Men dont actually care about a women being healthy

dishonouronmycow · 2023-05-20T12:47:33+00:00

https://www.psypost.org/2023/04/men-are-more-attracted-to-women-with-lower-bmi-but-agree-those-with-higher-bmi-appear-more-healthy-and-fertile-74673#:~:text=Lower%20BMI%20may%20be%20perceived,women%20in%20well%2Dfed%20populations. There was a study done that stated the lower end of healthy to slightly underweight is seen as more visually attractive but a midrange healthy BMI is seen as actually the most healthy and fertile.

No-Rough-7390 · 2023-05-20T15:50:43+00:00

The eating disorder most common in America has nothing to with consuming too little food… lol

Teflon08191 · 2023-05-20T19:20:49+00:00

Because believe it or not a bit of fat is good for women

Generally the women who make those kinds of statements tend to have more than just "a bit" of fat though...

Bunny_and_chickens · 2023-05-20T12:16:35+00:00

I don't know what type of men you associate with, but I know men that go for all kinds of women.

Devourer_of_felines · 2023-05-20T13:36:20+00:00

Because as we all know, there’s literally no women in the middle between being obese and being anorexic right OP?

Because believe it or not a bit of fat is good for women and women are supposed to naturally have more fat than men for reproduction purposes.

Yea…when literally 1/3 of your body weight is fat that’s not a little bit.

noonereadsthisstuff · 2023-05-20T12:19:05+00:00

Men dont go for unhealthily skinny women any more than they go for unhealthily fat women, if you think they do you have a warped idea of what a healthy person looks like.

Those 'malnourished' south koreans have the healthiest bmi in the developed world.

4SSh01e · 2023-05-20T12:27:51+00:00

This is the most ridiculous thing I have read in a long while. I can’t even begin to conceptualise where OP got these caricatures from.

I go to gym regularly and I regularly see super hot women who are not stick skinny. Their fat percentage is in healthy range and have decent muscle underneath the fat thus giving them a feminine yet a reasonably strong adult woman’s outline. I also go to university and I would say about 60-70% of the young women are in healthy weight range.

Although BMI is not a great metric but it does give some insight, and it’s fairly wide too. So it’s not binary like you are making it out to be.

If this was a rage bait then you have done well, I have to give it to you.

Zadacat · 2023-05-20T13:33:41+00:00

But a “bit of fat” doesn’t mean overweight or obese

greedyleopard42 · 2023-05-20T14:48:57+00:00

they might prefer the slightly below “healthy” weight a little bit more, but they’re not shutting out the healthy weight people. they just don’t like the way more than healthy weight people.

depending on your age, it makes sense to some degree. we tend to pack on the pounds as we age so the thinner ones i guess have more wiggle room to stay healthy later

IMendicantBias · 2023-05-20T12:52:41+00:00

The average 5'7 dude is 140-150. The average 5'4 woman is 170 pounds.

guccidane13 · 2023-05-20T17:01:11+00:00

My lord, are you really posting on r/marryrich about not being able to be with your partner because he’s not rich, but complaining about men only liking skinny girls?

Good luck getting a rich man without being thin lol

SwinginPastMyKnees_ · 2023-05-20T12:22:06+00:00

It's quite telling when someone describes women who are at a healthy weight as "malnourished children".

Women do have a higher body fat % compared to men. That's true that it's for reproduction purposes. However, at least in the US, the average woman is carrying way more fat than necessary for that.

Rahim556 · 2023-05-20T13:45:05+00:00

I'm attracted to everything from skinny/slim to average to athletic. The reason I think a skinny/slim girl is a good pick is because you have more room to work with. If she gains a bit of weight in the future (either relationship weight or as she ages) then she will be average. A girl who's already average will go to overweight. So it's more of a future planning or "preventative maintenance" if you will. Same thing with younger women. A woman who's 30 can be hot 🔥, but a woman who's 20 who's hot 🔥 can have 10 more years of hotness and then still be hot at 30. So for anything long term these things factor in.

wtknight · 2023-05-20T12:50:36+00:00

Women put this pressure on themselves. If women all wanted to be a healthy weight then they would be and men would still be attracted to and want to have sex with the most attractive of these women.

Stunning_Thing4208 · 2023-05-20T11:58:15+00:00

How fat are you, OP

nothatyoucare · 2023-05-20T13:00:23+00:00

Guys always say they like healthy fit girls, yet they go for the extra skinny girls with eating disorders or the gym obsessed girls who compete and cut down to unhealthy fat percentage levels and the girls with 10 different plastic surgeries.

