The Red Pill perpetuates itself by setting men up to fail

FreitasAlan · 2024-12-25T19:37:42+00:00

The red pill doesn’t say that at all. In fact, the most common criticism of the red pill is the fact they almost claim everything can improve if you just hit the gym.

Embarrassed-Tune9038 · 2024-12-25T19:34:04+00:00

A simple reality. Some men are so deeply screwed they may be virgins their entire life.

SuckingMuffin · 2024-12-25T18:37:56+00:00

Red Pill started off genuinely helping men to change their attitudes to becoming more traditional. Which women tend to respond to really well.

But these days, RP is just gathering a gaggle of whores around a table and screaming at them for three hours for your viewers to revel in while also spending God knows how much on their onlyfans afterwards.

weenieandthebutt · 2024-12-25T19:29:35+00:00

Just as there's different branches of feminism (mainstream, second wave, third wave, intersectional, radfem, TERFs etc), redpill isn't some monolith.

Redpill personally has helped me a ton with my life that most of bluepill were useless with (despite having liberal ideals at the time as well). Early redpill preached about the importance of frame and it didn't matter if you were 5'4" or whatever.

It's Blackpill that's more defeatist and eventhough I do preach that looks matter a lot more than what our politically correct society like to admit, I have seen legit decent looking men who do give up or withdraw from trying to find a woman.

Which-Inspector1409 · 2024-12-25T17:47:22+00:00

This is my situation. Some of us are just too ugly and / or neurodivergent for women to have genuine attraction.

kvakerok_v2 · 2024-12-25T21:14:09+00:00

I find it hilarious to read this type of gaslighting when tiktok is filled to the brim with targeted toxic bullshit that eggs women on to leave relationships and break up marriages using the exact same criteria that red pill lists as Chad requirements.

Are you telling us to not believe our lying eyes? That's preposterous.

I know a guy who's an absolute blue pill, charming tall, etc etc, had an amazing loving happy family. His soon to be ex got hooked on bullshit social trends and they're divorcing in less than a year. He still loves her, but the poor guy doesn't understand that she's gone. Her brain is now permanently warped by the whatever shit she's putting in it.

Putting that aside, red pill clearly lists the desirable traits that ARE under men's control. Improving one's physical fitness, one's career, one's grooming, one's dressing habits, all of that can be done. It gives sub 6' men a fighting chance in dating.

In regards to the last 6 in 666:

To my average bros, stories about >6" are total bullshit, women get scared by a huge cock just as easily as enticed. When a girl bursts into tears and runs out of the bedroom after you drop your pants, it's doesn't feel like a win at all.

BobtheArcher2018 · 2024-12-25T17:49:48+00:00

Well, much of the manosphere is overdone and inaccurate. But you seem to be suggesting a certain kind of irrational self-confidence is better than internalizing the precise truth. At least at times.

treadmarks · 2024-12-25T19:55:08+00:00

Fundamentally, the Red Pill tells you that if you are "low value", your situation is irretrievable. You will always struggle to find a partner and when you do, they will always be tempted to run off with Chad.

Another person who doesn't know what the red pill actually says, making something up to demonize the red pill

You are describing black pill, not red pill

Cry-Healthy · 2024-12-25T17:53:40+00:00

But the alternative is to do no work towards yourself and improve. That means dating is not your priority since you are not the type of man women like and are unwilling to be him, because you want someone to love you without you bringing something to the table (love you for you). Ask yourself if that's fair to the woman in question.

Puzzleheaded_Card_71 · 2024-12-25T22:07:05+00:00

Most red pilled men become red pilled after bad experiences when doing the blue pilled thing utterly failed, and as they did more and worked harder to please, it just got worse. So no, it does not set up men to fail.

All the red pill tells men is the truth, stripped of delusion. Looks, money and status matter. Being fun and charming matters. You have to work hard and max yourself to improve your chances with the opposite sex.

It’s not a extreme or radical thing but in a world where media tells men just be yourself, put her first, and that all male desires and personality traits in relationships are selfish and evil which must be suppressed, it’s a good message.

