Women grossly exaggerate the prevalence of drink spiking

AntonioSLodico · 2024-08-16T20:28:19+00:00

It seems like the takeaway might be more that alcohol alone can be a helluva drug. Blaming it's effects on spiked drinks can give a false sense of security to people who watch their drinks closely all night.

Comfortable-Dare-307 · 2024-08-17T06:33:50+00:00

I've had my drink spiked before and I'm a guy. Nothing happened (I think) because I was with two friends who took me home.

Everyone should use caution when around strangers, especially at a bar. I like the women's anology of, if you have s bowl of M&Ms and you know two of them were poisoned, would you still take a handful?

If it causes undo paranioa, who cares. Better safe then sorry. I'm cautious around men and women at bars, if I go that is. Like I said I've had a drink spiked. And I have also been sexually harrased at bars by women. I was even assaulted once when a drunk woman grabbed my crotch.

NoDanaOnlyZuuI · 2024-08-16T23:22:58+00:00

We teach kids stranger danger but somehow think that as adults everyone is a friend we haven’t met yet?

Odds are slim that my house will be broken into but I still lock my doors

Chances are I won’t get hit by a car crossing the street but I still look both ways

The odds of me winning the lottery are infinitesimal but I still buy the occasional ticket

Unless the odds are zero, there’s no harm in being cautious.

AlmostKindaGreat · 2024-08-16T20:17:54+00:00

Even if it’s true I’m not sure what the takeaway is. It still can happen and it’s still a good idea to be wary of it. It also happens to men, though usually for the purpose of theft.

Anxious_Cicada3234 · 2024-08-16T20:27:24+00:00

None of that is gonna stop me from watching my drink. I’ve had it happen to people I know so maybe I’m biased.

justsomelizard30 · 2024-08-16T23:04:02+00:00

"A study of patients presenting to an emergency department having had a “spiked drink”"

Isn't the point of a date rape drug is that the victim isn't aware enough to seek emergency services? Seems like a poor population to study.

NockerJoe · 2024-08-17T01:08:54+00:00

Maybe its just me but the only woman I've ever known to have taken GHB took it recreationally, and even then her boyfriend left her over it.

I think the problem with testing for roofies is a rapist needs a plug willing to get them roofies after 20 years of it being a known rape drug. There are plenty of party drugs that are also sedatives out there that you can probably get way easier without it being obvious you're using it as a rape drug, and wouldn't ping immediatley to an observer as "a rapist did this".

I'm not saying it doesn't happen but academics idea of what drink spikers are doing seems to be from 20 years ago when roofies weren't made way harder to get while other drugs were made legal or proliferated much more widely.

sublimemongrel · 2024-08-16T23:04:50+00:00

I was roofied once. Was on my second drink and then don’t remember anything else at all. Friends took me home I had to be carried and they told me I was like a rag doll. Also threw up in the car (but again no recollection of that whatsoever). Didn’t go to the hospital until late the next day and all they did was a sexual assault exam. Thankfully was negative. But given the hours that had passed even if they had taken blood and done tox nothing probably would have shown up that shit doesn’t stay in your system long.

I found out later this bar (which ironically I was there for a school related bar review event) was known for this type of thing.

I would imagine your studies don’t take into account a number of similar situations where they didn’t get to the hospital that quickly because they just blacked out completely. I mean that’s kindof the goal with these types of drugs isn’t it?

a_minty_fart · 2024-08-16T20:37:40+00:00

I don't really enjoy this kind of thing.

Sure, it's a statistical improbability but it absolutely can happen and the same kinds of men who would present these studies are also the ones who crow about "personal responsibility" to women when they get raped.

No thanks.

EugeneCezanne · 2024-08-16T22:10:21+00:00

A couple of things come to mind. One is that a generally undetectable way of spiking a drink would just be to add more alcohol to it. Another is that "people who go to the ER" might itself be an oversample of paranoia.

Slipthe · 2024-08-16T20:11:37+00:00

There's probably only like a 2% chance I'll get struck by lightning if I'm next to a tree, but I'm still not gonna stand next to a tree in a lightning storm.

Vigilance is the best thing a woman can do to protect herself around strangers. That offends you, but I think it's preferable that some men are offended vs some women being dead.

LaPrimaVera · 2024-08-17T07:04:48+00:00

Only one of these studies has a large enough sample size to even be relevant but I'm going to ignore that because the overall point, that women overestimate the risk of drink spiking, is true and discussing the exact number has no real baring on the conversation.