So by this logic the "healthy" girls are getting overlooked right? Because men are going for all the other girls. But we know this isn't the case AT ALL.

Furthermore men like women with ass and breasts. Women get themselves super skinny for other women.

Zestyclose_Truth9999 · 2023-05-20T12:42:07+00:00

yet they go for the extra skinny girls with eating disorders or the gym obsessed girls who compete and cut down to unhealthy fat percentage levels

To any woman who's insecure about being overweight or downright obese, normal-sized women are "extra skinny" or "gym obsessed".

Being out and about here (Netherlands), I barely notice any couples with severely underweight women. The majority of men appear to be paired with women of a healthy weight or mildly overweight.

Plus, if you're a relatively fit chick that's a healthy weight, you're going to do loads better on dating apps or IRL than your overweight/underweight friends. It's nothing to do with being "skinny", it's to do with overall attractiveness.

Worried_Toe2934 · 2023-05-20T12:46:55+00:00

Guys always say they like healthy fit girls, yet they go for the extra skinny girls with eating disorders or the gym obsessed girls who compete and cut down to unhealthy fat percentage levels and the girls with 10 different plastic surgeries.

Where are you from? I never ever heard any man say this, 99% of men really do not care whatsoever. Sure we like to look at pretty women on the internet but would marry a Milk Carton if it had a vagina and gave us a compliment. Whereas 99% of women do care but won't barely have a man look at them without claiming sexual harassment unless they are either billionaires or the height of an NBA-player with the proper job.

MullNad2 · 2023-05-20T12:56:50+00:00

Men are not selective at all. Mfers dumpster dive just to fuck.

rootsnyder · 2023-05-20T12:04:56+00:00

Yeah why would I care about someone who has the potential to be the future mother of my children being healthy? It's not like their entire future physical quality of life could be incredibly damaged through being a fetus in a mother with an incredibly unhealthy lifestyle or something.

Various-Storm2143 · 2023-05-20T12:02:49+00:00

Same can be argued about women's demands for looks in men

They don't care about male "health", they just want lean and muscular males even it requires steroids and/or extreme dieting.

James_Cruse · 2023-05-20T13:10:18+00:00

I don’t see too many underweight women here in Australia and men certainly aren’t looking for that, from my experience. This is all in women’s minds.

Men want big natural tits and/or big butt on women with (healthy) slim waists. Sometimes men want healthy fit/slim women but we all like a softer womanly figure. I don’t know any man that likes a muscular woman with a lifting competition build.

If you don’t have big butt/slim waist body naturally, then women go to the gym to get the butt + eat healthier & less food to be slim.

On a side note: the most naturally slim woman I’ve ever dated was korean, she never had any fat on her but was extremely healthy. She ate as much or MORE than me, because we ate most of our meals together and she never threw up, just had a normal amount of cardio.

Silver_Switch_3109 · 2023-05-20T12:20:22+00:00

From my experience, slightly overweight means very fat.

Blondefairy25 · 2023-05-20T12:15:48+00:00

Idk. When I was super underweight I kind of looked like a greyhound and guys didn’t find that attractive.

I’m now at a BMI of about 22 and get much more attention now.

DerayRevan · 2023-05-20T12:10:05+00:00

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AdOpen432 · 2023-05-20T12:04:34+00:00

Yeah when guys say they want a healthy women that's pretty much just code for "I want a skinny woman" wich isn't inherently bad but they should just be more upfront about their preferences instead of trying to make themselves seem better and having a purposefully conservative view on womans health.

CombinationMore4630 · 2023-05-20T14:11:01+00:00

You're kidding yourself if you think men go for anorexic women. Maybe your view's eschewed?

Statistically there's hardly malnourished women walking around for you to notice.

I think you're calling regular chicks malnourished to compensate for obesity

Antisocialite99 · 2023-05-20T15:35:39+00:00

This is fucking crazy. I want a woman who can hike ski kayak backpack and mnt bike with me, and also share cooking and eating with me and someone who I don't have to stress and worry about making healthy choices.

My ex had an eating disorder. I was more attractEd to her when she was fit and not malnourished. .

