. Of the (liberal, urban) women between the ages of 18-29 I know well enough to know when they have sex, 2/7, or 28% of them have had sex within the last year. You're telling me that 40% of young men are getting laid every year??

mrsmariekje · 2025-09-26T13:39:34+00:00

Where are you getting this idea that it is a parent's job to intervene in their children's dating life/engineer the optimal conditions for sons to get laid? Are you expecting your parents to set you up on a date with Suzy from next door? To butter up her parents and subtly pressure her to date you because you're a "nice young man from a good family"? Get a grip.

My children's romantic lives are their responsibility and their prerogative. My job is to make sure they are functional, independent adults. Everything else is up to them, either make it work or don't.

Title	The Dating Issues Men Face Will Be The Same Issues The Women On Here's Future Son's Will Face.
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