If single women hit the wall and become ugly to men at 25-30, so do married women

r2k398 · 2025-04-12T23:28:22+00:00

My wife has aged but so have I. And she’s aged more gracefully than I have despite having our children. That makes her way more attractive to me.

dyinaintmuchofalivin · 2025-04-12T22:49:22+00:00

No normal man considers women to be unattractive once they turn 25. Sheesh.

ProtectionPolitics4 · 2025-04-13T02:51:50+00:00

Well news flash, women are not "hitting the wall" at 25-30.

You guys act like someone aging slightly and going from a 8/10 to 7.5/10 is the end of the world in dating.

Squat_TheSlav · 2025-04-13T07:58:10+00:00

If women "hit a wall" at 25-30, then what happens to guys at 35-40? They get "run over by a truck"? From my experience I've seen significantly more same age couples where the man "has dropped the ball" significantly earlier.

AllieTruist · 2025-04-12T22:38:18+00:00

Even as a RedPill guy, I can tell you women do not hit the wall between the ages of 25-30 lol.

The only thing is that women tend to lose more SMV after 30 because men and women have different preferences.

Bekiala · 2025-04-13T00:25:13+00:00

This is a great observation and also a reason to stay out of marriage and maybe even dating until you are older. As an over 25 or over 30 woman dating, there will be a self selecting system in place as men who are into really young women won't be interested.

freekin-bats11 · 2025-04-13T00:29:42+00:00

How do people genuinely believe that adults stop being attractive below their prime years lol..... at 25-30 youre basically just starting to figure shit out as an adult. Women still look pretty young at that age and some can still pass for teenagers. To me a person can only get more attractive after that age range before becoming elderly due to your body changing to have less features associated with childhood and more with adulthood, like a longer face and fuller fat distribution, and with age comes seasoning: wisdom, routine, etc.

If a (assumingly heterosexually attracted) man isnt attracted to his wife when he ages with her, hes probably being influenced by something to believe shes hit some sort of wall, like a porn addiction or weird ideological shift.

FearlessSea4270 · 2025-04-12T22:31:13+00:00

Good thing most people don’t think of fellow humans as purely aesthetic objects for their own viewing pleasure.?

potsmoking_princess · 2025-04-13T05:39:52+00:00

Signs of aging are not what make men or women unattractive. Plenty of older women with grey hair who take care of their bodies and skin are still seen as attractive. There is no “wall” and it especially isn't from 25 onward, that is absolutely ridiculous. People who don't take care of their bodies are unattractive to either gender. Look at beautiful men or women who overdo drugs and alcohol or don't bathe or clean themselves properly- people will still call them unattractive at 20 years old if they are skin and bones or have lost teeth. There isn't an age wall around taking care of yourself and it applies to both genders. To speak like only women have an expiry date based on age is ridiculous - there are 40+ year old women who are considered hot by the masses as well as 40+ year old men who are. Any wall of loss of attractiveness is biased to the person speaking about it, its not some universal standard, and it definitely doesn't only apply to women.

Peeloin · 2025-04-12T22:41:54+00:00

Single women do not become ugly at 25-30, 25-30 isn't old. I'd even argue that women who are 25-30 are often more attractive than women who are younger than 25.

ThrowRABigStoveTV · 2025-04-13T00:16:06+00:00

It’s ridiculous to think women hit a wall in terms of sexual attractiveness at 25 or 30.

Most people, I feel, can stay attractive well after that if they want to prioritize taking care of themselves. It gets harder the older you get - responsibilities, kids, some people get comfortable and complacent once they have someone. I do think that part is a problem.

Attraction is also about connection, and the older I get the more I can connect with people who are a bit older.

justdontsashay · 2025-04-12T22:38:17+00:00

Only men who fetishize youth actually think there’s a “wall” at 25. So the whole argument about it is stupid, most men don’t actually stop being attracted to women if they’re over 25 lol

fucksiclepizza · 2025-04-12T23:16:47+00:00

The wall isn't a thing, women aren't suddenly not hot just because they go from 29 to 30. Women can easily find a man no matter what their age.

