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I mentioned that in my comment. I will reiterate: receiving attention and offers, even sexual, means that there are people that desire you. Forever alone guys and girls (?!?) miss exactly that: people that desire them. You can agree with me on the next statement, for example: if you are even a subpar looking girl and message a desperate guy on the internet with the shittiest vibe of “lets fuck”, he will make the absolute possible to meet you and whatever.

Go on forever alone sub and see what kind of stuff those people are dealing with.

I dont know if the offers the girls in the post received are “yooo lets fuck and the you can get the fuck out of my life” but imagine not having at least that much to offer.

Forever alone is exactly that: nobody wants to do anything with you, nobody giving you attention, nobody caring you exist in any medium (online or irl).

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You are absolutely right, it’s an old issue. The thing is those are not the only type of messages. Even respectful messages meant to naturally interact with someone intending to date or whatever are seen as “unwanted attention”. This argument is so easy to use in so many ways since it’s about wanting or not wanting something. The post says “to date them” so…?!?

What’s the point of this post and thread is to imagine that even though you only get shitty messages ALL the time (which, mind you, it’s statistically impossible), is to imagine men don’t have at least that opportunity to say “a random nobody wants to fuck me”. “No reachable soul on earth wants to have sex with me and we have the fucking internet”.

I once posted a beach photo on instagram and a random girl (seemed like a real person not a bot) said something along the lines of “you have a really nice frame”. That was 8 years ago and I still get a dopamine rush on thinking about that. It was the only time in a period of some years that someone acknowledged that I have a quality. Meanwhile things got better. There is a massive ammount of guys that are completly starved of any kind of attention and it’s really fucking you up when you’re young. That’s my only point.

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Yeah I realize it says "to date them" but there's no way to gauge what that actually means. What types of messages were being sent? And for that matter, it's the internet. Who the hell solicits a sexual relationship via something like reddit? That's weird and concerning to begin with.

Given that so many women experience a significant subset of men being aggressive and/or disrespectful in seeking sex/relationships, women are often extra cautious and distrustful of men they do not know... especially randoms in their DMs.

Personally if I was on a subreddit like "forever alone women" I would not respond to DMs either. By being in that group you're broadcasting potential vulnerability. Anyone finding you that way has a higher likelihood of predatory behavior.

I'm not saying lonely men have it easy. Their pain matters. They just don't understand women's experiences. They're looking at it through their own lens and missing a lot of nuance.

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Our destruction will be air travel.

Omicron circled the globe in a matter of days.

When the RHYMES WITH CRYKNEES government splices Omicron with a SuperCOVID strain as deadly as Ebola, and "accidentally" let's it out, the human population will be reduced to maybe 10 or 20% of what it is now, resetting the "eco destruction clock".

COVID was just a test run of the upcoming biological warfare agents.

When the pandemic hit, the "woke social justice" leaders (like Canada's useless virtue signalling Prime Minister) view closing airports as being racist. (people from "marginalized" groups being asked to stop "going home" is racist...why else would he not enforce the so-called rules?).

Every patient zero in every outbreak in this country was a returning traveller. How that's a surprise to anyone is beyond me....

A virus that's dangerous with an r-naught of 3 or 4 will do most of us in. There won't be time for vaccine development and distribution. They might be able to do it in months, but not in just a few weeks - and that's how quickly Omicron spread.

The government that creates this new super-virus, of course, will have vaccines already developed and in storage before it also "accidentally gets out", and, whoever they deem fit to live among their countrymen will surely be given it.

The rest? Ah, they're just dead weight.

Imagine. A weapon that will bring every other nation on Earth to it's knees. You won't even need a military of great size. You'll just show up and people will gladly toil in mines for enough money to give their children bread and a scrap of meat. And better yet, you can cull your OWN herd and just blame the outbreak. Nothing to see here. If you go peacefully to the internment camp by the mine, you'll get a vaccine. But it will be a weak one that you need to get monthly or else succumb... Comply, and your children might get one too. Resist, get tortured, shot, or left to die from the disease. The last one is the beauty of a viral bio weapon. You don't even need that many bullets.

My advice? Learn to speak their language and maybe they'll keep you around as as servant. THAT will be a far better job than lithium or gold miner, post apocalypse.

Social Quiz:

Name the place Avian flu, SARS and COVID all came from. Zoonotic viruses are a new and deadly problem, but they only seem to be coming from this one country. Hmmmmm.

HMMMMMMMM.

PS. Blaming or just suspecting a totalitarian government with a track record of human rights violations is not racist. But, if this post goes whoooosh you'll know why.

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People like they know better than to tamper with a virus too much, otherwise they end up destroy themselves among with everyone else. Like a parasite that ultimately kills the host.

I never said splice COVID and Ebola.

I said they could experiment with genetically modifying Omicron to be more deadly, or Delta to be more spready. Something "as deadly" as Ebola, but "as spready" as Omicron.

And why wouldn't they experiment? Sure it's dangerous. That's why you have Level 5 labs and redundant positive pressure containment suits.

Experimenting with nuclear power was dangerous too.

Yes, if one "gets out" before you have a vaccine made for it, that would be bad for everyone. But what if you could engineer the scenario just enough that it was bad for you but REALLY REALLY BAD for everyone else?

What if it's not about "each life being equally valuable" but more about... winning?

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None of it's impossible.

80 years ago - just in this last century - a totalitarian madman tried to take over the entire free world. He wasn't the first totalitarian madman and he won't be the last.

Now, with enough nuclear weapons in storage to wipe out the planet 5x over, there are better ways. Imagine decimating an entire city and not even breaking a single light bulb.

There are calls right now for an investigation into the source of COVID at Wuhan. Was it a lab leak and what was that lab doing? Like I said. That's three now - Avian, SARS and COVID. When will we wake up and say "Hey, wait, the fifth or seventh or ninth global pandemic came from - where now? The same place? Hmmmm..."

