Weekly Community Chat Megathread

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This weekly thread is designed to be a place for all the funny discussions on PPD. Feel free to post off-topic questions, information, points-of-view, etc......

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I'm sure Brianna McGurran is a very okay feminist blogger but she sounds like a fucking retard when she only lists one quarter of 2019 from one company and calls it evidence of the entire spending habits of the USA

"Source: Experian Q2 2019 data"

based on wikipedia

"Based in Dublin, Ireland, the company operates in 37 countries with offices in Brazil, the United Kingdom, and the United States."

So this is a global representation of one company in one quarter

"Experian collects and aggregates information on over 1 billion people and businesses including 235 million individual U.S. consumers and more than 25 million U.S. businesses.[5][6]"

If she offered a link to the actual analysis she read or any of the data from Experian i would bet money this is a low IQ takeaway for a feminist headline that isn't actually representative of what she wants to claim in EVEN MORE ways than i listed already.

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hearing that women LOWER their standards for STR, it’s jarring

But men are constantly talking about how they do that for LTRs - they wife up women far more plain than the women they want to fuck. Or, even worse, they wife up women just to get access to sex (not because they’re head over heels for her)

Yet, women accept that. Why is it shocking that women have an equally human strategy that serves their imperative?

Second is obvious dichotomy between STR and LTR

Personally, I don’t abide by that. I’m pretty vocal about that

But for some women, they learn it’s the only way to get a guy to LTR them - get them to invest in emotions first, so they don’t sneak out before you’re awake the next morning

Again, it’s just a strategy that serves the female imperative. How is it surprising that women have these strategies?

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Asking what? all you did was say that guys are butthurt and went "women already deal with this!" except they don't, and even if they did it's not like that means they don't have a laundry list grievances.

I mean they're right. Chicks really fucked up and it's not even really debate of that at this point. I think some of you girls still aren't getting the picture that we all gave up on women acting like decent people and that's what makes all these pills. Every pill, blue, red, black, assumes that women are a self centered hypocritical irresponsible person, and has given up on them ever trying to be something else.

blue is c0pe: women don't need to be good people.

red is self interest : they're not gonna change, be quiet and at least try to get yours while this whole thing blows up

black is hopeless: this whole thing is blowing up and nobody wants to admit it.

I always thought the ask men/women tag was pointless. All the pills agree in some deep sense what they're like these days. The women on here just want to try to have a say in something they don't really involve themselves in at all. It's like a horoscope or like a social group for them. There's no valuable position you can gleam from debating with women on here when it comes to red and black pill, because they assume women are making shit up, and blues will believe that shit they make up on the spot no matter what it is.

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“ That’s depressing that you guys think that” You know smurf, men work with what they're given. It's amazing they've done so much when given so little. I don't know how much longer they're gonna a keep it up. The red pills "enjoy the decline" is truer now than when they were saying it 10 years ago. When i see “think” all i can see is someone desperately trying to believe something isn't true. That it's somehow not what everyone knows, and that it's not something you know. But i think deep down you agree. I don't think there's a way you can't.

Even the biggest trainwrecks, in some part of their conscience, recognize themselves as wrong. I see no reason to believe that capacity is beyond you or any woman.

Even if the pills disagree with it. Perhaps my hopes are truly still naive.

You haven't really asked me a question by the way. You said there would be a question. Make it clear, if you can.

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evidence is literally in the FDS sub

Evidence of what? That they're actually not fucking red pillers? just because they say men suck on the internet? That's not evidence, and it's clearly not "evident" to the people you're talking to that they aren't fucking red pillers.

You call something evident when we can all agree on the veracity of something. Like if you're literally watching something happen, that nobody can ignore, then it's evident. Like if someone forecloses your house, it's evident you're homeless. You can't ignore it. It's true in like a very real, non-theoretical and visceral sense. At the very least it must be empirically true, if not viscerally true.

You used a word wrong to make yourself sound like you had a more convincing point, like it somehow made repeating yourself a more convincing reponse. But i just thought it was kinda dumb so chuckled. I don't think you intended anything bad, it was just a mistake on your part.

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Evidence of what? That they're actually not fucking red pillers? just because they say men suck on the internet? That's not evidence, and it's clearly not "evident" to the people you're talking to that they aren't fucking red pillers.

they are literally actively seeking men who are the opposite of red pillers. i edited my comment right about when you sent yours so to reiterate there, they preach about a certain type of men and red pill men are not the type to wait and/or pay for women under any circumstances. these women want men who will wait for sex to show them that they actually like them and pay on at least the first date (and preferably going forward).

You used a word wrong to make yourself sound like you had a more convincing point, like it somehow made repeating yourself a more convincing reponse. But i just thought it was kinda dumb so chuckled. I don't think you intended anything bad, it was just a mistake on your part.

it may have been a mistake on my part, you're right. but i think the proof or evidence is just on that sub. that's why it made sense to me.

FDS women, the complete opposite maybe even female equivalent of RP men, do not want RP men because their standards for men are one way and RP men are a different way.

similarly, RP men standards for women are one way and FDS women are a different way.

is that not evident by both subs' posts?

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we have been talking about the interests of FDS women this entire time based on that sub; that is the evidence.

If what women said they wanted was true, the red pill wouldn't exist in the first place. This whole sub would not be here. I know you're a girl, but learn not to listen to women. it's a stupid mistake that going to keep leading you to contradictory answers. I know from experience. Watch what they do, not what they say. Because: what they do more EVIDENTLY true than what they say.

Sure we use FDS to talk about them, but only to like analyze their psychological problems for fun. Or bring them up as a strawman to make a point by association. It's not like they're different from any other woman except being a little bitter. The reason people talk about them is that they're an easy target for ridicule, if you believe them about anything, you're not just being an idiot, you're fucking yourself over in the same way incels do.

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If what women said they wanted was true, the red pill wouldn't exist in the first place. This whole sub would not be here.

nah red pilled men (not necessarily MRP or RPW which are much more interesting offshoots imo) would just like to believe that all women are the same and not individual people and that there are the same surefire ways to "handle" every woman.

it's a stupid mistake that going to keep leading you to contradictory answers. I know from experience. Watch what they do, not what they say.

if that's your experience, who am i to say differently? i disagree but that's based on who i know myself to be

It's not like they're different from any other woman except being a little bitter. The reason people talk about them is that they're an easy target for ridicule, if you believe them about anything, you're not just being an idiot, you're fucking yourself over in the same way incels do.

no man is obviously going to believe & do what FDS women want them to do b/c it'll fuck them over and let women trample over them, since that's a niche of woman anyway and every woman is different. but there are some men who are naturally that way, that is who those women are seeking.

i haven't even really looked at FDS and i have a vague idea who they are, but i do agree with them on some things for myself b/c i'm religious (but not tradcon). not the paying for dates stuff b/c i actually want an egalitarian relationship/cohabitation/marriage, but waiting for sex (since i'm a virgin) as a good method to find a man worthwhile who respects my sexual boundaries (may have to just look within religious circles but then it's hard to find a man who's not tradcon and is egalitarian there). all i know is that the sub isn't for men. it's for women.

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FDS is a favored target for TRP because its an easy and effective target.

First FDS is an obvious target because it proports to be a dating advise board for woman, a sort of equivalent to TRP. This makes it easy for TRP to frame it as the opposite of TRP, or draw analogies to TRP, etc.

Second, FDS is very divisive amongst blue flaired posters here. There are multiple posters, such as myself, which generally disagree strongly with FDS, and there are also a significant number of posters here who are loyal to FDS. As such, discussions about FDS tend to divide blue pill voices.

Third, TRP is desperate to find enemies, so that they can frame TBP as being "anti-men", which is... not true. anyway, FDS is a very... colorful... sub and they often dip into passionate language. This makes them an ideal target for TRP propaganda machine. they can point to FDS, and say to people "Look! TBP hates you TBP Hates men, LOOK AT FDS". This makes FDS an ideal target to conflate with the entirity of the Blue Pill for propaganda purposes to further isolate people into the manosphere.

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we'll they're going to have to personally deal with them when they hit on chicks. Red pillers get numbers by casting wide nets. they probably meet these chicks from time to time. Further, it's not like it's benign, red pill for all the accusations of misogyny, doesn't teach you to like hate women. Guys hate women because they talk to them and women are really judgey and treat you bad when you don't know them because of stereotypes that they're dangerous, and also because the acts of kindness they give go unreciprocated(whether you think they deserve reciprocation is up to you personally, but it certainly invites them not to like you). FDS literally teaches you that men are all evil. THey pretend like they want a small subset of non shit guys, but the undercurrent is that they don't really exist. It's more fun to just reject men and feel a little bit bigger. It's one of those malevolent little places more similar to incels than red pill. Red pill doesn't like incels either.

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Here are the ten safest cities in the USA. See a pattern?

1. Franklin, MA

Population: 34,087
Total Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents): 1.9
Chance of being a victim: 1 in 524
Major City Nearby: Boston

2. Long Beach, NY

Population: 33,454
Total Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents): 2.5
Chance of being a victim: 1 in 389
Major City Nearby: New York

3. Milton, MA

Population: 27,593
Total Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents): 2.7
Chance of being a victim: 1 in 367
Major City Nearby: Boston

4. Zionsville, IN

Population: 28,357
Total Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents): 2.8
Chance of being a victim: 1 in 345
Major City Nearby: Indianapolis

5. Lexington, MA

Population: 33,132
Total Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents): 3.0
Chance of being a victim: 1 in 331
Major City Nearby: Boston

6. Shrewsbury, MA

Population: 38,526
Total Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents): 3.3
Chance of being a victim: 1 in 296
Major City Nearby: Worcester

7. Bergenfield, NJ

Population: 27,327
Total Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents):3.4
Chance of being a victim: 1 in 296
Major City Nearby: New York

8. Muskego, WI

Population: 25,127
Total Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents):3.5
Chance of being a victim: 1 in 279
Major City Nearby: Milwaukee

9. North Ridgeville, OH

Population: 34,392
Total Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents):3.6
Chance of being a victim: 1 in 275
Major City Nearby: Cleveland

10. Marshfield, MA

Population: 25,967
Total Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents): 4.0
Chance of being a victim: 1 in 249
Major City Nearby: Boston

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Aides sometimes 'take care' of up to 30 residents, depending on how indepdent they are. It's not the kind of job you can perform if you can't compartilize your feelings. You basically have to treat your patients like animals get treated at factory farms.

200%. It's just that people are doing a Pikachu face here, so it's not obvious to everyone

Don't blame the workers, they're rationally responding to the incentives they're given and they need a paycheck to feed their own families. In my area 90% of them are Haitian immigrants. It's literally one of the lowest paying, lowest status jobs a woman can get in spite of requiring state certification, continued 'education' etc.

Not in the US, but I'm not blaming them in any way, just pointing out as above, like it's not made out to be.

Society doesn't give a single shit about the elderly. People are a million times more concerned about whether Dr. Seuss is racist.

Yup.

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They go after the ugliest women because they are trying to minimize their power differential. A hot babe is a near 100% guarantee she will shit test you into the ground on a constant basis because she's got a steady flow of competitors for her affection. You are far more expendable to her than to a less good looking woman. An ugly woman has a better chance of appreciating your personality or other non-looks traits because she is more sensitive to that issue regarding herself. Plus she is also less likely to be receptive to the same mercenary game that has burned the fuck out of her.

But yes two factors go against a man chasing an ugly woman: one, she too has other suitors, which leads to the knock-on issue that she will not be so receptive to his struggles because the mercenary game is not so bad for her as it is for the man. Plus there's the self respect thing and her lack of empathy which comes with being a woman: when she sees a man trying to minimize his power disadvantage her female brain blows that up into something far more nefarious. For instance she will twist it into something like he's going to hop to a hot babe (men who date ugly women actually cheat less often) later or he doesn't really want her (if he didn't actually want her, why would he even bother?), or some other villainous bullshit.

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empathetic women make good wives specifically in terms of child rearing, you want a woman who's sensitive to certain cues and perspectives.

i highly doubt people are looking for potential marital partners in this sub, specifically.

and being empathetic or sensitive to other people’s feelings doesn’t necessarily mean you actually understand the other person’s perspective.

Having said that, I never hear woman say: "I want a guy for LTR who can't relate to my perspective". Everyone does, unless you're looking for one night stand, and you just need the guy to lust for you without any attachments.

i guess i just never thought a man would understand my perspective because he’s not a woman. he can have empathy for it, he may be able to understand what i’m telling him, and (if he’s really good at it) he may even be able to understand my experiences as a woman to a certain degree; but he will never really be able to understand my perspective because he hasn’t lived it and never will.