LapazGracie · 2024-12-25T18:42:20+00:00

Most moderate red pillers advocate for becoming the best version of yourself.

If you're struggling with dating that is good and sound advice.

InitialPaths989 · 2024-12-25T18:07:01+00:00

Red pill is a guy saying I’m red pill and talking openly about women without being pc. That’s all it is, there’s no strict guidebook. I was told their kinda was one from a blog many years ago. Now it’s just a moniker for clicks. A red pill guy might offer great advice or he might not, and that could be different per guy.

ArdimAtaraxia · 2024-12-25T18:51:51+00:00

Fundamentally, the Red Pill tells you that if you are "low value", your situation is irretrievable. You will always struggle to find a partner and when you do, they will always be tempted to run off with Chad.

I'm pretty sure I just read the motto of the black pill, and not the red pill, but whatever. This place loves misconstruing everything that doesn't fit their narrative.

99TimesAround · 2024-12-26T00:55:34+00:00

Strawman. This whole piece only reflects the way You fell, not the way things are. During the halcyon days of the red pill sub, before it was quarantined it was a vibrant and busy place. Countless broken or desperate men went there and got tough love and a realistic assessment of the dating culture. It was about accepting the reality then improving yourself to adapt. It was solid advice, looks maxing and learning game were a massive boost to the chances of men looking to get laid.

“Those who profit from it benefit from your failure”. I mean what on earth is this statement? All the mods and contributors were working for free to help broken/ desperate men. I can confidently state that lots of men were saved from terrible fates and depression due to following solid advice. What you are doing here is projecting your view of the red pill, a narrow, one shot attack that ignores the broad church that was the red pill.

Of course we live in a gynocracy so people who still believe mainstream lies and Hollywood nerd get the girl fantasies will react. Also your premise is nonsense! Red pill “perpetuating itself” it was quarantined! The posts get basically no attention at all. Also the premise it sets men up to fail is garbage. Lots and lots of men went there, started lifting and learning game and changed their lives! How is that setting someone up for failure? So no, no and no to all of your assertions,

TheNattyJew · 2024-12-25T23:40:07+00:00

I am not a red piller and even I know that this is not what the red pill says. As I understand it the red pill is just a tool box that contains two pillers. #1, things you have been told about the dating market are not necessarily true. #2, It contains a number of ideas to make you as attractive as possible to maximize your success.

Nowhere does it say that if you are ugly you are permanently fucked

Plenty_Patience_5491 · 2024-12-26T11:11:13+00:00

I'm not getting down on myself because a bunch of dumbass entitled princesses can't use me, I already had an entitled princess use me up, she's called my ex wife, never again. As innocuous as that statement I just made is, people would take issue with it, and that's the problem. EDIT (Because reverse the genders, "Oh a dumbass entitled man child can't use me, I already had one use me up, he was called my ex husband, never again." I bet NO ONE would find issue with that, so why find issue with my statement?) The "I'm an unfuckable loser" mentality, not a winning one, instead, I suggest you change cultures, fuck American Capitalistic bullshit culture anyway, it's time is done, it's slowly, really not that slowly now, dying. Nothing left but rage and all the poors fighting over bullshit like race and gender relations, while the wealthy sneak out the back with the bag and loot the treasury. This country will be an utter shit hole in about 3 years and we'll still be at each others throats while the rich are sipping drinks on the beach. Point is, we are all going insane because the consumerism has lived FAR past it's viability and now it's Late Stage Capitalism trying to sane wash the insane asylum and you'll have nothing but problems when you do that. That's why the gender roles and all that don't work anymore, they were created for a society that stopped existing almost 100 years ago. All we have left is cinder.

Left-Ad3578 · 2024-12-25T18:21:59+00:00

While many of the individual behaviours team RP advocates for are in fact “good” (for various reasons) at least some of this effect is generated by giving adherents a sense of control over their respective situations.

What is categorically bad about RP, is how incredibly dehumanising it is to women; women are treated as hyper-simplistic objects, governed by no more than a handful of animalistic desires and denied absolutely any moral agency at all. An anecdote of a shitty woman is generalised to all women. And so on.