TempoIndigo · 2023-05-20T16:32:22+00:00

Women like Eugenia Cooney are seen as bad role models and while very few men find her hot, most joke that she looks like an Auschwitz survivor being released

Men really dont turn down “slightly overweight” women. The issue is obese landwhales at 400lbs and 5’ 0 call themselves “slightly overweight” as they destroy the suspension on one side of your car

Den_the_God-King · 2023-05-20T13:02:32+00:00

I’m actually very unhealthy myself, it would be very hard for me to be with someone healthy as they would be less sympathetic to my problems.

rogue_orthodontist · 2023-05-20T14:39:48+00:00

Disagree. We lost the weight together and we both took responsibility for ourselves. He never once pressured me into it either. Associate with better men.

NoobSaw · 2023-05-20T15:01:11+00:00

Lets assume average proportions, no serious health complications and 20-25 year old women so BMI is more accurate.

What do you think the BMI of a "healthy girl" should be?

InjectAdrenochrome · 2023-05-20T19:19:33+00:00

I used to weigh 95 lbs and I got significantly less male attention than when I was 105-110 lbs, even up to 120 lbs I had more men into me.

However, my social life was much smaller than when I weighed more so I can't really definitively say what men actually thought.

I got that skinny from living alone and being too lazy to go to the store and cook for myself. I drank 2 cans of mountain dew per day and like a packet of cookies or chips every day. Turns out unhealthy food doesn't make you fat if you just don't eat much of it. So it was a complete accident and not intentional to lose that much weight. I didn't perceive myself to be too skinny though, other people pointed it out a lot but I thought I looked the same. I also was probably visibly unhealthy to other people.

Steakman1 · 2023-05-20T12:58:59+00:00

A guy would go for an Instagram model with many plastic surgeries, hasn’t worked out a day in her life, only eats McDonalds, capea and drinks yet would turn down a slightly overweight girl because shes “unhealthy.”

For starters, I think plenty of guys are putting up a front with their standards and are actually just saying what their ideals are in women. I think many who are not great at attracting women would say yes to women just on the basis of them not being bed ridden obese. Or at the very least, I don’t think many of them would actually turn down slightly overweight women.

In regards to the Instagram models, guys are not going to be able to tell she has that unhealthy lifestyle unless she is posting it and admitting to it. They are just going to see a woman with an attractive figure and assume she has that figure because she has a healthy lifestyle. But yes it is true that it could be her youth and genetics that are holding her body together. And eventually if she keeps up her bad habits, her body is going to give out, and her figure will change quick. When we see toned, muscular guys on Instagram, many will assume it’s because he just has a really healthy lifestyle. But it could be true that he is juicing behind the scenes. And many people who don’t know much about steroids would not be tell unless he has a completely unrealistic physique.

look at Koreas beauty standard, women there literally look like malnourished children.

I think the beauty standard is similar throughout all of Asia. And last I knew, it is the most populated region on the planet. I would question how they are reproducing so much if most of them are malnourished. Since if you become too skinny, you can’t have periods.

Ok_Tomorrow_3963 · 2023-05-20T14:09:22+00:00

A guy would go for an Instagram model with many plastic surgeries, hasn't worked out a day in her life, only eats McDonalds, vapes and drinks yet would turn down a slightly overweight girl because shes "unhealthy".

"Slightly oerweight" girl is proabably has a busted face too. Be honest here.

HazyMemory7 · 2023-05-20T15:14:41+00:00

gym obsessed girls who compete and cut down to unhealthy fat percentage levels

Girls who's lives revolve around exercise and nutrition are unhealthy? You realize they only cut down to extremely low body fat percentage very briefly for the shows? Then spending time hating on korean beauty standards because those women look different?

I don't recall any man ever saying "I want a woman who is healthy" when listing his standards anyway. They might say fit, someone who works out, or that they aren't attracted to overweight woman but healthy? Not really.

The post quality around here is really, really low lately.

2023-05-20T12:51:59+00:00

Most physical preferences are rooted in signs of health, fertility, and the ability to secure plentiful resources.

Maintaining a lot of muscle mass requires sufficient protein in the diet.

Excess fat mass causes overall health issues, including issues with the reproductive system. Most men prefer women in their healthy weight range (18.5-25 BMI.) Relatively few prefer underweight or underfat women.

Large breasts are a sign of high estrogen and progesterone, which influence fertility. Wide hips are easier to pass babies through than narrow hips are.

These preferences are mostly subconscious. Conscious preferences for people who take care of their health usually stem from people who want partners with a compatible lifestyle.

Professional-Ant8445 · 2023-05-20T15:03:30+00:00

Wow this thread really triggered the fatties. Which looks like is 90% of the women on PPD. Can't say it's that surprising.

