It's not a coincidence that women who have high amounts of experience tend to hate men and be the most cynical

thetruthishere_ · 2023-10-30T21:55:10+00:00

I have plenty of experience with men, more so than most women. Im a part time escort. I dont hate men at all.

I dont know any women in real life that hate men, its just someting I see from some loud minority on the net.

sweetbrown89 · 2023-10-30T21:47:35+00:00

Uh, OP…I don’t think you understand that what you’re implying with this post is that the more that women are exposed to men, the more negative experiences they will have

That just…highlights men as the common, troubling variable

grillopie · 2023-10-30T18:40:37+00:00

Its not a coincidence, but it also likely doesnt fit your explanation. Plenty of women with lots of experience are in happy relationships, or are happy doing their thing. Theyre not posting bitter tirades about men. So you, as a reader of the bitter tirades on men, will likely only see the women who

A. have a lot of experience, and therefore have something to complain about

And

B. Who havent had much success and are posting about it.

Youre not seeing all the happy women who also have lots of experience.

Razieloo · 2023-10-30T19:53:00+00:00

It's almost like people with more experience with something are more knowledgeable?

begayallday · 2023-10-30T19:31:55+00:00

I’m honestly more put off of men from my handful of long term relationships than anything else. Some of them were much much worse than any of the dudes I randomly hooked up with.

ATasteofTx214 · 2023-10-30T19:59:02+00:00

Hmm, I've observed experienced women to be more realistic (i guess cynical) and compromising, whereas women that still believe in fairy tales that their lives can't mirror harbor more resentment.

10throwawayantsy · 2023-10-31T00:10:55+00:00

Seems like a weird comment...the more someone interacts with a demographic the less they like them. That doesn't say great things bout men lol.

Justwannaread3 · 2023-10-30T19:00:25+00:00

I’m a mid 20s woman with what some people might consider more than usual sexual experience.

I don’t hate men at all, and I’m not cynical about dating. I completely understand why most people desire romantic relationships. I’m in a very happy relationship myself. I think being cynical about love or romance is sad.

I’ve had some bad experiences with men, but mostly normal dating experiences where it just didn’t work out for some reason. Finding someone you like enough — and who likes you enough — to be in a lasting relationship isn’t easy!

I also have plenty of platonic and familial relationships with men. I care about them deeply.

I don’t “throw hissy fits” about people’s dating preferences, but I do think it’s distasteful to use shaming language about people who don’t meet your preferences.

Cethlinnstooth · 2023-10-30T19:09:37+00:00

Nah, sleeping around and dumping women is really the least of the damage men do to women's expectations of men. It takes marriage to a lazy man who stonewalls in arguments to make most women think men are total fucking garbage and not worth giving any time or love to.

Opening_Tell9388 · 2023-10-30T19:08:41+00:00

Yes. Ignorance is bliss and experience is trustworthy.

Don't trust a skinny chef. Don't learn how to fuck from a virgin. Don't take relationship advice from someone who hasn't ever been in a relationship. All that.

You kind of disproven your own point. Apparently. There are a lot of people who make shit partners out here. On both sides. BUT it seems like most men who hate women don't get to participate and feel alienated by women. BUT the women who don't like men are the ones who HAVE been with men.

Weird, right?

waditdo · 2023-10-30T21:40:43+00:00

Personal responsibility is a real thing and it's something humans tend to avoid. Both men and women. It's much easier to blame others than it is to own your choices and practice self awareness and to make better choices.

So yeah, you see people who repeat the same mistakes ... not until they accept responsibility will that stop for some.

TroidMemer · 2023-10-30T20:05:05+00:00

On the first paragraph you MIGHT have been onto something, but after that you pretty much lost me. I think a lot less people would disagree if you said that only a certain kind of man actively goes after girls who date around constantly, and is therefore the source of their cynicism

Mobrowncheeks · 2023-10-30T19:08:52+00:00

Lmao you don’t even know what you are really saying. “ women who have more experiences with more men tend to become cynical rather then optimistic “

In so many words you are saying that, after more experiences with men, the experiences are bad , and thus the women start to dislike men. That’s actually a reflection of our behavior as men, not on a woman’s behavior for knowing more about us …

zaqariah9999 · 2023-10-30T21:55:39+00:00

So we should listen to virgin women giving us reviews about how men are and act? Of course people with alot of experience in something are gonna have thoughts and opinions on the matter.

