Why do so many women love to suggest men “hate women” simply because they are frustrated with the horrific state of dating?

MyHouseOnMars- · 2024-04-27T16:20:59+00:00

Because you often see them here saying women don't have personal opinions, that are highly influenciable, gold diggers, useless after 30, etc

Opening_Tell9388 · 2024-04-27T16:25:46+00:00

I think because some men really focus on blaming women as a whole for the actions they see and read by anonymous accounts on the internet. Then these people come to places like this making multiple threads a week complaining about their fucked world view.

That doesn’t scream that you love women. Love is forgiveness and understanding. Not berating and blaming. If you’ve ever been in a relationship that’s kind of the simplest way to utterly destroy connections between humans.

N-Zoth · 2024-04-27T15:47:40+00:00

Who is accountable for not getting a date? The person asking for a date or the person rejecting them?

There's no accountability to speak of because no one owes anyone else a date. But people seem to struggle with the idea that in order to get a date, someone has to actually WANT to go on a date with them in the first place.

GojosLowerHalf3 · 2024-04-27T16:20:59+00:00

What do women need to be held accountable for in the dating world?

Bubbly_Taro · 2024-04-27T15:47:29+00:00

Why do so many women love to suggest men “hate women”

Have you watched the news, like ever?

Solondthewookiee · 2024-04-27T15:50:43+00:00

Because it's not simply being frustrated with being single. It's the deeply misogynistic ideology that many men choose to adopt along with it.

"I'm lonely" is perfectly normal.

"I'm lonely because women are shallow and hypergamous and only want to fuck Chad and then try to use me for my money and make me raise somebody else's kid and all these land whales think they're so hot because they get pumped dumped" is misogynistic.

No-Search6744 · 2024-04-27T16:20:37+00:00

Probably long standing propensity to violence and the fact any man could happily fuck a women he hates.

KayRay1994 · 2024-04-27T17:54:24+00:00

Because more often than not said frustrated men let that frustration out on women rather than reflect or look at the general state of things.

Its always “her standards are too high”, “hoeflation”, “you need 666”, “30 year old women are used up crones” and then there is the constant implication that women are interchangeable.

Also, women don’t suggest that “men hate women” - at least not literally, what is meant is the men who treat women like interchangeable objects hate women (even then its less hate in a traditional sense and more demanding) - either way, simple fact is, if not for sexual attraction, many of the men who parrot that shit wouldn’t associate with women

NonetyOne · 2024-04-27T17:12:56+00:00

Your question is flawed.

That’s not the reason women claim men hate women, and I think you know it.

Remote_Panic_3271 · 2024-04-27T17:44:51+00:00

Seeing how women behave in the dating world has actually made me hate them

Sharp_Engineering379 · 2024-04-27T15:42:15+00:00

Wanting a woman doesn’t mean a man “loves” women, either.

y2kjanelle · 2024-04-27T16:43:32+00:00

Have you seen the comments? Who the fuck in their right mind comes here and DOESNT think all these men hate women?

The most unattractive and mean guys come here so they can vent about how utterly hateful they are of women and how much they enjoy their suffering and how they don’t care of anything negative women go through.

Men have made fun of women with severe eating disorders here. They’ve literally joked about and laughed at a child sex trafficking victim. Joked about sex tourism. They talk about finding teens attractive and wanting to date 18 year olds at 27+.

What man do you know that’s a good person that does ANY of this?

Literally just now, 9:40 AM, I saw a dude comment that women’s value as a human being is their ability to reproduce and that they are disgusting for not choosing to be young mothers.

My first redpill interaction was right after being sexually assaulted at 19 and some loser told me I should be grateful for that because at least I was getting sexual attention.

Most men here tbh blame and fault and hold women accountable for every crime any man has ever committed. That’s just WHO THEY ARE.

And some shit you just can’t forgive.

Excomen · 2024-04-27T16:28:50+00:00

first off, men don’t hate women. Most men don’t have any ill will towards any women at all, so you can stop that for now. It’s the specific men and women who abide by the incel ideology that frustrate us.

it’s the way they talk about women as a whole. They act as if women are some homogenous group that all abide by the same principles, and that I should be at fault for the whims of other women. Meanwhile I’ve never experienced attraction nor entered the dating sphere.. and yet, they direct frustration towards me, lumping me in with women they’ve watched in the internet. it’s not me refusing to take accountability, it’s me reacting to being blamed for happenings I’ve never started

waffleznstuff30 · 2024-04-27T17:42:56+00:00

Saying things like we "lack accountability" for not choosing them. Comes off as pretty hate-y in my opinion.