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no, it’s not impossible to empathize; it’s impossible to actually be able to completely understand another person’s perspective when you’ve never been through something similar. you may be able to gauge how they could’ve felt or what they might’ve thought, you may even be able to understand how they felt; but you will never truly know because you are not them and you do not share their mind or their circumstances.

I'm saying that most/nearly all people have experienced happiness, sadness, anger, fear, etc., so instances that involve those can be imagined and empathized with.

yes, which is why i said you can empathize to a degree. you can know what it feels like to experience those common emotions, but you won’t truly know what it feels like to be in a position you’ve never been in before.

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It's Bubbles all the way down too. Not everyone lives in supermodel utopia where everyone loves you and money falls out of the sky, but the more attractive you are, the better your life is. This is why (fem/in)cels are so hateful. People treat them so rottenly that they become mean and bitter as a defense mechanism against others and their own hearts.

This combined with what happens when they reach out or ask for sympathy especially men (lost count of how many times women told me to kill myself) is why they turn into monsters who want the world to burn. Abusing someone for something out of their control especially at a young age and then when they reach out you punch them is going to make them into killers we know this from examples such as serial killers or guards who torture people in death camps. I saw someones comment here about reaching out that I felt was good enough to save:

" Well that's kind of like saying, "Stop mentioning how painfully depressed you are, it's not fun." You expect or hope when you reach out in emotional pain to your peers and friends that people who care about you will respond with empathy and compassion."

"Sure, no one likes a constant complainer, but I think you have to realize what happens when people reach out like that and get coldness back. You know what happens? Psychopathy. At least, that's what happens with babies who literally reach out to humans and the humans don't respond, as in neglectful homes. The adult version is a bit more moderated, but it basically involves someone ultimately giving up, closing off those empathetic connection ports, and saying "fine, I won't care about you either." Having lots of people do this is VERY BAD for society."

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The Boko Haram thing was confusing to me - we all knew that the boys were burned alive. It was horrific - but they were dead. The ones who were alive to save and still actively being tortured were the girls

What were we going to do, reanimate the boys corpses? Of course the emphasis was on the ones who were alive

It’s not a zero sum game - people can care about both groups of victims, while still recognizing that only one group is alive

Anyhow, it’s not about sexism, it’s about the fact that pretty, wealthy (or at least comfortable) white girls in trouble are very media-friendly. The murder that breaks my heart is Romona Moore - that poor girl was tortured horrifically (seriously, don’t read the NYTimes article) while the media totally ignored the fact that she was missing. She likely would have been saved if her case was featured more heavily

As much as I benefit from it, I can fully recognize the fact that the world pampers pretty white girls and it’s unfair to literally anyone else

EDIT - also, in this case, dude was a cop. The guy was literally supposed to “serve and protect.” That makes this case even more juicy - it’s up there with Cannibal Cop

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which is why despite the disgust one would feel utilizing material/worldly incentives to motivate the less than virtuous people, it has to be done to a certain extent.

what an interesting way to argue slutty clothes>developing a personality

it still seems lazy, but hey whatever. I would say men reject that notion as a whole. They seem to consider that if the shallow virtues are all they're being assessed on, the shallow virtues in kind is all they'll enjoy. More of like a play stupid games, win stupid prizes kind of thing. It's not like they stopped appreciating noble virtues, they complain very specifically frequently and literally about all the same things they want, and then chicks pretend like it's actually just more slutty behavior they want, instead of the traditional virtues that women find to be too much work or not rewarding enough for their ego.

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Not really, the ever self victimizing picture men paint of women as manipulative is the result of them not realizing they're doing the exact same thing of choosing people like that. Men overwhelmingly go for "crazy," especially personality disorders. The average woman is not manipulative. The average man is.

Nor are men lacking in sympathy. Go to any male dominated space with some guy talking about how a girl broke his heart and there will be overwhelming sympathy for him. Even in plenty of real life places, especially in environments where people have the "Jezebel complex" (in which the world is divided into good sweet women and then snake-like evil women that exist to seduce and manipulate men), such as male dominated environments, people will have exactly that - this mentality of "good women" and "bad women" that exist, and a single step out of line makes a woman "bad." Whereas men are complex human beings that can do bad things and still be good people, and are treated as redeemable while women are not.

The idea of women being redeemable for their actions is a very new concept only widely perpetuated post-WWII era liberal protestantism and second wave feminism, prior to that a single mistake branded a woman for life whereas men could easily seek redemption. And even now most men don't genuinely view women as redeemable or victims, they say so to save face.

Her hamster has gotten out of control lol

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I think things are automatically seen as worse when men do them when it comes to relationships bc 1) men hold more power and 2) likelihood of doing something shitty... He can, and is likely to, convince an 18 year old girl that relationship-rape and physical abuse aren't that bad or are normalized.

What's an older girl gonna do, convince the boy it's normal to what, buy her a gift slightly more often than normal? Like yeah a girl CAN be manipulative towards a younger boy but the chances she will are pretty low and the severity of the manipulation will be significantly less. Convincing a boy it's normal to spend an extra $20 here or there is a mean thing to do but it isn't nearly as bad as convincing a girl rape is ok if you're dating and stuff like that.

And when the guy leaves the older mildly abusive girl he'll be treated as a victim because "wow what an evil bitch I'm so sorry dude that sucks" but the girl in the inverse situation with the severely abusive guy gets "well you're the one that chose him, hope you learned your lesson, nooo don't report him for doing illegal things don't be overdramatic" kind of shit. Yeah there's a narrative that female abuse victims get sympathy/support but that doesn't play out in reality

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Not really, the ever self victimizing picture men paint of women as manipulative is the result of them not realizing they're doing the exact same thing of choosing people like that. Men overwhelmingly go for "crazy," especially personality disorders. The average woman is not manipulative. The average man is.

Nor are men lacking in sympathy. Go to any male dominated space with some guy talking about how a girl broke his heart and there will be overwhelming sympathy for him. Even in plenty of real life places, especially in environments where people have the "Jezebel complex" (in which the world is divided into good sweet women and then snake-like evil women that exist to seduce and manipulate men), such as male dominated environments, people will have exactly that - this mentality of "good women" and "bad women" that exist, and a single step out of line makes a woman "bad." Whereas men are complex human beings that can do bad things and still be good people, and are treated as redeemable while women are not.

The idea of women being redeemable for their actions is a very new concept only widely perpetuated post-WWII era liberal protestantism and second wave feminism, prior to that a single mistake branded a woman for life whereas men could easily seek redemption. And even now most men don't genuinely view women as redeemable or victims, they say so to save face.

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Really depends where you work. I made less because I work one on one (not currently working because of health issues). So like $17 an hour. If you work in a facility it can be in the mid 20s. I can't do that though. It means neglecting people because instead of one person to care for during your shift, you have like 8-12. they're all so lonely and sad and scared, it sucks any and all happiness right out of you. Then you see them die. It takes a certain kind of person to do that job, which unfortunately is why it's rampant with abuse.

With one person you can make a difference and truly make their days better.

My husband works retail actually. He's higher up and makes $60,000+ a year. He's hoping to eventually o be GM... That would mean six figures.

So yeah, some people working retail make bank.

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Transformed wife is just the best (worse) source of rage porn. I'm really really thankful to my mother and our luck that our whole family isn't into Christianity and I haven't been raised in it.

Sadly, teaching Christian wives to be sexually available to their husbands (1 Cor. 7:5) as God commands, and attractive for them (1 Cor. 7:34) which most husbands would appreciate, is highly offensive to many women these days.

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It’s good to teach your daughters that men are visual & they should try to stay as attractive as they can. Teach them to eat moderately, healthy, & exercise. We are to discipline our bodies. Teach them before marriage about not depriving their husbands sexually. This is biblical!

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I predict the cases of cancer is going to skyrocket with the (mask) wearing, hand sanitizers, & disinfectants being sprayed everywhere; all known to cause cancer. Get rid of toxic chemicals in your home & in and on your body. Eat lots of vegetables and get outside as much as you can.

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"The true female victims today are not women who are willingly bound by love to the Lord, to their husbands & children. The true victims are rather those women who have been deceived by unbiblical & satanic feminist ideas about being liberated from God and the home." (MacArthur)

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Eh, I guess. Lake Union doesn't have a huge amount of housing which is the bigger thing. North side of the lake is probably one of my favorite views though. Used to watch fireworks for July 4th from the Burke-Gilman. Eastlake neighborhood is fun though, there's some good stuff along there. I know the Central District and further south there's some interesting stuff. The only issue I'd have living along Westlake is that it's right off Aurora and that whole area is weirdly unwalkable for being centrally located, especially if you are farther north, but below the ship canal. It's a really nice walk during the summer though. Even North of Queen Anne, but south of the ship canal along Nickerson, there isn't all that much and that area isn't super walkable, but that might just be me comparing everything to LQA/Belltown/Capitol Hill/U District.

Note: I really really dislike Bellevue though, and Mercer Island is just not really an area I get around to very often.

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When I was in college I worked at a big department store. At the end of the night we had to put the money from our registers in a bag, then wait for our managers to get on the PA and call our department to take the money up to them. It could sometimes be a long wait and got boring with nothing to do, and since we'd been on our feet all day and were tired, we would often sit on the counter near our registers while we waited.

I was doing this one evening and unbeknownst to me I started my period while sitting on the counter and bled through my pants. When our manager called and I got down from the counter, I immediately felt it, and to my horror I saw there was a bunch of blood on the counter where I'd been sitting. Thankfully my coworker (an older woman, very mom type) was very cool and sweet about it and took the money up while I stayed back and cleaned the counter with hand sanitizer and paper towels and then went to the bathroom to try and clean myself up. She also helped me sneak out of the store so no one would see me with a big blood stain on my pants. It was mortifying but it would have been so much worse if anyone else saw me. Still, definitely one of the most embarrassing things that's ever happened to me.

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When I was like 23, I went to a friend’s wedding. I wore a really pretty floral bias cut silk cocktail dress from JCrew - so not risqué, though it did have spaghetti straps

The back of the dress dipped just low enough that the back of any bra I owned was visible. Being 23, with all of the gravity benefits a 23 year old girl enjoys, I decided to just forgo the bra

Sure enough, I’m dancing with friends (pretty late into the reception, so everyone is drunk) in front of the band, and a strap snaps. Rather than, I don’t know, grab the front of my dress and hold it up, I instead panic and grab a friend, press her to my naked breast, and we crab walk off of the dance floor to the ladies room, where someone kindly safety pins it back into place

The bride’s twin brother still refers to me as Boobie McGee nearly 17 years after the fact

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omg thank you so much for sharing!! i do not want to laugh at your misery (but imagine the fact that maybe people heard me use the bathroom today, sigh 💔i don't think so though,,,,,but just the possibility...) -- but that's so funny. the things we do when we panic, and kind people who always have pins handy are really the MVPS of life 😩

The bride’s twin brother still refers to me as Boobie McGee nearly 17 years after the fact

LMAOOOO

wardrobe malfunctions like this happened so often in my junior and senior year of high school i'd constantly go to the bathroom to make sure my boobs were behaving (literally the downside of having big boobs is wearing any type of clothing i want, ever, i'm not risqué at all in daily life attire especially compared to peers but it makes me look 😡i'm sure you know what i mean haha)

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quick someone please share something embarrassing!!!! go go go

Once, probably 15-20 years ago, I was backpacking in the UK. I found myself in London, staying at a hostel, getting by on the oh-so-greasy British sausage and eggs. It was... bad for my digestion. I came down with the ol' diarrhea.

This being a backpacking trip, I had naught but a single pair of jeans to my name. This being a hostel-staying trip, I had no access to laundry facilities.

So. I'm outside some London landmark (Westminster Abbey? Can't remember), and I feel it a-comin. Bad. There's a public bathroom nearby. So I charge in, givin 'er down the stairs, I'm almost there, I'm at the stall doorway -

and I would have made it, if it hadn't been for the good-natured African janitor kindly waving me over to the next stall because he was busy cleaning that one.

So I'm London, backpacking, and now my sole pair of jeans are soaked in diarrhea. What can I do? I decide to spend time sunning and drying out in the nearby park before heading back to my hostel to shower it out.

On the subway ride back, whatever subway line I was on was not busy and I initially have the car to myself. At some point, a couple of hot young girls get in. They sit... within my general orbit. At first, they're talking, but over time, their chatter becomes less and they begin to steal glances at me. Not in a good way. In a really really disgusted way. At the next subway stop, they bail and switch cars.

In the end, the shower-it-out solution was only half successful, and I finished the last several days of my trip in diarrhea-stained jeans, which were promptly discarded upon my return home.