TSquaredRecovers · 2023-10-30T18:55:25+00:00

Huh, this hasn’t been my experience at all. I’m a woman with quite a bit of experience, and I neither hate men nor feel cynical about men or dating in general. (I do, however, think that men who follow manosphere content and believe the related asinine theories and revenge fantasies hold problematic views.)

And I‘m going to blow your mind with this, but my sex and relationship experiences haven’t even remotely played out like you’re describing. All of my relationships began as FWB situations that quickly evolved into full-blown relationships. I was not pumped and dumped a single time. Instead, it was the guys who usually wanted relationships with me. Some I entered into relationships with; others I respectfully declined. In the third scenario, both myself and the guy just wanted to hookup and keep things casual.

It‘s interesting that you don’t even think to consider the numerous women that have similar experiences to mine. Even in this very sub, I often read accounts from women describing similar scenarios.

Ok_Grapefruit_631 · 2023-10-31T00:00:40+00:00

Wait you’re telling women to take accountability for men being players? I’m sorry what huh? Women are cynical about men for a reason and it doesn’t make them a misandrist either.

Odd-Luck7658 · 2023-10-30T21:17:20+00:00

It’s not a coincidence and its also not true.

ornamentalwallpaper · 2023-10-30T22:34:57+00:00

Then even further, men go out of their way to avoid these women by saying we don't want damaged women, we don't want women with past traumas and etc etc, which you throw a hissy fit about.

Wait, no. It makes sense to want somebody mentally stable and without emotional baggage, it's just that many people who say this are exactly the types of dudes to be the cause of emotional baggage. I catch this from other rhetoric that surrounds a normal requirement to have a partner with her head screwed on straight. For example: "I want a younger woman because she does not have any baggage, and I am approaching 50" - you, sir, are the type of person to contribute to someone's high experience. You are asking for a glass of Dasani so that you can spit in it and pollute it for the next guy - yeah, nobody will entertain this complaint and people will rightfully tell you to shut the fuck up. Freedom of speech for you freedom of speech for me.

SentientNose · 2023-10-31T00:11:59+00:00

I don't see that remotely with experienced women. The have other problems, but hating men isn't one of them.

The femcel or feminist types are far more likely to have male hatred.

GGMcThroway · 2023-10-31T00:44:01+00:00

If a woman is emotionally immature and ignoring blatant red flags, that's on her.

If a man lies and tells a women whatever she wants to hear, that's on him.

Relationships need trust. Men have more to gain by lying to a woman in the short term (and even in the long term if he's particularly nasty). It's understandable then that there's a skew against men there in that respect since a lying woman has to play the long con in order to deal the same level of emotional damage.

Hoopy223 · 2023-10-30T18:53:38+00:00

I’ve known lots of women who dated around a lot and they still liked men. They like going to bars with men, playing video games with their man, they like big fat guys (huggable!) nerdy guys (so smart!) shy guys (so cute!) short guys (hobbit!) they like Men lol.

Also I don’t date Man Haters. Not worth it.

HighestTierMaslow · 2023-10-30T20:41:53+00:00

They can be but so are men.

When I was in my mid 20s, I went through a 6 month phase where I purposefully dated men in their 30s. I was using mostly OLD apps at the time. I did it when I told my aunt I was having troubles meeting someone and she responded to me "You're too mature for your age, date older men in their 30s." Her advice was well intentioned and I did it, but I stopped doing it because literally every single man in his 30's I met during this phase was bitter, jaded and seemed to assume I was some crappy women they spent time on without any reason to. Some of these men when they described the past women who apparently cause them issues now, I thought to myself "why did you choose them to date?"

People who are emotionally healthy and have high amounts of experience just become more picky and hopefully smarter at picking the right partner.

Sadsad0088 · 2023-10-30T21:41:20+00:00

Who says that women who have lots of experience get played and dumped?