DumbWordsmith · 2023-05-20T14:19:10+00:00

Kim K was the most pined after woman for like a decade. In general, truly curvy women, not skinny women, are considered to be the physical ideal. That's a very healthy body type.

Dstar538888 · 2023-05-20T18:54:03+00:00

Why do you jump from one extreme to the next?? You know it’s possible to just be really skinny and not have an eating disorder right?? Girls who are naturally skinny exist😬

RRBeachFG2 · 2023-05-20T16:24:44+00:00

U good bro

NeveruseTren · 2023-05-20T19:34:47+00:00

So you just want an excuse to be fat? What exactly is the point here?

ARatOnPC · 2023-05-20T21:19:30+00:00

Being skinny isn’t unhealthy.

BeneficialTop5136 · 2023-05-20T22:34:26+00:00

This an overly-extreme example of thin = malnourished. Being thin doesn’t mean you’re unhealthy, being dedicated to a strict gym routine isn’t unhealthy. I also think that many women are naturally skinny, and just because she doesn’t work out “a day in her life” doesn’t automatically signify that she’s unhealthy.

ashleyrose56 · 2023-05-20T13:16:24+00:00

You are coping. Tell me you are overweight without telling me you are overweight 😂

You know there's a lot of skinny women who are not severely underweight with an eating disorder, right?

No one is attracted to fat people, get over it.

Highonuppers · 2023-05-20T17:07:21+00:00

Don’t be a hater 😘

Atomic_Thr0away · 2023-05-20T18:36:32+00:00

Men are attracted to neotany (The retention of juvenile characteristics in the adults of a species). Women are attracted to neotany too but it's focused on children.

The big eyes, smooth skin, cherub looking face/cheeks. This signals our brain that this "little human" should be protected.

When women "hit the wall" it's typically when they loose their neotany. And women notice that they aren't getting noticed anymore.

So yeah, the smaller/petite women are going to trigger a greater response.

And of course, since you're women, not only do we want to protect you, we wanna get all up in your guts and reproduce with you too.

Makuta_Servaela · 2023-05-20T14:09:03+00:00

It's not just weight. High heels shorten the muscles in our legs. Visible muscles and strength are seen as unattractive. Plenty of makeup brands have carcinogens in them. Big breasts cause back issues. Body hair has health benefits, yet women are seen as less womanly with their natural body hair. Most stereotypes of attraction are actively detrimental to women's health. Meanwhile, what women tend to find attractive are usually healthy behaviours in men (a healthy amount of muscle, reasonable grooming standards, etc). Now, there are a few things women find attractive that are unhealthy (you usually have to be severely dehydrated to have chiseled movie star abs), but men just straight up want ill women.

Even mental illness is seen as attractive in some cases, since abandonment issues girls are stereotyped to be more clingy and desperate and open to men's advances. The ability to stand up for yourself is seen as unattractive in women.

iassureyouimreal · 2023-05-20T13:17:33+00:00

That’s sounds like what women think men want

BlackBalor · 2023-05-20T14:12:54+00:00

Skinny doesn’t always mean healthy anyways. You can be skinny and your organs can be fatty and your arteries can be clogged to shit.

A chubby person who does cardio will probably be healthier than a skinny person with a sedentary lifestyle.

AdobiWanKenobi · 2023-05-20T14:21:18+00:00

Well this is a chronically online take

MiasmicSector · 2023-05-20T14:51:54+00:00

Men say they like healthy chicks because they are shamed for having a preference and not wanting fat chicks. Men aren't allowed to have preferences at all without harpies shaming them.

We don't like fat chicks, that's why the most successful dudes aren't walking around with Lizzo lookin ass chicks on their arms, they are walking around with 20 something year old super models who are indeed thin AF.

Green-Quantity1032 · 2023-05-20T15:05:22+00:00

I don't care if she's "healthy", I care if she's hot.

It's hard to be hot when you're unwell.

Younger, beautiful, fit girls are on average healthier and have healthier offspring.

Who knew attractiveness isn't arbitrary.

I never went out with a girl who did more than a nose-job for plastic surgery,

not that I'm against it if it looks nice.

zaph239 · 2023-05-20T23:25:11+00:00

Female beauty standards are hardly demanding. All the average woman has to do, is quit eating cake and move occasionally.