A lot of the comments here about women. And basically just policing women and their behaviors comes off as hate... And from a really bad place of bitterness and resentment. The idea that sex is something done TO women not WITH women. Is a big one I notice. Instead of being a mutual activity. It's something for men that women can do. It seems a lot of men like the utility of a woman (sex, babies, care, company, status) but they do not LIKE them as people. How many dudes here have female friends just platonic women they can hang out with? Because a woman's value to them is dating/access to sex not friendship or just their company.

A lot of men like the idea of women but do not like them as people. There is a disconnect of empathy which to me comes off as hate as well. Because a lot of men only see the utility of a woman but do not go deeper.

MyLastBestChance · 2024-04-27T15:53:18+00:00

Why would women be accountable for some men’s lack of desirability?

DaMarcusGotJuice · 2024-04-27T16:36:40+00:00

Just don’t date

sunologie · 2024-04-27T19:10:52+00:00

What do we need to be held accountable for? And most of the “solutions” men come up with for these “problems” all essentially boils down to “take away women’s autonomy in some capacity.”

So yeah you’re gonna have a hard time convincing women this line of red pill thinking isn’t inherently misogynistic and hateful.

AstronautExisting230 · 2024-04-27T22:39:42+00:00

Pointing out that women are hypergamous and just as shallow as men isn't sexist lol

Choice-Substance-183 · 2024-04-27T16:11:04+00:00

their lack of accountability

I'm not accountable for some guy's constant rejection or inability to maintain a romantic relationship.

What should women be accountable for?

Very few men hate women, this is just silly.

Comments I read here daily disagree.

This, along with the overuse of the word “mísogyny” has sort of diluted the value of these words and diminishes genuine cases of them.

In that case, "male loneliness" is overused, diluted, and has no value. Genuine cases are diminished.

Dertross · 2024-04-27T18:23:29+00:00

Because the horrific state of dating is a result of women's freedom of choice, if you're dissatisfied with the current state of dating then you are dissatisfied with women's choice which makes you a misogynist.

MongoBobalossus · 2024-04-27T15:38:56+00:00

I think people think you hate women because of your constant whining about how delusional they are.

Cue your obligatory “huh?” comment.

BDaily24 · 2024-04-27T15:53:42+00:00

On the contrary, many men hate women.

Many women suggest men hate women in the specific context of the dating scene because many men simply despise women looking out for their best interests if those interests do not benefit men.

When anything from a feminine perspective is demonized as slutty, self serving, shallow all the while those same men wouldn’t look twice at a looks match/same age woman or any woman below a certain looks threshold or above a certain age—let alone treat her with respect— then the logical conclusion is that those men desire sex with women for shallow purposes and hate every other aspect of them personally.

And don’t even get me started on the men who desire “submissive “ women aka women who do everything I tell them to and cater to my every whim and need. Those men are sociopaths.

Virtual_Piece · 2024-04-27T20:02:58+00:00

A lot of the popular Red pill podcast out their (the ones most people are familiar with) have a over simplistic understanding of the concepts they're teaching and that in turn, leads them to teach these concepts without the required nuance necessary to put these concepts out there in a healthy way. This causes these guys to become resentful of women for things that in large part don't apply to them (or they think it doesn't apply to them), the blind leading the blind.

This coupled with the constant misandry that is present in the extreme areas of feminist circles and even sometimes the mainstream spaces a that creates a perfect storm for misogyny

David-Metty · 2024-04-27T21:00:36+00:00

Because of lack of accountability.

SnoLeppard13 · 2024-04-27T21:19:11+00:00

How is dating horrific for women?

HumpsyDumpsy · 2024-04-27T21:23:30+00:00

Women dont suggest men hate them, rather it is something they see and feel because of the horrific things men say about ALL women, just from the small handful of ladies they picked/dated

statsfodder · 2024-04-27T21:40:35+00:00

Why?? .. projection.

Just scroll this comment section, and you will see the hate and disdain they have for men.

MistyMaisel · 2024-04-28T01:32:16+00:00

It's usually the sentences in and around the frustration with dating that reveal the whole hater bit.

