Is Billy Beta happy?

purplish_possum · 2022-06-19T12:03:08+00:00

I was blissfully unaware in my blue pill delusion. Right up until reality intruded and it all came crashing down.

bottleblank · 2022-06-19T12:28:59+00:00

I would hope so, and also that he never stumbles across these discussions (which he probably won't, if he's happy).

A lot of people are here having these debates, chewing over these theories, because of mistreatment or a lack of success in the dating pool. Naturally that's going to lend itself to pessimism, cynicism, and trying to rationalise the pain, the fear, and the hopelessness.

But if Billy's out there enjoying his time with 35 year old Stacey, who really cares? Good on him.

There is a little voice in the back of my head which holds the opposing view; that he should be upset that she and her ilk ignored him for 20 years, but I know that's you bastards putting words in my head, so I ignore it.

I envy those who have never had the misfortune to be unhappy enough, lonely enough, tormented enough to end up reading some of the absolute tripe that masquerades as debate and discussion on gender and relationship issues. I'm not those people, however, so I'm here commenting on this, and despite my apparent distain, I understand there are reasons why we're all here, online, contributing to these threads.

So, yes, I'd like to think he is blissfully unaware, happy with what he's got, and long may his happiness continue, even if it's because he doesn't know any different. Seems to work for a lot of people out there, and fair play to them all.

Pacman124 · 2022-06-19T12:10:09+00:00

Billy Beta is happy because he thinks he is in a relationship with someone that truly desires him. Like you said ignorance is bliss.

If Billy swallowed the redpill, it wouldn't be the case anymore. It depends on the men in question and their views.

ex_red_black_piller · 2022-06-19T19:23:10+00:00

It's always better to be the "dirty secret" ex of hers, who she did all sorts of stuff with, than be the billy beta who gets vanilla missionary once in a while and has to deal with her controlling behaviors and nagging all day every day.

Ok-Map-7596 · 2022-06-19T11:58:53+00:00

I suppose it depends on his expectations of the relationship. I doubt many people would be happy being in a relationship where they are not desired.

trolltaskforce · 2022-06-19T12:06:03+00:00

Would you be better off knowing the kid of your wife isn’t yours and living the rest of your life in bliss, or living in reality and dumping her and moving on? I prefer the one that is based on reality.

modidlee · 2022-06-19T14:06:20+00:00

Billy Beta may be sharing his life with his wife, but is she really sharing all of hers with him?

Spiritual_Age_4992 · 2022-06-19T12:00:09+00:00

Truth is more important than happiness

everleexc · 2022-06-19T16:07:22+00:00

I sometimes wish I could go back to the bluepill. I actually had happy feelings whenever i looked at women back then.

TermAggravating8043 · 2022-06-19T13:29:40+00:00

Honestly, no one that follows any pills will ever be happy.

Slyfer_Seven · 2022-06-19T11:56:50+00:00

Individuals, even in what red pill describes as beta bux situations, can be and are truly happy. It wouldn't be accurate to say the group is happy though. That applies to the AF side as well...

-Ivar-TheBoneless · 2022-06-19T12:03:08+00:00

Maybe beta bucks in the past were happy. No way beta bucks are happy today. Women today have gotten so entitled that not only do they feel entitled to only get with the beta bucks after they are completely used up, they even feel as if it's the beta that is lucky to have her. So they offer the beta nothing and mistreat him too.

vogel777 · 2022-06-19T15:46:54+00:00

I'd say most average people men and women are just muddling along completely unaware of the red pill nonsense. Lots of women are very happy with their nice average joe guys and have no idea their supposed to be lusting after tatted up assholes and their partners aren't constantly paranoid about it.

I really think the red pill stuff must just chime with certain guys due to having had bad / traumatic experiences in the past and the red pill philosophy creates for them an illusion of control the way that other conspiracy theories do i.e. it's somehow easier to believe someone is behind the scenes pulling the strings than to accept the reality that the humanity is just a bit rudderless.

I think there probably is useful stuff in the red pill that could apply to anyone, to take care of yourself and not get dragged off your course just because you fancy someone but all the absolutes it spouts about the sexes are nonsense and damaging.

shonenhikada · 2022-06-19T16:17:26+00:00

Nope he is not. The ex-cum dumpster will use bill beta as a walking ATM, therapist, emotional punching bag because she had to settle for him. He essential will come home to another boss and with complaints about his short comings because she is frustrated by him not being the guy she wanted. Despite Billy beta best effort his wife will continue to be dissatisfied and may eventually divorce him.