Some say they were experimenting with SARS-type viruses and landed on one that killed only the old, weak and sick. This is especially interesting because viruses that are often very hard on the old can be very dangerous for the very young and babies. The young didn't get so much as a sniffle unless they had severe underlying health conditions. How many viruses in history have behaved this way?

The lunatic left wants to smash all demands for an inquiry under the racism banner but a totalitarian regime that bases it's relationship on the international stage with lies, cover-ups and deceit isn't a "race" anyways.

A plight or a scourge, perhaps, but not a race.

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The lack of evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen.It just means we don't have the evidence yet.

The first clue that there IS evidence somewhere is how evasive that government has been. You know, like there is no evidence of drugs but all three guys in the house were all flushing something down the toilet when the cops arrived...

And yes, this is nothing more than a "conspiracy theory" without evidence.

But the fact Avian, SARS, and now COVID come from the same country. Wow, how many countries have done THAT? Exported not one but three viruses of this nature in the past 10-15 years?

Maybe it's how they handle animals associated with zoonotic viruses in these wet markets. I mean, maybe that's all it takes. Mix the blood, bile, and fecal matter from all manner of zoonotic animals with a fucking garden hose and send it down to some stream somewhere - an ecosystem - with 10,000 other animals living in and drinking that water...

That's actually an easy sell for anyone who has taken "Biology 20".

That's the most LIKELY 'conspirarcy' theory actually. Gross conservational negligence. I mean, the zoonotic animal links are well established. Monkeys, bats and cerval cats, for example, are a rather deadly trio right now in China. Yet, these animals are STILL brought into wet markets, alive and dead, and they're shitting everywhere, bleeding everywhere, and possibly even biting the shop keepers or customers. As a person who will eat practically anything, I get it. I'll eat almost anything that moves too - but some things are more dangerous than others and might require special handling procedures TODAY that were not required 500 or 200 or 100 or even 50 years ago. These new hybrid zoonotic viruses are a game changer in a place that places a high value on tradition. I get that too. That's why it's such a problem.

The world has been largely silent on wet markets after COVID Year 1 (2020). Why is that? Well, it was very "racist" (no, it wasn't) to pick on how a certain country processes an unfathomable variety of plants and animals in a single local using crude cages and garden hoses for sanitation. Does that water even have some chlorine in it? What if you went downtown in your home town and saw a butcher washing barrels full of monkey blood or horse blood or cow blood down into the sewer? You'd lose your fucking shit. That's what you would do, and rightly so.

How many more viruses will have to come out of there before you raise an eyebrow? The next one? How about six.

Six is pretty suspicious.

Five. Let's settle on five.

Whether it came out of an "innocent" lab or a "covert" lab or just a wet market.

COVID is #3.

It's killed hundreds of thousands, and will kill perhaps as many due to stress, employment loss, depression, anxiety, substance abuse and even violence. It's cost countries billions and trillions of dollars and ground some areas of the supply chain to a halt.

And only an idiot would think an encore isn't just right around the corner.

Holding this country to account and asking the PERTINENT QUESTION: "How do you plan to prevent this in the future" is not racist. It's not uncomfortable. It's not inappropriate.

It's essential, and warranted.

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As someone in a happy relationship, I disagree completely. I genuinely like my significant other and enjoy his company. If I never met him, I’d be satisfied dying alone even with moments of loneliness or longing for companionship.

I think that for thousands of years, women were forced to either pair with men and give them children or live a life as a desperately poor, miserable social pariah.

For most of modern recorded history, women paired with men overwhelmingly out of social duress and fear of being “tribe-less” (ridiculed for not having children, broke, alone, seen as broken for not being paired). The fact that the contrary has only been true in masse now for maybe 50 years (and that’s being very generous) seems to be overlooked in these gender role discussions. Bottom line, for most of recorded history, women paired with men because it was a compulsory requirement or you were viewed as strange and even worthy of unhealthy shaming and dehumanization.

Now that taking care of ourselves economically and not having to pair for survival and social acceptance is necessary, women are left trying to figure out what to do when they are completely fine with rejecting men who they have no compatibility with.

For centuries no one gave a shit if a woman didn’t feel compatible or in love with her husband. Just shut up and be a dutiful wife so you don’t starve to death and be socially stoned.

Now that marrying out of social duress isn’t necessary, modern women have to learn to be okay with being alone and childless and not looking at that as some kind of moral failing. If you don’t find the average man interesting or attractive enough to commit to, that’s your business. If anyone tries to make a woman feel bad for that, she should ask herself who benefits if she forces what doesn’t come naturally for her with some guy. Certainly not her. What’s the incentive for that?

Spend your younger years with some guy who doesn’t really do it for you, combine assets, have kids, just to end up dissatisfied and trapped one day…or worse every feeling like a dissatisfying trap…?

Women are naturally communal so there’s no good reason why single women can’t build communities among themselves and nurture one another in an environment in which vulnerability and self realization is ideal.

Also we need to understand that being lonely doesn’t halt because you’re paired with someone. If you are unable to be content alone, being paired won’t Magically fix you.

Right before I met my man, I decided that I can’t force attraction/compatibility, nor can I force the men I actually do like to be my ideal partner…and I refused to try just because I’m over 30 and single. Once that desperation for companionship left, it was easier to appreciate a man I actually liked because I wasn’t madly hoping it would turn into a marriage or some other serious connection. Things just flowed naturally with a man I genuinely like, not some jerk or troll who I’m trying to see with rose colored glasses because he claims to be looking for something serious.

Also, this “pairing under social duress” created several generations of women who weren’t even romantically attracted to men to believe there’s something wrong with them, when they’re just lesbian or asexual. I believe asexuality is very common in women but women are taught that they as re defective when they aren’t willing to let a man penetrate their body. I also believe that many women were attracted to women but lived and died forcing heterosexuality on themselves. My mother was one of those women. She adopted me to get people off her back about her possibly being a lesbian when it was clear to me as a child that she didn’t really want children or a man. Very sad way to live.