What's the moral of this story? Is it that one should always pack 2 pair of pants? Is it to eschew British cuisine? You tell me!

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I can guess most common reasons. Some think that it's the norm or that it's okay. I'd say that majority of people here still believe into traditional gender roles, although men rarely can provide for a whole family. As a result, women work and do most of domestic chores and child raising. It's also considered to be a woman's responsibility and even role to put up with a shitty partner. There is a saying "it's better to have a bad partner than no one" that is used only for bad male partners.

Another reason is that women from families with abusive fathers or history of abusive partners can consider just a neglecting partner as a good one, because he's not as bad as other men they used to be around.

Others put up for the sake of children, as most men don't keep in touch with children from their previous marriage.

Some women have nowhere to go or they wouldn't be able to raise their children on their own. It's really easy here not to pay child support or pay very little. And no, giving children to their fathers usually doesn't work, because fathers, surprise, don't want to take care of them.

And a fair share thinks that "but I love him" argument changes something. Or just don't want to be alone.

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New research from the Next Steps Project has found that millennials are waiting longer to have sex, with one in eight 26-year-olds still virgins.

Researchers from the Department for Education and University College London tracked 16,000 people born in 1989-90 since they were fourteen.

When they interviewed those people in 2016, when the participants were 26, researchers found that one in eight had never had sex.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/05/06/one-eight-26-year-olds-virgins-millennials-scared-intimacy-says-new-research-7525253/?ito=cbshare

This bit of research came out three years ago and was reported semi-widely in the British press. Unfortunately every article was severely lacking in detail (presumably a reflection of the press release that was put out). Its central claim - that 12.5% of 26-year-olds are virgins - strikes me as very bold, and I'd like to learn more about it. I'm especially interested in a breakdown by gender. My guess would be that levels of virginity are higher in the male population than the female.

Does anyone know if such a breakdown of this particular dataset exists?

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Un neutered male dogs are fucking annoying assholes anyway.

Funny, I've heard the exact same sentiment from radical feminists about men and testosterone. Humans constant need to bend other beings to their will without regard can be disgusting. It's how we ended up with abominations like Pugs.

There's nothing wrong with intact male dogs; they act as is their nature. If that's not acceptable to you, don't have dogs.

Shelters are full of dogs nobody wants because people don't spay and neuter

Shelters are packed full of pitbulls no one wants, to the point they now routinely lie to trick people into adopting them. The people that own this breed are generally not responsible, which goes hand in hand with not neutering but correlation is not causation.

Most dogs alive today should not exist. Most dog suffering in the world is caused by dog 'lovers'. They claim dogs are part of their family but have twisted them into broken slaves with no agency or spirit.

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I posted this elsewhere but I thought I'd share it here since it's dating-related.

So last week I did what a single guy is supposed to do: I went to a bar and summoned up the courage to approach a woman there. She seemed suspiciously attractive to be drinking alone, but I end up talking to her and enjoying it. She's a bit ambiguous about her job, but it involves bars from what I gather. Oh well, I don't push too hard. I get her phone number and she says she'd enjoy seeing me soon. I leave feeling pleased with myself.

For the next week I try texting her, and her responses are brief, just saying she'd like me to "come by". My attempts at asking her about her day, or trying to nail down a day for a date, go unanswered. She doesn't seem interested in chatting at all. After about a week I can see that I'm about to get fully ghosted if I keep doing what I'm doing. So I outright say that I must be bad at picking up hints: what would she like to do?

I've been ghosted many times before, and at this point, I just want the truth.

So it turns out, she's a stripper. And she clarified: she never meant to go out on a date with me, she was suggesting I come by her club and watch her dance. I had no idea that the club she name-dropped was a strip club; apparently I was supposed to put the pieces together myself.

So, no date for me. But hey, at least I don't feel so bad about myself now that I know what was actually going on. I guess I really am bad at picking up subtext, so yeah, go ahead and laugh.

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Oh man where to start with this.

She was treated terribly because she wore a cute dress to a party??

You know why she was being called out. She went to an antebellum party at an old slave plantation.

They threw her under the bus while master-simp whined that she had 'learning to do'.

This was on the reunion episode. The actual season Rachael got a great edit and honestly she was given the best dates as well. They talked about it on the reunion because they could no longer ignore it. Addressing it was the correct thing to do since antebellum parties are steeped in racism.

Even the black 'presenter' was a joke, because clearly Chris couldn't handle something like that???

Chris Harrison stepped down as host weeks ago because of the terrible interview he did trying to defend Rachael.

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You know why she was being called out. She went to an antebellum party at an old slave plantation.

She didn't organize it. And who cares? They're making a mountain old of a molehill to fabricate controversy and drum up ratings. It's pathetic, both on their part and the sheeple that eat that shit up...

Addressing it was the correct thing to do since antebellum parties are steeped in racism.

It wasn't 'addressed', nor did it need to be. It was a few years ago, she apologized, what more is there to say? She's not a KKK member, doesn't own any slaves, wasn't alive when any of it occurred. The worst thing she did was show up to a party in a cute dress and take a photo...

Chris Harrison stepped down as host weeks ago because of the terrible interview he did trying to defend Rachael.

He was pushed out by SJW cancel culture and a bunch of cowards.

Its all good though... hopefully that backlash will see the bachelor ratings fall, and they can cancel the POS and I never have to hear it playing in the background again.

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Not that I support this war on Asian people but woke people turning on Asians happens because so many Asians adopt the white man's attitude toward black people. Which is how you get black women being shot in the back of the head in Asian stores and then getting away with it. And never try being black and getting a job in an Asian-owned place.

But it ain't like that everywhere. Kpop dudes went to work on anti-black nonsense by white supremacists on Twitter and became a plague upon the alt right. I've talked to black women who visited South Korea and told tales of being oggled by men only for other South Korean men to start yelling at the oggler and telling him to stop. We do see pockets of Asians protesting anti-black racism in the US, too. Times are changing, but very slowly. African Americans have been getting kicked by everyone and their grudges take time to heal.

That white supremacist game of divide and conquer is the kind of shit that Hitler should have been jealous of.

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Another successful salt. This is the second time meeting this particular woman. She is actually starting to grow on me. We had sex and then talked for about two hours straight, which felt more like 10 minutes. I would totally date this girl. She is a nerdy kind of girl, besides getting a worthless degree she is was actually pretty intelligent. She is an anthropology major. We talked a lot about biology, psychology, sociology, history, shit like that, a lot I picked up from reading random shit on the internet including on this sub. I had to flex on her with my knowledge of atatls, north sentinel islanders and fisherian runaways.

I feel half bad im probably going to be ghosting her soon. She is someone who does not try and enforce boundaries but I can tell she was beating around the bush about getting paid.

Hypothetically, if you were a woman who got salted, would you want an explanation? Or would you rather they just ghost?

I dont think im brazen enough to say words equating to "Yeah I salted you, but you seem cool im willing to keep meeting you." But ive thought about it a bit. Should I?

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yeah i feel that, i talk to a lot of women about this stuff LMAO yeah my age (19). but i don't know a young woman who's dumb enough to fall for that. especially if you have access to the internet and/or live in a city? how do you fall for that lmaooo you can literally make some men just rub your feet for money or just go on a few dates!! and that's all they ask for/want. it doesn't take experience, but i guess some are not very street smart, like you said.

when i was like 15 i was put into this sugar daddy scam group chat with 18 and 19 year old women i was talking to from twitter and we were devising and did get payouts without having to give back anything 😃but i was a minor so that stopped quick

let me find these women he's managing to sleep with because i will warn them so fast!! plus tiktok is a good resource lmaooo not for professional sugar babies but uhm people who are scamming on the other side or looking to do little things for cash.

my gay male friend literally just sends voice messages to this man on a messaging app and he sends him giftcards 😭

hey... you should give your TED Talks in tiktok format!!! when i start posting thirst traps or something i will shout you out ❤️

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I don't know at what height the benefits of being short stop, but short people in general live longer:

Cancer isn’t the only chronic disease with a relationship to height---scientists have also been examining how height affects risk of heart disease. One study examining cardiovascular disease risk and height in men found that men who were taller than 6' 1" (185 cm) had a 35% lower risk of having a heart attack than men who were shorter than 5' 7" (170 cm). Every inch a man gained in height resulted in a 2-3% decrease in heart attack risk.

A 2002 study of over 10,000 Israeli civil servants published in Stroke found that height was also associated with lower stroke risk. Taller people are, however, more likely to suffer from recurrent blood clots.

Data from the 1,691 women enrolled in the Iowa Women’s Health Study revealed that women taller than 5' 6" are 76% more likely to have a blood clot recur than women shorter than 5' 2".

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The red pill prides itself on being helpful to men, in a bad situation. It has effective strategies, and empirically works. There are 4 decent criticisms that are genuine:

1 they sold out: they're used car salesmen they tried to make a bookclub last week about appealing to classics and it's just a social media feed of fox news.

2 they lost their message: people associate the red pill with hating women or mgtows or black pill, or rebuilding masculinity etc. which is not the point, it's just a set of guidelines and expectations you should have in postmodern sexual relationships

3 they're out of date: the black pill is growing faster. Men are having less sex, and the decline is slowly becoming more and more impossible to enjoy

4 they lost the ability to appeal to men anymore: the black pill again.

The idiocy that doesn't work is :

1: arguing that the tenets of the red pill aren't correct

- they are, and you can't convince one that they don't. They can SEE that it works.

2: arguing that redpill interpretations of women aren't right

- they are, and you can't convince one that they don't. They can SEE that it works.

3: arguing that red pill interpretations of women apply just as much to men

- irrelevant discussion to whether the red pill works for its intended purpose

4: arguing feminist stances

- irrelevant discussion to whether the red pill works for its intended purpose

5: red pillers are incels or are bitter at women and have personality flaws

- i shouldn't have to explain why this is effete.

6: arguing that the dating situation isn't bad for men

- it's self disproving on a sub that is focused on the broken dating sphere, we have tons of evidence to support men in general are screwed over, and you certainly can't disprove the red pill with it. In a healthy dating scene the red pill doesn't exist. You might aswell be putting your head in the sand if you argue this.

7: arguing the dating situation is caused by some sociological factor

- irrelevant discussion to whether the red pill works for its intended purpose

8: arguing that red pill has a confirmation bias

- irrelevant discussion to whether the red pill works for its intended purpose

-blue pillers and women don't really have anything to base this criticism upon.

Fundamentally, the problem with opposing the red pill, is that red pillers DO things, and people who criticise the red pill do not. They might aswell be brains in a jar living in a world entirely constructed by red pillers. The whole existence of this discussion is framed around the red pill, and the world it creates. The closest blue pillers get to bringing anything to the discussion is finding evidence someone else made. the blue pill lacks substance, not only in its ideas, and veracity, but in the personality of its consumers, and so the only effective strategy of debating it is to argue it's not benefiting men because the principles are not being taught effectively. Not that the principles are wrong, but that they are lost to time, outdated, or given up out of the selfish desires of a few people in charge of it.

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I like this.Still I'll address the criticisms.

1:Its irrelevant if they sold out. You can get everything you need out of it completely free of charge. That some dudes try to make some money from the fame it gave them is to be expected and IMO not that big of a deal.

2:Whether people associate it with misogyny or whatever is also irrelevant. The red pill isn't a social movement, it's a sexual strategy for the individual. It's goal isn't to gain popularity but to help the person reading it get what he wants out of women.

3:Thats actually kinda valid. BUT(T) it's not out of date YET. While hooking up online is slowly replacing real life flirting we aren't at the point yet where it isn't a viable strategy. Also you could argue that it won't ever be completely outdated because you still need to interact face to face with the woman after matching with her so RP will still be useful. I will agree though that the black pill is more relevant in an Online restricted SMP

4:It was never going to appeal to most men and it never really tried to. It requires the man to put a lot of effort and shows many truths most men aren't willing to accept. The black pill defeatism is much more appealing to most men. "Its all about looks so there isn't much I can do anyway".

it's self disproving on a sub that is focused on the broken dating sphere, we have tons of evidence to support men in general are screwed over, and you certainly can't disprove the red pill with it. In a healthy dating scene the red pill doesn't exist. You might aswell be putting your head in the sand if you argue this.

The red pill isn't just about navigating the modern SMP. It's about understanding how female sexuality works. It would be useful in a healthy SMP just like it is in this one. The difference is that in a healthy dating scene there is more room for other strategies (blue pill beta buxxing for example) to find some success.