Set goals, get money, deadlift: 110% on board with this. But I find the reductive female psychology galling. And I fear that ultimately it propagates a far more insidious idea: that your only value “as a man” is based on what women think of you.

SkylineRSR · 2024-12-25T17:47:50+00:00

I understand the point you’re trying to make but this seems to be a misrepresentation of the red pill and not at all what it pushes. You mention self fulfilling prophecies, self worth and self confidence are one of the most talked about aspects of the red pill. What you’re describing is grifter content.

-angels-fanatic- · 2024-12-25T17:58:52+00:00

This is black pill you’re describing, not red pill.

Red pill simply says that despite what blue pill society tells you that being kind is enough to be attractive, that’s a lie and you need to improve yourself physically, socially and financially to become an attractive man. That attraction is non negotiable and if you want to get a girlfriend, you need to put in the work to be attractive.

Equal_Connect · 2024-12-25T22:05:38+00:00

I keep falling into the red pill because i feel like thats what you need to do to get a girlfriend that will be loyal and not cheat on you. Then i realize most dudes arent even that good looking (they still mog me) and they have girlfriends and shit.

nnuunn · 2024-12-25T22:54:44+00:00

That sounds more like the Black Pill than the Red Pill to me. The Red Pill is about teaching guys how to be high value, the black pill says you'll never be high value no matter what you do.

BearSpray007 · 2024-12-25T17:56:21+00:00

If something is true NOT “subscribing to it” doesn’t make it NOT true.

-Shes-A-Carnival · 2024-12-25T18:44:33+00:00

this is literally the opposite of the red pill, this is the black pill

Material-Dark-6506 · 2024-12-26T15:13:36+00:00

But why are those guys failing in the first place then? The red pill is toxic….but it’s not wrong. Also, the logic you’re using could also be applied to the patriarchy and internalized misogyny. “Women don’t have power because they believe they don’t have power and perpetuate their own powerlessness. If women just sucked it up and ignored their lived experience so they could be confident they would smash the patriarchy”. The red pill stuff is a little true and a little nonsense like most things

Gold_Supermarket1956 · 2024-12-26T16:07:02+00:00

Redpill was about understanding that if you're a 5 you're a 5 but you can do things to improve your attractiveness like working out and putting on muscle may take you from a 5 to a 6 or 7 it was all about making the most of your potential by maximizing it.

The problem now is grifters have these podcasts where they only allow women with OF accounts or high Instagram followers on to give men the perception women are all whores.

Now does hypergamy exist sure, do most women practice it, most likely.

They don't really touch on the broader topics nor do they bring average dudes on the show to show women what an average dude actually looks like so they can talk about their experiences

SlashCo80 · 2024-12-25T20:02:13+00:00

Wouldn't call myself RP, but that view is more reflective of the blackpill, incel thinking that's permeated it lately. In the old days, Redpill was more about self-improvement and not putting women on pedestals.

TheRedPillRipper · 2024-12-25T20:21:46+00:00

Fundamentally, the Red Pill tells you that if you are “low value”, your situation is irretrievable.

No, it doesn’t. TRP, fundamentally, focuses upon what aspects are retrievable. It empowers agency, by providing sexual strategies towards attaining outcomes. It’s that simple.

ilikecats18851 · 2024-12-25T23:45:13+00:00

Blue pill perpetuates itself with a kafkatrap. "Women are attracted to morality and men who are useful for society's continuance" (demonstrably false) so if you can't get success? You didn't be nice enough bro. Start nicemaxxing. Bad boy succeeds? He's actually a sweetheart on the inside.

behappyfor · 2024-12-25T18:33:02+00:00

Red Pill is just copium by incels that couldn't get a job so they ended up gossiping about Stacies on internet and made a community on it on Internet

Desperate_Coat_5244 · 2024-12-25T17:57:12+00:00

Hmm, I’m certainly not a redpiller, but isn’t one of their main points that you can be valuable and worth a relationship? I don’t agree with their views on gender dynamics and how they go on about achieving their goals, but I do acknowledge the pull RP has, it gives them hope.

