Men, does this sound logical to you?

DeliciousPussyNectar · 2021-10-09T21:15:55+00:00

You should want the same enthusiasm they gave somebody else, yeah. Why wouldn’t you?

TheOffice_Account · 2021-10-09T20:59:52+00:00

You simped hard on a girl when you were 16/19/22 or whatever, then you should simp on me as hard as you did (or more) for you to prove your love.

Yes, completely logical for me. If simping makes women fall hard for men, then men would simp for women. I would, too.

sosayeth · 2021-10-09T20:01:45+00:00

If I don't have as much adoration (this is the word you're looking for - not "simp") for you as I did for my 16/19/22 crush, then yeah, you have good reason to be upset.

Y'all be so funny charging in with your goofy statements thinking, "OOoooooohohhhhhhIgot'emnow!" and they're just plain logical, common sense.

CradlingBrokenGlass · 2021-10-09T20:38:15+00:00

It’s not about the specific act. The issue is the willingness, eagerness and frequency with which she felt that way towards the Chad ex. I’ve had female friends and I’ve heard most of them talk about some mythical horse hung guy they knew and some knew women shared.

So in some cases these young women had guys they slept with in all sort of situations and places and with great frequency. What most men don’t want is to be the safety plan guy that has to impress and almost beg to get her interested in sex.

GuitarsBack · 2021-10-09T19:45:17+00:00

Yes. Yes, sounds completely logical to me.

Disclaimer: I don't think women would actually want the kind of simping I did when I was 16. The simping I did at 22 was solid and I kept that level of simping up through all of my relationships.

EDIT: It's funny. I never actually had the "she did it with her ex but not with me"- problem in any of my relationships. It still riles me up because the arguments by women here show that women perceive relationship stuff completely differently on a fundamental level.

CentralAdmin · 2021-10-09T23:37:47+00:00

Yes. We want to show the women we love how devoted we are.

Most men who are redpilled do so with a heavy heart. They don't necessarily want to be assholes, but women prefer sex with those guys.

The redpillers sometimes express it as a form of grief or pity for their loss of innocence and for the decline in womanhood. By this they mean that it is sad that a woman responds to narcissism more than kindness. She values a man's height, looks and status over his desire to commit, provide and be a good man to her.

Men want to be good to women. They want to simp first. It comes so naturally they have a hard time letting go when the truth comes out and it fucking hurts. Why do you think there are so many white knights? The truth hurts so much they are angry because they figured being nice and not a total piece of shit would work in their favour.

Women don't see this. They don't care for a man's kindness. They don't value it half as much as they claim to. And in discussions about this they don't see men's desperation as the deep, longing desire for women's approval. They don't understand just how much loneliness eats away at them. They have to abandon all principles just to become more attractive to women and they fucking hate that this is what they must do to become successful. This is where the bitterness comes from.

This is why you will see them question why women never wanted them when they were nice. Or why they only get all this interest after she has had her fun. Or why she suddenly values their stability after she becomes a single mom. If they valued those things first, they would have been together years ago.

All this is to say he wanted her to want him when he simped for her. He wanted to offer her commitment, to be valued for his dedication, to enjoy sex with her and to enjoy a relationship that would grow from their desire for each other. If that worked the first time around, the redpill would not even exist.

Watching women shit on nice men, offer sex easily to the worst kind of men and only realising a man's value when she has no other options is eye opening. But women would have everyone believe those nice men were really the evil ones, that her offering sex so easily is in no way a reflection on who she is and that she has really matured after becoming an overweight single mom.

Im_The_Daiquiri_Man · 2021-10-09T20:19:11+00:00

No, but this does:

“You took your X to hawaii 10 times, you picked her up from work every night, you met her parents, but you won’t even take me to dinner”

That’s a fairly good indicator that the dude isn’t into you.

Similarly, “I used to wear slutty outfits for my ex, hang my head over the side of the bed to let him fuck my mouth, and we’d have threesomes a few times a year, but I don’t want to give you a blowjob because that’s gross” is an unacceptable scenario.

lulll · 2021-10-09T19:32:09+00:00

simping implies an unbalanced parasocial relationship, the girl isn't sexually or romantically interested in her simps, she just uses them for money and attention. you have to tweak what simping is if you want to talk about a couple in a relationship, because then it turns into some type of betabux provider type of scenario than just straight up simping

RepresentativeSwan1 · 2021-10-09T19:39:14+00:00

Yes.

Dagenius1 · 2021-10-09T20:43:29+00:00

Every man should simp for his wife…yes absolutely.