There are currently 100 million more men on earth than women, so naturally, a significant portion of the male population won’t have children, won’t pass on genetics, and won’t beat other men for access to resources including the affections and wombs of women. That’s the reality. With that said, it’s selfish for men to feel entitled to companionship with women. Let women decide who they will and won’t pair with and accept your lot in life graciously. That’s what women have had to do for centuries when they couldn’t marry for reasons beyond their control, but still had to suffer the shame and ridicule heaped on so called ‘spinsters’.

It’s self centered and childish to think being born male means you are supposed to be exempt from not being able to procure a mate for reasons beyond your control.

When men blame women rejecting the advances of men on “the excessive amount of validation” they believe women are receiving, they are once again blaming women for their perceived problems. It’s a refusal to deal in the realities created by an unbalanced social hierarchy that for thousands of years did not seriously consider the perspective and societal contributions of women.

The further a pendulum swings to one side, the further it it will eventually swing to the opposite side eventually.

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The most primitive cultures on earth right now restrict the rights of women and are extremely punitive against them. They also are the places most likely to see a drastic difference in population balance between men and women. All first world countries have about a 50/50 ratio of men to women. In places like India and China, (where killing female infants and femcide is or was practiced up until the early 2000’s) men outnumber women as high as 4 to 1 in major cities. Making women a scarcity gives women power passively. The two most important natural resources on earth are water and pussy. Run out of either and extinction is imminent.

Freedom of women is categorically a sign of homeland security, government stability, military strength(or an abundance of peace), a robust economy, more social equity and mobility, food security, a stable and effective healthcare system and a host of other creature comforts.

The doomsday theory that women are destroyers of civilized society is glaringly false, past false really. It’s an outright lie. Red pillers hold up g-d damn nazi sympathizers to try to support that theory, which is so ill-conceived you should be ashamed that you’ve repeated it. If women have significantly done anything to ruin society, what they’ve actually done is more along the lines of:

encouraging the Atlantic slave trade by benefiting directly from it through their fathers and husbands,

cover up the deviancy of the powerful and influential men they marry as to not mess up their meal ticket

agree with oppressive men that the right to control who is born and when should be left in the hands of male politicians

Voting for (male) Demagogues to preserve or expand racial, soci-economic, and socio- political hierarchies that disenfranchise and dehumanize the majority of citizens on earth

Villinize other women for demanding autonomy and opportunity.

Is this amateur hour?

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For centuries no one gave a shit if a woman didn’t feel compatible or in love with her husband.

Then why was so much culture centered around:

Why all the songs about loving women? Why all the verse? Why the cliches like "happy wife; happy life?" Why invent ceremonies? Why have the concept of ceremonial love? Why invent chivalry? Why have traditions like opening doors or standing when the lady stands?

What possible function does any of this serve in a culture where we don't "give a shit" what the object of these constructs thinks??

If you think about an historical period where a culture unambiguously didn't give a shit about a group's feelings, do you still find any of these things? A great example is slavery (and it's not unusual for feminists to claim that women were slaves). In states where slavery was legal, did they erect statues to slaves? Did they "woo" the slaves they bought in the market? Did they write songs about how wonderful the slaves are?

I think you've been fed a revisionist version of history.

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And to speak to your little slavery comment, my grandmother’s mother was born a slave. So I will say with my whole chest BOTH TIDDIES that for a very long time, marriage was ABSOLUTELY slavery for women. There were actually women in my lineage who gasp married their actual owner.

There were levels to slavery. African slaves and livestock were about on the same level, then poor children who were forced to do dangerous labor, then indentured servitude, then (white) women in a marriage. All of the above were considered property, sub human, lowly, less intelligent or less valuable than men, and went uncompensated completely or partially for hard labor. Many died in service to their masters. There were no laws against a man beating his wife until about 60 years ago. So what else am I making up about history?

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Well if you are trying to convince an adult of sound mind to give up their family name and identity, risk their life several times to birth more humans (preferably sons), have sex on demand whether they are attracted to you or not, give up control of any resources they’ve earned or inherited, give up any relenting hope that they can have a life outside of glorified housemaid, sex servant, baby machine, and in many cases punching bag…among a host of other things …you damn sure better come with a song, a poem, a ceremony, or some promise of a sliver of a happy life.

And let’s be perfectly clear, romance and marriage is a VERY modern concept. My mother was born in 1950, my 94 year grandmother was born in 1927. Neither of them got married in rual Louisiana because my father or grandfather serenaded them and recited Shakespeare under their window. They got married so they had hope at moving to a larger city where they didn’t have to sharecrop in order to not starve to death come winter.

My version of events is rooted in REALITY, you’re the one who has a romanticized perspective (pun intended) of what womanhood has looked like in the past century.

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…you damn sure better come with a song, a poem, a ceremony, or some promise of a sliver of a happy life.

Note that you just conceded the point to me. You started off claiming that "no one gave a shit" and now you're conceding that yes, women did have to be convinced, which means people did give a shit what they thought.

trying to convince an adult of sound mind to give up their family name and identity

That's the feminist narrative. Another narrative is that a healthy family is one where the partners combine to, you know, form a family. Doing that isn't "giving up your identity"

Yes, traditionally the new family uses the man's last name. But your feminist narrative presupposes you to view that negatively. If it just so happens that the tradition was to take the woman's last name, you would still view it negatively. That's just what you do. You'd probably say something like, "the man gets a free new start literally stealing the wife's family name THIS IS OPPRESSION!!!"

You're always going to describe every situation that way. I mean look at this:

risk their life several times to birth more humans

As though her risk due to childbirth is greater than the male's risk protecting and providing for the family. We know that isn't true based on the age of our Y-chromosome ancestor vs. the age of our mitochondrial ancestor.

But this never even crosses your mind because you are primed by feminism to only see one thing. It's frankly sexist.

romance and marriage is a VERY modern concept.

....he says, without a shred of self awareness, in reply to a comment where I cited several sources that are hundreds of years old.