DonkeyKong_CR · 2025-04-12T22:46:53+00:00

The concept of the wall is bullshit and i say that as a man in his thirties.

Sure women might be less attractive than when they were in their twenties but the amount of guys that glow down in their thirties is way superior to the women side.

Women tends to take care of their appearance, using skincare, protecting themselves from the sun... They look way better than most m'en in the same age group past 30+.

leosandlattes · 2025-04-12T22:43:02+00:00

Pick a good husband, water the grass in your relationship. No one should be worrying about the wall that way. That's just insane neuroticism.

_weedkiller_ · 2025-04-13T00:32:22+00:00

As I have aged I’ve started to find older people attractive. So someone who is 43, match when I was 23 they seemed really old and I didn’t view them in a sexual way, now I’m 38 they might be very sexually attractive to me. All that to say I think the wall is a load of rubbish.

Slow-Narwhal486 · 2025-04-12T22:52:06+00:00

I don't think all men think women who are 25-30+ are ugly and undatable. I wouldn't even say the majority are like that either, I think there are some keyboard warriors who say that shit on here, but they aren't representative of the majority.

I'm not married, but it's my understanding that most people get married for reasons other than appearance. The love you have for someone will make them more physically attractive to you.

John_Oakman · 2025-04-12T23:48:35+00:00

Since [presumably] you're operating on the assumption of the fabled hyper rational homo economicus, married women, by being married, wield the power of their social legitimacy, and that's usually enough to keep the provide type males in line.

That based & redpilled real men of the manosphere no longer desire them sexually (and thus [in theory] no longer prey upon them out in public) is a perk rather than a flaw.

Ego73 · 2025-04-13T19:41:43+00:00

For the hundredth time, hitting the wall isn't about no longer being attractive, but how women who want children will drastically lower their standards once they start running out of time.

2025-04-13T00:20:03+00:00

No woman alive will ever hit the wall. It’s not possible it doesn’t exist as long as men are horny there is someone who will take them in.

Superannuated_punk · 2025-04-13T03:53:54+00:00

As a mid 40s man - I say MILFs or GTFO.

No-Rough-7390 · 2025-04-13T13:37:29+00:00

Most guys have wife goggles.

Just don’t pull the pin on the fat grenade, keep the sex life intact, and there’s no issues.

SleepingInAt11 · 2025-04-13T00:55:08+00:00

I think you're missing something. "The Wall" is the general attention of majority of men. What sex is for men's is attention for women. In my belief that's why Karen's exist. They were the women that got attention masses men and are now being overlooked and can't handle it. Would you rather have the "masses of men that want to bang you" attention, or would you rather have "one man that would kill to protect his family" attention?

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the_jingster · 2025-04-12T23:21:02+00:00

The difference is, most married men don’t continue self improvement and instead go down with their wives, so they stay within their league.

Grow_peace_in_Bedlam · 2025-04-13T00:14:13+00:00

All I know is that I'm very, very attracted to my wife at 44 (and I'm seven years younger), and that I've never enjoyed having sex with her more than I do now. I can't help but stare at her ass like a naughty little schoolboy when she wears one of her knee-length but enticingly tight skirts.

Even though there are many attractive women out there, I never feel I'm missing anything by not fucking other women, nor do I find myself wishing she was younger (in fact, I find it kind of a turn-on to know that she's reached her age while remaining so deliciously feminine). Rather, even though we love our toddler son very much, I miss us being able to initiate whenever one of us got the urge. I'm hoping we can improve our physical relationship once he goes to preschool later this year.

farotm0dteguy · 2025-04-13T05:26:27+00:00

Lets count how many times the word hot is used in this thread

Appropriate-Gate-851 · 2025-04-13T07:01:48+00:00

I am a 30 years old woman.