The converse is also true.

Liberal_On_Guns · 2021-10-09T19:35:56+00:00

It actually is logical, but women aren't aroused by simps.

flakybottom · 2021-10-09T22:03:03+00:00

You stop simping because you learn that its pointless, doesn't prove love.

SnooSprouts1580 · 2021-10-09T23:02:09+00:00

No.

Simping turns women off. If you're a woman, why would you want your man to revert to repulsive behavior?

Mrs_Drgree · 2021-10-10T01:11:30+00:00

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smallberry_tornados · 2021-10-09T21:45:25+00:00

You’re working entirely from ego and insecurity.

PoMansDreams · 2021-10-09T19:59:53+00:00

Never out a woman on a pedestal. Her and the ones after will expect no less

NICHIJOU2411 · 2021-10-09T20:14:58+00:00

I dont and have never simped.

CradlingBrokenGlass · 2021-10-09T20:51:27+00:00

Lol ok. If I felt safe that she wouldn’t get disgusted and ghost and I found her agreeable and fun love, I would have no problem doting on her

Barely-moral · 2021-10-09T20:57:12+00:00

Makes perfect sense to me from 18 years onwards. Whatever my previous partner got is the base treatment my next partner gets.

I can understand that anything done by a minor doesn't count.

trueorfalsedmitry · 2021-10-09T19:20:06+00:00

Oh no! I'm utterly caught in a logic trap! Where can I turn?!

What a pile of crap. This question is useless on several levels.

First: I'm an almost 50-year-old man. Though I have learned quite a bit since I was 19 or 22 (I'll leave 16 out of this...), I pretty much knew what I wanted then and what I could live with and couldn't. Those things are basically the same now. I did not have to "make mistakes" and "learn by being burned" over and over because I'm not a stupid animal that has to be conditioned. So, yeah, in general, if I don't give a woman the attention I gave my college girlfriends, it is because I find her less desirable.

But, it's not "simping" that is the "GOTCHA!" analogy you seek. Pick some specific action. For example: If I have ever in my life given a woman flowers, any woman is 100% right to be upset with me if I don't get her flowers at least once. That's logical!

upalse · 2021-10-09T20:26:52+00:00

Yep. My cock tease at 14 is the equivalent of your P&D at 14.

The difference is that one was enough for me. You kept at it till 28.

WilliamWyattD · 2021-10-09T19:58:09+00:00

You are missing the point. The guys who hate the fact that women may have done things when they were younger they won't do now because it is 'unfair' are idiots. Most guys don't think that way and this is not an issue.

The issue is that if a woman did things sexually for past BFs, and don't do them now, the men doubt that she finds them as hot as she did her old BFs. And the reasons this doubt is so strong is there is a really good chance it is true. It can be a real issue that is hard to get out of just using reason.

Simping is not really symmetrical. First of all, the woman probably does not want to be simped for. Second, it is easier to see that the simping was not a sign of greater love but of issues on the man's side of how to deal with women. Women don't even prioritize theirown sexual performance, etc. in terms of self-esteem the way men do, since women are the judgers and men are the performers.

But if a woman found out that a guy used to do really romantic and caring things for past GFs, and it made her doubt that he cared for her as much as past GFs, that would probably affect a woman a lot.

It's about revelations from a partner's past that make you doubt that you are the best or highest ranked in some category where your ego is invested in you being so.

The_Meep_Lord · 2021-10-09T19:14:32+00:00

No, because simping is unhealthy. It is obsession and desperation, not treating a woman better.

Nobody likes simps, especially the one they are simping for.

AbbreviationsHot1200 · 2021-10-09T20:36:58+00:00

But women don't like simps

aerial_coitus · 2021-10-09T20:54:51+00:00

this is some of the dumbest shit i’ve ever heard

JALopo1 · 2021-10-09T21:18:17+00:00

was there ever a question on this sub that wasnt a gotcha? xD

NockerJoe · 2021-10-09T22:21:04+00:00

The only reason it's simping is that it's non reciprocal, which is usually the whole reason those two aren't together now. If I could go as hard as I did that young and actually get an equal amount of effort back I'd do it in a second.

TheRedPillRipper · 2021-10-10T01:07:16+00:00

to prove your love

So in my 20’s I happily bought my first wife a house, jewellery and gifted her a considerable amount of money. Ultimate simping.

So then if we were both single again, and the spark was there; I should double down?

Again?