RealityCold4693 · 2024-12-25T18:07:52+00:00

Where does red pill tell you not to improve yourself

Kingozejungle · 2024-12-25T18:45:15+00:00

I think what you are describing is more black pill than red. The redpill aims to build all men up for success, the black pill states most men are fundamentally doomed. Creators like Casey Zander put information out that gives ANY guy, at ANY stage, a chance to substantially improve his game. Blue pill keeps the many guys who are stuck, stuck.

GloomyLocation1259 · 2024-12-25T19:48:30+00:00

That’s not what red pill really is or rather was. The issue is the black pillers, incels and grifters who want coaching or podcast money infiltrated the online spaces and polluted the messaging.

Back when I first heard in over a decade ago it was just people trying to improve in all parts of their lives, very optimistic and no BS talks of high value or SMV.

HappyCat79 · 2024-12-25T18:29:47+00:00

Taking this a step further- it destroys marriages. Middle aged men who swallow the red pill become increasingly toxic to their wives since they believe that their value is increasing while his wife’s value is decreasing. It leads to a great deal of entitlement on behalf of the husband which leads to him devaluing his wife. He gets resentful because he thinks he should be banging 20 year olds instead of his 40ish wife, even if she bore him children and has sacrificed her career to raise the kids, keep the home, and do everything to make his life easier so that he can build a business or advance in a career.

It also makes men super paranoid because they believe their wife is eventually going to leave the marriage. They end up driving good women away with their behavior and then they point and say “See! I knew she was planning to leave me eventually!” God forbid she finds a better man after leaving his ass! When she raises her standards and decides that she would rather be alone then be with a man who isn’t kind, respectful, crazy about her, attractive in her eyes, responsible and has his shit together- and she meets that man and they fall in love, he screams “Hypergamy! Monkey-branching!” Even if she met the guy well after leaving him, he will say it anyway.

It’s such a self-fulfilling prophecy. If only these dudes knew that their wife never wanted to leave him. She just wanted to be respected, wanted kindness, wanted appreciation and to be valued.

ArmorAbsMrKrabs · 2024-12-25T21:00:34+00:00

The idea that your situation is unfixable if you're low value is not red pill. It's black pill. Red pill is about accepting harsh truths mixed with self-improvement. Although granted, in manosphere spaces, the line between RP and BP is often blurred.

I think that for the lowest value of men, yes, their situation is almost unfixable. But I'm talking like the bottom 5-10% of men.

I think most men, if they self-improve and put effort into appearance and social skills, can achieve a relationship with at least an average looking girl. The problem is that most men are lazy and won't put in that effort.

I'm slightly above average (not way above average) in looks and I've had to fight tooth and nail to get an even remotely okay sex life, let alone if I was actually ugly. It's absolutely true that as a man nowadays, you're fighting an extreme uphill battle to succeed, and if you're not willing to put in the effort, you're toast unless you're already very socially skilled and/or physically attractive.

But I should point out that in my case, I have/had below average social skills with women, and am neurodivergent, which makes it harder, despite my physical SMV being above average.

And there's also the fact that I have standards. If I was willing to date girls less attractive than me, I could go on several dates a week. I don't want to, so I go on maybe 1-2 dates per month at most.

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emotion9610 · 2024-12-25T20:48:21+00:00

This post is so obviously written by a woman and is such a blatant misrepresentation of the red pill its not worth debunking.

Downtown_Cat_1745 · 2024-12-26T12:25:14+00:00

It’s a grift to make money off young, misogynistic men

ACE_Overlord · 2024-12-26T14:38:31+00:00

That's Black Pill ideology.

Red Pill Ideology: -●Not SIMP for women...EVER. Even if you are married. Retain your self-worth -●Not be taken advantage by women....even if you are here "Provider" and "Protector" -Maintain your masculinity at all times. -●If you are "Low Value"....GET VALUE!!! FOCUS ON YOURSELF!!! GET FIT.UP YOUR INCOME. DRESS BETTER. LOOKSMAXX. BE BETTER ABOUT HYGIENE. YOU ARE WHAT YOU WILL ATTRACT

"Attraction.isn't a choice." -MHD Channel

-●Beware of the tenets true nature of women such as Amorality, hypergamy, Dual-Mating strategy. If she attempts to screw you. GET RID OF HER.