_Chaos_And_Horny_ · 2023-10-30T18:42:40+00:00

Love and money blinds. Then comes the generalization ba dum tssss

Abysswalker55117 · 2023-10-30T23:33:25+00:00

Definitivamente there is more caution with experience.Both genders are not excluded from this kind of treatment. It’s just however long one has been in the game I imagine.

Men don’t get the attention they desire from the women they want. They ignore the rest of the women they think is below their standards (looks and weight wise mostly) same goes for women with those criteria. Both genders become jaded with one another. Both genders have bad actors that don’t want to take accountability and blame the other gender.

Women that have been in relationships with men that don’t split the chores (use weaponized incompetence) are more cautious. They look out for the whiners and cut em out. Life is too short and ppl like that ain’t fun for the short term anyways.

The experienced women I know are seeking a man that doesn’t devalue them as a person. They want a man that would treat them as an equal- human to human. They don’t seek just to fill a role in a relationship they seek a true partnership.

MistyMaisel · 2023-10-31T02:10:27+00:00

It feels like the logical conclusion here is to give men even fewer chances and interact with them even less and hold even more draconian standards?

Do I have that correct?

Something-bothersome · 2023-10-31T03:33:30+00:00

Hate? I think it’s a bit naive to think that women who really hate men all developed that emotion at an age where they entered the social dating market. I mean it’s not like women just pop out of a sealed container when they are old enough to date ready for you to prove how awesome men are if they would just pick you!

You don’t want damaged women? No emotional baggage? No prior trauma with men? Chad, Brad, Sam and Bill might not have had as big of an impact you might imagine.

I hate to tell you this as you might be a bit disappointed, but people’s perceptions and experiences with the opposite gender tend to start to develop way prior to an age where they are of interest to you personally.

Alt_Account092 · 2023-10-31T00:23:35+00:00

Accountability for what?

Being duped by shitty men?

If a man lies to and manipulates a woman in order to get sex for example, in what part of that singular situation would she need to take accountability.

It would be one thing if it happened constantly, but even then, it's not the direct fault of the victim in this context. Sure, you could say she should be more aware. Maybe she should, but that doesn't magically erase what the man in this hypothetical did.

The man still actively choose to lie and manipulate.

Men could try taking accountability for doing anything possible to get sex from women. Though I doubt very much that such a thing will happen.

Friedrich_Friedson · 2023-10-30T19:50:27+00:00

The cognitive dissonance here is that you as women have no impact on the outcomes of your relationships. It's always men's fault that you get played, "men are just dogs", "men are emotionally unavailable", "men don't want to settle down". Rather than taking any semblance of accountability, women would still just try to place all blame on men.

There's nothing to be blamed about. Being "emotionally unavailable" is someone's psychological profile. If you don't like them,leave them. It ain't bad per se. And not wanting to settle down is definitely not bad lmao.

If you're consistently putting yourself into situationships and in positions to get played and dumped, it makes sense that you would be off-put by the opposite gender. Maybe even full on misandrist.

It really doesn't make sense,and it's definitely not excusable

GlamSunCrybabyMoon · 2023-10-30T20:33:28+00:00

It’s men’s behavior and being on the receiving end of that behavior is what is the complaint. You can’t take accountability for something someone does to you or how someone treats you. If women keep encountering this, it makes sense to be jaded.

Its not limited to men women date so that you can just tell them to choose better men. But it’s also our peers saying and doing noticeable things.

Luciansleep · 2023-10-30T18:46:31+00:00

I see more women who have had bad experiences with men be cynical and women who had a great time with their experiences with men be in happy relationships even after maybe a hoe phase.

AceOfSpadesGymBro · 2023-10-30T18:50:15+00:00

Wow one gender blaming the other about all their problems and then some. Wonder where I have heard this one before?

James_Cruse · 2023-10-31T00:18:26+00:00

The reason women grow to dislike men or think there’s something wrong with men they date is a little more nuanced but is mostly correct here.

It’s more a matter of women:

Constantly going for men out of their league - and subsequently being dumped (main reason)
Woman not offering much to men OR having so many red flags behaviours and issues that even the lower quality men don’t want to stay with them
Women not improving themselves (especially as they get older and less physically attractive) and improving themselves in ways men don’t care about to stay in relationships with them. Women think they’ll get in better relationships with men when they have a slightly better career (not likely, men don’t care much).