Then let’s take a step back. What if she wasn’t my wife? Or further still; if we were just friends? Does any of that sound logical to you u/Lazy-Conversation-75?

The issue presuming both people are the same say in their 30’s; as they were in their early 20’s. Hopefully they’d both have learned, and grown. Especially as the world is currently geared toward parting you from your money. Simping a prime example.

Godspeed and good luck!

SaltyFatNuts · 2021-10-10T04:21:01+00:00

I’ll be the biggest simp for my girl idc

FoggyDanto · 2021-10-10T07:38:42+00:00

Don't worry miss, we can simp as long as its reciprocated, you know humans need motivation to do something.

Anantha1996 · 2021-10-09T21:17:52+00:00

You really don't think women would feel bad if they found out their partners were far more romantic with their exes than with them? (Assuming the woman likes more romance)

banalchenal · 2021-10-09T19:38:26+00:00

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PMmeareasontolive · 2021-10-09T21:36:55+00:00

Ah , you have a point. I had a LDR where I drove 4 hours every weekend to be with her. I probably would not do that now. I could maybe do a LDR but I wouldn't be driving every single weekend to see her like I did then.

ex_red_black_piller · 2021-10-09T22:04:28+00:00

purplish_possum · 2021-10-09T22:43:24+00:00

It's totally logical if the guy is still playing the beta provider game.

If he was one of the few beta's who managed to ascend to alfa level game this question would never have been asked. The fact that is being asked means that he's still a beta chump. As a beta chump, his only options are to pay up or go home.

Knight_of_Inari · 2021-10-09T23:18:00+00:00

Indeed, that's completely fair.

just_a_place · 2021-10-10T00:24:47+00:00

If the previous girl burned me (as she actually did in real life) I am not going to be so "vulnerable" with you until I feel it's safe to fully open up to you after my psycho ex-gf experience.

So I got no problem proving my love to you, the issue here is how are you proving yours in order for me to fully open up to you?

M3taBuster · 2021-10-10T07:33:43+00:00

Sure. I'll simp for a girl if she's worth simping for. Problem is I've yet to encounter such a girl. Hence, I've never really done anything that could reasonably be considered simping in the first place.

So once I find my partner, she pretty much automatically gets "my best", by default, because I've never given any other girl anything at all.

Mrs_Drgree · 2021-10-10T01:31:15+00:00

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WestsideMoonWalker · 2021-10-09T19:15:20+00:00

I think the real question is..... why are you doing things for a person if they aren't reciprocating and treating you how you want to be treated anyway. I think it would be absolutely insane to hold me today to the standards of my behavior from when I was in high school, lmao. The growth + personal development between 16 and 26 is a lot.

What I do think matters is some level of rationality and consistency in values/behaviors, if that makes sense, but usually if those follow some type of logical path, that's not an issue.

StarchRunner · 2021-10-09T19:19:57+00:00

OP has a great point. Look for younger women that will simp for you to some degree still and leave the old baggage on the conveyor belt for someone else to pick up.

DerekMorganBAU · 2021-10-09T21:46:44+00:00

Every bitch gets the same grade A dick + $15 Applebees dinner that the last bitch got. I’m very consistent

Insidious-Sid · 2021-10-09T21:46:20+00:00

Is this the flip side of the "she gave up circus sex for Chad but makes Brad jump through hoops" coin?

Simping in all of it's forms needs to die.

Women making men jump through hoops is just glorified prostitution.

NO Man should simp for ANY woman. Period.

ToughAnswers · 2021-10-09T19:20:39+00:00

logical

Has nothing to do with logical or otherwise...anyone can have whatever demands they want, and anyone can refuse whatever demands they want to refuse. The rest works itself out.

jiggywitit2 · 2021-10-09T20:20:51+00:00

This whole argument is flawed and is grounded in the assumption that people don’t change, and that somehow the decisions we made in our youth should dictate the rest of our lives. I used to smoke cigarettes with my ex, but I won’t with you, does that mean I don’t love you. Of course not.

boomershack · 2021-10-10T04:34:59+00:00

Simping = dry ass pussy

DillonTheFatUglyMale · 2021-10-09T19:59:28+00:00

Simping isn't normal and should be thought of as normal in the dating world

TheBookOfSeil · 2021-10-09T20:01:58+00:00

Simping doesn't "prove love" anymore than doing a certain sex act does. The issue isn't about love but about attraction. If women aren't having enthusiastic sex with you but were much more wild with their previous partner(s), that's an indication that something is off. She didn't magically change. Conversely, men are more transparent and consistent with attraction and who they're attracted to, so men who really like a woman that they've approached won't act much different.