The point I was making (and I was right) is that obtaining a woman's consent has always been a prerequisite to human reproduction. Women's consent is why men have an instinct of love. If you don't see what I'm getting at, just let me know.

My mother was born in 1950, my 94 year grandmother was born in 1927. Neither of them got married in rual Louisiana because my father or grandfather serenaded them and recited Shakespeare under their window.

I think it's sad that you believe your grandfather didn't love your grandmother. I encourage you to call your mother right now - I'm not kidding, right now - and ask if she has any letters that your grandfather wrote to his bride.

I am seriously feeling pity for you right now that you would write that about your own ancestors.

My version of events is rooted in REALITY

No, it's obviously not since I'm so easily able to shoot it all down.

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My mothers dead and I never said my parents and grandparents didn’t love each other. My point is marrying for love is a modern and commercial ideology.

As to everything else that you said, the fact that all of history is recorded by and centered on the male experience is what makes a so called “feminist narrative” even necessary. History is recorded taught and interpreted damn near as if women didn’t exist or just sat quietly observing until they were told to do something.

It’s easy to dismiss the perspective of women historically when every man ever for the past 5000 years has done exactly that.

“Feminist narrative” is just this century’s version of “old wives tale”. It all language weaponized against perspectives that challenge the dominant narrative told solely from the perspective of white males.

When men say that women are evil and god left men in charge to keep women in line that’s called “religion”. When men say women have been given all their rights by men that’s called “politics”. When men say that the real work is in protecting and providing for a family that’s called “patriarchy”. Give me a fucking break.

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So you mean to tell me that there’s no way a woman currently in her 30’s was affected by the social status quo that only ended 20 years before she was born 🤔

not more than men are affected by the feminist shift. Absolutely.

So you’re saying that thousands of years of engineered human behavior stopped immediately and entirely in just one generation…and has been effectively reversed in less than 50 years?

Social engineering is the key word. Which gender is pushed forward and which gender is restricted with todays medial and societal influence? How is the current societies narrative in this regard? Stop the caty newman shit.

Please don’t allow your cognitive dissonance to make a fool of you.

You have it backwards. From school over university till the first management levels. In these segments there are only advantages of being a woman while there is nothing officially only for men.

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So women have been actually banned from formal education, economic participation, and politics for 500 years and you think the same thing is currently being done to men? You think someone is actively stopping men from doing anything of note?

I’m sorry, when did the majority of law makers, judges, police officers, college deans and professors, millionaires, billionaires, successful business owners, history book authors, religious leaders, gods, historical heros, scientist, doctors, best selling authors, tech tycoons, television writers directors and producers, movie writers directors and producers, world leaders, successful musicians, record label executives, Fortune 500 executives, middle management at major corporations, I could go on…but when did the majority of these roles stop being filled by men? Is there a law that men can’t own property? Are men not allowed access to any industry just because they are men? Have you been denied an opportunity you were actually qualified for because you’re a man? If not you than who?

Sounds like the only thing men currently have less access to than ever before is women. So what the hell are you talking about?

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You are repeating yourself over and over again with your "muhh history" arguement and once again wasting way to many words for something that can be completely covered in one single sentence.

You are just blind that the pendulum already swung well over the point of equality (not as far as it was before on the other side i give you that) and NO ONE should care about any status quo of the past especially if it's no longer the case. I couldn't care less about the privilege some old geezer had 50 years ago because i don't have it right now. And you shouldn't care about the lack of rights and oppurtunities (other) women had in the past because you have them now.

Obviously nothing is excluding men from anything at least "officially" spearking but as these promotions throughout the common path are excluding the men barely making the cut. They get left behind for "diversity" reasons as it's how they work. And this wall isn't invisible unlike the famous feminist counterpart.

But i find it always interesting that your cute little counting is focusing solely on prestigious jobs and titles but you know what? Which jobs were historically done by 99% of men and are STILL done by 99% of men today? Yes you get it. It's the underpaid, dangerous and essential jobs you feminists always love to ignore. And this is the only history arguement that should count because it's still prevalent today.

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So what is your point? That men have always worked, earned money, and been seen as vital to societal life and the economy? Is that the point you’re trying to make. Okay whatever.

And why even mention the pendulum metaphor if you can’t even bring yourself to suppose that it has swung equally as far in the opposite direction? You do understand that this metaphor exist to illustrate how correction of structural discrimination works right?

The more a particular group of people dominate another, the more wrongs they will eventually have to right if civility is to prevail. The longer the crimes against other’s humanity went unchecked, the longer it will take to undo what was wrongfully and/or ignorantly done. So sell this bullshit that history has no bearing on the current state of affairs to some knuckle-dragging mouth breathing jackass who will agree with you to appease his little ego and stop wasting your time saying that nonsense to me.

The only time white males don’t rush to dismiss the past is when they are painted as the hero’s, Titans, winners, benevolent leaders, authors of modern society etc. That phenomena in and of itself is telling but mostly pathetic.

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They already did their job and can now be removed in the near future when the last boomers reach their retirement. Even without them their effects will not go away. And i'm not an american your judgement is just bad as usual.

And with this comment i will answer your other comment too. You are just washing away the disgraceful situation in the working class with "men always had to work" you are also ignoring the state of education where girls and women made to outperform most boys and men.

You are speaking about social conditioning and you FALSELY overestimating the time to make huge effects but exactly this social conditioning is doing men and boys wrong. Most are restricted, wrongly wired, forced into behaviours unnatural to them which leads to worse outcomes down the road and this is proof that it doesn't take long. Young women already outearning their male peers well into their late mid to late 20' usually reversed by the INDIVIDUAL decision to get pregnant and leaving the job but your still want more?

But you are a greedy feminist. You want advantages just for being a women justified by disadvantages you NEVER faced yourself period and then you are calling me PATHETIC because i refuse to be discriminated because my gender discriminated your gender in the past?. You are living in your little tiny bubble halfly made out feminist myths.