Fact is humans survive because we all overestimate the likelihood of something happening if the consequences are severe (look up negativity bias, it affects men and women roughly equally). The consequences of drink spiking is high (likely rape, but also risks of death due to overdose or a reaction to the drug) so we are going to be more aware and more cautious of this.

leads to greater collective female paranoia and unwarranted hostility and suspicion towards men.

Does it though? I mean we also over estimate the likelihood of a plain crashing but most of us don't have irrational hate towards the airline industry.

cornersfatly · 2024-08-16T20:04:15+00:00

“Women need to stop complaining about rape and assault. If you keep yourself safe there’s no danger. Have some responsibility!”

“Women need to stop complaining about rape and assault. Being worried about spiking is making women paranoid and fuelling anti-male sentiment. It’ll probably never happen, stop being worried about it!”

Can’t win. Will keep watching my drinks.

My_House_on_Mars · 2024-08-16T20:19:54+00:00

So? why does this personally offend you?

If you are not going to spike their drink you shouldn't be thinking about it

MongoBobalossus · 2024-08-16T20:11:58+00:00

I mean, only one M&M in the bowl might be poisoned, but that doesn’t mean I’m gonna eat a handful.

Like anything, assume the worst and prepare for it.

LordShadows · 2024-08-16T21:21:47+00:00

It's one of these instances where I have to say this:

Women overestimate their chances to be abused, and men underestimate theirs. I've known a few guy who's drink have been spiked (verified at the hospital).

All of you stay careful and don't leave your drink alone.

optimistic_entropi · 2024-08-16T20:03:22+00:00

This is a vicious cycle, and leads to greater collective female paranoia and unwarranted hostility and suspicion towards men.

How funny.

Sensationalizing women's fear of drink spiking and claiming that women are incredibly paranoid and unfairly vilify men only to drop this little gem at the end.

10/10

Very funny

ughtheinternet · 2024-08-16T20:45:26+00:00

People show up at the ER for false alarms for tons of things.

It doesn’t look like these studies look at whether women who didn’t have their drinks spiked are still claiming they did after their ER visit, so I’m not sure what the moral panic is about. Are we gonna get offended that people go to the ER for a heart attack when it’s really a panic attack too?

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2024-08-16T20:23:06+00:00

All but the first link says "invalid response" when i clock on them.

So it shows that the standard date rape drugs are rarely used. As it says in the first article, alchol can also be used for sexual assault. It's a well known tactic where people make drinks stronger than they tell the person to get them drunk. Would that not constitute "spiking"?

starksoph · 2024-08-16T21:12:25+00:00

Nah, my dad told me never to take my eyes off my drink or leave it alone and I’ll continue to listen to that

Metalloid_Space · 2024-08-16T20:11:17+00:00

Don’t Rohypnol and GHB go out of the system relatively quickly? By the time someone comes to and makes it to a hospital, they are gone

EqualSea2001 · 2024-08-16T20:47:43+00:00

If your ego can’t handle me being more careful around drinks when we barely know each other, then it’s a win-win for both of us if we never see each other again 🤷🏻‍♀️

MistyMaisel · 2024-08-17T12:41:06+00:00

It happened to a friend of mine, the funny part, the drink wasn't meant for him, it was meant for another friend's wife. They were all on vacation, a strange man did the send a drink over to the table thing, she'd already had plenty so she gave the drink to my friend as they were leaving. They didn't get very far out of the place before he passed out and hit the curb. Had a concussion and everything. A really nasty one.

I can only imagine how much worse it could have been if they weren't in a group together and it gotten its real target.

I'll keep watching my drinks, thanks. A little paranoia never stopped me finding true love.

DankGhostPoster · 2024-08-16T22:53:13+00:00

Nobody:

OP: anyone else think women need to worry less about their drinks being spiked?

Lmao OP, you're on a list now. The fuck is this

obese_tank · 2024-08-16T20:53:17+00:00

So 9 out of 42 was still roofied just not with a depressant... by definition that's still spiked. Doesn't matter what drug it is

2024-08-16T20:23:45+00:00

I think what's going on is very obvious: women are incredibly paranoid and frequently suspect being "drugged" when in reality

How do you get to frequently?

The first is 36 negatives over an entire year in an ER. The last link is over a three year period for a lab that could serve all kinds of medical facilities.

What math do you use to determine if that’s a lot for “women?”

This is a vicious cycle, and leads to greater collective female paranoia

What’s the cycle? Women go to the ER and get told they aren’t drugged… and that makes them more paranoid??

MyLastBestChance · 2024-08-16T21:30:12+00:00

And how about all of the women who are ruffied and never go to the ER? Who just try to move on because there’s nothing else that they can do about it?