DruidWonder · 2023-10-31T01:15:11+00:00

Please stop using the term cognitive dissonance. Like almost everyone who uses it on social media, you're not using it properly.

lovestocomment · 2023-10-31T01:24:44+00:00

No.its not a coincidence. Promiscuouswomen tend to have a host of psychological issues, commitment issues, bonding issues and pleasure issues. Fact is, most women do not really grow up untill it's too late. Their only experience with men is basically being used, abused, disrespected and manipulated. By the men they pick. And usually those men are garbage dudes. And so their only perception of men will be limited to those shit men they get with. You'll also find a lot of them later in life talking about "the one that got away". And trying to find a good man. What makes it worse are simps. Those types of men, are also causing a shit ton of problems for regular men to date.

GrassToucher29 · 2023-10-31T02:19:02+00:00

Hi there. Just wanted to submit my experience with dating/sex/relationships:

I dated a lot, and had many sexual partners, but I rarely ever caught feelings. I’d say I’ve felt love for three men in my lifetime, and been in love with one (my husband.) I don’t think that “pumping and dumping” is really even a thing— that’s just women trying to use sex to get relationships instead of having sex because they want sex, which is dumb. HVW don’t have an issue securing commitment when they want it, regardless of n count.

I still like men. I’m not damaged as a result of my history. (This is not a hissy fit; this is explaining to you how my experience differs from you view.)

ThorLives · 2023-10-31T03:42:00+00:00

I think people with a lot of experience with the opposite gender often gets burned out and angry at the other gender. I think a big part of it is trauma. I think people remember their pain more than they remember their happiness. People remember others betraying them more than they remember their loyalty.

I don't know if it's true, but they say that for a relationship to flourish, that 6 compliments should be given for every insult or criticism. I think that's because we remember pain and insults more than we remember the good things.

EDIT: Maybe it was about employees:

Harvard Research Finds Employees Need a 6:1 Positive Feedback Ratio to Perform Their Best. According to a Harvard study, the average employee ideally needs 6 positive pieces of feedback for every negative review received. (Source)

Some people think that humans are just naturally risk adverse because good things are only mildly good, but bad things can be terrible, possibly fatal. If you find some edible food, then it cures your hunger for a day. If something is hiding in the bushes, it could be a wild animal that kills you or leaves you with a permanent injury. It's very, very bad. This means it's more important for your mind to fixate on the bad things and how to avoid them, rather than on the good.

Personally, over the years, I've spent more time thinking about what an asshole my ex-girlfriend was for constantly cheating on me (years ago) than I do thinking about decent girlfriends I've had in the past.

I've seen both men and women get pretty burned out and angry at the other gender, and I think that's because even if just 10% of the experiences with the other gender are bad, it can disproportionately color a lot of our opinions.

groundslug · 2023-10-31T04:59:42+00:00

Thought you’d be coming from the other direction but my reply is still the same. The post is true for the same reason that the men who have the most experience are the ones that are immoral and less loving and loyal.

GuyInTenn · 2023-10-31T05:03:14+00:00

"Then even further, men go out of their way to avoid these women by saying we don't want damaged women, we don't want women with past traumas and etc etc, which you throw a hissy fit about."

I think it's not so much that as men don't want women projecting on them the traumas other men may have inflicted in the past. Broken wings are a dime a dozen.

Exciting_Phase_1665 · 2023-10-31T06:02:20+00:00

I’m like that and have very little sexual/romantic experience with men… what makes me weary of them is listening to how they treat other women, the amount of violence they cause, their hubris and sense of superiority over women.

I know not all are like that, I have many individually good male friends. but man when you learn about the amount of abuse towards women they generally cause it’s difficult not to be enraged. what makes it worse is seeing the level to which other men will blindly defend abusers.