The-Wizard-of-Oz- · 2021-10-10T01:26:03+00:00

If you weren't AWALT then sure.

I wouldn't even call it simping.

The reason I don't do that anymore is not because I'm "grown as a person", but now I know that AWALT & it's not worth it.

hi_and_fuck_you · 2021-10-10T04:18:37+00:00

Simping is pathetic behavior. Women don't want simps so this comparison doesn't do what you think it does.

Glarkin42 · 2021-10-09T19:55:56+00:00

I never simped. I have never even found a woman I liked being around beyond sex.

Taipanshimshon · 2021-10-09T20:12:07+00:00

I can simp a lot harder now with resources and knowing more about what women tend to like.

Aka.

I can perform better.

For a better younger hotter girl.

Got it now?

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Ambiguous5298369 · 2021-10-09T19:40:39+00:00

Ideally you should simp for each other yeah, but in reality repeated rejection and disappointment hardens the heart and makes it nearly impossible.

old_wise_man_ · 2021-10-09T22:35:43+00:00

yes even though I was never a great simp. For example if I don’t give my gf everytime I meet her a red rose, she can consider i desire her less. the issue isn’t the act itself since I probably wouldn’t want to do it. The issue is that the option isn’t available. One thing is she saying she doesn’t like it but if I want, we can do it. Another thing is saying that no can do, never ever again. That is what stains. It means she probably doesn’t love me as much she did with her previous bfs. And that’s fine. I just want honesty so that we can broke up and everyone move with their lifes.

GoodApollo506 · 2021-10-09T22:52:14+00:00

Fool me once, fuck you

Fool me twice, fuck me

UsefulAd2538 · 2021-10-09T23:05:59+00:00

No. Simping is very unhealthy.

A simp is attentive and submissive to women. You don't put women on a pedestal, you have to treat them like an equal. On top of that, show some respect for yourself. Simping says that you are beneath others and don't have confidence.

nathaniel_new · 2021-10-10T00:59:14+00:00

I see what your trying to do, but "simping" is a false equivalence here.

sernamedeleted · 2021-10-10T01:51:10+00:00

It stopped sounding logical when I read the word "simped".

R0llsroyc3 · 2021-10-10T02:44:21+00:00

No, because I learned self respect.

SemiLoquacious · 2021-10-10T03:51:10+00:00

No because I'm embarrassed by how I've simped at 22

Mrs_Drgree · 2021-10-10T04:31:21+00:00

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stuckmeformypaper · 2021-10-10T06:09:49+00:00

"It says here you once bought a house 10 years ago paying well over asking price and not even looking at the inside of it. Now why should I show you around the place, or give you any other reason to buy other than curb appeal? Frankly if you really wanted it, you'd prove it by making a serious offer right this second."

Ohyarlysmiles · 2021-10-10T06:29:45+00:00

Lol I've never simped.

Rosifer433d · 2021-10-10T07:32:05+00:00

Why, are you as physically attractive as the suicidegirl(no, she wasn't suicidal) I was simping for when I was 20 year old and meeting the Canadian branch of the Family in Quebéc?

And we ended up hooking-up, so can you call that simping, or was it merely love?

_-CHUBUT-_ · 2021-10-10T09:13:59+00:00

No. Nice guys finish last. Period.

michael1962-01 · 2021-10-10T09:22:24+00:00

mllhild · 2021-10-10T09:34:53+00:00

You werent there when I was 22 and ready to give it all. Now im 29 and life and loniless has made me wiser and colder.

GoToPurplePillDebate · 2021-10-10T09:43:02+00:00

absolutely. Otherwise I'd basically be punishing her, just for accepting my baggage. She is kind enough to trust me despite my baggage... and so I punish her? No way. If even, I'd simp even more, to reward her of the trust she bestowed me.

sootlord · 2021-10-10T10:11:20+00:00

Simping is toxic. Its comes from a place of scarcity and neediness, the man in question is in the weakest position in the situation.

There is nothing wrong with showing affection but if you have to constantly jump through hoops to keep princess happy: that bitch aint worth it.

heartache617 · 2021-10-10T11:01:54+00:00

What says the simp is in the same place emotionally as he was before? How many years difference are you picturing between the previous girl and you? Just because he simped harder for her doesn't mean he didn't think higher of you..

harold_shipman_gp · 2021-10-10T11:02:59+00:00

Yes, 100%. Don't commit to someone unless you're willing to go all in. Don't settle for second best/minimum effort from a partner. This is basic self-respect stuff.

mbh63 · 2021-10-10T13:04:13+00:00

Nah. I’m good. Also, way too cynical now to simp like I did in my teens and early 20s

Pastelitomaracucho · 2021-10-10T13:49:46+00:00

Sure. The catch is I'll find out quick if you like me back and I'll walk away much quicker.