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See "arguments that don't work #2" You can laugh as you like but red pillers laugh when they get proven right. If their predictions are right, their hypothesis, has more evidence than just saying "i'm a woman so i'd know better". That's not a debate point, and it's not going to convince a red piller. what matters is what women do, not what they say. What you THINK and SAY is not what you believe. what you DO is what you really believe. (this is one of those tools that works on both genders)

The whole point of red pill is to deconstruct women's behavior enough for 1 single practical purpose. That is more thought put into a woman, than any woman (that i know of) puts into herself. Let them talk about what they want amongst each other. Argue against it if you feel at liberty to. Asking them to stop is rather self-centerd and presumptuous. It's not like red pillers say what they say for YOUR benefit smurf. If it sounds stupid, ask yourself if these guys who spent way longer thinking about how you operate, and can play women on a dime, understand women in a way they don't themself, and if so: is it stupid or terrifying?

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Not if you're in the business of making cars.

They’re flat out wrong in hypothesizing why women will do it

Based upon what? your perspective? You expect them to intellectually neuter themselves, and then give up on their empirical method because you THINK it's wrong for no reason other than that? While we're at it, let's nuke the whole of psychology, because that's how they prove their theories too. You know what let's branch out here, quantum physics may be able to predict an event within 1/10000000 of the time, but you know what, let's stop believing physics phd's know why, i mean their only proof is that they tested and predict events with perfect accuracy. they need to give up on hypothesizing WHY. And, honestly who cares?

Come on. you can call them stupid all you want for this or that, but at the end of the day, every red piller has been called a lot worse. WHy would any red piller listen to you? because you think their hypothesis SOUNDS dumb? what makes this OPINION more credible than the scientific method, empiricism, and modern wisdom by people who ACTUALLY BOTHERED TO HELP THEM SMURF? Why on earth do this? it seems only to satisfy you personally in an immediate sense.

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No, based on the entirety of [the words of] every woman on this sub, regardless of pill color, telling you all that you’re wrong

Which is not what red pillers care about. It's not what you say, it's what you do. They're different, frequently contradictory, that's the whole point of the red pill.

So stop theorizing about them, and stick to what works best - describing what works on women, not what our lives and inner lives are

What? Do i need permission? does a psychologist need permission to think too?

Because, ultimately, by giving false information,..

Why in the world do you think falsehoods are helpful to any TRPer?

you just jumped and ASSUMED it was false. look if you actually had any answers, they would have been helpful. But you didn't and don't. I don't need to ask you what you're like to understand you, typically, the answer i get is DEAD WRONG. PROVABLY dead wrong. So when you say you have an answer about what women are thinking and feeling, and it's prove-ably wrong, and a red piller says what women are thinking and it's testably right, who has the right to say when something is a falsehood here? because the whole point in the FIRST PLACE was that women peddled these guys a falsehood. And red pill set the records straight.

What right do you have to claim that you're the foremost knowledgeable person about what women are like? just because you are one? I'm sure you can already come up with obvious and consistent examples where this reasoning breaks down. what right do you have to demand anything of a red piller? what do you give or teach or do to show them something valuable or to help them? you're not involved,you're an onlooker. You have opinions and no evidence. You have demands, and no goodwill. Where do they, or I owe this to you? you might THINK things, but you're not doing the legwork to prove it or offer anything helpful like red pillers do.

Think it's stupid all you want. Or if you want to act like a grown up, give them something better.

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You know how you feel (well,a lot of times you do) but the important thing is why you feel what you feel and women are terrible about figuring that out. For example the woman in a relationship might lose attraction for the man and start finding everything the man does annoying. In her mind she feels frustrated with him because of the dishes and it's the dishes that made her lose attraction. In reality the chronological order is.... different. TRP deals with the root of your feelings, not the post hoc rationalizations that justify those feelings.

TRP trying to explain what it’s like to live as a woman comes down to “this is how I’d think if I were a woman.”

Trust me none of what TRP describes as female behavior and thought is how a man would act or think in the woman's position.

Just look at how they describe the FSM - there’s no reason for TRP to care about that, or talk about it.

I don't know what you are referring to

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If i understand, if you in a market, people have a choice, and that they rational, so they will take the better choice, aka best price/quality ratio, that pushes the companies to create cheaper and better quality products, i am right so far?

In the case of healthcare, the urgency of the need make it impossible for people to really want to negociate or seek the better options, you in front of people who are facing life/death situation, you can bet that in most case you can set the price how you want it, that wont affect how they will want to find a way to cure their sick one.

There usually not a lot of other options, we not talking about the market of smartphone, where i spend a week before buying something, i compare the models, the shop, the prices, the specs... what i am supposed to do if my mom have cancer? seek a better option? but how? it is not like you have a shit tone of options, and why would the health specialist lower their price? i am the one who is in a life and death situation not them, they totally have more power in this dynamic...the demand is not sensible to the price in that type of dynamic, we not talking about tacos

Also health care sound lowkey like monopoly, all the hospital are already full, it is not like you can go, oh this one is too expensive, i will just go for another one, when most of the other hospitals are already full....

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Nah, it's just how young women tend to be-- they have much lower self esteem than older women, which means they worry way more about socially conforming and not offending people than older women (basically, younger women, and especially teens, are more overcome by the the "nobody will like me if I disagree" feeling).

The same thing was the case when my mom was young-- she described herself that way too, and said getting older made her more relaxed about interactions and made her give way fewer shits about being liked by everyone. The internet hadn't been invented yet.

And part of it is just maturing, which happens to men and women: it's easier to stop worrying about being accepted after you've slipped up and failed to conform a bunch of times only to find that people really didn't react in the negative way you thought they would.

And lol, men thought young women were even less "interesting" and worth talking to in the past than now, what with the whole "women should be silent" and "women are stupid" sentiments being more common in the past.

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Nah, it's just how young women tend to be-- they have much lower self esteem than older women, which means they worry way more about socially conforming and not offending people than older women (basically, younger women, and especially teens, are more overcome by the the "nobody will like me if I disagree" feeling).

I agree to an extent but you underestimate the impact of social media. If I find a woman who is herself and doesn't care what strangers believe, I actually think she's too good for me, like women who are honest about being maternal and wanting a husband. They are beyond rare.

And lol, men thought young women were even less "interesting" and worth talking to in the past than now, what with the whole "women should be silent" and "women are stupid" sentiments being more common in the past.

This is trope. Women could speak. Working-class men could only vote over a century ago in my country, wealthy women dominated the poor.

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I actually think she's too good for me, like women who are honest about being maternal and wanting a husband. They are beyond rare.

Wanting to be a mom... really isn't going against the crowd, lol. Most women want to have kids sometime in their life, and most of those women want a husband, rather than be single moms.

I agree to an extent but you underestimate the impact of social media.

I agree somewhat, but it's very strange you think wanting to be a mother and wife is "going against the grain"... it's probably the one thing most women on earth have in common! And as for social media, loads and loads of mothers are part of massive social media groups with all the attendant social shaming and group think. See, for example, mommy-blogging, and how social media pushes moms to have this idyllic perfect feminine goddess existence. Like... women online social media shame over feeding the kid the wrong baby food. Mom-oriented stuff is one of the judgiest social media environments there is, and there's tons of group-think.

Women could speak.

Yes, they could speak, they didn't have their vocal chords cut out. They were simply encouraged not to, and especially not about "men's topics" like politics, war, science, etc, and doubly so, not to speak about these topics in the company of men-- women were often considered too stupid to contribute to a discussion about such topics productively.

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I mean the way they sit, the ways they cross their legs, their posture. I can't even put my finger on it, they just 'act' more womanly.

ah yeah that's true i think older women may have more feminine behavior or rely on womanly means of seduction more

Younger women are undoubtedly beautiful though.

yeah, older women are definitely too (i love milfs! 😌), but obviously youth is a good look on anyone, so true :)

I would love children and I'm obviously fertile at 30ish but we are tied to the women our own age. Women my age have already lost some fertility and by the time she gets to know me and is 'ready' she will be at least 33. It's getting me down. Thank you being optimistic though. x

ahh don't be too sad about it. like i said, if you really want children there's ways with or without a partner. optimistic, but realistic too!

women your age still have their fertility and options due to modern medicine (medicine has made "the wall" almost irrelevant and will probably continue to do so), and at 33 you can still do it too, though it'll be a bit harder. don't fret or worry too much, just wait for the pandemic to be over (though it may already be over where you are, idk, if so then go and get out there and pursue if you can!!! or dating apps or something).

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okay that "ties to the CCP" thing, Marxism doesn't mean they support the CCP. is this a conspiracy theory or do you have a source for that?

btw "overthrowing" capitalism and defunding the police are not necessarily bad things but i can see how some people could disagree with that depending on their political stances and they are well within their rights for that. BLM activists are very clear in their goals and people who support the movement/are activists for the movement are aware of that. of course BLM has ties to leftism, anticapitalism, and the defunding of the police. do you not see what it is a response to?

that doesn't mean you can't be an ally or at least not undermine a movement clearly meant to uplift black people due to a unique struggle.

all lives matter strikes me as a way to agree with the sentiment that every life should matter, while distancing themselves from the awful political group.

nah it's just retaliation even though BLM didn't mention anything about other races. of course every life matters. that is a given.

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That's a bad analogy. His point is women have a blind spot in accurately judging their SMV because sex for women is like water on tap. Its instantaneously available with little to no effort. Women frequently equate them getting used for casual sex by top 20% men as indication that they are high value, which is simply not true and never will be true in future.

You already know 80:20 rule: 80% of women want 20% of men. By that logic, any man who gets casual sex on the regular is at the very least top 30%. So, unless the woman has model tier looks, then by definition, these women are not in the same SMV value as their casual male sex partners. Time after time we know once men get sick and tired of all the casual relationships, they usually marry women of similar SMV as them. (meaning top 20% women in terms of looks, beauty, smv. The concept of wall practically doesn't exist for these top 20% women)

I have known many women who claim to hate "degrading" sex from their bf's or their casual partners... even though they constantly go after them exclusively, but then call men of average looks or on similar smv as them as "creeps" for their naïve comments or even looking at their general direction.

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Yeah I think they just argue whatever point they think will hurt the guy the most in that situation or just disagree for the sake of disagreeing.

If we're talking about which gender has it worse they'll say women have it worse because they can't offset their looks with money, that they are judged unfairly for n count and guys replace them for younger women.

On other posts they'll say the notion of the wall, older men dating younger women and sluts struggling to get married is an incel revenge fantasy.

and like you said

Like if incels are talking about how women go for the hottest guys for casual sex, suddenly they all have ugly male friends who are having threesomes.

on other posts "obviously I go for the tallest hottest guys youd do the same if you had our options 💁‍♀️"

like pick a fucking side and stick to it

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But from woman's perspective she does it because she doesn't see you as LTR and doesn't give a shit what you think.

I think that is sometimes just to ease their ego. Like one girl seemed to say that to be hookup material it is a prerequisite that she doesn't see you as relationship material but her current fiance started as a one night stand and because he actually wanted a relationship then suddenly he became relationship material.

So it seems like:

he just wants me for sex= meh I never wanted him anyways. He's just a dildo. I used him too.
he wants to escalate from fuckbuddies to relationship= he is relationship material.

Not saying that's always the case, but it seems to be the case occasionally. Also even if she truly did only see him as fuckbuddy material lot of guys still find it flattering to be chosen for fun and excitement instead of being chosen for mostly for sharing responsibility and obligation

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Well I think anyone who rejects a lot of people and only finds a fraction of the populace fuckable would accurately consider themselves as having high standards.

Sometime ago (can't remember if it was in PPD or the IRC) we did this thing about counting all the women we see in a day and how many of them you would actually bother and it was eye-opening to me. I can't remember the exact numbers but it was like ~100ish women and only three that even interested me visually. I did a repeat ot the next day and I happened to luck out and was walking in with the nursing students so there were like seven that day. I don't consider myself to have remotely high standards. But there it is. Forcing myself to think about fucking literally every single woman was quite eye-opening about how well the subconscious filtering works.

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Can we start a discussion on the topic of how men and women fare after a relationship ends?

The data shows that women start off with grieving initially but then as time goes on, they reach a period of normalcy where they've completely gotten over the person and have moved on while men conversely function within a period of normalcy but then experience lingering feelings in various intensities as time passes, almost like an inverse effect.

I would make this a full-blown discussion post if the mods weren't dumb and gay for thinking that listing a personal opinion on a discussion post makes it a CMV or a "critique my theory" post, but I think that men and women are pretty similar here and that most of the difference comes from women having a steady stream of interest from the opposite sex and this makes it easier to simply forget or redirect their feelings tied to previous love interests onto new ones, and also serves as a deterrent from experiencing the dopamine withdrawal that comes from suddenly splitting up. Men don't exactly have that same luxury so because partners are more sparse, that leaves more time for reflecting on past partners and relationships.