This seems beyond most western women, alas type 2 diabetes and heart disease don't care about body positivity and other such non-sense.

katyushas_boyfriend · 2023-05-20T18:00:32+00:00

yet they go for the extra skinny girls with eating disorders

Most guys don't like genuine skin and bones. Your perception of "extra skinny" is probably skewed because most people are fat. Someone who is in the lowest 5% or even lowest 2% of BMI can still be considered within the "normal" range or barely "underweight", which is still above the threshold for an anorexia diagnosis(< 17.0 BMI).

the gym obsessed girls who compete and cut down to unhealthy fat percentage levels

A lot of female athletes have very low body fat simply as a result of their lifestyle. I don't think they are unhealthy except for abnormal periods, but then again hormonal birth control can do the same thing. Most people aren't currently trying to have kids.

I think its a sham that guys like healthy girls. Its just an excuse to go for girls who aren't fat yet are still unhealthy. A guy would go for an Instagram model with many plastic surgeries, hasn't worked out a day in her life, only eats McDonalds, vapes and drinks yet would turn down a slightly overweight girl because shes "unhealthy".

There's nothing in fast food that's especially harmful to you, it's primarily only "unhealthy" insofar as it causes excess fat gain. You could be reasonably healthy while still regularly eating fast food if you don't consume too many calories.
There's not a lot of research to support the idea that vaping, and nicotine generally, is that harmful. It only gets a bad rap because of it's association with tobacco.
You don't need to work out to have a fit body, some people just lead more active lifestyles than others.

Ultimately excess body fat in of itself is very harmful regardless of what you consume, what you don't consume, and how much you move. "Health at every size" is a myth. Excess body fat causes more health problems than any of those things you mentioned.

AssistTemporary8422 · 2023-05-20T17:12:41+00:00

What guys are attracted to is the body shape not the health itself. So many underweight women can have an attractive body shape even if they aren't healthy. However if women are too underweight and start looking like bony stick figures they become less attractive.

Zizq · 2023-05-20T13:38:20+00:00

Nothing is about weight for any man I know. I’m dating a woman who is a little over her suggested BMI, doesn’t bother me. What you are forgetting to realize is that the main thing any person is actually looking for is confidence. Obese people are not confident. Furthermore they lack the discipline necessary for a long and healthy marriage in most cases.

yuckyuck13 · 2023-05-20T13:56:29+00:00

The majority of men don't care if you're a size double zero or a size ten. If we find you attractive and vibing with us we will try. I dated fat women and women who have/had eating disorders. Women less concerned with their waist size are incomparable more fun to interact with.

ImaginationFunny2480 · 2023-05-20T14:42:58+00:00

Me and the men I know go for a variety of women and ultra skinny usually isn’t one of them. Personally I think fit women are the most attractive, I don’t know this for sure but maybe you’re attracted to the wrong type of men.

SiegfriedSigurd · 2023-05-20T14:54:17+00:00

This is absolute BS. The push for anorexic women comes from women themselves, and is perpetuated through mass media. It's also location dependent. The US has this weird dichotomy where the beauty standard is either anorexic or obese masquerading as "thick" and "curvy".

Visual studies repeatedly show that both sexes prioritise immediate signs of fertility/virility. For women, men look at breasts, hips and ass. For men, women look at shoulders and arms.

I guarantee you this is a phantom anxiety that women spend a lot of time thinking and worrying about for no reason. Men's physical standards are not at all strict, unlike women.

Vapelord420XXXD · 2023-05-20T15:53:24+00:00

Well most women are way too fat these days

AlmostKindaGreat · 2023-05-20T16:13:30+00:00

When I hear that a man likes a "healthy" woman I assume he actually means "not too skinny" because thicker women is the trend right now.

I don't think the starving, losing their period, gaunt look is a common preference among men. It just goes against our nature. Men like butts and boobs specifically because women tend to store fat there and having this fat indicates nourishment and health.

That said, thin(ish) will always be in and considered attractive and "fit" is often used to actually mean "skinny". It seems less shallow to value an interest in fitness than to prefer thin women. So if you saying men are using codewords to try to hide the true nature of their preferences then you're right. I think I'm agreeing with the core point of this post in that there is some obfuscation of our preferences to be more socially acceptable.

Women do this too, of course.

Also, yeah, usually when people criticize fat people in any context they usually are just expressing contempt for fat people and not any genuine concern for health.

Sabrepill · 2023-05-20T13:16:08+00:00

Women carrying a little fat looks good if it’s in the boobs and butt. They should have a slim toned waist and good musculature. Healthy does look good

What you’re describing as looking good: malnourished or plastic surgery: both look hideous to me. I’ll take a fit, robust, voluptuous, slim thick, natural woman who prioritizes physically training and diet any day of the week. Overweight women are not attractive to me, it represents gluttony and sloth

Glass_Bucket · 2023-05-20T13:42:42+00:00

Well, women are attracted to dehydrated, starving hollywood actors on steroids. Those men are objectively unhealthy but women are still attracted to it. So it goes both ways.