No it doesn't take longer to change the status quo regardless if were 50 or 1000 years two generations with proper upbringing is enough which we are already at cultural influence from 100 years ago is not going to affect a newborn of today. You are thinking "white males" are only talking about history when they are heroes which is factually wrong because most big evils in history and in media are white men so what is it?

In all your comments you are only saying the same flawed history arguement and you are expecting me to bow down to the individual discrimination such programms are inevitably enforcing upon men who are good but not the best. Your mindset is "If women have it worse than men it's injustice but if men have it worse it's just life." Just go away you disgusting feminist, you are leeching energy like a discussion with a toddler.

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How does a woman has to work harder within these women promoting programms which by definition is made for women? I very well know how it works since we got such policies in our company in which i had to defend myself just because i've hired more boys and young adults than my predecessor. It was still more girls i've hired but it gives you a glance of companies mindset. Women have it easier entry level which is the most important step in someones career.

And if you complain about some percieved inconvenience about lack of respect or having to work harder to prove yourself than that is mostly installed by rampant feminism media. If you mean the higher echelon of management levels then you are right because there are still way more (older) men than women but since these positions are such rare this is neglectable.

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No reply..I am surprised.. I guess men are getting better at ignoring women..which they should really do..

I did not care to even read.. beyond

As someone

why do women ... start everything with

"as a woman"

"as someone"

"as ..."

I don't care what you are.. because you don't care who I am.. and I am generalizing it on all women... I hope most men will understand that to not give any validation to any woman at all, is in their best interest... ppl often tell you, you need to try else some other man will take her, but they tell this to every man..

All you are left with is 100,000 men trying for 1 woman cause they all believe if they don't try someone else will take the woman.. we all know who gets her in the end.. that good looking guy who has top 5% genes .. why even try and make your life miserable...

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And? Men had to prove they could replace or improve what the woman’s father could provide for her, because her being able to provide for herself wasn’t a possibility at all. Also, if the woman came from money, a man seeking to marry her had to be of the same class as her father to protect the wealth that the woman would inherit and relinquish control of to her husband.

Whether or not the woman liked the man, found him desirable or interesting, or even wanted to be married and give birth at all wasn’t the concern of her family. Whether or not the family’s interest was protected and societal position was improved was the central concern if not the ONLY concern. So basically, if a man is in the market for a chef/maid/baby making machine he better prove to the manufacturer that he can afford and maintain that machine because otherwise the manufacturer (her father) can reject the offer in favor of another consumer (potential husband) Nevermind if she liked him/loved him. In many cases whether or not he was safe or kind or too old for the woman wasn’t even thought of. And forget about an age of consent. A girl could be married off as soon as she got her monthly cycle around ages 12-16. My grandmother told me she was lucky to be married at 18 and not much younger because it was nothing for girls as young as 11 years old to be sent off to marry a man twice their age or older.

So what’s your point?

Edit: to drive the point home, child marriage is legal in 44 states in the US, requires only parental consent, and overrides statutory r*pe laws and child abuse laws… meaning you can legally have with a minor if you marry them. 86% of these marriages are underaged girls married to grown men. To make this even more horrifying, these underaged child brides cannot legally file for divorce until they are 18. So right now in America, a 12 year old can be married off to a 25 year old, and spend the next six years of her life getting r****, financially abused, and impregnated against her will, and have no course of action to defend herself until her 18th birthday. That’s here in America. I can’t imagine the horrors taking place elsewhere.

Source:

https://populationmatters.org/news/2021/04/child-marriage-us-where-outrage

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The part about being in a relationship and still lonely: yes.

I don’t know if just women are communal; I think both sexes are.

I’m reading about how the literal city is built in the modern US. The way we separate areas is weird and unnatural. A commute (by car) to work generally decreases happiness, maybe because it makes us feel separate from the environment. Everything is too separated right now. We separate food and people. We separate basically everything from living areas (notice how your neighbor is unlikely to be a business), and we are all suffering as a result.

Thinking back to the happiest I’ve ever been: attended a small college when I lived in the dorms. Everything and everyone was a 15-20 min walk (or less) away from me. Food? Walk to get it. Friends? Walk to see them. class? Walk there. Study group? Walk. Some social club? Walk. Work? Lucky me! Got to walk to my part time on campus job. the best 3 years of my life….and it’s been not replicable since, 12 years later.

After attending (and dropping out of) a larger school for grad, I realized that college itself wasn’t what made college so damn good; it was the infrastructure.

And unfortunately for me, 6 years since dropping grad and understanding my deep unhappiness, I’m exactly where I was before this: unhappy with work, life, most things. My wife is about the only good part of this mess, and our relationship cannot be sustained with only ourselves.

Long post but to;dr: the OP is a funny meme, but wrong. Lacks any EQ whatsoever, still makes me laugh. I agree with above poster moreso, but think that men also need community. It’s a human need that’s been stripped of society. Loneliness isn’t about “has partner v does not,” even though sex is a human need, we are suffering past this point and may do better in some irl brotherhood: even the brotherhood of war somehow is beginning to seem desirable to leave this monotonous, too comfortable…separateness.

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That's a lot of text to unload, not sure if you could have said the same thing more succinctly with less, but I'll read through it.

Right off the bat, I already said I was overgeneralizing, of course not all women/men (humans) are going to be part of the generalization. If it doesn't fit you specifically great, it doesn't concern you imo.

If I never met him, I’d be satisfied dying alone even with moments of loneliness or longing for companionship.

That's a contradiction, and I would argue still you're right because there are other ways to feel connected socially and environmentally with others, but the typical person isn't.

Your whole blurb on women's history, I agree too, my personal opinion is the patriarchy isn't necessary, it can be clearly seen today. I would argue what's going on with woman today is more related to the human experience as a whole, and men are experiencing this too since it takes two to tango, one side shifting towards more independence is going to cause the other to do the same, which I think can also be seen happening today.

