Expecting for men to pay for your first date sets a bad precedent for the relationship

Fan_Service_3703 · 2024-12-22T13:43:43+00:00

I would expect a first date (which is usually coffee or an inexpensive activity like bowling/ping pong/pool etc) to be split. At that point there is no investment from either party and the whole intention is to investigate attraction and personality/lifestyle compatibility. I wouldn't pursue a relationship with someone who didn't split.

Regardless of who did the asking, both parties chose to attend the event by their own free will. If both wanted to be there then they both should split.

flipsidetroll · 2024-12-22T16:58:17+00:00

I can’t believe people still get their panties in a bunch over this. Just pay for yourselves. If he offers, say thank you. If he doesn’t, no one is out of pocket, and it’s no reflection of his character because there is no relationship yet. It’s really stupid to think a man is mean just because he’s not paying for a stranger.

Between this, and arguing over housework, I wonder how people sort out real conflicts.

Suspicious_Glove7365 · 2024-12-22T14:59:01+00:00

First dates should be split. Then there is no obligation for either party to make a decision based on money. However it has to be a place that both parties can afford.

If you don’t like women who expect the man to pay, don’t date them.

beastmaster · 2024-12-22T18:17:37+00:00

I’ve seen a lot of women say “You asked her out so you pay” and it logically doesn’t make sense if you want equality.

You answered your own question right there, you just aren’t thinking carefully.

waffleznstuff30 · 2024-12-22T17:19:08+00:00

It's not an expectation but a perk if that makes sense. I go into a first date full well expecting to cover my own things. I usually want a first date to be grabbing a drink and just conversing with this person. Something low effort because if the vibe isn't there it would be rude to leave in the middle of dinner. Dinner is too formal and sets too high of an expectation.

Drinks are fun inexpensive and fairly casual while you are gathering information about this person. And I can cover my two drinks. But it's sweet if they cover mine and I appreciate it.

EetinAintCheetin · 2024-12-22T13:32:58+00:00

You are coming at this from the frame of believing that you HAVE to take the woman out on an expensive, traditional date. Despite what she may or may not demand or, probably more accurately, what YOU think she may or may not demand, the person who asks out is the decision maker. You can choose to enter her reality OR you can invite her into yours. You are more than welcome to try and get women in the society approved way of trying to impress them with expensive dates. If you impress her enough, she will probably end up with you.

OR you can play by your own rules and have whatever dates you want to have. I know the concept of free choice is difficult for you guys to grasp, but hear me out. YOU ARE FREE TO DO WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO DO.

I’ve fucked women after buying them one drink. I’ve fucked women without ever buying them anything, just inviting them over to my house. Women want you, not the date or the money you spend on them. So act like it. If you don’t believe you deserve a woman to like you for you, then you have some soul searching and inner work to do.

Left-Ad3578 · 2024-12-22T14:48:29+00:00

This may be unpopular I think, but here goes: I always pay, for everything. And I gift generously too. The money is not an issue, and I would rather put high effort in than low effort.

Maybe think, “what kinds of girls do I attract?” and “who am I attracted to?” The answers to these questions usually clears up what you should be doing. (And also: “Is what I desire good for me?” - if you’re really feeling like a deep dive…)

In my case it began as behaviour to conform to gender norms, but as per the above paragraph, it ultimately became that the kinds of girls I’m into would expect to be paid for.

Because everyone really just wants to know what the “correct” behaviour is, it’s that: how you behave should on some level align with who you’re in to/is in to you.

catdog8020 · 2024-12-22T18:47:07+00:00

I am a millennial so i dated back in the good ole days when women were normal and actually liked average men. You could actually go to a bar and a women didn’t play games - they actually liked men and the women didn’t like shrimp tacos as much. It was amazing the women could only compare you with the other men in the bar and in their home town and not mr. Chad from another state or city.

Nowadays, I think what goes on is that men get sick of going on 20 dates out of the year on dating job interviews where women are assessing for green and red flags because woman have a shit load of options and they will reject most men because there is always a better one around the corner. Hoeflation and hypergamy on steroids and all women think their a goddess. (Men need to realize that women are really insecure and try to act like they are goddess when their not).

This leads men to feel used and not valued for who they are a person. It’s makes them feel it’s a waste of money and time. Men are not willing to waste their money on dates with women who are essentially not interested. Therefore, the need to go Dutch (and the Dutch actually do this - they go 50-50 on dates).

Chivalry and traditional romance is dead and feminism, OLD and social media killed it.

MasterAd6260 · 2024-12-22T13:27:14+00:00

It is funny to me how men in this forum are so against paying for their gf or dates.

Whereas in the passportbros community, they’ll say that men only don’t provide if their gf is ugly.

Ask_For_Cock_Pics · 2024-12-23T09:37:36+00:00

women don't actually want equality. Him paying for the date is exactly the kind of president they want to set

LillthOfBabylon · 2024-12-22T14:34:59+00:00

I think you guys are over complicating this. If you don’t want her, leave. Make it very clear that you wanna do 50-50 splits and just date women who are fine with 50-50 splits.

People want their cake and eat it too, that’s not new. Men do that bullshit too, when it comes to dating and sex. Is your choice whether or not you’ll put up with it.

uglysaladisugly · 2024-12-22T17:34:57+00:00

Yep. The best is to go on non expensive date.

Where I am it would be super weird to invite a first date to a restaurant or something... go for a few drinks. Pay yours or the first round then the other pays for the second one, easy... chill... you are there to meet someone, not to show off your financial power.

KittyCatKnight · 2024-12-22T18:23:43+00:00

This isn't hard and can be absolutely utilized to make the dating game clearer. If you want to have a second date, let the man pay because he'd be willing to as there's a future. If you're not sure or absolutely sure you won't have a second date, split the bill.