VWGUYWV · 2024-12-26T17:13:19+00:00

I have no idea what the red pill is exactly now

However in the past the idea was to fix what you can and that improvement is possible

AlmostKindaGreat · 2024-12-26T18:59:37+00:00

"Red Pill" is so broad it's an almost meaningless term. Depending on what is in your head when you're saying this I either agree with you completely or not at all.

If you're talking about the endless stream of YouTube and other social media content I agree. I've hardly watched any of that stuff but it doesn't seem very useful and, yes, need to keep users coming back to make money.

If you're talking about the reading list on the sidebar of r/marriedredpill, for example, then I disagree. This is a collection of books, many of which the average Blue Piller would have no problem with, They helped me shut down my Nice Guy tendencies, stand up for myself, be more attentive to what actually attracts women, and satisfy women's expectations in dating and relationships. It helped me immensely. Furthermore, I got what I needed from it and I never go back anymore. It put me on the path to success and I have no need to go back.

I would not have found this book list or some of the helpful commentary around it without "Red Pill". There are things I would remove from the list that I think are too negative about women. The sub gets too negative about women. Any Red Pill forum is going to end up hating women too much and it's not something I can stomach. It's still a mixed bag, but that one part was invaluable.

This is why I say there should be "Purple Pill" resources (not just a debate sub) to give men useful information that can be difficult to glean from mainstream (Blue Pill) sources but without the women hating.

ExcelsiorState718 · 2024-12-26T20:15:58+00:00

So why where men failing before Redpill,why is the divorce rate so high amongst Boomers and Gen X pre redpill generations?

There are zero guarantees that you won't get divorced that your wife won't cheat or she didnt have a train ran on her in HS or that your children will be biologically yours,Relationships and marriage are incredibly risky and theres one aspect of the Redpill that highlights this,

Men should be aware of the risk.instead of the commeicial BS fantasy of love and Relationships that we've been fed for to long so we can waste our money in the diamond and wedding industry.

You can't fail by being Redpilled only awakened.

Extra-Intern6290 · 2024-12-26T21:16:17+00:00

Depends how they took the news

LordShadows · 2024-12-26T22:49:53+00:00

Defeatism, in general, increases the chances people will fail as they won't see the point in trying.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

But cynicism can make one more successful by giving up morality in actions to favour effectivity

To this end, the Red Pill can sometimes make people give up on morality and make them more successful by justifying the uses of other means.

But is what was given up worth it?

Is it better to be successful through disgusting immoral means or to be unsuccessful while maintaining ones moral code and integrity?

Different people will give different answers to this.

BigMadLad · 2024-12-26T23:40:22+00:00

I wouldn’t say inherently. A lot of the red pill is about self improvement, but the issue is just like children A lot of people don’t like homework. If you tell a guy he has to go to the gym, get a hair transplant, and whatever else a lot of of them just won’t do that. So they get salty, and find the content that blamed women.

There are a lot of grifters who get the money by saying it’s all women’s fault, but yet say enough things about how to get a woman to make cognitive dissonance. If you want a woman, but you’re not willing to do anything to get a woman, you will always be upset. The red pill about getting a woman and doing all you can to get a woman, as well as the red pill about blaming women and going away from women, are both consistent and usually not the problem. It’s when creators pick both and cause confusion.

Carbo-Raider · 2024-12-27T05:26:57+00:00

The mgtow area of Red pill is specifically who you're talking about. I'm mgtow, but I teach men to not set themselves up to fail by not even dating. Many mgtows take this stance. They have a saying, taken from the movie Wargames: "The only right move is not to play". If you don't play, you don't fail. Most would fail. 99% of relationships end, mostly at the call of women.

Sounds like you're gaslighting... as if men are creating this problem. But women have shown AND TOLD us.

LostWanderer88 · 2024-12-27T08:03:56+00:00

Why going to such extent when candidates to receive the RP always appear naturally in numbers?

ImDivorcin · 2024-12-27T23:13:51+00:00

The part of the equation youre failing to grasp is dudes are supposed to date AFTER their transformation into a high value man, which is supposedly obtainable for the vast majority of men through hard work.