The rest of what you said I don't think disagrees with what I first said, just goes more on a tangent to the topic of women's history you brought up (which is a bit unrelated to my main point of the hedonic treadmill effect humans experience).

Edit: grammar

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It’s not a contradiction because I just happened to meet someone who actually was able to show that their presence did not diminish or pale in comparison to my contentment being alone. As far as your generalization, it doesn’t work because generalizations need to apply to an overwhelming majority to reflect some semblance of truth and/or reality. Most women do not experience some grand level of validation from the opposite sex. And no one needs to validate why they reject anyone or prove they are truly lonely by pairing or giving any level of access to any random who dms them.

None of these conversations work outside of the context of status quo human behavior that preceded the current flux and transition we are in as far as human relationships.

Even the fact that there are currently 100 milllion more men on earth than women is a result of thousands of years of believing that female children were an economic burden and male children were an economic asset. Men try to isolate our current issues in a historical vacuum to force theories that ideologically and pragmatically place the blame on women. The truth is, nearly all of the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of patriarchy and there’re not way around it.

That’s exactly why I fleshed out my thought in the way that I did. The (selective) lack of historical context in these discussions is a bore and counterproductive.

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If you think men outnumbering women by 100 million is a natural occurrence you’re misinformed. You can thank femicide, and infant femcide for that. Under normal Circumstances (read in places where women and babies aren’t murdered just for being female) the rate at which male babies outnumber female babies is immaterial. It doesn’t deviate far from 50/50 at all.

Discontentment is a state of mind and being paired doesn’t eradicate it and that’s my point. Humans are communal and need to be around other humans, but that doesn’t always mean romantically. I’d even venture to say that women who have a solid circle of female friends and family members whether they are paired with someone or not tend to be happier women. That’s my opinion.

Scientifically speaking, the belief that everyone should have a dedicated mate is forced and not organic. Some humans are genetic dead ends, some humans just will not have a love interest. If you’re meant to have that I believe in due season you will. But because it’s something beyond most of our control (you can’t force anyone to love you, like you, be sexually attracted to you) as an adult you better be okay being alone and find some joy in it.

Even if you do romantically pair with someone, you’re not guaranteed to always be with them. The idea that anything or anyone apart from yourself will eradicate your discontentment is silly and childish. To that point, in my experience, this is something men have a harder time coming to grips with. Which is why past 35, you’re more likely to see a man being desperate for companionship than a woman of the same age.

Men’s desperation for companionship is an actual stimulator of economic activity. Call girls, cam models, high profile escorts, trophy wives, sugar babies etc will always have customers, clients, and benefactors, majority of them being male. That’s actually a red pill talking point…the idea that older men can get female companionship if they’re willing to pay for it. It’s just desperation rebranded.

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Under normal Circumstances (read in places where women and babies aren’t murdered just for being female) the rate at which male babies outnumber female babies is immaterial. It doesn’t deviate far from 50/50 at all.

You've disproved your own argument here i.e. this isn't a feature of west societies.

Men are much more likely to reach 35 with no experience. https://www.joe.ie/life-style/amount-men-30-not-sex-nearly-tripled-past-decade-663846

If men are thirsty dogs, then part of that is because they're living in the proverbial desert of zero validation going back to youth; if women are happier it's because they've experienced the opposite, giving them a different perspective. That said, all the enraged 30+ femcels writing man hating manifestos on places like FDS indicates large enough numbers aren't.

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Oh get the fuck out of here. Less men screwing means less pregnancy and namely, unwanted pregnancy. Hypothetically of course, and to illustrate how much of a problem sexually irresponsible men can be: one man could create 1500 unwanted pregnancies in a year by ejaculating five times a day for 300 days. You tell me the last time a woman’s orgasm got anyone pregnant.

When I was 10 years old the world population was 6 billion and now it’s nearly 8 billion. In less than 30 years the world population grew by nearly 2 billion. If that type of growth were to compound over the next 30 years we’d have a structural nightmare that makes the last two years look like a cake walk.

You may not like it but in the grand scheme of things, a few 100 million men dying virgins is a life saving turn of events. I don’t see the down side.

Besides that, there have been and always will be loose women making poor choices. We have several gender specific derogatory names for them in attempt to dehumanize, humble, and shame their behavior…as well as label them so no one confuses them for decent women. Tell me, what gender specific name is there for a man who sleeps around and ejaculates all over the place with no regard for his future, sexual health, mental health, and the creating of bastard children? And don’t say deadbeat because mothers and fathers can be called that. What’s the male equivalent of “slut” or “whore”? There isn’t one. Now we’re moving into a time where that’s even more true because men are struggling to get even one woman to screw them. Again, I don’t see the problem here.

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Your argument only works with the assumption of women as infantilized non-agents. Bar rape, 1500 unwanted pregnancies requires 1500 consenting women who likely wanted to have sex, it's that simple. They aren't going to turn gay should fewer men show interest, they'll just fuck those who are still up for it.

And anyway the majority of men who find themselves older virgins are completely outside of all this, not the types to have dozens of partners. Most would be satisfied with a stable girlfriend, but they're cut of dating because of shyness, innate introversion or mental health disorders that get a pass in women. I mean maybe it's a much to expect empathy given your appalling view of men as thirsty animals, but yeah, these guys aren't the problem.

As for world population again this is the developing world. Several wealthier countries are heading towards below replacement.

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That isn’t a design flaw, it is a feature.

If humans could “win” then we would permanently stagnate.

Species (or members of our species) that could win lost as they fell behind those that could never win.

It is also why we love violence. Oppression and power. We also rotate out who we hate for this reason (to prevent us deleting a group that very well could be the best in the next generation.

So we follow a “yesterday’s losers, are today’s oppressed, are tomorrow’s victims” cycle.

It is also why women care so much about certain oppressed groups but have no empathy at all for other groups of oppressed people.

Ofc, evolution is holding us back now. In order to “transcend” our animalistic selves to be a space fairing species, we need to end natural selection and take control of evolution instead of allowing it to control us. The very same traits that got us here are the same holding is back.