Never married and still a virgin. Of course I am child free too.

Biologically I am not peak youth/beauty/feminity no more = hit the wall.

However I am a virgin and never have had kids before so my body has not have been tired down as much as early 20s/early 30s mom and above. I have no idea about my fertility if it is still high or if it were any day high or got low I have not taked any test for it yet. I do not wanna know until I get married and want to have a kid. I cannot get my eggs frozen as I am poor and have no medical insurance to cover for it.

Most people tell me I look younger than my age but not 10 years younger lol. I look 23 25 max to them which is not suprising to me as I use to look younger even in my 20s.

ibookmarkeverything · 2025-04-13T07:15:27+00:00

I don't know why people always act like attraction is just skin deep. It's like people don't understand what a bond is. There are people you don't feel compelled to talk to or associate with based on their appearance, but if that same person were a family member or friend you've known for 10+ years, you may feel excited to see them.

When a woman is young, physical attraction grabs the attention of men and makes us want to know her. If we succeed and build a positive relationship with her, the bond that is formed over time reveals a deeper connection and a more nuanced attraction that isn't as heavily reliant on physical appearance. That doesn't mean she can let go and be a fat slob, but it does mean we still find her attractive based on a series of knewly revealed attributes.

Men will always find younger women physically attractive. It's a biological reality designed to keep the human race going, but we will willingly put ourselves in harms way for a woman we have bonded with on a deeper level.

Logos1789 · 2025-04-13T11:18:42+00:00

The point is, so long as a couple bonds while they are both young and maximally attractive, their relationship will be more resilient than one that formed out of greater necessity post-wall.

Toxic_LigmaMale · 2025-04-13T14:51:29+00:00

Show me a single post, video, or anything that isn’t an obvious troll that said what you’re claiming. Specifically due to physical signs of aging.

Aggressive-Error-88 · 2025-04-13T18:02:40+00:00

Honestly, men with this mentality gives pedo vibes. Hate to break it to them. It’s gross. I get that you want a partner who may be at their “peak” but dude, we are all biological beings. If she’s aging so are you. And the thing men like to ignore is that especially when it comes to having children, you are contributing half your DNA to the baby making process, so you honestly think that your age and lifestyle habits among other things have no impact on the quality of genes you are contributing? The absolute insanity of it all.

Evervolving · 2025-04-13T19:44:32+00:00

Wife Goggles

ExcitementLow4699 · 2025-04-14T01:32:49+00:00

Women age the same regardless of their marital status, but the reason whe "the wall" is scary is because you end up with fewer options. Married women dont need to worry about having options anymore. Plus, if you marry young, you have more time as a maximally attractive woman during which you can build a life and bonds with your husband which will generally keep him attracted to you (love goggles. provided you dont like, let your hygiene and body fat percentage go to shit.)

Dull-Laugh-4037 · 2025-04-14T01:41:10+00:00

Physically speaking, most men find women visually attractive at all ages, but the peak tends to decline in the mod to late 20s. It is what it is. It doesn't mean a women in her 30s+ is unattractive, but that she is past her prime. She can still be an 8 that was a former 10.

Married women hold much more value to their partner when they marry young. They are essentially giving their peak years, in terms of physical beauty, in commitment to a man. It's a symbolism of love and it carries a lot of meaning to men who may still be figuring out life in their 20s. They don't have it all together, but they have someone by their side that believes in them. It's through a committed and loving relationship, too, that a man will find their partner more and more attractive as they grow together and share memories together.

Older single women though have baggage. They may still be very physically attractive, but chances are that they were more attractive in their younger 20s and gave their prime years to another man, multiple men, or to some alternative lifestyle They have already experienced life. They may have kids, emotional scars, etc. Then being single could also mean they are disagreeable, value the wrong charachteristics in men, or a myriad of other toxic traits that inhibit them from being in a long term committed relationship. Not always the case, but if it weren't true they would likely already be in a loving relationship with a respectable partner.