Take for example this guy. He got loving memories, carefree fun with little to no responsibilities with this girl. In addition, he got her pregnant and had a child with her.

https://youtu.be/eJM3vakQ-kw

This guy gets her after she had a kid with the former and has to now put in time, emotion and way more resources every single day to keep her happy. And in the end, she ended up divorcing him.

https://youtu.be/D8lTk-p8yOg

itm4l2000 · 2022-06-19T13:44:18+00:00

No body wants to be Billy Beta.

It's happening, visit your local cafe and their are legions of single 30+ women waiting to be scooped up by men who stop giving a fuck.

Established men in said cafes are looking through these women as if they're invisible. They're winners who crossed the finish line and have deep scepticism on 30+ year old women.

The women that are in relationships are dressing up in floral sundresses Iike their going to church on Sunday morning.

The game is up.

hari_hbp · 2022-06-19T14:56:38+00:00

if Billy Beta truly is happy, then who cares whether his wife is an ex-cumdumpster. The goal of dating is to make your life better and/or to share it with someone, so what I’m wondering is if Billy Beta truly is happy?

This is it, isn't it? If this "BB" is happy with the girl, she treats him right (by his standards), then that's answers your question, don't you think?

Most normal men accept that most women have normal sex lives where they were "cumdumpsters" (derogatory and dehumanising btw)as simply a fact of life. Caring about it is just going to make them unhappy, bitter or just add a negative vibe to their lives.

These men focus on how the woman treats them, her qualities, everything else about her. However, I should add, this requires the man to be satisfied in his own sexual experiences and enforcing his own boundaries.

The TRP version of BB is way too negative and I believe, it's easily avoidable for a man (even the pill guys and incels) as most normal men have done for years.

John_Oakman · 2022-06-19T12:28:03+00:00

Possibly, it would be similar logic akin to those who work for charity, volunteers, make free to use software, etc. Some people just find happiness from making contributions without thinking of what's in it for them.

You might call them natural slaves and/or exploitable resources but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

WretchdFlesh_Redeemd · 2022-06-19T19:18:51+00:00

After you swallow the red pill, WHAT makes you happy changes.

Billy Beta Bucks is happy with domineering used up women because he has no self respect and is just happy to be in a woman’s presence while red pill men that respect themselves require better quality women to fulfill that need.

Redpill demands that you have self respect as a man, blue pill doesn’t and since blue pillers don’t, they will settle for scraps.

dukesaces · 2022-06-20T01:37:41+00:00

I don't know if they're happy but they generally seem to be complacent, probably because they're ignorant of the truth and of how things actually are.

The most beta man I know of is a high earning guy with average looks who married his high school sweetheart and to me his life sounds like absolute hell but he seems to be.....okay with it ? He's only ever been with his wife, she left him after hs, had a hoe phase and has been with over 30 men and came back to him in her late 20s. She cheated while they were engaged (but he doesn't believe us). She fights with him often, mocks and belittles him in front of us and is very selfish always demanding they do the things she likes. I don't know if she's cheated since their marriage but she always dresses like a 20 year old party girl even when it's entirely inappropriate attire for where we're at.

He seems to be okay with it though. I haven't seen him be particularly sad or bitter. Everyone says she got with him for his money and none of us would want to be in his shoes but he definitely doesn't appear to be depressed.

I think a lot of beta males are just blissfully unaware. They're ignorant of how alpha relationships are and of how women behave when they genuinely desire you. They think their , honestly abusive relationships are what's normal and filter out all information that is contrary to their beliefs. It's only when something hits them like a ton of bricks, like finding out that their kids aren't actually theirs, that they sometimes wake up from their slumber, or not. There's some men that get divorced 4 times after all.

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2022-06-19T14:57:45+00:00

in the RP caricatures the married beta seems pretty miserable. in real life th8ngs aren't that black and white and most married men are happy, even if their wife has had more attractive partners in the past.

EulenWatcher · 2022-06-19T13:24:47+00:00

I don't think reality can be described as neatly as AF/BB. Not all couples fit this dichotomy and there's a huge variety in between of these two black and white variants. People in content stable relationships are happy. People tend to be happier when they have loving partners, I don't think it's different for men and women.

Edit: although on average I'd expect blue pillers to be happier than red/black pillers. Just because they at least haven't succumbed to these ideologies and probably have somewhat better experience with dating.

kblkbl165 · 2022-06-19T16:00:46+00:00

That’s the most annoying part of TRP for me. How a few men feel like they can project their experiences to the whole genre.

No dude, being ignored through your whole 20’s isn’t the norm, most people have active social lives and do just fine.

No dude, being seen as a wallet isn’t the norm. While men statistically still outearn women, most couples need to have both carrying some weight in order to survive in the current capitalist world. Divorces happen because of money? Certainly. Because having someone to split the bills is half the reason to get together nowadays, for both men and women.

Try to define “Billy Beta”. Who is he? He’s no man. he’s just a caricature, a strawman.