But the people who would have the wisdom, intelligent and ability to do this are almost always among the losers of our species. We really, really hate those whom are “good” while we love “evil”

It is why we praise and adore people like Hitler and Stalin, we throw endless rewards, authority and power at them. And hate

This then ends up with us being burned. It is why good is seen as good and evil is seen as evil. There is no morality, we just look at what actions do to us and say the bad ones are evil and the good ones are good

It is why masturbation, sex outside of marriage and such was evil. It led to bad outcomes and so the people who suffered through them passed down that said things were evil.

It is also why our views on sex have shifted. What was once evil could be seen as good now because of technology.

So yeah, humans are shit animals playing god. We are confident, prideful, special, unique, etc because we are weak, the truth it that we are not better then a rock.

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Ofc, evolution is holding us back now. In order to “transcend” our animalistic selves to be a space fairing species, we need to end natural selection and take control of evolution instead of allowing it to control us.

But the people who would have the wisdom, intelligent and ability to do this are almost always among the losers of our species

Yeah, reminds me of the movie Idiocracy where the trailer trash are reproducing like flies but smarter people are figuring it's not a good time to start a family due to market conditions....

It's arrogant of us to think the global space community will accept up. If they knew what we were about, they'd probably just particle beam us into oblivion and not give us a second thought.

We should really be looking towards man/machine interfaces - and transfer consciousness out of these fallible mortal coils.

Some people like the idea of living a thousand or maybe 10,000 years.

Others are happy with 80.

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Some women, like me, chose to be single even if it’s annoying and we complain because simply put: it doesn’t seem fair to lead someone on who is “just good enough” can you imagine if people just settled like that all the time? That just leads to unhappiness and someone getting really hurt if their partner eventually leaves bc they felt they settled. I was single for three years and fucking miserable, and I didn’t want to settle. Then I met my boyfriend and I’m so glad I didn’t settle. I met other people I potentially would have dated if I had been single ironically when I had a boyfriend, and I only noticed that I met more people I liked when I did more in person activities with similar interests. I don’t begrudge guys who didn’t date me even though I was good enough for them, if they didn’t want me to the level they should have, it wasn’t meant to be.

Connection is important, random strangers offering themselves up without any connection just doesn’t work with the woman psyche

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And that is your opinion. Attractiveness is vastly subjective. A 7 who checks all the boxes for you will be far more attractive than a 10 who doesn't check any boxes but is regarded as the perfect man/women Beauty wise.

You seem to not have understood what i said. Throughout history men taught men how to be like men and women taught women how to be like women. But with last few decades most of what men taught were being considered toxic and women's way of living were taught to men. Which doesn't work for men. The "there is always atleast one person for you in this world", "if it's meant to be then it will happen" mindset have high chance if working fir women but not men. If men don't actively pursue a relationship the most likely scenario is he will just die alone unless he is in top 20%.

Not to mention how about women stop wearing make up if they are soo attractive?

Look i agree with you on some level. I also feel like women are more attractive than men but I'm a guy in his 20's ofcourse I will feel this way. But what you said us just not a fact but an opinion.

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Those men must be (insert bad intentions).

That is unironically what a lot of reddit thinks. Out in the real world, I am friendly and talk to people all the time, and I can count on one hand the number of times I've been completely shot down like "don't talk to me" - so, real women generally enjoy social interactions and it's okay to talk to them if you're polite.

But when considering the idea of """approach""" it seems that women recall bad, awkward, uncomfortable, even scary situations they've been in, and assume that's what you're asking permission to do to them - and then inevitably tell you (on reddit): DON'T TALK TO US!

There's a reddit power user named /u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK who is pretty far from "red pill" but I saved a comment he posted about having asked women, how would you like us to approach you - and being surprised that the consensus was, "DON'T"

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I tried LDR without meeting, then meeting twice every year (distance/lack of funds), tried to make it work for 5+ years. In the longterm, it doesn't work, and not only because of the lack of physical contact, but also you are simply not as likely to be able to be present in the other's life (meeting friends/family, having shared experiences, spontaneity, in many cases there is language/culture barrier) and that's destructive to a relationship. it may work for some people, on the short term

If a random guy DMs me on reddit, good chance he is on a different continent than I am, obv I won't be interested in dating him (regardless of any of his attributes), as an LDR is not what I seek

Also there is the concept of that you go into some situations open to seeking out a relationship, but in some other situations you don't want to bother with that as that requires emotional energy/effort, and venting on a subreddit like that is def the second one for many ppl

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There are several factors to consider here. If I was repulsive to 8 out of every ten men and it would cost me thousands of dollars to change that, it would come down to one of two things a. Could I afford that and would it be a wise investment if I can b. Do I actually want to change my appearance solely to attract men

There are several women who have counted up the cost and determined that for one reason or another, it’s either not possible or not worth it. Doesn’t mean they don’t suffer or feel lonely. I’m a pretty attractive woman, fit, nice smile, clear skin, flat stomach, large bust firm backside. Those things are genetic and cost me nothing, and naturally make me attractive to a fair amount of men. It can be very distracting, especially when a fair amount of men believe that because I’m physically attractive that my interest outside of sex with them and being their trophy is a waste of my time. Or the opposite end of the spectrum, they think me having interest besides them means I’m not interested at all because of their own insecurities.

If I wasn’t naturally attractive, knowing what I know about men, spending money to get and maintain good looks artificially would be a massive waste of resources. Men really take for granted that even lonely women don’t center men in their day to day lives, because it’s a bad investment of time and resources. Being attractive to men used to literally be taught in schools because getting married was an economic necessity for women. Since that’s changed, what woman has time for that when bills are due and most men couldn’t afford to fully support her even if they wanted to?