DickTurtle1804 · 2023-05-20T13:02:56+00:00

Men have different tastes...I'm athletic for a 40yr old but I'm not exclusively attracted to athletic women..quite the opposite usually. I like UK size 12 to 14. Buxom babes >athletic babes

motherseffinjones · 2023-05-20T13:35:22+00:00

I think you make a great point. I actually prefer a thicker girl to a skinnier girl. People do have preferences and that’s ok. I know our short kings might be punching the air right now though but that’s life I guess lol.

purplish_possum · 2023-05-20T14:53:12+00:00

a bit of fat is good for women

And more than a bit isn't nearly as unhealthy as many assert.

BulletReaper · 2023-05-20T17:25:40+00:00

I literally do not know a single man who wants an anorexic stick thin girl unless they’re some Patrick Bateman psycho. This is literally a stigma created by women like the Barbie theory.

Active-Razzmatazz-86 · 2023-05-20T14:56:58+00:00

I think tbh guys go for every girl.Different men have different tastes.Some like gym girls.Some like just skinny ones.Some like chubby while some want their women a little fat

RocinanteCoffee · 2023-05-20T17:59:52+00:00

I mean some genuinely do but it's telling to see who is just looking at appearance and for whom smoking, inadequate nutrition, opiate or amphetamine use, and other factors would be dealbreakers.

And these things are not just used by thin women or thick women, there's a lot of overlap.

If someone is not willing to date a fat person (based purely on the argument of health not appearance) but will date them once they've dropped weight becoming addicted to amphetamines or by chainsmoking, then really they weren't into health in the first place.

If they say it's 'just about health' but won't date a healthy broad-shouldered, barrel-chested shot-putter then no, it's not about health.

Sometimes it is though.

I've known men who even though I fit their body shape would encourage me to pick up hobbies or behaviors I have limited interest in (competitive weight lifting, hiking/mountain climbing, going vegan). Ultimately it wasn't why we stopped seeing each other but they genuinely did have a specific and honest appreciation for a certain kind of health (that included strength/more significant muscle definition/dietary changes).

One of my good friends is a fat girl yet her physicals show her blood pressure and cholesterol are better than mine. She does yoga and swims every day of the week. She eats much more homemade food than I do, and she drinks a lot more water.

On paper even though I'm a size medium and she shops at Torrid, she's much healthier than I am.

But some (not all, not even necessarily most) of the people who say they are attracted to healthy girls might choose my body over hers trying to justify it that way even though it isn't true.

The strongest, fittest person on my swim team in high school was also the heaviest. A lot was muscle but she was also a big girl, wore larger sizes.

She was probably healthier than all of us.

If someone was 300 lbs and lost 100 they may still appear unhealthfully fat but really their heart, blood sugar, all their stats show they are healthier than the naturally-thin but eats horribly and never does cardio/has hidden fat packed around her organs girl.

All that being said, nobody can help who they are attracted to. And while they might be in denial or ignorance thinking it's "only about health" neither should they date a fat person if they aren't attracted to them.

Mr_Chad_Thunderpenis · 2023-05-20T16:34:09+00:00

Most men don't like very skinny girls or girls that are at very low bodyfat where there is a lot of vascularity and shredded abs are showing. They prefer slim thick, at least that's how they call it nowadays I think. Hourglass shape, fairly fit, with decently sized tits and butt.

Men don't go for women with a lot of plastic surgery. They go for women who are attractive. If the plastic surgery is masterfully done and is not obvious, it makes little difference compared to a woman who was naturally attractive.

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RIPGeorgeHarrison · 2023-05-20T19:52:31+00:00

yet they go for the extra skinny girls with eating disorders or the gym obsessed girls who compete and cut down to unhealthy fat percentage levels and the girls with 10 different plastic surgeries

I'm going to have to disagree with you here about how healthy these people are. Natural competitive athletes are at low body fat levels are extremely healthy people. The limit at which low body fat really becomes unhealthy is 5% for men and 15% for women, which I think is a level most men don't find attractive.

I would argue that the way shme men prefer really thick women, and how some guys dislike even the slightest muscle definition on women is a bigger indication of not caring about a woman's health.