I personally find it somewhat difficult for someone to "capture my heart," but when they do, those feelings can persist for years, even without contact with said person. I think that if I had a lot more interest and an easier time "falling for" other people, I'd be able to forget as easy as women seem to, but what do y'all think?

Does this seem like a plausible conclusion, or is there something biologically tied to this, or maybe a little of both?

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I didn't break up with him before the relationship ended though,

Mentally. There's a grieving process that we usually go through depending on the feelings present, so if the relationship is going stale, you likely don't have very strong feelings and you don't feel like you're "in love"/in a relationship apart from saying/affirming that you are and maybe living together if you are living together.

There's a difference between thinking you're in a happy relationship and then suddenly finding out you're being cheated on and seeing your relationship slowly deteriorate until you find out you're being cheated on. The latter is less painful.

Right, so if you're seeing the relationship deteriorate, you feel less and less like you're in that relationship because you've already mentally separated yourself. That's what I meant by "break up before the relationship ended."

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I’ve always wondered if this was hard wired or socialized into people - the whole “women talking about feelings more” thing

I'm not sure if I'm familiar with women talking about feelings more, but it sounds like it's more socialized or just one of those things that people conclude because they never see it from the other side. Men talk about feelings with other men, not with women because men get penalized for doing so. Men aren't supposed to have any feelings other than "amgery man wake up for work and need eat before leave or else be more amgery."

From what I’ve seen, I really don’t know. But it definitely seems like men are more drawn to action (which lends itself to distraction immediately after a breakup) and women want to sit and feel our feelings

I think you're seeing a situation where the guys didn't really have intense feelings tied to their relationship. It was just a relationship where some good moments were had and then it ended. It seems to me like some people get into relationships because it's socially expected that they do it to be perceived as "normal" but their hearts aren't fully in it. For me, those kinds of relationships sound like fake, fantasized fuck-buddy-ships.

I'd give anything for a real, deep relationship with real/genuine feelings, but those are probably the hardest to find so people jump from the above so that they have someone in the meantime before they find that real one that blows the others away.

It seems like women break down immediately, and men try to bury it

Idk. I've seen/heard of men breaking down. Maybe it's just not something that is socially acceptable for men to do so we have to do our suffering in silence.

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It depends on who broke up with who. If she is the one that's breaking things up, she has already broken up with you in her head for weeks/months.The break up was just making things official. She has long moved on by that point. Usually by monkey branching.

If he breaks up with her then she has a much much harder time to get over things. Depending on how alpha the dude was, she may never will.

Men usually are blindsided when they are being dumped and it tends to hit them like a truck. How long he'll bounce back depends on the dude and the context.

If we are the ones doing the breakup we usually pass like a week or two when we are kinda happy and then regret, memories etc starts kicking in. Usually this happens because we break up due to our desire for variety or FOMO and find that the grass isn't actually greener on the other side of the fence.

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if anything this is to look out for each other and make sure they’re going with a good enough man not the other way around.

It serves multiple purposes. Safety and to make sure she gets permission to have sex otherwise she’ll look like a greedy slut who picks guys over her friends. Women try to avoid this again by asking for permission and hooking up together. If one girl plans to go home with a guy, the other will follow. If they both hook up, one can’t call the other out.

Men still slut shame, but it’s often the bottom percentage. I think slut shaming died back in 2010.

sure it does, but it’s not as harsh.

It’s not as harsh because you don’t care. Men who are 25+ living with parents is a common insult bitter women use. The only reason 30+ women with no kid or relationship is harsh is because it applies to you, so you take it personally.

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It serves multiple purposes. Safety and to make sure she gets permission to have sex otherwise she’ll look like a greedy slut who picks guys over her friends. Women try to avoid this again by asking for permission and hooking up together. If one girl plans to go home with a guy, the other will follow. If they both hook up, one can’t call the other out.

Men still slut shame, but it’s often the bottom percentage. I think slut shaming died back in 2010.

i mean have you been on PPD at all? yeah men still slut shame. but most men don't care irl, you're right.

true, safety, making sure she picked the right person, and not because she'll look like a "greedy slut" (i mean yeah chicks before dicks always!!!) and not to ask for permission but for the rest of her group to think he's cute enough for her lmao. i don't hook up, but my friends do check up on me before they do.

It’s not as harsh because you don’t care. Men who are 25+ living with parents is a common insult bitter women use. The only reason 30+ women with no kid or relationship is harsh is because it applies to you, so you take it personally.

no, it's just legit not as harsh. i'm about to be 20, but yeah i'm thinking i might not want a kid. so doesn't apply to me yet, but maybe one day. of course i feel the stigma and can empathize more with something that affects my gender, but you know that men 25+ are actually super common right? especially b/c the West has a mix of cultures and in other cultures that is far from looked down upon, it's actually normalized. some bitter women insults don't equal to stigma.

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Well, male nature is simpler and more apparent than female nature.

Women did have to choose mates very carefully before, yeah. The wrong choice would mean almost certain death to her and her child. I guess there's alot of social nuances that women are earlier aware of than men are.

I also think the realizations we make are harder to swallow (which I admit might be a little subjective) and female nature more counterproductive to relationships.

What realizations? Females are looking for good genes and resources; males mostly just decent genes, he's not too bothered if the child ends up being deformed as he already got to fulfil his reproductive imperative and can just hop on to the next female for a new try. His cost isn't exactly a big one if he's not happy with the resulting child.

I think both sides has realizations that are hard to swallow; women have to fear the wandering eye to any other fertile female, men have to fear the wandering eye to any other more capable male.

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do you even date men to able to say, definitively, that there are plenty of husbandly options out there?

when i was in my dating phases, most of the guys either sucked or kinda sucked. the great ones, the ones i would’ve actually wanted to be in a relationship with, were few and far in between. a lot of the good ones get snatched up early, too. my friends have all said the same thing, and my single friends who date men mostly just have complaints about them (even the gay ones!).

so what makes you think there’s plenty of husband material on the market when there’s barely good boyfriend material there? that might be true in certain places, but i don’t think that’s true of the western smp in general. maybe that can differ by generation, but it seems to be true for the younger ones.

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This is his point, these guys are the top 20% that women care about getting. The majority of guys I know just want a GF

this “top 20%” nonsense is so annoying to me because men and women have differing opinions as to what makes a person hv. so men think their version of a hvm or a “top 20%” man is the same as women’s idea of it and it’s not.

if a man has incredibly low rmv, how does that make him a hvm? it doesn’t.

like i was saying before; some of these guys look good on paper and have the looks, money, status, game, and whatever else. the things i listed that you’re saying make up the top 20% of men? those are things that significantly lower a man’s rmv. those are things i disqualified those “top 20%’ers” for. i’d put those guys in the “just for fun” category, not “bf” category.

just because women fuck these guys doesn’t mean they’re boyfriend or husband material. it means they’re fuckable.

let me ask you: if a woman is beautiful, physically fit, well-educated, financially stable, domesticated, and a freak in the sheets; is that enough to make her wifey material?

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They're the group of men that women are attracted to such that a bf/husband status is desirable. The fact they disqualify themselves by being noncommittal is irrelevant from their POV because they're fullfilling the male imperitive.

This is exactly why you early described how "most of the guys I dated were noncommittal" because many of the guys women find viscerally desirable have the leverage to be noncommittal, because so many women are after them.

well i was never really “after” these guys, they were “after” me.

also, you’re assuming that all of these guys are exceptionally attractive. a handful of them were exceptionally attractive, most fell between 4-6, and a couple of them were 3’s. all of them had a chance to be considered bf material as long as they didn’t disqualify themselves. i know, i know, i’m sorry this goes against your whole “awalt, women only want chad because they only find chad attractive” narrative.

and when i say “dated” i mean we went on some dates, but it never went further than that because they were noncommittal or had other issues. not all of them were noncommittal either, they just had some other issue or weren’t compatible with me.

Sure sounds like it..? Provided she doesn't have other token issues

that’s my point. everything looks good on paper and gets them through the door, but it’s not enough to keep them there because they could have issues that disqualify them (and most of the time, they do).

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you made a definitive claim and you brought up the studies, so i’d think the onus is on you to prove your own point.

Which I've personally done on multiple threads in PPD at least 10x now... at this point you're just being intentionally ignorant. And I'm not the only one.

You BPs love asking for studies, then refuse to read them. So why should I bother?

and i’ve read some of them, i just didn’t see how they proved that women are incapable of deciphering what is and isn’t an average man. it proved that women on dating apps (which is a minority of women, mind you) choose men based on how physically attractive they are (which makes sense, since you have very little else to gauge attraction on through the internet).

Classic hamstering.

not trying to play semantic games, just being honest. like i said, i don’t think attraction is so black and white. i don’t think not considering someone to be exceptionally attractive automatically means the person is unattractive. there are greys in between.

Yes you are playing semantic games. You keep adding intentionally ambiguous adjectives like 'exceptionally' to try to complicate the matter.

People can be quite accurately rated with fairly high consistency when it comes to physical attractiveness. We know what traits people look for, and they are highly consistent across the board, the variation is minimal.

BPs (and yourself) consistently state that men are ugly, that there are few 'good' ones, that they don't measure up, and then flip out when it's pointed out that women consider most men unattractive. Do you not see that they are the same phenomenon? This isn't rocket science here.

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Which I've personally done on multiple threads in PPD at least 10x now... at this point you're just being intentionally ignorant. And I'm not the only one.

so what you can do is find one of those comments and link it since, clearly, i wasn’t part of those threads. i’m not gonna scroll through your comment history to prove your point for you.

You BPs love asking for studies, then refuse to read them. So why should I bother?

just because i disagree with you doesn’t mean i’m a blue piller lmao

why should you bother? because you brought it up? lmfaoooo

Classic hamstering.

okay, are you gonna offer an actual rebuttal or just call it “hamstering” because you don’t like or understand what i said?

Yes you are playing semantic games. You keep adding intentionally ambiguous adjectives like 'exceptionally' to try to complicate the matter.

“exceptionally” is not an ambiguous or complicated term. exceptional = extraordinary. it’s not hard to understand.

you don’t live in my mind to know whether or not i’m doing something intentionally, but i understand that many of you rp men project malicious intent onto everything women say and do. i’m sorry if so many women hurt you that you assume every single one has malicious intent towards you.

BPs (and yourself) consistently state that men are ugly, that there are few 'good' ones, that they don't measure up, and then flip out when it's pointed out that women consider most men unattractive. Do you not see that they are the same phenomenon? This isn't rocket science here.

“men are ugly” is not something i’ve ever said. i’ve never said “i think most men are ugly” because i don’t know enough men to say that most of them are ugly. i don’t even think it’s specifically a bp idea that most men aren’t marriageable, it’d be more pink pill than anything else.

nobody here is flipping out. if you think every time someone disagrees with you that they’re being emotional or they must be blue pillers, you might just have a very big ego.

anyways, this has run its course now. the argument has been derailed and it seems like you’re arguing in bad faith anyway, so it can stop here.

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Found it.

Here is an interesting overview of singles in America by pew research:

While about three-in-ten U.S. adults (31%) say they are single – that is, not married, living with a partner or in a committed romantic relationship – that share varies widely across demographic groups. The youngest and oldest Americans are the most likely to be single – 41% of those ages 18 to 29 and 36% of those 65 and older say they are single, compared with 23% of those 30 to 49 and 28% of those 50 to 64.

These age differences bely huge differences by gender. Among men, those younger than 30 are by far the most likely to be single: About half of men in this age group (51%) are single, compared with only 27% of those ages 30 to 49 and 50 to 64 and 21% of men 65 and older. Women, by contrast, are by far most likely to be single later in life – roughly half of women ages 65 and older are unpartnered (49%), while those ages 30 to 49 are the least likely to be single (19%). Roughly three-in-ten women ages 18 to 29 (32%) and 50 to 64 (29%) are single.

The fact that men and women tend to be single at very different stages of life reflects both men’s shorter life expectancy and their tendency to marry later in life than women.

There are also differences in the share who are single by race and educational attainment. Black adults (47%) are much more likely to be single than White (28%) or Hispanic (27%) adults. About a third of those with a high school diploma or less education (34%) or some college experience (32%) are single, compared with 25% of those with at least a bachelor’s degree.

While 47% of adults who identify as gay, lesbian or bisexual are single, only 29% of straight adults are. LGB Americans do tend to be younger on average than those who are straight (among those surveyed, the median age of LGB respondents is 35 compared with 48 among straight adults), but these differences are just as large after controlling for age. For example, 56% of LGB adults ages 18 to 29 are single, compared with 37% of those who are straight.