Femcelphobic · 2023-10-30T19:50:27+00:00

I (sorta) dislike men and I’m a KHHV. Some of the most militant misandrist I’ve ever met were virgins.

nonplussedminus · 2023-10-30T19:43:29+00:00

It's not a coincidence that people who have been attacked by coloured people before tend to be racist!

pssnflwr · 2023-10-31T00:29:05+00:00

but I know a couple women with a lot of experience that are loud and proud about having the experience and being extra kinky in bed. and they do talk badly about men because their situationships don’t turn into the relationship they want. but I also think the way they act, like boasting a robust sex life with many men, makes it seem like they don’t want a serious relationship. so the man doesn’t ever think of going into relationship territory because they act like they love having a life of kinky casual sex. but then they’re upset when they don’t get a relationship. but but it was news to me and probably the guy that they even wanted one.

it think they’re trying to signal that they are very desirable but it comes off as not wanting to settle down so neither person understands each other

januaryphilosopher · 2023-10-30T20:01:08+00:00

People don't tend to do 180s in their opinions very often. It's not like many women are happily sleeping around with loads of men and then decide to hate them one day. Hating men generally means you want to engage with them as little as possible, i.e. not touch genitals with them.

Pola_Lita · 2023-10-30T21:52:04+00:00

A woman doesn't need to experience the behavior first hand to understand that men (and some women in defending men) are capable of significant negativity.

This isn't really a "debate" post. It's using PPD to insult half its members.

Mods need to discourage this and women need to stop responding when it happens.

Dionysis_x · 2023-10-30T22:30:09+00:00

Men are actually responsible for their own behaviour.

globeaute · 2023-10-31T03:06:40+00:00

I don’t have a bunch of experience with males and I already despise 90% of them. You lot take a woman with low or no experience and brutalize her mentally, physically, or BOTH— then have the nerve to discard her and wonder why so many become bitter.

controllrevival · 2023-10-30T22:25:22+00:00

Nah, I’ve met some friendly hoes. I think the women who hate men , a lot of the time, genuinely have had a terrible experiences with men. Men making them uncomfortable, men sexually assaulting them, etc. I hate being attacked too because as a man, I don’t harm women, but unfortunately there are some who do. My gf is like this, she swears she dislikes men, even though she dates one,but she has been through a lot .

basedmama21 · 2023-10-30T23:25:49+00:00

This is extremely true. I feel kind of sorry for these women because some actually do want to get married or at least off the market but they are absolutely clueless how to do it. And they just keep doling out sex thinking it’ll lead to a monogamous relationship. Smh

raldabos · 2023-10-30T18:31:49+00:00

Men who sleep around are a small demography of men, but women tend to generalize this behaviour, is one sexist ideology that is widely accepted today.

purplish_possum · 2023-10-30T19:56:07+00:00

OP's premise is wrong. Women who have lots of sex because they like having sex have the most positive view of men. It's women whose attempts to extract resources with sex have been thwarted who have the worst opinion of men.

Once again: Sluts are great! Whores suck!

FrodoCraggins · 2023-10-30T20:59:46+00:00

Failure causes resentment. If they knew how to have functional relationships with men they wouldn't be single.

envious1998 · 2023-10-30T18:33:18+00:00

I always thought it was insane that men are simultaneously not allowed to judge a woman by her past lest they be seen as a misogynist, yet when their trust is betrayed by a woman who has a history of being a 304 they are not allowed to be angry about it because “you knew what she was like”. Insane cognitive dissonance

SteveSan82 · 2023-10-31T05:26:07+00:00

It’s because the men they want don’t want them . Bring a ho has consequences for women. Only betas will accept them

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SwimmingTheme3736 · 2023-10-31T05:33:55+00:00

I know very few women who hate men, I try to not associate with people who have broad hatred of any groups.

I do know a lot of experienced women who are happily married or in long term relationships

lvoncreek · 2023-10-31T06:41:40+00:00

Who said it was a coincidence?

AidsVictim · 2023-10-31T08:06:03+00:00

What do you mean by experience? The most promiscuous and "successful" (several quality relationships and currently with a good partner) women don't seem to hate men. I'd say there's two fairly common patterns I've noticed for women that tend to be very cynical and negative towards men - younger women who actually have very little experience but get pumped full of stories about abusive men from other women in their family, media, and academia; and women who have a moderate to high amount of experience and are bitter about particular failed relationships. Women traumatized by abusive men can also fall into this category (sometimes to an extreme level) but I've found a lot of them actually have fairly moderated views on men.

ceereality · 2023-10-31T09:33:03+00:00

Broken radar symptom and deflecting = not willing to do the inner healing and working out your own toxicity.