PhaseExtra1132 · 2025-04-14T04:55:18+00:00

If you marry her at 22. She’s going to be in your mind as beautiful as the day you met her. Others will see her age. You will see her glow. So get married.

UnoDosTres7 · 2025-04-14T11:47:21+00:00

That wall people talk about women hitting is in regards to sexual market vale SMV which includes a number of things and not necessarily just about “aging”. If you’re married then you’d be “off” the market henceforth you’re not graded by the same scale. I just don’t think u fully understand.

Boxisteph · 2025-04-18T14:19:15+00:00

Any woman with a developed brain hits the wall in the eyes of a pedophile....

Thats why not all men agree with the wall philosophy, only a sunset of men who are constantly trying to talk to teenagers.

Junior_Ad_3086 · 2025-04-12T23:14:26+00:00

looks are just one factor that's correlated with age and we all lose them eventually as we get older. it's not the only reason why some men prefer younger women and things like fertility or baggage aren't going to be issues when you're already with somebody for a decade+ since their 20s.

you can't equate being single and choosing to date younger to being married to somebody who will inevitably age. on top of that everyone is well aware that women have sexual options at any age, so clearly they remain attractive enough. nobody is at their peak forever, including men.

Clean-Luck6428 · 2025-04-13T02:19:16+00:00

I’m not sure why we use the term “the wall” when menopause is a perfectly fine term.

Some women get pre menopause symptoms as early as their early 30s but many not till their 40s. 37 however is when fertility related issues accelerate:

https://www.acog.org/clinical/clinical-guidance/committee-opinion/articles/2014/03/female-age-related-fertility-decline?utm_source=redirect&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=otn

“The fecundity of women decreases gradually but significantly beginning approximately at age 32 years and decreases more rapidly after age 37 years, reflecting primarily a decrease in egg quality in association with a gradual increase in the circulating level of follicle-stimulating hormone and decreases in circulating antimüllerian hormone and inhibin B concentrations.”

nonquitt · 2025-04-13T07:40:20+00:00

I think the age is 36 but I generally agree

Financial_Window_990 · 2025-04-13T14:25:49+00:00

You're missing a very important component. She's the mother of his children, his wife, best friend, companion, confidant. When she has married (relatively)young, and stayed with that same (presumably) good man, she doesn't have any of the bullshit that comes with a 30+ year old single woman.

SamuraiGoblin · 2025-04-13T01:49:45+00:00

This is such a ridiculous strawman.

Nobody is saying women turn from supermodels to old hags in their late 20s. 'The wall' is not solely about attractiveness. It is about biological clocks. Nobody thinks marriage 'stops the aging process.' That is not at all what the topic is about.

For a healthy relationship, people have to date for a while, then perhaps move in together, then get married, way before they start thinking about children. Marriage and starting a family is a huge deal, not decisions to be taken lightly. We are talking years here.

A woman's fertility starts dropping at the age of 32, and by the age of 40 it is a fraction of what it was. It doesn't mean women older than that can't bear children, but the likelihood of a successful pregnancy with no issues is drastically lower. That's a biological fact.

Also, a lot of people want more than just one child, and they want to space the apart a few years. From going on a first date with someone, to giving birth to your youngest child can take up to and over a decade.

What this means is that if people want to start a family, they should be starting to get serious about it before they are 30. They should be actively looking for 'the one.' And it is much more of an issue for women, because they are the ones who carry the babies. While men's fertility also fades with age, with sperm becoming less motile and more damaged, their fertility drop off starts later and is less steep than women's, so the biological clock is more of a problem for women.

I can understand people being upset when misogynistic idiots say women older than 30 have no value. Obviously that is a shitty, stupid thing to say. But 'the wall' is not something completely made up by those idiots. It is something people have known about for centuries, and perpetuated largely by senior women in families, because it does have a biological basis.