Men are far more likely than women to be on the dating market: 61% of single men say they are currently looking for a relationship or dates, compared with 38% of single women.

The gender differences are heavily concentrated among older singles. While men and women younger than 40 are roughly equally likely to not be looking for a relationship or dates (33% and 39%, respectively), men and women 40 and older are very different. A majority of older women (71%) say they aren’t looking to date right now, compared with 42% of men 40 and older.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/

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An aspect of the "women like assholes" debate that women (and some guys tbf) constantly miss. Nobody Is universally "an asshole" or "not an asshole". A lot of guys can be/are nice to some people while being a dick to others.

A lot of nerdy guys fall into the "girls like assholes" way of thinking NOT because the guys women like are abusive to women, but because the nerds themselves have been the bullying victims of these guys and have been on the receiving end of their asshole behavior. If you see that the men who tend to do well with women are the guys that used to/still bully you, you are going to think that women prefer assholes.

Meanwhile, women tend to fall into the trap of "If he's nice to me and the people important to me then he's obviously a good guy, not an asshole."

The part that both the nerdy guys and women miss is that the nerds are completely invisible to women, and therefore so are the ways that a lot of the younger, more alpha guys they're into treat them. Women couldn't care less that these guys treat low value males like shit, and often it's even a bonus.

Now, onto unpopular opinion time. I think an aspect of masculinity that women find sexually attractive does require men to be a dick to lower value men. This behavior is one of a few that signifies that these guys are at/near the top of the food chain, and those are the men most women want to be with.

TL;DR- Asshole doesn't always men "treats women like shit". Often means "treats ME like shit".

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A lot of nerdy guys fall into the "girls like assholes" way of thinking NOT because the guys women like are abusive to women, but because the nerds themselves have been the bullying victims of these guys and have been on the receiving end of their asshole behavior.

A lot of guys fall into the "girls like assholes" way of thinking because we suddenly got more attention when we acted like an asshole.

Now, onto unpopular opinion time. I think an aspect of masculinity that women find sexually attractive does require men to be a dick to lower value men. This behavior is one of a few that signifies that these guys are at/near the top of the food chain, and those are the men most women want to be with.

Bullies are rarely at the top of the food chain. You don't need a big bark if you have a big bite. In this regard, even if women desire the men at the top, they are horrible in discerning it.

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These are common reason for liking tall men, but I think it's all just justifying one's preferences, not real reasons.

Oh they'll outright say in their profiles, be 6'2 or else bug off. And then there's a heaping ton of this, too.

And women don't approach nor because they're just afraid, they also often don't want to be seen "easy" or get used for sex. Not sure about the US, but in Russia girls are taught not to make the first move and to be pretty passive in dating overall. That's not neurosis, it's learnt behavior.

It's all of the above, and lack of confidence/fear of rejection is not the only reason but one of the big ones along with the patriarchal anti-slut idiocy. When it comes to the anti-slut bullshit and men shooting themselves in the foot with this hypocrisy, well the US and Russia are quite alike.

If a guy or a girl starts unloading all their problems on a possible future partner, what the hell will happen when they actually start daring?

We men have to be aware of the woman's emotional triggers and past trauma and be empathetic about that from the get-go. Around here women will unload big stuff on a man Day 1, I had to put up with being that "first ear you've found" a lot myself. Ever notice when a woman is really harsh as fuck on her date, like cutting him no slack for minor shit that even other women can't believe she dinged him for? It's because of her neuroses and previous bad run-ins with abusive or neglectful Chads. Men who similarly take out their issues with women on other women... well you see what happens to them.

And not to mention male friends have to hear about her latest evil boyfriend. We men don't have that luxury in any way. Dealing with my crazy girlfriend and her insanity was something I had to keep to myself. And don't even get into battered men, they don't discuss it at all because American women laugh at them about it.

Like I said... not for the faint of heart.

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When men talk about required height the numbers seem to get higher and higher. And yes, shitty people are everywhere and it's easy to find similar comments from men to women. Nothing new here.

Moreover, women usually just don't have to approach. Why bother if the other party is supposed to make all the work? I do think that we should change this attitude.

Sorry for your experience. Can't really comment it as I'm not from the US and I can't take just your word for it. In Russia men stereotypically don't bother with, well, listening. And they're completely comfortable with discussing their crazy exes. Domestic violence is hidden though, as it is shameful for them to admit they got hurt by a woman.

I don't think that one TV program can speak for all women out there, but this example is just horrible. People should take seriously victims of any gender.

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When men talk about required height the numbers seem to get higher and higher.

There is that. My experience says 6' but they're up to saying women won't date men below 6'2 now that's outrageous.

And yes, shitty people are everywhere and it's easy to find similar comments from men to women. Nothing new here.

Fat shaming is utterly gross. Their obsession with looks over personality is their constant downfall.

In Russia men stereotypically don't bother with, well, listening.

Yes both men and women are part of the problem.

Domestic violence is hidden though, as it is shameful for them to admit they got hurt by a woman.

Patriarchal norms and feminist misandry are both causes for why that's prevalent in the US. The Duluth Model of Domestic Violence, the guidebook for DV law in the US written by American feminist activists and researchers, specifically defines women's violence against men as a trivial issue.

I don't think that one TV program can speak for all women out there, but this example is just horrible.

It's not just one tv program. We can't even hold a public forum for battered men without anti-male groups coming in and physically shutting it down.

I'm just glad that we don't have an administration kicking women in the teeth by selecting rapists and literal Handmaids (that was Barrett's actual title with her Catholic cult) to the Supreme Court. Now we can get back to fighting these issues without waging a political war on women.

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I really don't get the height fetishizing. In my experience most women are okay with men who are just a bit taller than they are.

I hope your court system will move past this model and all victims will get all compassion and justice their deserve.

That's just all terrible. People are able to any good idea turn into something that will hurt others.

To make things a bit lighter, I'll tell you a good news. We had MaleFest last year, where male issues were discussed. I think it's great. I suspect that a lot of men's rights activists didn't actually like it, because not only men's issues like short life expectancy or homophobia were discussed, but also the concept of consent (something that a lot of people of both genders really do struggle to understand), changes in masculinity etc. But anyway, can you imagine that here in Russia we actually had this kind of event? It's great.

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Jesus, i know this whole game. Why even play it? I'll give you a translation that explicitly shows beating women. You have 3 possible options:

but 80% of the time you'll say compare this to christianity with some unimportant line nobody talks about anymore in a fit of whataboutism, because that's an anti-USA postmodern stance that retards find some intellectual security in.

Then I'll have to say "You said '[islamic] religious scriptures don't encourage this' And ,just showed you an example that's wrong". I win the argument right at that moment, and the only thing left for me to do is stop you from switching the discussion over to some other topic like christianity or cultural differences, the men/women debate etc. in an attempt to reach a draw in the debate.

The other 15% of the time, if you're not a complete tard, you'll attack the translation, saying that other people interpret the word "beat" as "having a loving and thoughtful open discussion" or some other silly interpretation and ignores that the large part of the islamic world treats women like cattle. And we have a discussion over who gets to argue the interpretation. I still win, but it's messier and takes longer, only because i haven't had enough time yet to distill the killer argument on it. If i lost this point, it would be for the fact that i couldn't cut through your bullshit as fast as you could write it. Not that the point is convincing anyone.

the last option is, honestly i'm getting bored and i have zero faith this conversation is going to go anywhere interesting. Do the math, you're wrong, and predictably wrong.

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According to my friends from iraq yeah its a big issue. Most people used to just live with their family until they get a college degree->find a job and slowly branching off and this isnt sustainable anymore because

1)more people are moving from villages and rural areas to the city and these farmers and herders arent the Western type if you get what i mean, most of the time they are extremely poor and uneducated like alot of them cant read and have never been to school or anything like that(these are the people who usually end up in militias and terrorists groups/get smuggled as refugees and immigrants to the west and a good chunk of them end up committing crimes there)

2)the job market is garbage, there arent really any minimum wage jobs and even if there were youll find a foreigner filling(mostly immigrants from syria or Lebanon) so unless youre have med degree or a dentistry one or whatever other health related job/something related to producing oil you wont find a job

So most people have a parent or 2 with some chronic disease and lots of bills and no way to pay them so they try to get money by gambling on their lives

if youre a guy youll try to go to Europe or Turkey illegally and hope that you wont get deported so that you can send you money back to your family. this hurts the guys who stay because rich guys will have more access to women and thus inflate their standards

and if youre a girl youll sell yourself to the highest bidder and i dont really need to explain how this can cause an issue

This is the life of the lower class people and it isnt representative of everyone but the lower class is growing in numbers at a very rapid rate and some are even there and they dont even realise it yet (most iraqi zoomers and millennials)

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Some various, unrelated things that are pinging around my head:

Since I feel like I’m constantly defending FDS, let me offer up what I cannot stand about it - they’ve completely lost the concept of fun, enjoying life, of flirting. All the common sense girl game in the world is useless without that
I have been more productive today than I probably have been in months (not including work days - just personal stuff) - took the bf for a surprise lunch, did my weekly paperwork, washed all the linens in the house, went grocery shopping, prepped food for the week, planned out the gym for the week, worked on my routing, prepped and am marinating beef for homemade beef jerky, cooked dinner

Damn you, not drinking!

My Maine Coon is at the height of blowing her coat, and I swear to god, you can just see fur exploding from her as she simply lays still
I need a new mattress - my neck is killing me, it’s definitely time for one

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/r/whereareallthegoodmen is a rough subreddit.

We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the respect and courtesy that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.

In response to r/niceguys, this sub is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, and used-up vaginas.

Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a man's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of thinking he was entitled to sex just for being nice.

- copied directly from the side bar of that sub.

All I can say is yikes. That's quite a mission statement they got over there. Unironic references to the friend zone, women only date jerks, standard incel language down to AF/BB and the ol' CC. Its like a full Nice Guy^tm bingo card.

So basically we are talking about a subreddit that was created by people who felt personally attacked by /r/NiceGuys. So you have a subreddit for self identified Nice Guys, with the sole purpose of attacking and gaslighting women... so that they can show everyone how they are the good guys and its women's fault for rejecting them, and now they don't even want the women anymore. Its... nothing more than sour grapes.

And here you are, telling me that they might have exaggerated women putting height requirements in their dating profiles? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked! Who could have predicted this?!?

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There are dozen's of posts like that on PPD.

Show them then.

That I have yet to see.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagers/comments/lcvwax/no_valentines_no_gf_no_shit_im_just_lonely/

https://www.reddit.com/r/depression/comments/85iy77/almost_30_alone_no_career_no_friends_no/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_num_comments

There is a therapy group dedicated entirely towards helping incels and another one to help them get laid. You even had a nytimes writer Ross Douthat, Professor Jordan Peterson, and an economist Rob Hanson write sympathetically about incel issues. The entire incel movement was even started by a woman in the 90s who is interviewed saying she was motivated to do so after a male friend confessed his struggles with dating. She sympathized with him because as a bisexual woman she had the same experience.

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I just want to remind the audience about what Female Dating Strategy is all about. I told you for months that they lie about being loyal and good to their HVM. I warned you and warned you that they were intentionally misleading and that they are a fraud. And here is the proof from their own keyboards.

So yeah after you weed out all the guys you were never getting anywhere with anyway, the guys who want to keep seeing you are your real options. Make them wait for months. Really get to know them. Don’t put any labels on your relationship other than friends at this point and keep fucking your fwb on the side if you want. Keep it wholesome with your real prospects- just have fun with them but nothing sexual and honestly I wouldn’t even really kiss them much until you’ve known each other for months and are sure this is the guy you want a relationship and possibly marriage with.

Remember how they say they're not into casual sex? Welp. What makes you think they're going to be loyal to you in a relationship?

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So, no, the two aren’t getting the same treatment from TRP

Yes they are - if she fucks me I'll keep seeing her. Same treatment. Not fucking the dude is on her.

TRP doesn't believe in "good girls" anyway so they take her sign of reluctance before commitment at best as disinterest and at worst manipulation.

He can spin plates on the side, she just wants him to prove that he’s not going to treat her as a plate

This is a quasi-commitment IF he wants to actually date her. "Prove you can not have sex with others before I'll let you have sex with me". Meanwhile she can have FWBs but he can't? lol

Hiding behind the "he can do whatever he wants" doesn't remove the fact that she's looking for a quasi commitment before she even hints at the fact that there might be something there. Any dude worth his salt isn't going to pine over some girl who doesn't give him a lick of interest for months.

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Most men would break up with a woman if they found out she was putting out for other men while they were dating and didn't put out for him.