DaemonBlackfyre515 · 2024-04-27T17:05:39+00:00

I don't hate women, but i've got absolutely zero sympathy for any of them who whine about the men they do pick.

If they want the toxic fuckboys and women beating coke dealers, have at it. Enjoy the consequences of your choices.

Hoopy223 · 2024-04-27T16:09:01+00:00

Its a strategy to shut someone up without acknowledging their position. Both men and women do this. Its especially true when someone (usually a guy) points out something that is obviously true but not socially/politically popular.

Also…nobody likes to hear complaining. We like to hear action oriented stories or something that has a happy ending.

fucksiclepizza · 2024-04-27T19:46:27+00:00

Have you read half the shit on this sub?

Necessary-Ask-3619 · 2024-04-27T15:43:59+00:00

Their other option is acknowledging that they have the upper hand in dating. That's why.

flipsidetroll · 2024-04-27T19:32:13+00:00

I think, quite simply, Because some men take zero accountability for the current mess, and they pick an ideology that never delves into their shortcomings and only shows women in a bad light. Real science doesn’t use emotional statements and will present strengths and weaknesses equally.

Take the red pill. It masquerades as evolutionary psychology, which is already a flawed branch of science. All it takes is the tiniest amount of critical thinking to crack the majority of fallacies in it. And much is based on nothing but emotive statements with no substance and zero proof. So if a man latches onto that, and completely embraces it, refuses to acknowledge any opposition to that ideology, refuses to research the opposing evidence, then it would appear he WANTS it to be true. And that, along with denial of opposing evidence, would show hatred to women? Right? This stance would apply to any situation where a person refuses to acknowledge opposing evidence. They only acknowledge the evidence supporting their feelings.

For the redpillers who are saying “what do you mean critical thinking, and emotive statements?” I’ll give some examples. Taken from content creators who spread the redpill.

Example 1: women don’t love men like men love women. Prove it. It’s purely emotional and based on a completely one sided perspective. Men cant prove they love women more and women can’t prove they love men more. But redpillers will bleat about this endlessly. Because it suits their narrative.

Example 2: a woman would never die for a man. How do women prove this? Throw themselves in front of a bullet? Push their partner out of the way of a car? It’s unprovable. So for the red pill men, that’s a win.

Notice how all these things are designed to make women somehow prove themselves more worthy, prove they do love, prove they would sacrifice for the one they love. Very convenient. These are emotion based statements above.

Example 3: 1/3 of men are raising children which aren’t theirs. This is pushed endlessly and become part of redpill and mgtow culture, just like the gender pay gap for feminism. But just like critical thinking and research debunked the pay gap, so too is this. The original study was done through a lab that only tests for paternity. So people submitting their dna were already doubting paternity. Hence the high rate of false paternity. To put this in perspective, if you went to an oncology hospital and tested everyone, you could draw the conclusion that everyone in hospital has cancer. Which of course isn’t true if you went to a regular hospital. So the origin of the study is just as important as the demographics.

That is an example of research and critical thinking. Not just blindly accepting Information given to you without asking all the relevant questions.

Example 4: the latest chatter from mgtow etc is a study showing women may have a higher rate of psychopathy than previous thought. This is a very probable conclusion, as science is recognising and updating the DSM and expanding certain requirements. However, this is a double edged sword. First, only about 5 to 10% of psychopaths are criminals or violent. So testing in a prison may show 60% are psychopaths but it’s a given being a prison. (See? Origin?). Psychopaths just lack certain processes and behaviours. But the flip side is, way more men could have disorders that are more commonly associated with women, like borderline personality disorder. So it works both ways.

I could keep going endlessly, debunking everything they say with research and logic. But you get the point. If you don’t, because you simply don’t want to, then you probably hate women.

Preme2 · 2024-04-27T16:22:29+00:00

Because in order to remedy the dating landscape, it would force women to change and possibly give up the advantages they have. Similar to how the average man has given up economic and educational advantages “for the betterment of society”.

Women would rather call you a misogynist, be a victim than acknowledge or give up her advantages.

Plazmatron44 · 2024-04-27T15:49:04+00:00

Feminism is female narcissism coalesced into an ideology so criticism is seen as a threat, ideologues typically aren't very smart and so the first response is to smear and insult the person doing the criticising. Feminism has employed this tactic for so long that even "conservative" women do it.