What most guys here should be asking yourselves is: Am I really trying to heal or am I just allowing myself to stay in a permanent state of wallowing…and feel smart about it? lol

DLifts777 · 2022-06-19T14:21:44+00:00

Billy beta is happier than he would be if he was alone. Some guys need a partner to feel fulfilled, it’s part of our protective providing instincts. If that means they have to take the role of beta and saddle themselves with a fat entitled blumper then they will do. Each to their own.

codgas · 2022-06-19T20:52:51+00:00

Not knowing might feel better, but any self respecting man would rather know and face reality.

MalePsychopath · 2022-06-20T13:24:36+00:00

As a child, I was taught that life is fair. Be a good person and you will be rewarded while bad people will get what they deserve and will get punished for their sins. Everything will be ok in the end and you’ll be happy.

When I got older, I realized that this isn’t true. Life isn’t fair at all, it’s arbitrary. People don’t get what they deserve, they just get what they get.
This made me very bitter and cynical for a few years.

Billy Beta is genuinely happy while he’s living in his little delusional world. But it’s a fragile happiness and he'll be devastated beyond belief once it all comes crashing down one day.

No-Priority7869 · 2022-06-19T12:27:10+00:00

Once I realized women could and would see me as BB I found it impossible to let my guard down completely with any of them. So, no

Ylduts · 2022-06-19T12:27:19+00:00

Billy is happy until she gets bored. These relationships tend to be temporary. IMHO it’s short term gratification that ends with long term suffering.

Zerofication · 2022-06-19T12:36:42+00:00

Most women get married for money, and once the money is gone, so are they. This should be taught to all men early on. And if they decide that the "sex-as-long-you-have-money-and-I-withdraw-sex-whenever-I-want" deal is worth it, then at least they know what they're signing up for.

Stunning-Potato-1984 · 2022-06-19T13:05:19+00:00

If you view women as ex-cumdumpsters you're probably never going to be happy because your brain is broken.

glowup6168 · 2022-06-19T13:16:00+00:00

I think this post is silly, 'betas' usually don't know how many guys there girlfriends have slept with so no they don't care. N count doesn't matter as long as no one knows. Stop obsessing over it and projecting your insecurities of other guys having bigger dicks lol

overandunderX · 2022-06-19T14:51:24+00:00

There are happy man all over the world living the red pill delusion of “Billa Beta.”

edgyny · 2022-06-19T15:46:23+00:00

Blue pill billy beta is probably "happy" in the sense that he's convinced himself to repress his desires and doesn't realize he's sitting on dynamite.

But if he transitions to purple he can easily get everything he truly desires. Unlike the red pillers who desperately try to convince themselves they don't want what they truly want.

Nk-O · 2022-06-19T16:01:33+00:00

There's more at stake than Billy Beta's feelings... You can't maintain a stable civilization with dynamics like these (prevailing opinion). Or can you? (Actual, huge question which we're elaborating in these times in the West). RP deifinitely has at least some elements of very traditional values in it, while I'm not sure smetimes if really makes evolutionary sense to have this opinion resp. value or if it also is societal by itself.

-KiNG-WaVy- · 2022-06-19T20:39:54+00:00

I mean both sides get what they want, the billy beta gets the sex and company of the woman, and the lady gets money, security and comfort. As long as both parties get what they want I see no problem

whitemonster_enjoyer · 2022-06-19T22:03:10+00:00

Maybe, but even if he is doesn't mean I want to be him.

The whole point of the "blue pill" vs "red pill" dichotomy in the Matrix was the choice between a comfortable lie and an uncomfortable reality.

HamptonIsles · 2022-06-19T23:10:08+00:00

Wouldn’t know.

Habil13 · 2022-06-20T02:40:48+00:00

Most guys are just unaware that women have desires for some men, but not them. They have no reference point, they can never really ever understand it, so the problem doesn't exist to them until they see it firsthand.

CocoBabeNYC · 2022-06-19T12:35:03+00:00

Billy Beta is fucking his wife/gf while the red pill guy is raging on AskTRP and getting rejected left and right.

moosemc · 2022-06-19T14:08:52+00:00

I was quite disturbed at 1st.

Then I remembered, that its all nonsense.

The_LSD_Fairy · 2022-06-19T13:24:41+00:00

Holy shit what is this and this comment thread? Every now and then I wake up and look at a post and realize how well balanced I am when I see all this weird shit terminology.

This is what happens when you spend too much time thinking and not enough time living

throuv_away · 2022-06-19T14:09:11+00:00

What the fuck are you talking about?...

Respectfully

Lazy-Hat2290 · 2022-06-19T16:06:49+00:00

Betabux isnt a reality anymore. Women can make their own money now. Most men are not rich and never will be. So how can you betabaux for a women that has the same income as you or maybe even more.