There are plenty of women who have been dating around and kept it real with themselves.

rieleo · 2023-10-31T11:06:00+00:00

Based on your post and various comments on this thread, me thinks there is quite a bit of projection going on from your side. Just sayin’. I am a woman with a lot of experience. Most of my opinions about men have been formed from years of personal experience and observation. I was in the military, so I got a lot of up-close experience and observations. I also was a Sexual Assault Counselor for a Rape Crisis Hotline.

Of the many, many relationships I have had, I don't remember a single one that ended with anger. Usually, I just got bored with them or they became too clingy. Currently, I am in a relationship. We celebrated ten years this week. I don't foresee the relationship ending.

Do I hate men? Some days. Mostly I just remember all those observations and experiences. Then temper my expectations. I roll my eyes a lot. It helps that I’m not afraid to push back when a man says or does something problematic. If they have a problem with that, well..that says a lot more about them than me.

begayallday · 2023-10-31T12:08:41+00:00

u/Elegant-Scarcity4143 Those are just ones that affected me, one person. Every single woman I know has their own list.

echo979 · 2023-10-31T12:26:11+00:00

Above a certain level, the damage to a woman's psyche is cumulative

begayallday · 2023-10-31T13:09:58+00:00

u/buttfook I know this is a joke, but being queer in a fundamentalist religious family made me a much bigger target for physical and emotional abuse. 🙁

begayallday · 2023-10-31T13:13:08+00:00

u/RuggedIndividualist7 I’m sorry that happened to you. Some of my extended family had foster children and they were treated as badly or worse than the bio kids. I hope you are able to get some therapy. I found it to be very helpful. But I will always be affected by it in various ways. I have a permanent neurological disability because of the abuse.

y2kjanelle · 2023-10-31T16:38:10+00:00

Yeah and this can be used against men too. So watch it LMAO.

I basically agree but it also made it that much sweeter and amazing when I did meet a good man. And it’s also just how you perceive it.

I didn’t perceive it as all men being trash or whatever. I just realized that in modern society, women need to have very high standards or she will be treated poorly. Ugly men can be just as fucking disgusting as Chad men. In fact ime ugly men have been so much fucking worse.

It taught me how to vet. Going for ugly men is an extremely stupid idea. Going for chads is also kinda dumb. Ignoring all this and simply putting effort into men who put effort solves it all.

Guarding relationships more than sex even if men don’t think the same way. I guarded my relationship status extremely high and this led to me never simping or feeling “played”. If I wanted to have sex, I’d have it. If I wanted a relationship, I would deprioritize sex and look specifically for effort (still would have sex if I liked him though just didn’t have any expectations and would put zero effort into him until he showed me he wanted me).

I don’t rly think it matters whether someone is experienced or not. Plenty of virgin people who get married for life and are happy. Plenty of experienced people who do the same thing.

It’s just with experience, you learn more deeply about things. I learned a lot about men and it helped my self esteem and dating experience.

begayallday · 2023-10-31T19:30:41+00:00

u/jay10033 I didn’t ask for it.

alrdun · 2023-10-31T20:34:14+00:00

My unsolicited response to women who vocalize how they hate men, as well as making other slanderous comments is very simple. Stop having sex with men and stop talking to men. I don’t say this so that the women who feel this way can take time to heal. I say this so that men aren’t surrounded by a woman who hates them for no legitimate reason.

ladyindev · 2023-11-01T13:43:24+00:00

Is there objective data on this or is this just a subjective opinion fueled by emotions/experiences? I'd love to see any credible data on it.

This doesn't match reality imo and ime. I have way less experience than many women and my criticism of toxic masculinity and patriarchy seem like "misandry" to some people. I also think society does condition men be less emotionally available, in touch with their feelings, etc. And I believe in holding men accountable for their actions and not this fairyland where women are to blame for everything (also known as misogyny and red pill fantasies).