Then there's the gaslighting where a man saying "I did everything they said I should do but I was ignored in favour of men who I was told weren't what women wanted" is met by women saying "you just feel entitled to sex" since acknowledging what the man is saying would require said women to take some responsibility.

superlurkage · 2024-04-27T16:57:01+00:00

If you find dating horrific, you find female autonomy horrific

Which sounds pretty hatey

januaryphilosopher · 2024-04-27T18:45:19+00:00

Well, by listening to what those who think dating is "horrific" have to say about women, of course. It often isn't pleasant. "Dating is horrible because hot women aren't handed to me as property!"

Whiskeymyers75 · 2024-04-27T21:45:57+00:00

Because feminist women love getting attention through victimhood.

MattPayneWrestler · 2024-04-27T17:11:31+00:00

Yeah, they used to say “chauvinist” not “misogynist”. Chauvinism is treating women like children. We don’t hate children, we just don’t respect them. That kind of disrespect toward women is a more common thing in society than hatred. Misogyny is actually pretty rare, most men don’t just hate women for being women. The fact that they need to exaggerate with the word “misogynist” so much makes them look like diluted extremists.

Legitimate_Type_1324 · 2024-04-27T15:38:21+00:00

If everything is misogyny then nothing is

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Dorkology · 2024-04-27T17:33:02+00:00

I don't think it's as many women as you seem to think it is. It's just that the ones who do speak the loudest.
The word "misogyny" is absolutely overused. But I've noticed that the ones who use the word can never properly define it when pressed about it. It's rare that they'll actually say it means the hatred of women.
The fact that most women don't know what the word mysandry means should tell you where this stems from. You can blame social media and indoctrination in schools.

This reminds me of a number of videos I've seen wherein men and women are asked if they "need" the opposite sex. The men invariably say yes, and the women say no. It should be obvious that we need each other, so this paints women in a bad light.

But a little critical thinking should tell you that it's the women in the locations they're asking this question. Not all women.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2024-04-27T19:17:09+00:00

Someone’s never read the redpill sidebar

GunR_SC2 · 2024-04-27T21:30:15+00:00

Same reason why men say feminist women "hate men", because we see a large group of the extremists saying man hating things.

DeepHouseDJ007 · 2024-04-27T22:01:43+00:00

I’m a guy and I don’t think anyone should be accountable to anyone else. Live your life how you want, date who you want and screw how angry Reddit virgins feel about it.

Makuta_Servaela · 2024-04-28T02:35:53+00:00

r/WhenWomenRefuse might offer some answers.

It's not very highly likely that a woman will have to deal with horrific misogyny from entitled men, but the chance is very much present, and the men willing to snap often look very similar to the ones who aren't.

OkStory2525 · 2024-04-28T03:13:35+00:00

Maybe because men either kill or rape women or support it by watching videos of women being raped?

PapaiPapuda · 2024-04-28T03:22:52+00:00

I don't like North American women. The shit they think is regarded. Especially the under 30 chicks. Insufferable

tiger_ttt · 2024-04-28T04:10:26+00:00

It's a bit of both really.

A LOT of women now just refuse accountability or refuse to accept that they are the problem. It's easier to think that men are the issue and they don't have to change. This ties in with what you mention about the mis use of the word misogyny these days, it's like so many women these days just want to fall into victimhood mentality and anything bad said about them or women is hate or misogynistic.

A lot of men don't help their own cause though by taking advice from retards like Andrew Tate and the like. So there is a mix of some men just acting like jerks. Combine the two and you get this revolving blame game and just seems to be getting worse.

So glad I don't have to worry about dating anymore. If I was still single id probably just stay that way as honestly having to deal with any of this BS is just not worth it.

philseven12 · 2024-04-28T05:26:43+00:00

Why even argue with women seriously about it unless you're just engaging them to be entertained by their reactions?

Women who aren't attracted to a particular man are gonna be on their worse behavior and at best ignore you or at worst they'll try an monetize your desperation.

If a woman don't like you she is going to pretend you don't exist, which is a blessing in disguise or put you on a monthly live service subscription model to interact with her.

Just like men, everything women do is calculated and deliberate. They not finna have any compassion on a dude that they don't think is handsome/attractive

When you was a kid, you most likely didn't want the toy that was good quality and would last a long time. You wanted the cool toy that everyone else had or wanted.