If people want to remain childless, then there is no issue. But telling single women in their late 20s they still have 'plenty of time' to mess around is just irresponsible. That's why the wall exists.

Barely-moral · 2025-04-12T22:37:59+00:00

Wife googles phenomenon.

If the woman in question is a good wife then the man will forever see her as she was in her prime.

MarioWilson122 · 2025-04-13T02:40:49+00:00

I think the hit the wall comment is usually said about women older then 30 and its mostly used for women that are still dating looking for a man to have healthy children with.

Also in marriage sometimes the husband can lose attraction once the woman has let herself go during the marriage because since its harder to stay in shape and continue to look good once you've settled in and had kids and whatnot.

Kaisern · 2025-04-13T07:02:39+00:00

Nobody seriously says the wall is 25 be for real

Yes, married women will be less physically attractive to their husbands as they age, which means they probably should make sure to have more things going for them than just beauty

The wall isn’t just women looking worse as they age, everyone does, it’s the the fact that youth by itself gives a woman a 2-3 point bump that goes away starting at 30. It’s not that women become super ugly, it’s that 20 something women are an anomaly in society; nobody else is treated like they are or viewed how they are

And when that privilege dries up it feels a lot like hitting a wall

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xKalisto · 2025-04-13T08:16:56+00:00

I am become MILF.

No-Appointment-8270 · 2025-04-13T18:05:31+00:00

Women don't even hit the wall at that age, it's mostly those who live degenerate lifestyles, alcohol, drugs, don't exercise, eat fast food, promiscuous, etc.

Lilboibleu · 2025-04-13T18:54:13+00:00

When you truly fall in love with someone, their physical attraction is replaced by something else much deeper. It's easier sometimes to get the ball rolling if you meet them when they're young and hot and then fall in love, vs adjusting your physical expectations with older women and hoping it works out. Neurobiology and evolutionary psychology is a crazy thing. Read Carl Jung and David Buss and you're starting to scratch the surface. There's a lot of storytelling, cultural pressure, and unconscious preferences that go into this, which is helpful to understand if you want to know why these weird social phenomena happen.

CaptainCrazyEyes · 2025-04-13T23:52:09+00:00

Hitting the wall has less to do with Attractiveness and more to do with suitability as a partner.

TedGetsSnickelfritz · 2025-04-14T14:13:10+00:00

Personally I’ve always found older women more attractive than younger

SmartestManInUnivars · 2025-04-14T15:19:47+00:00

I feel like people who marry young always see each other that way, or it has an effect at least. I still think of my sister as the little girl I knew when we were growing up and see her as that.

Lonely_Cycle4757 · 2025-04-14T17:56:53+00:00

It's interesting that a post with such an egregiously faulty premise still has over 271 comments, and MOST of them aren't some version of: "Very few men believe believe that women become ugly between 25-and 30... the premise here is invalid."

Previous-Nobody903 · 2025-04-14T21:24:32+00:00

I had a facial deformity due to severe TMJ. I didn’t heal from it until my late 30s. I’m hotter now than I’ve ever been, mainly because my jaw is no longer fucking up my face.