This is starting out a relationship very poorly. The FDS women are mistreating their partner right from the start and created something they have to lie about. Why would FDS even want to subject themselves to this? Knowing that they mistreated their partner at the beginning and having to hold up that lie while constantly for eternity while constantly being afraid of being found out is detrimental to their mental health unless they're a psychopath.

FDS women are doing it all wrong. They advocate lying to people they would want to be in a relationship with. TRP advocates lying to people who they wouldn't want to be in a relationship. Potential relationship partners obviously deserve better treatment than a plate.

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Searching within the comments, here's a reply from an FDS moderator to a counter-comment made:

Only a foolish woman would actually tell the guy she’s dating that she’s also fucking someone else, while she’s delaying sex with him. That would be a dumb strategy move. Male insecurity cannot handle that.

Also, lol based on your prior comments on reddit, you’re clearly a guy. A clearly jaded and borderline bitter guy that has commented and made a few posts on the MGTOW sub.

So unless you’re also gay, not only do you not have any “experience” dating men to be able to make the statement you just made, your MGTOW status and support for the MGTOW group, automatically puts you in the “not qualified to give women dating advice” category.

I’m even going to use you and this example as a cautionary tale for other women here. Ladies this, this is why we always tell you to never take dating or relationship advice from men. Online and IRL. Their primary focus is the male imperative and every bit of advice or suggestion they give you will be filtered through that and will be ultimately deceitful or at best, simply not helpful. You’ve been warned.

This bona fide FDS, folks.

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There's more:

https://www.removeddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/dkp0l4/make_him_wait_for_sex/

And that’s why we lie and don’t tell him. If he’s insecure enough to feel awful about us sleeping with someone else, then best not to tell him.

Another strategy to maximize female benefit 💯

And what if he finds out?

No. Why would he? You’re just friends at that point. He has no reason to expect you’d be celibate. He hasn’t offered or asked for a commitment or exclusivity at that point so why would he assume it? If he wants you all to himself he knows what to do.

Yeah, He's got no reason to expect a queen like her would be celibate.

But shouldn't you tell him "no sex until you commit and meanwhile I'm keeping my FWB"?

Nah, I wouldn’t tell him that intentionally. And you don’t even tell him. “No sex until you commit.” You say, “we’re getting to know each other to figure out if we’re compatible before we take the relationship any further.”

Before she takes the relationship further to sex...these are voyages of the starship enterprise...

And then finally someone posts that they are losing the battle against red pill, so they delete all the comments.

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Porn has been around long before sexlessness rose.

What caused the rise of incels is ,obviously, the biggest most radical change in the modern SMP.Social media and OLD. Hypergamy wasn't made to work in that magnitude and it goes haywire due to them. The top men in a pool of 50 aren't like the top men in a pool of 5000.Having a Chad catalogue at their pockets has elevated women's standards to unrealistic levels. Now ugly Betty is no longer content having a relationship with ugly Billy.

I know if I watch porn, my horniness temporarily goes away for a while. When I do no-fap, I get restless, more...agressive, become eager to meet women.

Thirst isn't good for a man's success with women.

Also, there are rising numbers of celibate women. I think someone the other day posted it was around 20% for 24 and under.

Sure but that's voluntary

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No offense, as a girl, people plow problems away FOR you. As a guy, people put problems in your way and then blame you for it.

the people that "plow problems away for me" or attempt to (who i do the same for), do not do it because i'm a girl. they do it because they love me (so, my friends and family). plenty of men have that too, it's called a support system. there are women who are loners just like there's men who are loners, but i understand that it's easier for women to build emotional connections/bonds and that more male loners exist. maybe men should redirect their efforts into building these support systems and attracting important platonic connections if they don't already have them. those are the people who will love and care about you. i also don't know what you mean by people putting problems in men's way and then blaming them for it.

Guys have a harder time here, and your lifestyle, is plainly to cushy to work for a guy. You take a lot for granted, and don't recognize it.

no i just have hope and wouldn't rag on a man for having hope and wholesome dreams like the man who answered the question legitimate-tap asked. of course i would encourage him, it's nice to see someone who wants that because i want the same. i don't take things for granted, i'm grateful for what i have

So your advice falls flat. It's wrong. I don't think you're gaslighting, i just think you're suffering from the dunning kruger effect.

not every man is the same or has the same outcomes. and yes i definitely was not gaslighting, i googled the dunning kruger effect and i'm guessing you mean i think that i know about the male experience but i fall short. the fact is i don't know what it's like to be a man, i only know what it's like to be a part of the communities i fall under (which overlap with a ton of men too). it's just not true that men don't have hope in finding love because i see it around me. sure it's not happening to every man, or every woman, but it's possible.

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it seems like you're conflicted. It seems like you agree with my interpretation but it bothers you, and you'd like to believe it's not true. No hard feelings miss, i'm not gonna hold it against you for having it on easy street.

plenty of men have that too, it's called a support system

heh

but i understand that it's easier for women to build emotional connections/bonds

We've spent decades campaigning to remove male spaces. i think you just imagine that you have skills when the truth is that you have a privilege you won't acknowledge and think it somehow a product of your own ability. You grapple with the notion's of Nimrod. One who wants credit for greatness, and doesn't care if it's really by his will at all. I hope you manage to look at that person you're afraid of. You can't improve until you're honest. Though i don't meet a lot of women who really want to improve at much of anything. Why do you think that is? Don't give me this equality between the sexes axiom to justify yourself because your self esteem feels on the line. Why do you think women don't try or improve or take things seriously? really?

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it seems like you're conflicted. It seems like you agree with my interpretation but it bothers you, and you'd like to believe it's not true. No hard feelings miss, i'm not gonna hold it against you for having it on easy street.

i don't agree with your interpretation. it's true for some women and some men. not all women and all men. you just made assumptions about me

heh

? men have friends and family

We've spent decades campaigning to remove male spaces.

there are still male spaces that exist on reddit even...

i think you just imagine that you have skills when the truth is that you have a privilege you won't acknowledge and think it somehow a product of your own ability.

what privilege do i have due to my gender that we were talking about? sure i can get sex more easily. but i don't because that's not what i want. obviously me having a decent enough family is not a product of my own ability, i was born into it (so, luck). men and women both are born into their situations. friends? not a product of my own "ability" necessarily but i definitely played a part in making them. i don't know what "skills" i'm imagining here according to you.

One who wants credit for greatness, and doesn't care if it's really by his will at all.

i don't want credit for anything 😐

I hope you manage to look at that person you're afraid of. You can't improve until you're honest. Though i don't meet a lot of women who really want to improve at much of anything. Why do you think that is? Don't give me this equality between the sexes axiom to justify yourself because your self esteem feels on the line. Why do you think women don't try or improve or take things seriously? really?

what are you talking about 😃

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Idk, like I said it's hard to compare especially after having sex for over a decade at this point. I don't like have a running list of best to worst orgasms in my mind. And when you're talking about sex with a partner it's hard to separate the orgasm in a vacuum from the sex.

Plus how good an orgasm is depends a lot on hormones and where I am in my cycle, what kind of mood I'm in, whether or not I'm drunk etc. So alone/with a guy isn't really the determining factor in quality most of the time.

At the end of the day there's no such thing as a bad orgasm and at a certain point it becomes difficult to say which good thing is the most good.

I guess I'd say there's less variation in masturbation orgasms because it's a pretty straightforward clinical process. So probably most of my best orgasms were with a partner.

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at the end of the day, when I feel like relaxin'

I whip out my phone and start stalkin' my exes

stalkin' my exes on the internet

yeah, if she's got a twitter, you know that I follow

and if she's got an insta, you know I got around her block

with my alternate accounts, yeah I got alternate accounts

and she didn't count on my alternate accounts

if you're my ex and you're listening to this

I promise you, it's not a threat

I'm just a curious little cat

and I'm gonna stalk you on the internet

I love to stalk you on the internet

I love to see you tryin' to impress all your friends

I love to stalk you on the internet

I love to judge the caliber of guy that you're with

I love to stalk you on the internet

it's so easy to do, it's practically effortless

and I love on your snapchat you've got gps

cause that way I know exactly where you is!

and I can stay far away from you but still I know exactly what you're up to

is it a healthy thing to do? no

but tell me you don't do it too

we all stalk our exes on the internet

it's the natural end to modern relationship

we all stalk our exes on the internet

maybe once maybe twice or every night before bed

we all stalk our exes on the internet and if you're shakin' your head, I think that you're full of shit

cause it's all right there on the internet

and god help you if you're trying to forget

no matter how far away I get

I'm really ever only just a few clicks

I'm gonna see everything you said

I see you when you're lonely and I see you talkin' shit

when I think of all the time that I spent

scrollin' through my phone sittin' up in bed

surely the lowest form of entertainment

it's like reality tv except it's all about my ex

I love your breakdowns

I love your fakeouts

I love your face when you get your breakouts

I track your mileage

your gingivitis and when your teeth rot I take a screenshot

I stalk my exes

woah!

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Leo Rising basically we get attention without needing to actually put effort into it, like getting attention is just a mode of being. I feel things about me that I wanna keep in just shines out in a way I don't always want it to.

that makes a lot of sense and does align w/ my experiences so far. people in my situation (i.e. depression that makes me push everyone away) should have been repelling people but instead i have people reaching out and am very grateful for it.

Tell me, whats the trick with winning over Leo placement women?

haha for me i definitely like when men pursue for one. i think that's something common for Leo placement women and definitely a way to win them over (most are probably at some level attracted to confidence)? but there's quite a few who chase what they want. i just can't though.

as for types, i like the man who's quiet, maybe even introverted, doesn't seek attention but something about his vibe is attractive and he gets the curious attention here and there wondering what he's about. so it's like the more introverted male version of the woman i tend to be in class or work environments i guess.

or i like the man who's sweet and goofy towards his friends, family, and significant other, but stoic/cold/basic levels of decency and respect to others i.e. you have to break a few walls to get there but once you're there it's like he's the most vulnerable and genuine and kind person ever.

Yh same, once I looked into aspects, houses and put it all together it was so illuminating, so much power to be gained when you really know your inner depths

definitely!! still learning/not the most knowledgeable, but it's so nice to talk about. i love Eastern spirituality as well.

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I can attempt to answer:

Women have apex fallacy bias. Thanks to 80:20 rule we know that atleast 80% of women get passed around one after the other by the 20% of super successful males when it comes to casual sex. And because women are single by choice because of their conscious (and unconscious) decision to continue riding the cock carousel for all of their 20's, they LITERALLY don't know any better.

If you look at this logically, you realize its pretty much statistically impossible for 80% of women to GET 20% of men. Its just so obvious to anybody with a functioning brain, right? But nope. Women are allowed to be irrational about their dating choices for some reason and for some reason they also blame ALL men for how 20% of men treat them.

Women don't want to answer that question because they are cowardly, timid and extremely risk averse when it comes to actually confront this issue... I mean, why bother dealing with a problem when you can just blame it all on men and enjoy short term consequences free life? In other words, R Kelly's song Bump and Grind initial verse is spot on. (Although I admit that song aged poorly today)

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Once you look beyond the obnoxious misogynistic tone, obvious LARPing etc etc you'll find the red pill is very useful advice to men.

Men are facing an identity crisis. Masculinity has been demonised to the point where men have become detached from what it means to be a man. Men are lost, and the red pill type advice aims to nurture that connection again.

You're far better off reading evolutionary psychology, Jungian philosophy, Machiavelli, Nietzsche that sort of thing, but the red pill will put you on the straight path.

Red pill is suppressed and demonised because knowledge is power. It's every man's responsibility to become a strong patriarch to a family of his own. The ruling class elite don't want you to know all this either, they'd rather you remain docile and asleep.

Any woman who disagrees with this simply is clueless to the essence of what it means to be a man.

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No I’ve put a lot of thought into it as I was raised a Christian and lived as one for almost 30 years. It was precisely the thoughts and the questions that led me to losing my faith. But it’s not something that you can be convinced of by someone else. Nothing I say or do is going to cause somebody else to stop believing, just as nothing you say or do could get me to believe. Which is why I don’t bother trying to convert people. It’s only when you ask yourself these questions and honestly ask yourself if the answers sound like horseshit, can you be certain what you actually believe. When I was a Christian, yes I believed anything my parents, pastors, or theologian had to say. From Noah’s ark to immaculate conceptions. Childhood indoctrination is real. Go ahead and work out the details of the Noah’s ark story in your head. Think about the logistics of something like that actually occurring.