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And that man should just accept that and/or be willing to pay for companionship. Men wrap a lot of their self esteem up in what they can “win”. When men can’t beat other men in sports, they claim their favorite team, buy a jersey, and live vicariously through other men by watching sports on tv or going to games. When they can’t put earn other men they project themselves onto rich politicians and in some cases celebrity personalities. But not being able to “win” sex and the affections of women seems to drive men to the point of insanity.

Women want to be adored and cherished more than they want sex. To be able to easily get the chance to be some mans semen receptacle isn’t a win for a woman of any age. And there are some women who can’t even get that. They don’t go shooting up shopping malls and drugging men at parties.

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Firstly, that doesn’t discount the fact in any way, even assuming it were true; of which it is only partially so. Secondly, of course they are attractive as a result of genetics, no one’s arguing that that is not so (discounting plastic surgery, of course). Merely that their type of attractiveness, as well as their demeanour, is more feminine leaning. Third, are you not familiar with the statement ‘80% of women go for 20% of men’? Assuming you are, and assuming that you are also aware that 80% of women do not get 20% of men for the obvious issue pf number, would you not consider it a logical fallacy to presume that obsession and ‘action’ are not one and the same? Additionally, this is a very convenient statement for you, seeing as there is no way to prove it lest we transport western Kpop fans to Korea to see what they do in proximity to these idols.

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Oh trust me, I work in the field, so I know it isn't simple by any stretch of the imagination - but the nuance doesn't present how you have described, which ironically was a crude and oversimplified idea. Autistic Spectrum Condition presents differently in each Autistic individual. There are people who go through their entire lives without they or anyone they know realising they have it. While there are others who need assistance with daily living because of it.

You have conflated Autism with neurodivergence which is an umbrella term for a number of different conditions. Dyslexia does not make any sound at all if the individual has the right assistive tech for example. Dragon for the computer will ensure the person can write articulate documents and emails at work.

Autistic people often have accentuated strengths in certain areas and so are 500% 'there' and leaving neurotypicals in there midst, for dust. You might want to educate yourself a bit more on the topic. It's a lot more interesting than you summise.

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Lonely men have literally no one to talk to, and no one who shows interest in them. Many men go through their teens without ever having experienced that a woman gave them a compliment, wanted to actively talk to them for non school/work related reasons, or said yes to go on a date. When they go on dating sites, they have zero matches, and will not have any opportunity to even show who they are or what their personality is like. They cant even begin to pick out who would be a good partner for them, since they have never talked to a potential candidate, ever.

The problem of no knowing whom of a large amount of men who show interest is actually sincere, or a nice person, is a quite different problem, since a person who is popular can just reject the unpleasant or unsincere people until only good people remain.

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It really is an impossible feedback loop:
Women get exhausted from online dating when they have to deal with overwhelming, desperate men. -> Women leave quickly -> Fewer women who match with men -> Men swipe on more of the women, and get more desperate for the few matches they get.. -> the cycle continues..

How can this ever be balanced out? (unless you have a curated dating site that only allowed the most successful men to join to preserve a reasonable gender ratio). But that doesnt do much for the unsuccessful men.

I truly think that having normal, platonic, friendly interactions with women in the teen years is important for social development, and that it is something that many lonely men lack.
By being used to socialize around women for purely non-sexual reasons, i think a man will develop an aura that he is safe to be around, and that women will be treated as peers and humans, not something to put on a pedestal or to win over to gain a relationship.
There are physical factors that truly makes it harder for men to date in the west, such as height, baldness, ethnicity, autism etc, but while most men do manage to find love anyway, it is hard when it is combined with a history of never having socialized around women before. It breeds a lot of bitterness and negative feedback loops that are hard to break.

As for the female perspective, it must be truly demoralizing to realize that 90% of men you find attractive, only say they want a long term relationship with you just to have sex with you in the short term.

I think the happiest relationships happen when both people feel that their partner is a real catch and out of their league :p

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I think this is age dependent and flipped. A lot of young women don't get too emotionally invested in relationships as men their age do because of this. They feel "oh there's always a guy waiting for a chance" so it's easy for them to walk away from a relationship or not get as invested as a guy, or for them to choose to be alone

On the opposite end guys may think this way and not get invested in a relationship cause there's many "flavours" to try. Many different types of girls to go after and have sex with so why choose one?

Dilemma of young people.

I think women typically don't know what it's like to be alone until they're older, I.e in their 30's, and guys typically don't know how to open up and form relationships that are serious and not superficial until then, in our youth we're wired and socially pressures to learn how to sleep with the girl not to be with her.

I think maturity is needed on both sides to bridge the gap. Ultimately people need to grow up and not be so full of themselves thinking "oh there's a lot of fish to pick from"or "oh there's a lot of flavours to try". Being full of yourself and thinking you'll always have options or that sex with various types of people brings fulfilment to your life is the issue many face in both genders. People just gotta be humble, mature, grow up, and not let perfect be the enemy of the good, or curiousity for experiences make them shut off themselves from the possibility of growing with one person.

Tbh idk how I got this post in my feed or why I'm even commenting but it is what it is aye

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I believe women are biologically attracted sexually to innate masculinity. It's one of our primal brain functions.

Due to societies expectations upon gender roles and possible childhood adversity , some men adopted the " toxic masculinity " ideals.

With a very distorted perspective upon women ( most likely their unhealed mother wounds ) Men become disrespectful.

Abusive, non-committal and sexually driven these men don't function passively. They aggressively take what they want by psychologically manipulating the woman's mind.

His aggressive nature doesn't give her enough time to think about what she really wants , before he has his penis buried deep into her vaginal canal.

He's probably very good at what he does, he's been functioning this way for years with no repercussions.

This can distort women's minds because it's a play on their brain chemicals. In a sense manipulating the love and bonding and intertwining it with high levels of cortisol creates ( by default ) a major attachment from the woman.

"Never awaken a woman's heart with no intentions of loving her " Bob Marley

MFers out here be doing Just That .. SMH ..🖕

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Women in a nutshell

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Title	Women in a nutshell
Author	nothatyoucare
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Comments	637
Date	January 1, 2022 9:02 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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