I ask this because of a recent thread asking people if they’d date a gender-flipped version of themselves. A lot of male posters say they would absolutely date their female equivalent (FE), which made me wonder how hairy their FE would be. Do these posters expect that their FE would groom themselves the same way so many other women do, despite having the same personality as a guy? Do these posters shave/wax their body hair, despite this not commonly being expected of men? Do these posters imagine that women in general (including their FE) just magically have no body hair in certain places?
I personally think a lot of guys underestimate how much work women put into their appearance (and I’m not just talking about “deceptive” stuff like makeup). But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe these people would like their FE to be as hairy as them?
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I feel like it’s a bit of a redundant question tho cos I would be okay with dating a male equivalent of myself but that doesn’t mean I would like him to wear high heels, dresses and and fake lashes like I do.
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And have periods out his penis.
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0 to 100 real quick my guy
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Lol, current GF grooms herself less than me (since covid and remote work).
I lift and play sports to maintain masculinity standards. Would a gender-flipped version need to exercise as much? Or would you expect her to compensate with equivalent femininity standards instead? Because lifting heavy weights and carefully monitoring nutrition and protein intake takes time and effort too.
Would be nice if she could cook at least as well as me.
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Lmao, so cryptic.
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In your opinion, what would a similar amount of work look like?
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Women don't all wear makeup. Women can "beta out" too, especially with remote work. Beauty standards are imposed by other women in public spaces, not to impress male partners or dates.
Lifting weights, counting macros, intermittent fasting, and other athletic training is all work. A good career may take long-term investment in multiple degrees, professional development, ass-kissing, and grinding long hours. Most men I know have done all that.
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Why would she? Social status? Professionalism? Women tend to impose the harshest judgments about female beauty standards (makeup, hair style, fashion, accessories, eyebrows, purse, shoes). To impress other girls at school and work, to avoid bullying from mean girls, to make friends with other high status women, to appear professional to strangers...
Men don't even notice half those details, just caring about body shape and looking put together. If they're doing it to impress men, it's a lot of wasted effort.
Women don't always wear makeup for dates. Source: have been on many dates with many women. Especially in LTRs, they may stop wearing it for their partner, only wearing it to "go out" (impress strangers, not her man).
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The only thing I can think for men that would not also apply to women is maintaining hair and facial hair much more routinely than most men do now. To have a fair equivalent to how often women are expected to maintain their own body hair would mean men need to either completely shave their face everyday, or at least shave everyday to maintain a clean shape. Women tend to have longer hair that doesn't need cut very often so another male equivalent would be getting a haircut multiple times a week to maintain their clean edges before they even grow into something messy. Because women are expected to shave their legs, underarms, etc the moment stubble even grows. They don't wait until it's "grown out" or messy to maintain it. (Or at least that's the expectation)
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Because legs grow stubble literally the next day and the hair is visible by the second day. So if you want non visible stubble, you'd need to shave at least your calves every other day. If you want completely smooth/soft legs to the touch (which some women do) you'd need to shave them everyday.
That's why the only equivalent I could think of is instead of going every 2-4 weeks, men keeping the hair on their heads shaved before the stubble even grows, which would be only a few days.
Not every man shaves their balls and there is not the same societal expectation that women have to do so. And the point of the comment was to find things that don't have a female equivalent should men hypothetically adopt extra maintenance practices like women already have. There is an equivalent to shaving your balls for women, labia.
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My bf used to shave his chest when we met, but I actually like it hairy so I kinda started to manipulate him (jk) into not shaving and succeeded. Anyway I'm lasered because I hate hair on myself and wasn't gonna get waxed every month, we both happy 😊😊
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I only shave armpits because I feel like they’re less smelly if they’re shaved. But I don’t have a lot of body hair to begin with.
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maybe instead of attacking groups of people have something relevant or with a point to say rather than just slinging mud.
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I feel like saying “your body is not good, you must shave it because you are a woman”, was the first attack. So the way I see it, I am only attacking people who are belligerent in the first place. This conflict would never have happened if the other group could have just accepted the fact that hair grows.
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You are the exception then. Unless you’re trying to hurt a woman’s chance of getting a date, this is terrible advice.
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I didn’t give any advice. And I didn’t say anything about what I personally find to be attractive. You make a lot of assumptions, this makes it difficult to try to talk to you. Please just read the words I say and respond to those. Then this would be an effective conversation.
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Sorry I didn’t know you were so sensitive
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Stop.
There is always some dummy that tries to make this argument.
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Does anyone with body hair look like a man to you? That women naturally have? Might want to get your eyes tested.
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Do you think a man should have a job if he is already rich?
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Now I'll be waiting for the topic complaining how women deceive hapless man by shaving, waxing, etc.
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Did you think before writing this? Does brushing your teeth deceive anyone? Brushing teeth is not the same thing as using makeup
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Definitely.
You're correct on both points.
Now, do you think hair removal is more like A) brushing your teeth or B) using makeup?
Hint: One is necessary to maintain good oral health and the other's purpose is to create a more attractive though not necessarily natural appearance.
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It's not the same thing as shaving your body hair either.
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It is a basic standard of human interaction. If you think every man who works a white collar job isn’t clean shaven or has groomed facial hair.
Literally, the first advice given to male virgins is to cut their hair and take a shower.
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I've seen quite a few bad beards from white collar men, and as you can see they have options. (Favial hair is also a bit different as its positioning makes hygiene more important.) So you should shave or properly care for visible hair. But female body hair often isn't visible so I'm unsure how it's a "basic standard of human interaction".
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People will generally not tell strangers that they need to wear deodorant, or trim their mustache or that their plastic surgery looks comical. That doesn’t mean they aren’t thinking it.
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You’re fine with armpit hair? I feel like that’s way worse than leg hair
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Giving oral sex is better when she is shaved. Pubes in nostrils is not fun. Other than that it doesn’t matter.
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Shut up .. Just shave...
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Omg I literally live in a snow globe or I’m odd I can’t believe hairlessness is so important to people
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I get a Brazilian once a month. Shave my legs twice a week and armpits once a week. My husband definitely prefers the smooth look. I’m happy to do it to please him.
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