I actually disagree with you - it always seemed to me that many women with a TON of experience with men and an affinity for men over women tend to make more excuses for men, seek their validation deeply and therefore are reluctant to consider perspectives that criticize them. Some were also in relationships where they would tolerate or rationalize things I would drop him for in a second. This is often sexual experience and relationships, but not always - it can even be women who have more positive experiences socializing with men than women - they come across as the pick me stereotype. Many women who have success socializing with women, are "girl's girls" and who don't sleep around much or even have many relationships will be more likely to agree with perspectives that criticize men for their behavior.

I was the goody two shoes while many of my peers were dating and having sex in school and college. The difference was not just experience with men. I think it's politics, philosophy to some extent, and social proximity. I haven't ever had many straight male friends in my adulthood. Many of the most promiscuous women I've ever met were way less likely to have my views. And as an adolescent it made sense - they want their validation and to remain in close favor/proximity to men AND/OR they have more friendships with men, so are more likely to soften the criticism. I think we empathize most with people in close social proximity and relationships with us. The last thing they wanted was to become prudish little me. So I disagree. I actually had to develop more compassion for men, as I was not only analyzing the socio-political structures that affect women, but often doing it from a distance when it comes to any close relationships with men, other than my dad.

Edit: I think this is one reason I find some of the red pill stuff so funny. There was a more liberal streamer on one of these debates who said what they advocated attracted women who displayed "fatherless" behavior more than anyone else. I agreed to an extent - it depends on culture / beliefs too. Not to say there's any monolith, but a lot of women with low body counts who have been mostly or completely single are going to have high standards, especially if they've spent that time focused on understanding themselves and what healthy relationships are. When I was single, I cut guys off so fast for things the women you're talking about might think are small. You won't disrespect me at all, because I'm used to being single and my father doesn't even make a habit of talking to me in a certain way. I'm just saying, you may find that women like this are actually harsher on men and have much more particular standards that may not include you, especially if you're a misogynist, as that usually seeps into your attitude and personality.

Safinated · 2023-11-01T16:25:56+00:00

Then femcels and ugly/fat women should be full of love and optimism towards men

Main_Device115 · 2023-11-01T19:56:56+00:00

Why would a woman that truly hate men, still want to date men?

But basically if you stay single, no kinds and don’t get married, that’s bad. If you do try to date but can’t immediately find the right guy, that’s bad. If you find the right guy (or at least what you think is the right guy), you marry him but later thinks don’t work out and you divorce, that’s bad. What exactly does a woman need to do in order to do the right thing according to you?

kayshalovely · 2023-11-02T03:20:36+00:00

I hated men because I blamed them for how hard my life was. Things like periods, pain from a uterus, heartbreak, the level of unequal hardship on the sexes, and so so much more. However, through self reflection and meeting my partner I have now, I saw men in a different light. Its not like men specifically asked to have things harder on women(certain situations). You are right though I resented men in general when I picked someone who wasn't right for me and not breaking things off as soon as I should have. Its a terrible thing to want to love someone when you clearly shouldn't and cannot give up on it until they have completely wrecked you. I know now its absurd, but young and dumb and all that.

BigEdsBun · 2023-11-02T11:08:15+00:00

How many men here who are accused of being misogynists, respond with 'I don't hate women.. I just understand them/have been around many of them/have had my fill of them.'

Repeated experiences with the opposite sex that for one reason or another ended tends to leas to a certain loss of innocence/jadedness when it comes to dating.

I just find it funny how men here spin it as a woman 'having baggage', but a man 'grows wisdom/learns what he likes.'

Failing_Lady_Wannabe · 2023-11-04T12:03:30+00:00

I'm a young woman with a lot of sexual experience. And I never had a bad experience. That's because I make a big distinction between "stuff I do for sex" and stuff that is deep and meaningful for me. There are people for fucking only and there are people for a relationship - for everyone those two categories would be a different type of person because everyone has their own preferences. The men I like for sex the most are not those I would like to have a relationship with. The trick is to know when it's just a person for sexual experience and when it's a person for more. And to always respect the other person and never lie to them/play with them. I suspect that women get hurt so easily because they expect feelings with every man they fuck. Huge mistake.

Title	It's not a coincidence that women who have high amounts of experience tend to hate men and be the most cynical
Author	SlowEffective8146
Upvotes	115
Comments	486
Date	October 30, 2023 6:28 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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