Women still operate like this, a man is an accessory object for women. If you don't make her look good in the eyes of other women, expect to have difficulty.

If a woman is mistreating a man, it's up to him to stay and be emasculated or he can hold his own nuts and walk away from the situation.

Unless you just like making comments to provoke women online, there is no good that will come out of explaining your plight to a woman online unless you got a superman/batman/justice league jawline and wide shoulders

Mysterious-Yam-9064 · 2024-04-28T06:10:48+00:00

Redpill is interesting and makes me wet. dM .me

Intrepid-Rip-2280 · 2024-04-28T06:16:49+00:00

The average worth of people who are searching for a match on dating apps is generally so tremendously poor that staying with eva ai sexting bot and renting prostitutes from time to time seems to make more sense.

Key-Faithlessness-29 · 2024-04-27T17:08:44+00:00

the concept of women not being accountable is actually wrong. men refuse to hold other men accountable for setting the bar so low and being self degrading simps who would do anything for a girl's attention. men dont hold other men accountable for simply spending money on random women, dont stand up for other men when some sexist shit is said, these all make men a divided unit.

of course misandry is socially acceptable, of course she will be picky and mean about things you dont control, she has other men repeating the sexist shit she says and is ready to pay for her nails even before he meets her, women have the agency to do that cause other men hate men.

women on the other hand wont let it slide, you make fun of a fat woman and all women around her, including the thin ones will hate you, women will trust other stranger women over their boyfriend. women supporting other women to this extent (feminism) make most men bitter and angry and thus call feminism cancer of this society but it is not, men just aren't caught up to the modern world yet. if men stuck up for eachother more, all the height jokes women make, all the entitled women calling men broke would stop. the male loneliness epidemic has also a solution because men will have their support group and would not need women to depend on emotional support and confidence. this will also give men the agency to prefer remaining single rather than be with someone who is not up to their desired standards thus better and fulfilling less-shallow relationships

Fun_Breakfast697 · 2024-04-27T17:56:06+00:00

Dating is not "a horrific mess." Most people are fine. Y'all are just bad at it and have insane expectations about how easy it should be.

SmallSituation6432 · 2024-04-27T19:16:26+00:00

This is a real "MLK solved racism in America" take. So many guys here start their opinion with "things are at least equal now for women, if not advantageous." Essentially your idea of what should count as 'hate' and 'misogyny' is clearly divorced from actual causes and effects.

shonenhikada · 2024-04-27T20:01:54+00:00

Because women are so used to men kissing their asses, making excuses for them, and enabling bad behavior that when they encounter a man that outright holds them accountable or calls them out on bad behavior, they accuse him of "hating women".

Hell, u don't even need to be a man to be labeled a misogynist. Pearl davis regularly call women out on their bad behavior and hypocrisy, and people have accused her of hating women even though she is one. Some simps and women have even resorted to spreading rumors that pearl Is a transgender, so they can write her off as an angry, male incel.

Ok-Remove3693 · 2024-04-27T21:49:33+00:00

Because they literally say hateful things. No offense but are you blind?

boom-wham-slam · 2024-04-27T16:12:16+00:00

It doesn't even make sense. Unless you hate all women it's not misogyny which is a hate of women. If a woman stabs you with a knife and you hate her... that is not misogyny.

So all the I find fat women gross... it cannot be misogyny because being fat is not inherent to women. In fact many women are not fat. Where if you said I hate people with vaginas that is inherent to women and thus it would be misogyny.

Yeah these are just dumb people saying dumb things and weak men actually take it serious. I personally don't give a fuck to be called silly meaningless names by mentally unstable people.

No-Rough-7390 · 2024-04-27T16:03:20+00:00

You don’t even have to state that. You can say straight to their face, after they ask you mind you, that their attitude and ideals aren’t attuned to what they desire and they’ll say the same. It’s like the Women Are Wonderful effect on meth.

Intellect7000 · 2024-04-27T21:45:46+00:00

Many of these men who are frustrated by the state of dating drift towards misogynistic communities in the manosphere.

Ppdebatesomental · 2024-04-27T23:20:17+00:00

Fuck man, all I hear on this sub, looking from the other side, is guys bitching about how all women hate men and how the world is full of misandrists….so…...guess it depends on your radar.

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