plastic-Smell_1983 · 2025-04-15T15:34:46+00:00

I actually think older mature women are Sevier than younger TBH

Right-Presence-8193 · 2025-04-18T03:09:41+00:00

lmao, this is what incels and pedos believe. when i go out in public, i see far more attractive put together women of any age than i do men. and i say this as a heterosexual woman. oftentimes, the men look like something that crawled out of the deepest pits of hell, with sagging man boobs, semi bald or fully bald heads, huge beer gut spilling over their too tight belts, lots of wrinkles and greying hair, and sometimes i am very shocked when i find out their age. some of them are in their freaking late 20s early 30s and honestly look closer to mid to late 40s while their wives or girlfriends look like models. don't know why those women settled for losers. i never would. i'd be happier getting a dog and parrot than settling for some loser that isn't attractive. so fellas, most of y'all hit the wall a helluva lot sooner and faster than women do, like a freight train crashing into a brick wall. so excuse us for not giving a fuck lmao. like most of you are mid as fuck if not downright ugly, so you spend your days on the internet crying about how women that have only been adults for 7 years have hit the wall. fuck out of here. you idiots need to change your bullshit mentalities, and fast, or else a very sad future filled with loneliness awaits you. women can always have kids on their own. we don't really need to wait around on a man who thinks we hit the wall at 25. besides, a man with this bullshit mentality has no value and brings no value or use to any woman of any age on this great big earth. we just consider such a man a dumb loser who'll probably gain 80 pounds and lose all his hair before he even turns 32. it is also the men who hardly ever get any attention from women who are hyper fixated on this mythological belief that women have an expiration date and wither away like prunes on their 25th birthday.

DzejSiDi · 2025-04-12T23:11:43+00:00

It is odd that some people, both men and women, pretend that marriage stops the aging process.

No, they don't.

If single 25+ women are no longer attractive to men

They are still atractive, just 20-25 are more attractive.

so getting married young alone isn't enough to save a woman from the consequences of hitting the wall.

That's true, so women need to rely on other positive qualities to keep relationship other than "im young and pretty tee heee~", so oppressive.

wtknight · 2025-04-13T00:39:17+00:00

Older women who take care of themselves are still attractive to men. They just are not as physically attractive compared to younger women. But not all men are going to just start pursuing the most physically attractive women when their wives or partners age - just because 1) they have existing emotional attachments to their wives or partners and 2) they know that they can't realistically attract younger women.

Some older men really aren't all that attracted to younger women, either, mostly because the maturity and experience difference turns them off just as younger men with most older women.

treadmarks · 2025-04-12T23:07:27+00:00

Do you think men aren't aware of this when they propose marriage? Or are you the only one who's noticed people become less attractive as they age? Maybe some men start thinking about having a family or someone they like to grow old with.

A man falls in love with a woman because of her looks and charm and the good times they've had together. The looks may go but the love does not because it's still the same person. Why do I feel like I'm explaining things to a five year old?

The problem with post-wall women is they offer neither looks, nor charm, nor the potential to provide a family. There's nothing for the man to fall in love with and no potential for the future.

OmoshiroiKudamono · 2025-04-13T02:03:25+00:00

The wall, in terms of MARRIAGE, is NOT purely based on looks. Sure, looks matter, but NOT to a huge degree. As long as she eats clean, exercises, avoids drugs and alcohol, and gets regular sleep, she can maintain her looks well into her late 30s and early 40s.

The "wall," for MARRIAGE is made up of her past experiences. Bad AND good to some degree. Even if she is single, that still has some degree of effect.

For Basic Bob and Cubicle Carl, they have the burden of dancing like a stupid idiot monkey trying to impress her and keep her entertained LONG TERM. She already been to that "special spot" to see the sunset hundreds of times. Bob or Carl saved money for several months or years for that Hawaii trip. Guess what. She already been there before. She already ate the 5* Gordon Ramsay food. Many guys took her there before. She ate there so many times that she ate everything from the menu. She already has that Louis Vuitton purse. And if a man didn't do all that, she experienced all that her own self.

Sure, Bob and Carl can be an interesting monkey for the short term, but for the LONG TERM, she will at best end up bored, unhappy, and in a dead bedroom with him.

ExcelsiorState718 · 2025-04-13T01:06:55+00:00

This is true but if your with someone and grow old with them they won't seem older to you. I was in an 8 year relationship and my ex looked the same to me on the last day as she did on the first and my heart still skipped a beat when ever I saw her

We lived together for 6 years and in the whole time we had only been apart for more than a few hours for about two weeks. I don't really believe in love but if you have strong feelings for someone they will always be beautiful to you.