It doesn’t need to be common for women to guard against it and, realistically, guarding against it reduces the prevalence which is a good thing.

Until men start having behavior-binding forehead tattoos publicly advertising their stance on it, we’ll just keep policing our drinks. Remind me how that hurts men?

attendquoi · 2024-08-16T20:30:14+00:00

I've had my stuff spiked. I'd rather be cautious than her SAed again.

LiteraryPhantom · 2024-08-17T01:42:58+00:00

I once left my drink (pint of Guinness) unattended in a crowded bar. It was my turn at the table, I didnt have a shot, so I gave it a try and went back to my table. Gone maybe 60 seconds? In that time, someone deposited a cigarette into my glass.🤢 No one in my group was a smoker.

No one should leave their drink unattended, ever. There’s no reason to.

Professional_Chair28 · 2024-08-17T01:48:31+00:00

Women grossly exaggerate the prevalence of drink spiking

Or the public awareness has worked properly and women are actively careful with their drinks while in public. This data doesn’t prove what you think it does lol

SleepyPoemsin2020 · 2024-08-17T03:52:28+00:00

Plenty of people have raised issues with what your studies actually prove or show so I won't go down that route.

So, what is your proposal to solve this alleged problem? Women acting like no man could possibly ever drug them and not protecting their drinks? For the women who still get drugged and raped....you'll definitely believe them then....right?

SaBahRub · 2024-08-16T21:27:19+00:00

So, are we supposed to choose better or not ?

Sharp_Engineering379 · 2024-08-16T23:52:26+00:00

Have you seen any social media videos of how men react to women refusing drinks?

I rarely drink more than a beer and I won’t accept a drink from a man, but men’s wildass overreaction to women refusing a proffered drink or an opened beer tells the whole story.

Women know why men try to give them alcohol. Even if no date rape drugs existed, you guys know the motivation is clear.

ConanTheCybrarian · 2024-08-16T21:03:07+00:00

even if this data were a representative sample size of all women who drink beverages around other people (which it is not; so it essentially means nothing):

how does it impact you?

Since people do spike drinks, it's normal for women to be cautious.

How does our caution have anything to do with you or any other man, as long as none of you are drugging us?

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GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B · 2024-08-16T22:15:58+00:00

The problem is real, but the other real problem is alcohol and that is much larger. It can and will fuck you up, and people need to understand this. I love a good drink, but sometimes, it takes less than usually. The effects can be delayed and hit you like a truck, especially with the style of drinks that are popular with women. Among guys, we just say: He drank it all himself, stupid mofo. Or: Had too much, never drinking again? See you next week. We don’t automatically assume some did something to our drink. Alcohol is a drug, a poison. It can be lovely but it is dangerous.

Hard_Corsair · 2024-08-16T22:52:02+00:00

I think what's going on is very obvious: women are incredibly paranoid and frequently suspect being "drugged" when in reality it's just the symptoms of their own voluntary alcohol/recreational drug consumption.

I'm going to have to side with the women on this one. It's not "incredibly paranoid" to be vigilant when there's even the slightest possibility of an intolerable scenario. Telling women that they're exaggerating the danger of drink spiking reminds me of all the bad arguments for disarmament that responsible gun owners have to deal with.

Useful-Landscape1087 · 2024-08-16T23:18:46+00:00

The only link that works has a very small sample size. Two it is crazy how you take the question of whether or not women are getting drugged or not and end up with men being the victim

-royalmilktea- · 2024-08-17T02:43:42+00:00

Any depressant spiked in a drink is dangerous. Why are you acting like it only really counts if it's GHB or roofies? They're hard to get nowadays because of their reputation.

obviousredflag · 2024-08-19T10:21:12+00:00

I think what's going on is very obvious: women are incredibly paranoid and frequently suspect being "drugged" when in reality it's just the symptoms of their own voluntary alcohol/recreational drug consumption.

Women live on attention. They get a lot of attention for being victims of men who spike their drinks with date rape drugs. They become heroes for bringing attention to this issue on social media. If anyone thinks that some women would not lie to get this level of attention and victim status, they are insane. It's like thinking some men are not going to lie to get sex.

Whoreasaurus_Rex · 2024-08-16T21:03:45+00:00

Until it happens to you, fool.

TheCounsellingGamer · 2024-08-16T21:30:30+00:00

I'm struggling to see what you're arguing here. Are you arguing that women shouldn't be cautious when they're out drinking? If you leave your door unlocked then it's unlikely that someone will come and steal your stuff, but no one would say locking your door makes you paranoid.