You redpill guys are way more delusional than the blackpillers i talk with on forums.

AelfredRex · 2022-06-19T13:12:41+00:00

Men who swallow the red pill don't want to be happy. They want to be bitter and angry and whiny and always complaining. And hate on women for not kissing up to their sorry misogynistic asses.

Billy Beta is very happy because he's getting the love of the woman you want.

sarkington · 2022-06-19T16:51:42+00:00

Obviously enough, or there’d be war

Men aren’t that hot pussy crazed, although I can see how a 20 year old might not be able to understand that

TheMedsPeds · 2022-06-19T20:53:31+00:00

I’m sure there are millions of men out there happy with their lives that you RP would consider “beta” relationships. Because in the end of the day, y’all are the ones sitting alone on the internet discussing dating stats because you are too good to be with some women because they dared to have a slutty phase in college. But “Billy beta” is over here starting a family with that woman, living his life meeting all the “life milestones.” And I know it’s crazy, but check this out: he might not give a shit about all the things that y’all obsess about and might just love his wife and his kids. Just because the RP community believe in all these strict/particular/trad values doesn’t mean other people are secretly miserable in their relationships because don’t meet y’all own agreed-upon-in-the-cult requirements.

ruboyuri · 2022-06-19T21:08:06+00:00

Plenty of people are mature adults, yes

boofthegirl · 2022-06-20T02:27:25+00:00

Why is it so hard for you to accept that some people might actually be happy?

cowfishAreReal · 2022-06-19T13:10:45+00:00

So when you say learning you mean making shit up.

flapperfemmefatale · 2022-06-19T20:48:17+00:00

The AF/BB is just the myth unwanted men invented to help explain their world....like early humans trying to figure out what thunder was.

But hey I married a Chad so what do I know? 🤣

OneComfortable3508 · 2022-06-21T01:28:53+00:00

Red pill certainly wants you to think he isn’t. But why are most men blue pill still? Any fantastic product or idea sells itself completely and everyone play along. If men were truly getting screwed wholesale would there be a different result?

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wtknight · 2022-06-19T12:58:54+00:00

If he's living the life that Red Pill supposedly describes him to be living, then he's most likely not happy because his partner either doesn't want sex very often or isn't enthusiastic during sex.

Of course, he might be happy to be with such an attractive partner that he doesn't care, though. But most men are driven by the desire to have hot sex with a woman, whether it's through casual sex or through a loving relationship, so I have to think that in almost all cases he wouldn't be happy.

I think that this is a big reason why men should avoid women who have likely been with more attractive men in the past who they were more sexually enthusiastic with.

handemande1 · 2022-06-19T14:29:58+00:00

Happy usually for at least 10 years before the marital problems intensify.

PlayfulLawyer · 2022-06-19T14:55:37+00:00

I mean if we're going by the ignorance is bliss standard yes

Physical-Pie748 · 2022-06-19T15:26:25+00:00

some beta males are happy. no problem for me because i dont care. im gonna go the sugar baby route

jonascf · 2022-06-19T15:29:37+00:00

How do you imagine Billy Beta's life to be (let's say in a best case scenario)? It's kind of hard to say wether he can be happy without knowing anything about the situation

2022-06-19T16:45:20+00:00

No, because he doesn’t exist.

Bruhmuh · 2022-06-19T20:18:19+00:00

Most men can't/won't be alpha so you either check out or suck it up

szclimber · 2022-06-20T01:23:28+00:00

Some women like beta men. Not every women wants an alpha. Some want a provider they can trust. Thats it. They will happily marry this man and stay loyal to him. They enjoy the comfort and reliability.

HazyMemory7 · 2022-06-20T02:10:50+00:00

Briefly, until he ends up in r/deadbedrooms.

Catherine772023 · 2022-06-20T11:07:07+00:00

Saying women should lower their standards and settle to give men opportunities to date because it’s so bad for men then saying they’re unhappy about women settling because it makes them feel like beta males is ironic.

JoeRMD77 · 2022-06-20T21:33:07+00:00

If betas are just unconditional helpers then I know a few guys like that but they also get attention from women pretty often. I just read something about how men who want children are more attractive to women, so this is where the alpha beta stuff doesn't really compute for me. If unconditional helpers aren't trendy right now then someone needs to tell the women that keep hoarding around these guys where I work at.

tinrooster2005 · 2022-06-22T18:24:45+00:00

A plow horse is happy to have a stable and hay to eat up until the day he breaks his leg working and the farmer shoots him in the head. The mustang sees the plowhorses life and says "well, life might be tough, but at least I'm free to do as I please."

Title	Is Billy Beta happy?
Author	Habil13
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Date	June 19, 2022 11:49 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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