Richard_Konte · 2025-04-13T07:33:56+00:00

Women don't hit the wall at 30, men still want to date younger tho, but not for nefarious reasons. If you're a childless man you usually do it because you don't want to fill the role of a stepdad.

Schleudergang1400 · 2025-04-13T10:35:56+00:00

You forgot about the effect of being in love and bonded with someone on the subjective perception of their physical attractiveness. Studies show how romantic partners highly overrate their partners physical attractiveness. This makes men desire their partners up into old age, but they would not consider women as old as their partner for sexual fantasies. So, getting together while you are still physically attracted to that person as a stranger is a factor. Once you are bonded/in love, you can age and still be attracted to them.

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On average, women stop being the subjects of sexual fantasies when they are at the end of their fertile phase of early to mid 40s. Other than that, similarly aged women, on average, remain options to fall in love with and be in a relationship with, up into men's 60s at least.

Lost_Number3829 · 2025-04-13T21:53:52+00:00

They are trying to pressure women into accepting situations contrary to their own benefit. For example, marry quickly with the first or the second asshole you fall in love since you soon will be expired goods. It is a narrative that add to all the narratives that were invented to keep women under their command

LoudPiece6914 · 2025-04-14T02:04:10+00:00

Women 18 to 24 are most attractive to men. They don’t hit the wall until 35 to 45.

harmonica2 · 2025-04-13T00:27:03+00:00

"If single women hit the wall and become ugly to men at 25-30, so do married women"

I thought the wall was 35-40.

Working_Em · 2025-04-13T04:17:38+00:00

People are varied. “Wife goggles” are real for a lot of men and so are the traumas and mental conditions that have many people feel deep preferences for youth/polyamory/etc

Dramatic_Survey_5743 · 2025-04-13T07:28:34+00:00

The wall exist, but it really boils down to how someone takes care of themselves. I mean there are women in their 50s that are bangin, but they workout watch their diets, and take pride in their appearance. Then there are women and men who just fall the fuck apart the second the leave their 20's/

BobtheArcher2018 · 2025-04-13T09:45:32+00:00

The Wall is a crude name for the more sudden and steep loss in raw visual attractiveness that women suffer as compared to men. This is primarily due to men being far more attracted to youthfulness than women.

This dynamic is real and hardwired, but the details are culturally and environmentally mediated. Women today age less rapidly than in the past for a lot of obvious reasons: better skincare, less manual labor, fewer pregnancies with better medical tech to mitigate costs, etc.

Intrasexual female mate competition also matters. Today, women are less and less willing to pair with significantly older men. That means that when a woman does age, she is still primarily competing with her age cohorts. This will dramatically reduce any effective loss of mate value.

AtomicMonkeyTheFirst · 2025-04-13T02:44:50+00:00

Why do you think divorces happen and men get affairs?

I mean...its incredibly naive to think that looks don't matter, but they're not the only thing that matters.

Whiskeymyers75 · 2025-04-13T03:43:59+00:00

Health, nutrition & fitness stops the aging process. Or at least changes it and actually makes women age gracefully. But unfortunately most will not do this. They fuck up their skin, figure, hormones and metabolism. I’m in my 40’s for instance and it sucks how many single women in this age group look like they could be my mom. No thank you. My baby mama used to look decent. Now she looks 15 years older than she actually is.

SteveSan82 · 2025-04-13T04:32:11+00:00

Big difference between a married woman and a leftover cat lady who chose career or being a 304 over having a family

analt223 · 2025-04-13T22:39:50+00:00

The wall is mostly bullshit. women might hit a wall a tad earlier than men, but it's far from 25 to 30. Maybe 45

onearmedmonkey · 2025-04-13T00:52:13+00:00

My sister had to beg -- BEG! -- my brother-in-law to have sex with her in order for her to have a baby. That speaks volumes.

If single women hit the wall and become ugly to men at 25-30, so do married women

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Title	If single women hit the wall and become ugly to men at 25-30, so do married women
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Date	April 12, 2025 10:29 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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