As a side note everyone should be cautious when they're out drinking. Men can have their drinks spiked just as easily as women. Don't leave your drink unattended and don't accept a drink from a stranger when you didn't see it being made.

daskeleton123 · 2024-08-16T22:14:52+00:00

The large majority of spiking is done by just making alcoholic drinks stronger I.e. adding a double shot instead of a single or adding a shot or two to a glass of wine.

This likely happens more than enough to be a worry for women

dread_pirate_t · 2024-08-17T09:49:33+00:00

Ex bouncer here, it’s anecdotal but I can attest to having seen this many times.

Usually it’s when people drink too much too quickly on an empty stomach and do something dumb and make an ass of themselves.

I was spiked is easier to explain to spouses/parents/colleagues than I got hammered in two hours and cheated/threw up/slapped Melissa from accounts.

We’d often get angry interested parties or the police demanding action and when we checked the tapes there was of course nothing to find.

Flightlessbirbz · 2024-08-17T01:04:09+00:00

Let’s not forget that alcohol itself can BE a date rape drug in high enough amounts, and is almost certainly the most common one. I’m not saying two people hooking up while a little drunk is rape, but if someone is unable to walk straight, slurring their words, clearly confused, etc., they can’t consent. It doesn’t matter if the consumption was voluntary, voluntary alcohol consumption doesn’t equal consent to sex.

So yeah it’s never a bad idea to watch your drink, it’s a smart precaution that’s easy to take. But it’s also important to watch how many drinks you have if you’re alone or with people you don’t fully trust. And of course, not to have sex with anyone who is obviously very intoxicated.

Men are always talking about how women need to “take accountability,” so we will continue to take accountability by watching out for our safety even if it hurts some feelers. Men also need to take accountability if they’re so afraid of “false” accusations.

apresonly · 2024-08-16T20:14:54+00:00

the vast majority of r-pe doesn't include drink spiking.

so when people talk about preventing drink spiking as if it "prevents r-pe" in any meaningful way, they are full of shit.

Intelligent_Wind3299 · 2024-08-16T20:21:00+00:00

is it common? I guess so. i don't think there's a way to accurately test its prevalence.

nightsofthesunkissed · 2024-08-16T23:38:53+00:00

It isn't like drink spiking is a myth though. It still happens.

And if I'm getting drunk in a nightclub environment, what good is it going to serve me to keep my beverage uncovered and unguarded? Potential predators will clock that vulnerability and could absolutely act on it.

And so just a little bit of paranoia - just enough so that I guard my drink - could save my life.

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yptheone · 2024-08-16T22:04:17+00:00

In my lifetime I've seen way more women drug or get em drunk then take advantage then any men.

xxTheMagicBulleT · 2024-08-17T03:54:43+00:00

It's with a lot of things that's the case. The more you feel about something. And the more you talk about it. Does not make the actual problem bigger. Just make it seem like it is a bigger problem cause everyone seems to talk about it. And that's the hive mind problem.

Why if you go by case by case basis. That it happens ofcourse is a bad thing. But not the massive problem that it happens all the time that it make it seem.

And the problem with it that they rarely realy want to make easy clear solutions. That wil make the problem less likely to happen. Often they just wanna blame a collective group cause of the rare few rotten apples.

People seem to very quick to push the blame on a whole group by the actions of a very few.

What create a big divide between people. And if you vilify people that are innocent of anything yet acused of things it's easy to see why people are less likely to jump too people's aid when things do go wrong.

Cause people will remember when you wronged them and people do hold more grudges then people give them credit for.

And if you don't want to have the deeds of the worst few of your sex or race pushed on you all the time. Yet people can't give others the same respect. And people will remember that.

Why people say you get back what you give.

And there some terrible and bad people out there. But can we not just see terrible people. Why of a man did this see how terrible men are. Ow 1 women did this. Look all women are the same. And on and on.

Just see people as people. Bad people and good people.

purplish_possum · 2024-08-18T07:07:37+00:00

Women suck at risk assessment.

The most dangerous part of going out is driving to and from the location of your date.

greekgawdz · 2024-08-19T07:27:10+00:00

2% is in 1 in 50....which is actually pretty high.

2024-08-19T14:50:46+00:00

It's telling that we keep hearing about the "rape culture" on campus and yet - not allowing alcohol to be served at parties on campus or allow drinking on campus is somehow never a proposed solution.

kingofgama · 2024-08-19T17:40:09+00:00

So as someone who used to frequently get black-out drunk, I think the issue is actually really obvious. Alcohol isn't always metabolized the say way, and really in fact Alcohol is pretty Damm similar to a date rape drug itself.