SniXSniPe · 2023-05-20T20:41:46+00:00

I very rarely see women who look like they are sub 12% bodyfat range. I would say most seem to be around 15% - 20%, or so. Even the healthy lifting fitness instagram models are about that, on average.

It makes me wonder what you really consider "fat" to be, or what you're seeing on your feed. I wouldn't even compare beauty standards in Korea to America... we all know how strict they are in general, in terms of image of there.

One thing I have learned from many years of being active and working out is to be skeptical when hearing comments like this:

a bit of fat is good for women and women are supposed to naturally have more fat than men for reproduction purposes.

...because then, I question how much a "bit of fat" is from the person saying this.

2023-05-20T20:41:49+00:00

i disagree my bd wanted me to eat right for a a long time he was very worried about my weight fluctuating and some ailments I might have contracted from pregnancy The fact I wasn’t eating a lot while being pregnant. made him worry the most

SpiritualBlob · 2023-05-20T22:48:44+00:00

… you can’t generalize men here. I for one am a fat guy myself. Most women I date are fat. I often notice these girls care less about their physical health and more about their mental health. So I often try to find situations in which we can both improve our mental health and eventually physical health. For example: my ex-girlfriend was so fat she could not walk the stairs (in comparison: I can still run a few miles). We both looked the same type of fat, except I am more healthy than she is in terms of being able to handle cardio. We were on par mentally and we could often help another person during a mental breakdown. Anyhow: I actively helped her finding a dentist, therapist and a physical activity she liked. Above all I was always there for her mental breakdowns - and even ran out of class a couple of times and called her friends to create a social support network for her. I cooked healthy meals for us and before she cheated, I was going to suggest we’d lose weight together. She on the other hand, always helped me wake up early (since she is an early bird), and comforted me whenever I got deadlines I was stressed out about.

I have been with a very skinny girl once, when I was 17. And yes, I thought it would make me happy to be with a girl who was “pretty”. She was nice, and I really tried, but I just did not like her that much. To be fair, it could have had to do with her showing no effort in most spheres of life at the time and most importantly: not in me. And I have always been raised to work hard for things I like. So in short: our personalities didn’t match at the time. I rather went out with the fat chick who always got my back - even though I was incredibly fit at the time - than with the fit gym girl with whom I had very little in common.

I am sorry for the reasons that led to your world view on this matter. I get it: I am a fat guy and I believe the same about women; “they basically just want a hot, rich, super intelligent guy and don’t care about me as a person. They only care about me as status object.” Yet, it is good to be able to distinguish between what you FEEL and what you KNOW is the truth.

medlabunicorn · 2023-05-20T23:52:07+00:00

I had a co-worker who was a very lean type 1 diabetic because she would skip on her insulin to basically pee out the calories. She was literally killing herself, in the hospital multiple times a year, and she had men hanging around her like starving puppies.

2023-05-20T23:56:21+00:00

I'll admit some of the extreme examples of fitness are bizarre. Even when you look the fitness scene amongst men, the lower your body fat percentage is the better you actually do look tbh. It's not sustainable at all, but a man with like 8% body fat and bulging muscles and proper fat distribution looks like a superhero. This is why so many fitness youtubers have pictures that make them look shredded, but they don't look like those pictures all the time in real life. For whatever reason, there's definitely some evolutionary quirk that attracts us to extremely aesthetic bodies even if they are not totally "healthy", and this applies to women to some degree as well.

This being said, I think this post is a bit unfair, inaccurate in characterizing men's interests and sounds pretty bitter tbh. Why shouldn't men want ideals? Like, don't women have fantastical ideals too? Like the amount of women who want a young (generally 25-35 years old), rich, tall, really fit, charismatic, smart, funny, dominant and assertive, but also charming and romantic man is absurd at this rate haha. But you know what, I accept that women want these things generally and just do the work to check as many of those boxes as I can. Men generally want a kind, caring woman who's kind of fit, and even then most men these days date pretty average weight/slightly overweight women.

I'm not a fan of the red pill, but this nugget of truth is real in that movement: Men these days don't have much of a say in what their preferences should be, and men are shamed for not wanting certain things like overweight women. It's utterly ridiculous and major reason that movement popped off last year.

Shoddy-Donut-9339 · 2023-05-21T00:29:29+00:00

Men liked chubby Rubenesque women when the health problem of most women was being too skinny from being too poor.

Now that the health problem of most women is being overweight men prefer skinny women.

I do think men prefer women who will be healthy enough to raise a child for 15 years with under harsh conditions with her husband being dead and of no help.