I do have sympathy for your argument that low confidence is a self fulfilling prophecy, but that low confidence only effects men who read RP theory, believe it and yet take no action to better themselves.

Spirited_Cod260 · 2024-12-29T09:17:21+00:00

In a free dating marketplace life does indeed suck for unattractive guys. This is an obvious irrefutable fact.

Since there's no viable alternative to a free dating marketplace this situation is indeed pretty irredeemable.

Front_Statistician38 · 2025-01-10T22:17:02+00:00

Having met some red piller most are socially awkward, on the spectrum, some are dealing with depression or other sever mental health issues. For guys who are already socially adjusted and maybe need a confidence boost it makes sense but then you have the guy who is overweight, works a crappy job, and thinks he deserves a 10.

Delusional

Ziogatto · 2024-12-25T17:49:30+00:00

My goal is not getting divorceraped, so far its a great success.

Conscious-Sea9499 · 2024-12-25T19:09:32+00:00

Yeah, this is objectively true. Red pill has a lot of overlap with self improvement and general factual truth, such as the idea that being attractive and charismatic are important to dating, but it also gets a lot wrong about women, because the red pill also teaches men to generally view women as "less than" in a lot of ways, and the type of women attracted to red pill guys are generally never the types of women you'd want to marry. If it's any reconciliation, there is always a person out there for you, and if you keep looking you will find them. I know it seems hard, but keeping an optimistic view of the world is a whole lot easier than pessimism.

Dangerous_Unit_1238 · 2024-12-25T22:12:05+00:00

TRP is not as rigid as many of its detractors make it out to be, including OP.

I would greatly disagree on the OP definition of TRP being a worldview that says if you aren't a narrow range of characteristics you are permanently screwed.

I think the red pill is like spice you put on your food. No spice usually creates boring dishes that are not great. Drowning food in spice destroys the dish and overwhelms all other flavors.

TRP is a good framework for men to get a basic understanding of how the world and gender dynamics work. TRP is one of the few ideas that actually attempts to find a foundation if human and animal behaviorism to explain things that on the surface don't always make sense.

The issue with TRP is when people because black pilled and see TRP as an ultra deterministic thing that is always happening with no exceptions, or people are stuck how they are and have no hope for change if things are not working.

Kurkzer · 2024-12-26T02:43:57+00:00

I started getting sex when I said I wanted it, didn't particularly care about womens boundaries and rejected the idea they were either innocent or pure. Less investment in women results in better outcomes regardless of what the women here say.

My career, my income, my achievements also made a difference(and I benefit from my height too).

EssentialPurity · 2024-12-26T10:05:19+00:00

Counterpoint: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.

It is, just because one doesn't believe they can pull off a great dating life doesn't mean they actually can. This belief didn't form from a vacuum, it was formed by experiences and honest evaluation of those. Nobody simply woke up one day and said "Wouldn't it be cool if I was an awkward mess?".

Not even the Redpill was created this way. Men were not having a good time at dating when it was created, the difficulties were not invented by the Redpill. Otherwise it wouldn't have ressonated with as many men as it did. Negativity such as ragebait and doomerism works because they reflect reality. If things were good, people would simply not believe any bad news because they would be factually incorrect.

Also, please consider the impact of your words. Do you want unattractive schmucks to bother you because they conjured up a false confidence of that they can rizz you up?

mikush85 · 2024-12-25T18:38:18+00:00

It's a mind virus for sure.

lilbcyoungin1 · 2025-04-24T01:47:49+00:00

I laughed my ash off at the 1st paragraph🤣

behappyfor · 2024-12-25T18:33:35+00:00

Red Pill is just copium by incels that couldn't get a date and rather than improving themselves just started hating women instead

bread93096 · 2024-12-25T18:21:47+00:00

Implementing red pill strategies is how I got my first gf. Contrary to what many say, red pill is popular because it works, and many men have used those ideas to improve their dating lives.

throwaway164_3 · 2024-12-26T01:01:58+00:00

I strongly disagree.

The redpill helps men get laid.