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Ok this is the last reply to this comment, because I'm bored. Evidence is not based on our powers of observation alone. There are plenty of things that are impossible for Humans to observe on our own. But we have these highly specialized pieces of equipment that can do those observations for us. Example, ultraviolet light. UV light exists outside of the visible spectrum. We only detect it by instrumentation calibrated to see from about 100-400nm. We know it's there. Same for infrared, x-rays, gamma waves etc. So when you talk about "thinking about what you've been told" are you doing that with your religious beliefs? Or are you just regurgitating what some 2000 year old texts said? It seems to me that religion always lags way behind science. Heaven was on top of Mt. Olympus until people went up there and observed for themselves. Then heaven was up in the clouds, until people built hot air balloons and observed for themselves. Then was in outer space, until humans built spacecrafts and saw only the vaccuum. Heaven was on another planet, until we built high powered telescopes and started looking at other planets. Now heaven is in some alternate dimension or some shit. Keep in mind that you have no explanation for how any of this works yet you refuse any evidence of the contrary. Explain to me where heaven is and how do you know? Explain to me how you get there and how do you know? Explain to me how a soul works and how do you know? Explain to me the process of how an organism can do anything without a body? How are you praising god in heaven with no lungs to breath and no tongue to communicate without a body and how do you know? Explain to me the origins of your god and how do you know? Explain to me the mechanisms of how prayer works and how do you know? Explain to me the molecules involved in somebody thinking something in their head, that thought getting packaged up and send to an alternate dimension, all for some eternal being to receive that package, then send it back to have an effect on our planet? Explain to me how 25,000 species of freshwater fish and 400,000 species of land plants were saved from a supposed world-wide flood, and how do you know? Explain to me how a human can be born with only one parent's DNA and how do you know? Explain to me the mechanisms of resurrection and how do you know? Once you come up with these answers, you should realize that you are guessing based on nothing other than what makes you feel good. Your belief system lacks evidence and logic.

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You are assuming that the "life" in heaven operates in the same way as life on earth, when there is absolutely no reason to assume so. You can consider this passage.

18 And Sadducees came to him, who say that there is no resurrection. And they asked him a question, saying, 19 “Teacher, Moses wrote for us that if a man's brother dies and leaves a wife, but leaves no child, the man[e] must take the widow and raise up offspring for his brother. 20 There were seven brothers; the first took a wife, and when he died left no offspring. 21 And the second took her, and died, leaving no offspring. And the third likewise. 22 And the seven left no offspring. Last of all the woman also died. 23 In the resurrection, when they rise again, whose wife will she be? For the seven had her as wife.”

24 Jesus said to them, “Is this not the reason you are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God? 25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

I'm not religious, btw.

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That's a good question. I'm not sure "meaning" is a concept really pondered by Christianity. I think Christians would just say that relationships are part of God's design for life on earth.

God created Adam and Eve as companions, he created male and female animals as companions for each other, and he considered it "good" for them to bond and mate and have offspring. So certainly God wanted humans to have relationships with each other. Why he wanted that when it doesn't seem that those earthly relationships have any relevance in the eternal scheme of things, I don't know. That's just how he wanted it to be I guess. That's one of the toughest questions to wrestle with and honestly it's one of the reasons I ultimately became an atheist -- there's a lot of internal logical consistency to Christianity when you really study and learn the theology, and I think it's a beautiful religion, but when I ponder the creation story and the ultimate question of WHY God created all of this, I've never found an answer that satisfied me.

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I'm not religious but I'll answer for the faith I was raised in (Christian, Church of Christ).

There is no sex in heaven because we won't have physical bodies in heaven. There won't be "rejection" in heaven because we won't interact with each other in heaven like we do on earth and we won't be concerned about the same things.

Earthly families, marriages and friendships are just that, earthly. They won't matter in heaven because we will all be one in Christ. Your earthly spouse or parent or child won't be any more important to you in heaven than any other soul you encounter there. In heaven you join your spiritual family which supercedes earthly bonds. Your spouse is no longer your spouse, they're your brother or sister in Christ. Same with your parents or your children. Only the spiritual bonds with God and your brothers and sisters in Christ matter.

This is a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow because it means that some of your earthly loved ones may go to hell and you will be separated from them for all eternity. Won't you miss them? Won't you worry about them knowing they're in hell? The answer is no, because at that point they won't mean anything to you. Which sounds terrible but it's one of the things we're told is impossible to understand until we get there. We're just assured that there will be no pain, so sadness, no discomfort of any kind or longing for anything. Our souls will be satisfied and at peace forever.

Our faith doesn't believe that people go to heaven immediately after they die, so your wife or other loved ones won't get there "before" you. The dead now are all in the same place, a sort of spiritual waiting room, and no one will go to heaven or hell until Jesus returns to earth and performs the final judgment. So all of the faithful will go to heaven at the same time. (But again it doesn't really matter because your earthly wife won't mean anything to you; heaven is about your soul being reunited with God and made perfect, and that's the only relationship you will need).

There's no "forever alone" in heaven because you will be in the presence of God for all eternity. In fact, hell is literally forever alone - a soul eternally lost in the vastness of the universe, separated from God, suffering inescapable cosmic pain.

tl;dr none of this matters in heaven because our earthly bodies and earthly concepts of relationships won't exist there and will be replaced by spiritual bonds that we as humans in our present form have a limited capacity to understand. "The former things have passed away."

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Is there sex in heaven?

No

Is there rejection in heaven?

No

What happens if my wife dies, then I die 20 years later and when I get to heaven, she’s with another dude?

"Til death do us part." Marriage on earth doesn't transfer over to the afterlife.

Are wives bound to their husbands for all eternity?

No, see above

Do women have orgasms in heaven?

We won't even have physical bodies in heaven. Orgasm with the one you love is sometimes said to be the closest one can get to what heaven feels like. Being in heaven itself is supposedly even better.

Forever alone on earth equals forever alone in heaven?

Four loves: agape (unconditional, perfect love), eros (sexual/romantic love), philia (love between friends), storge (love between family). The last three are important to us on earth, but think of heaven as a giant community of souls bound by agape. No one would be a stranger or an outcast, no one would "belong" to anyone else. Just a bunch of people who know and care about each other equally and don't have to experience longing anymore.

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Love without the sex, friendships, and family doesn't seem like love to me.

This is natural, agape is referred to as "divine love" for a reason. It's love for its own sake, whereas humans tend to think of love in terms of cause and effect. We bond with people for a reason, whether that be attraction, shared experience, shared interests, parentage, etc. In heaven we won't need a "reason" to love each other.

And when religious people say they don't fear death because they will be reunited with loved ones, based on your explanation those loved ones won't be important to them when they get to heaven.

No, everyone will be important to each other. It's kind of like how having additional children (hopefully) wouldn't negate what a mother feels for her previous ones. Agape is the perfection of the other three loves, not the negation of them.

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I don't think so. My H told me couldn't go all the way in with some women and sex just ended up being uncomfortable. Given that vaginas come in different depths I think it's entirely possible some women can't anatomically handle a big dick and would prefer average.

Can confirm. My first bf who I lost my virginity to was also the biggest guy I've been with. He wasn't insanely big or anything, but bigger than average. We were together for two years and sex with him was never comfortable. We found positions and techniques that worked for us, but he could very easily hurt me by accident so we always had to go slow, be careful that he didn't go too deep etc. I've never really had that problem with anyone else, and I much prefer it when a guy can go all the way in without hurting me. It makes it a lot easier to lose yourself and get into it when you're not focused on trying not to go too hard or deep.

Also, I learned recently that my uterus sits low and thus my cervix hangs lower than most women's, which I'm sure contributed to the awkward fit with a bigger guy.

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Yeah women i know IRL have been making this point too, but in side convos and group chats. No one seems to want to make this claim aloud. I get the harm and despair he’s caused to the Asian community because this attack was so targeted. So the compulsion to want to say this is purely a racism issue and wipe hands clean is tempting.

But it’s very clearly a male sexual entitlement/ male violence / male malsocialization issue.

My friend suggested that to “good guy” men, focusing on the race aspect makes it easier for all those men to rally against this particular murderer.

If you highlight that all of these murderers are men and that many of them were driven by this rage they felt because they had abysmal romantic lives... well that actually feels relatable to a lot of men, if not most men. And that’s a truth not many ppl want to grapple in daylight.

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disillusioned. the casual sex scene means women are having sex with non-Chads too. average or slightly above average men with game at parties where everyone's drunk get decent play too. it's actually a decent bit about game, confidence, personality, and reputation.

some women legitimately just want sex, even with men they perceive as "better". or he could be great looking, better looking, and she doesn't give a fuck because he's insufferable, but she wants to get dicked down and has heard he's good or assumes so because of how he looks. that's basically it. i know women who "spin plates" too b/c they don't want relationships. they can have some men ice them out and others dick them down and move on. this is all part of the "ho phase" (or just being young for some), a variety of sex but really doesn't necessarily mean you want a relationship with them.

normally, some of these encounters also develop into full blown LTRs in the midst with people who just genuinely like to be with each other outside the sex.

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but this is not a hard fast rule. first, it's really not just the better looking guys who get casual sex, and second, it's not the uglier girls who have a monopoly over it too. this is why that sounded disillusioned, what you are describing doesn't sound modern.

i think you're either overrating some men, underrating some women, or, most likely, overrating the emotional feelings of women overall (like even if a man is better than a woman -- that does not mean she wants a relationship with him. if she came to get fucked that's primarily what she came for, no one is wanting a relationship with some decent looking dude they barely know who just flirted to get what they both want).

i mean you know yourself a lot of it is about how you can talk your way in and one night stands/hook-ups, or even a short series of hook-ups with that person. are just as popular if not more as fwb style relationships. women usually aren't expecting more than sex.

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When that wapo sexlessness chart was reposed down-thread someone in the twitter comments mentioned it correlates perfectly with the rise of social media. And for some reason that got me thinking that... social media is all about bubbles. And particularly for the young'uns socialization has moved significantly online. My daughters all have this innate desire to social media and I just don't. They are constantly online with their female cousins and classmate. The boys aren't there. Like not at all. It could be their ages. Or maybe this is how the bubbles form. I much rather socialize IRL and I hate online (I do like anonymous/pseudonymous online, but not actual people I know). I wonder if that's gendered.

But and here's the mechanistic speculation: if the girls have all moved online and the boys haven't (or rather if things are gender segregated online) then that could actually explain a lot of the decline. Just from the economics you would expect the fewer males that are natives in the "normie" female online spaces to make a killing.

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Incels on incels.co and incels on Reddit aren't the same people. Some use both, but those are very few.

There are incels who are horrible, like ones on .co. And there are just edgy young guys who can't get women.

If you think being involuntarily celibate has nothing to do with bad looks or being short, you're mistaken completely.

Are there lots of "incels" who are just insecure, antisocial or introverted guys who simply lack knowledge on how to court women? Yes. But many men experience inceldom if they're not 7/10 or higher. However, being a full blown incel is a whole nother thing. And there are men who truly can't get women because they're too short or not good looking.

But that necessitates that blue pillers aren't in control of the forum, because they need to pretend like everything other than them is an aberration of the their true feminist utopia where they get worshiped all day for being "nice".

Some call me bluepilled and yet I don't think that by just being nice to women will get you laid. I also don't think women are plates to be spun, like some redpiller.

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If you think being involuntarily celibate has nothing to do with bad looks or being short, you're mistaken completely.

i didn't mean getting them dates (though it might help a little) i just mean getting them to behave in less extreme ways. Frustrated men with too much time on their hands and untapped potential is historically a problem. So solving that problem just means integrating with them before they pop like a blister. I'd rather negotiate and integrate with an unhappy sixth of the population rather than enter a further divisive situation. Fixing their problems for them isn't my job, but giving them a place to negotiate and converse and integrate is something that would likely improve their mental health and everyone's ability to resolve things amicably.

I also don't think women are plates to be spun, like some redpiller.

i don't give a shit, put it on your resume.

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well i can personally guarantee it's exceptionally easy to make a bot. A single person alone can do it. I mean this comment you just replied to has negative scores for a simple question, on a sub that explicitly doesn't allow downvotes, but other times it was at 5. It seems strange to imagine 7 people came out of the wood work and explicitly tried to lower the score for a question like that.

Think more how it allows you to curb and control forum behavior. I mean if anyone can do it with zero funding, i imagine lots of them exist trying to tip the scales for very petty reasons. I remember when the downvoting on this sub was really bad, considering to offer making a bot that would just mass upvote anything with a negative score for the mods on here since they thought it was an aberration of the intended behavior of the forum, and i agreed.

I never did end up offering to code them anything. I think i remember finding out they had other people who could handle it if they needed, and so left it to them.

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Weekly Community Chat Megathread

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1. Franklin, MA

2. Long Beach, NY

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Bazinga

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