Especially for women who on average have significantly smaller livers, two over poured drinks and a lack of a meal beforehand can lead to a massive difference in blood alcohol level. Speed, potency, and uptake are all massive factors in how drunk you can get. I could drink 20 beers over a day no problem, but 20 beers in an hour? Not a good idea at all. Hell, even downing just 3 at once has got me plastered.

Mix in the fact that drunk likes to stay drunk, you may not even realize you downed another 2 while already teetering on a brown-out. Really I think a lot of it comes from under estimating alcohol itself.

2024-08-19T22:34:59+00:00

Right now I'm thinking of that man in Britain who had over 200 victims, strangers that he drugged --- and the only reason he was caught and prosecuted for 200 was because he filmed every one of them.

Otherwise, he would have been maybe, maybe not, charged with only 1.

True number: 200+

Tip of the iceberg phenomena.

VWGUYWV · 2024-08-20T19:49:57+00:00

Sometimes people drink too much, do something bad, and then say their drink was spiked.

taracauc · 2024-09-10T22:20:45+00:00

The most common form of drink spiking is with alcohol. Adding more to drinks, to get someone more intoxicated.

biscuitcatapult · 2024-08-16T20:14:13+00:00

I mean this was pretty obvious. From my days partying a lot in my 20s, there are a lot of women who get blackout drunk and can’t remember much the next day. Instead of taking accountability for their actions and say they drank too much, they say something like “I must have been drugged or something, I never black out like that when I drink!”

No, it’s because you insisted on multiple rounds of rumplemintz shots.

But if women want to take measures to protect themselves, I don’t see a problem with it. Just stop pushing the narrative that all men are trying to drug and rape you.

A_real_keeper_LOL · 2024-08-16T21:25:18+00:00

100% but they can’t claim they are the victim of male sexual crimes if they actually cite the real statistics of things.

Chance_Journalist_34 · 2024-08-17T12:05:19+00:00

I think the issue is more directly related to women's predisposition towards social contagions. My daughters both tell me how incredibly common they feel date rape drugs are in the UK, alongside the belief they hold of the needle injection spiking they swear is common. Despite that being understood to have been a hoax.

Now im not at all concerned that this makes them cautious on a night out with friends. But it does seem to have had an effect on their ability to view men as people rather than predators. They lament their single status but they both have irrational fears of normal decent lads their age.

apresonly · 2024-08-16T20:14:45+00:00

the vast majority of rape doesn't include drink spiking.

so when people talk about preventing drink spiking as if it "prevents rape" in any meaningful way, they are full of shit.

bIuemickey · 2024-08-17T09:01:11+00:00

People are reading this in defensive mode and interpreting it in a very different way than anything you said.

We need to stop assuming all opinions from men are in bad faith with ulterior motives and need to be discredited.

They don’t care if the incorrect conclusion that they were drugged leads to more people assuming they were also, and leading to it becoming a thing men do often, and part of “how men are”, and it’s definitely because there’s a increasing amount of people writing about how terrible men are and how they’re want to harm women. Like there’s some innate quality for men to want to make women suffer?

KingofRheinwg · 2024-08-16T21:23:56+00:00

But you also have to consider that women on the internet are much more paranoid of drink spiking than women in real life.

I drink regularly in public places with 5-6 women and probably a dozen more than a few times, and from that sample size, one asks me to use my phone to cover her drink when she's away from the table and even she doesn't come off as that serious about it.

It seems more like a thing that gets pulled out for "oh you think you've got it bad?"

David-Metty · 2024-08-16T23:13:16+00:00

Yes they do. Just about any tranquilizer or sleeping pill is doctored with a bittering agent that is so bad, you would not even be able to swallow the sip you took. Of course, pressed pills could be used, but the active ingredients are still not very soluble in water or ethanol (at least it would take a bit to dissolve). When we listen to descriptions of the ordeal from the alleged victim, we hear descriptions of drugs that don’t even exist.

SOwED · 2024-08-17T00:11:49+00:00

I've definitely had a couple instances where girls told me they think they were drugged then told me about their night and it sounded like they just drank enough to black out.

I've unfortunately been drugged, though not clear as to why. Why am I so confident? Cause I had one drink then blacked out.

heretodebunk2 · 2024-08-17T01:11:01+00:00

I'm just saying if I was a non-consentual sex enjoyer or a permanent property borrowing facilitator, I would target short, weak men, as they seem to be way less neurotic and delusional than women about this shit and less likely to freak out.

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