I had all my relationships (both LTRs and casual) thanks to the redpill.

Seaside877 · 2024-12-26T01:22:12+00:00

what you're describing is black pill

red pill is recognizing that you have a lot you need to work on - and here's what you need to work on and how

throwawayofc1112 · 2024-12-26T01:27:51+00:00

L take

Flash_4_Crab · 2024-12-26T02:28:57+00:00

It's crazy how many people on here call Black Pill or Incel, Red Pill.

Red Pill says if your low value to raise your value through self improvement. Focus on yourself and the women will come. That's what Red Pill teaches. I don't think women care as much about Money as Red Pillers do, but almost everything else they say about Height, Fitness, Status, Rizz ect is true.

Red pill can lead guys into being single, but not because it makes them feel "Low value" but because it also teaches them to have boundaries and reject low value women. and frankly 2024 western society is filled with low value women.

Veselar · 2024-12-26T02:42:45+00:00

In your description, I see mentals from blackpill side

RelevantJackWhite · 2024-12-25T23:03:25+00:00

It's been a trip being in this sub, being married, and considering myself very average. This sub acts like I'm lucky like Luke doing the Death Star run, or that I'm some giga Chad that they can't possibly hope to replicate. I'm neither...I just don't buy into the bs here

Shadowcat1606 · 2024-12-26T02:21:57+00:00

"Self-fulfilling prophecies are a real thing. If you believe you're worthless, you will act accordingly, and you will be worthless. There is no point believing in the Red Pill if you want to lead a fulfilling life. You are bound to lose."

Okay, i know this might sound sarcastic or self-deprecating - and i will not deny that i'd definitely make comments in that vein - but i really mean this as a genuine question:

What if i START OUT as (romantically/sexually) worthless?

Because that's the problem i have with supposed self-fulfilling prophecies. Do they exist? Eh, sure, why not. But maybe some people aren't hopeless because they believe themselves to be hopeless, but because they actually are.

ControversialDebator · 2024-12-26T03:14:38+00:00

The Red Pill's strategy is short-term. It basically says "fuck as many women as possible and don't love them since they will inevitably cheat on you for Chad". Its very Zero-sum and says to Men that you can't keep a Women due to Hypergamy and so you might as well only work hard in order to gain as much Sex from Women. It's very Nihilistic and Shallow hence why I don't think there can really be MarriedRedPillers or RedPillers in Long-Term Relationships. However its very good at telling men how to manipulate women and have sex with them in the short term so I guess that's the appeal.

ErenYeagerwasright · 2024-12-26T05:49:43+00:00

The red pill is setting men up, by trying to shame men into being traditional. Because it will make sure they will keep their viewers and paypigs. Because those men will become bitter, when they find out that they remain traditional, yet there is no virgin traditional wife waiting for them.

Just created frustration and resentment, and makes sure their lives don't improve.

Choice-Relative-4546 · 2024-12-26T05:52:38+00:00

The entire redpill money comes from keeping men in a perpetual state of grind, if a redpill shill guru's customer base actually improved then they would go out of business. Why would you want them to improve for real and get a woman for once and for all, you lose a customer if your customer is successful and if your teachings actually work. Redpill shills are a scum of humanity. Redpill is not some divine truth, it just takes some individually desirable characteristics like wealth and status and makes men insecure about them so they perpetually keep 'improving' and subscribing to the redpill ideology and keep giving the redpill shills money, and dangling success with woman as the carrot on the stick.

ThanosSnapsSlimJims · 2024-12-25T17:52:25+00:00

You never find a relationship because you don't believe you can... because family, friends, people on Reddit, and other social media tell you that you can't, because 'insecurity/overly sensitive/overthink things', or whatever the other gaslighting phrases of the day is.

You never find a relationship because you don't believe you can... because they're acting not trustworthy.

You go on dates but they never progress to a stable relationship because of your lack of self-confidence or your partner is put off by your belief system due to you not wanting to have equal treatment and not be treated like crap.

Title	The Red Pill perpetuates itself by setting men up to fail
Author	idoze
Upvotes	71
Comments	435
Date	December 25, 2024 5:39 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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