_here_ok · 2023-05-21T00:40:57+00:00

People in general won't care about actual health unless told it's unhealthy because what is considered healthy is usually based on instinct before education.

What a man or women find appeasing/ attractive doesn't mean jack shit in terms of health but they will insist unless told otherwise.

It's the same thing people do towards spiders, and other things. A spider may bring forth feelings of disgust or fear but that doesn't mean that the spider is a determent to ones own health/livelihood. In fact a lot of spiders help as pest control.

These people are using the excuse, " hey it makes me feel good so it must be good" just like how one will use "it makes me feel bad so it must be bad."

The difference is that the former is denial + addiction while the latter is addiction + avoidance.

boredredditmann · 2023-05-21T01:10:52+00:00

Thick chicks are hot as hell with some muscle under it, otherwise it's just sloppy

NeedALiver · 2023-05-21T01:31:36+00:00

Being skinny is a natural state for humans. This post is just skinny shaming.

Da_Famous_Anus · 2023-05-21T09:06:15+00:00

Women don’t actually care if men are healthy either.

https://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/atrial-fibrillation/news/20220603/being-tall-may-increase-risk-several-diseases

Reptheft · 2023-05-21T10:24:01+00:00

Being thin only approaches the level of unhealthiness of being fat if the individual looks visibly emaciated. And at that point men would be just as avoidant of the woman.

Being averagely thin is far healthier than being averagely fat.

And plenty of men aren't fans of plastic surgery or implants either.

bison5595 · 2023-05-21T10:50:40+00:00

Yea, we should just say that skinny or aesthetically pleasing to look at than fat women. I don’t know why we have to dress it.

golfer_dave · 2023-05-21T11:47:37+00:00

Gym girls tend to have a healthy amount of fat and muscle on them. Unless you're talking about female body builders, which are incredibly rare. Those women are usually pinning test/taking anabolics.

Ecstatic-Status9352 · 2023-05-21T20:27:17+00:00

I think both genders have no idea what they actually want

Inabind369 · 2023-05-21T23:55:11+00:00

What a straw man. Men prefer healthy women.

Another comment referenced that the average woman being 5’4 weighs 170 lbs. That’s fucking huge and absolutely unhealthy.

Unless a woman is packing some serious muscle I don’t think a women 6’ or shorter should weigh more than 160 lbs. I think the standard for healthy weight for women is like 100 lbs at 5’ and +5 lbs for every inch above 5’. That’s perfectly reasonable.

Women should weigh nowhere near as much as men because y’all don’t have the muscle mass we do. All the extra weight, unless you’re exceptional muscular, is usually fat.

Y’all should be grateful you are smaller and should weigh less. Do you have any idea how much more expensive it is to feed yourself as a large man? I’m 6’6 190 lbs and I feel pretty thin. Just to maintain my weight I spend $600 a month on groceries. If I’m trying to gain weight it’s closer to $800. My GF gets away with spending $250-300 a month on food and she’s 6’. Idk how y’all women who are huge eat so damn much cause I struggle to eat 4000 calories of eggs, oatmeal, fruit, beans, quinoa, chicken, fish, nuts, and greens a day. Then again y’all probably eat processed foods with tons of sugar cause you eat whatever you like ignoring the consequences.

So get out of here with your straw man argument and eat some real unprocessed food. Maybe you’ll get healthier and less bitter. Sweets don’t make you sweet, veggies do.

I’m American and I look at my fellow Americans with disgust at their weight and eating habits. Bunch of pre-diabetic walking heart attacks.

BunnyFlopped · 2023-05-22T03:31:05+00:00

I think people are underestimating how vicious both men and women can be.

I used to be anorexic, and I was also underage during that stretch of my life. I received a ton of male attention despite my age by teachers, students, strangers, friends of my family, etc.

I have been a healthy weight on the smaller side for the last 5-6 years. People have varying opinions.

I have been told that I am too thin, too flat chested, too fat, too curvy and anything you could possibly think.

Hell, I’ve even had a partner of mine complain that my breasts were too big and I am too tall (I’m 5’4).

People will just say dumb shit sometimes I’m not really sure why everyone seems to think OP’s opinion doesn’t correspond with reality.

SteveSan82 · 2023-05-22T05:32:46+00:00

Pump n dump unhealthy girls. LTR healthy ones

KamuiObito · 2023-05-22T11:34:20+00:00

Men don’t actually gaf about any of these small dumb fake deal breakers..women are in the door Regardless.

Title	Men dont actually care about a women being healthy
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Date	May 20, 2023 11:55 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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