Allblackallamerican · 2021-10-10T19:09:35+00:00

Is this a retort for men wanting women to give them the same energy they gave prior sexual partners?

My retort to your retort is that I should’ve never simped in the first place, because for starters, it didn’t lead to any successful results.

Capable_Dark · 2021-10-10T20:53:46+00:00

lmao be more toxic

Lonelybuthopeful9 · 2021-10-10T23:07:26+00:00

Yes, if I sended money to girl before you, but not to you its clearly shows I liked her more than you.

Unicorn_GoddessBitch · 2021-10-11T00:44:39+00:00

You two have a toxic but comfortable relationship that's NEVER going to get any better than it is now. You two can continue this if you both find it fun and because you're both comfortable with it and probably kinda like being stubborn and ornery to each other to some degree. The years will continue to pass by and with every one that passes both of your chances of finding more compatible partners you can actually build a future with dwindles significantly. It's hard to leave the person you basically have known and sexed with since high school...you two share a lot of history and growing up together. Wish you both the best!

S0mnariumx · 2021-10-11T02:00:04+00:00

Nah mindsets change with age. If I'm not simping hard for you now its because I've decided not to put myself in that position again

That-One-Dude46 · 2021-10-11T04:11:57+00:00

I've never simped, and don't ever plan on it

Moneydamjan · 2021-10-11T04:36:27+00:00

women don't want simps though

xFallacyx69 · 2021-10-11T17:16:19+00:00

I don’t ever simp. I match your energy. If we stop talking it’s because your energy was low to non existent and I matched it. If our sex is shit it’s because Im only as invested as you are… it’s all I ask in a relationship.

CharlesElliotFiddler · 2021-10-11T18:02:14+00:00

Ahh, I gave up on finding logic in women a long time ago.

Braincellular · 2021-10-12T00:00:06+00:00

I'm not sure what the point of this question is. But the answer is you don't want that, even if you think you do (female solipsism strikes again). If I simped for you as hard as I did when I was whatever age it would probably cause you to lose attraction for me, just as it did to chicks then. So if I actually thought you were worth keeping around I would try not to do all the embarrassing stuff I did then.

cuckspace · 2021-10-09T23:56:02+00:00

Women don’t like that men got their relationship innocence ruined by some other woman and are now hesitant to be romantic and emotional. Men don’t like that women got their sexual experience with some other man and now don’t want to do some of the things they did before. The solution for both is to marry when you are young and naive. You don’t get that many shots at making it work. Every new partner that you break up with makes it less likely that you will ever be able to pair-bond successfully.

Komaric_ · 2021-10-09T19:34:20+00:00

Nobody should have to prove their love

NotGoingoutofMW · 2021-10-10T00:12:22+00:00

You are missing the point.

Tried to make some sex acts work but found out that she didn't liked it? > Absolutely fine.

Did did dirty, kinky sex almost dayli and surprise blow jobs on top of initiating for the 2 - 3 years they were together? > absulutely a no go if she suddenly "grew out" and "matured" and only doing standard sex without any initiating on her part.

Bara-enthusiast · 2021-10-09T20:32:07+00:00

Then unless a girl treats you like a kpop stan treats mr. Youngpoop from BeatTitsASs or smth like that, she doesn't love you

Disposition11 · 2021-10-09T21:14:57+00:00

Could you define what simp means? If it's a measurement of how much I liked a girl at 16/19/22, I would hope I liked a future girl that much, if not more.

gkom1917 · 2021-10-09T22:04:58+00:00

I see what you did here but I must admit that's hilarious

gangweedsavedme · 2021-10-09T23:59:20+00:00

Simped? Wym

MrMescaline · 2021-10-10T03:49:59+00:00

No, because simping is childish and idiotic. You never try to make a move to a woman more than 4 times if she ignored you the first 3. Same with showing excessive of affection, it only displays immaturity and lack of testosterone

AbsolutelyNobody0 · 2021-10-10T04:19:05+00:00

I've never simped, so I'm exempt.

Title	Men, does this sound logical to you?
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Date	October 9, 2021 6:53 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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