If a woman claims, "You asked, so you pay" you need to utterly swerve away from that red flag. She knows the gender dynamic when it comes to dates, she knows that there's more societal pressure for men to be the ones to ask for dates, and she's weaponizing this cultural norm to extract as much benefits at your expense as possible, and this is a character flaw you should expect to be demonstrated in many aspects of life if you ever got in to a relationship with them.

Friedrich_Friedson · 2024-12-22T22:23:11+00:00

where tf you live where is so adamantly expected that men pay?

like,not only is here in catalonia not expected for the man to pay, if a man offers and insists on paying it will be seen as a big red flag lol

TSquaredRecovers · 2024-12-23T00:27:14+00:00

Yeah, I can agree with this.

LectureTrue4216 · 2024-12-23T05:47:19+00:00

Dates are mutual and relationships aren’t based on a financial transaction. There’s no reason one person(man) should have to pay for both. Most first dates don’t even go anywhere

BluePillUprising · 2024-12-23T10:47:43+00:00

When I was single I avoided this problem by having sex with friends.

Mountain_Sand3135 · 2024-12-23T15:20:31+00:00

The only thing i do not understand is .... since men put out ALL the initial effort what do women exert of equal value in this endeavor ? This inequality also is found to who buys the rings (women rarely do so lets not quote that) all the traditional behaviors are all on the man. What traditional factors do women follow??? Any??

again women want CONDITIONAL equality not the true sense of the word

Open-Quail-2573 · 2024-12-23T18:01:01+00:00

This whole topic is boring at this point. Anyway, my conclusion is ladies say that they want "equality" but actually most of them low-key love that princess treatment (even the woke or girl boss) ones because that's what I have seen irl.

EricAllonde · 2024-12-22T23:39:04+00:00

Quality men want a partner, not a parasite. If she’s entitled enough to always expect him to pay, she’s not the one.

Tweezers666 · 2024-12-22T16:18:57+00:00

Men these days are weak and feminine. Courtship is biology.

alwaysright0 · 2024-12-22T13:30:17+00:00

I dont get the objection to paying.

Ive paid for friends meals before. I'd pay for a dates.

leosandlattes · 2024-12-22T14:41:06+00:00

It’s not a bad precedent if I am looking for a masculine man who is prepared to lead and be decisive and generous. Although that is really only about the gesture of paying - I have split the bill after the gesture or gotten us coffee/dessert/something else after if he was really insistent on paying.

I’ll repeat what I have always said: there is no such thing as equality within a relationship. It doesn’t exist. It’s impossible to maintain balance irrespective of who pays on your first date. It guarantees nothing.

indigo_pirate · 2024-12-22T13:50:25+00:00

What I did. Was pay for first but then expect second or at least parts of it to be paid for by her

Imaginary_BeachTea · 2024-12-22T17:24:19+00:00

The idea is “you [the male] want me [the female] more than I want you, therefore you pay”

Correct.

You have failed the examination for physical attractiveness so now you’re forced to compensate with financial security and commitment.

The men she’s actually attracted to just get to have sex with her without an ounce of monetary or emotional investment and are free to exit and re-enter her life whenever they so choose.

Gravel_Roads · 2024-12-22T13:53:18+00:00

The only precedent "paying for a date" sets is "paying for dates". Though I agree that if you don't want to pay for your partner to go on a date with you, you definitely shouldnt' offer, because the women who agree to it are definitely going to think you're doing it for your own pleasure.

You don't have to pay for anything at all, tho. I'm pretty poor, so I would never take a date out to a expensive restaurant. I tend to go down to the waterfront, play at the beach, or go for a hike in the mountains. (It does help to pack a snack and some towels, tho!)

Heujei628 · 2024-12-22T15:16:43+00:00

Hmmm in my experience, if a man asks to split, he’s not that into you and doesn’t really find you attractive. Like I’ve dated poor men who would scrape what little they had just to show me a good time and cover the bill.

So if poor men are willing to sacrifice the little they have then a man who’s not poor asking you to split very likely not attracted to you.

Like I have trouble believing that if a man got to date a prime Adriana Lima/Beyonce/Margot Robbie/Lucy Liu lookalike, that they would make them split the bill. lol that’s just not happening.

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mumblebumblegrumble · 2024-12-23T06:39:21+00:00

Why go on dates like this at all then? When your friends go out, join them and get to know the person that way. There's no pressure to pay for men and no one on one pressure for women to have sex before they're ready because others are there.

Sophiatab · 2024-12-23T17:04:44+00:00

If you’re looking for a life partner in a monogamous, symmetrical relationship, it doesn’t make sense to start off with one person putting in more effort than the other by investing more money.

I agree; therefore, men should pay fifty percent of the cost of their date's clothing and accessories, make-up, hair styling, beauty regime, and all other incidentals required for her to appear and perform the feminine routines that matter so damn much to men in dating. Until men start doing that, they should STFU about the minor cost of a entertainment for a date. They are getting a bargain with only the entertainment and refreshment cost. And quite frankly for 99,9% of all men would never get the opportunity to even be in the company of women without the incentive of free food and opportunity to be entertained (though most men fail badly at the entertainment part).

I don’t mind paying for my boss dinner if we go out, because he will remember the kind gesture, and give me an easier workload, a promotion etc.

Then you certainly shouldn't mind paying for your date's dinner. She will remember the gesture and may give you another date.

AreOut · 2024-12-22T13:27:24+00:00

it's really a miscellaneous thing, paying is a nice gesture from the gentleman and that's it

ThatBitchA · 2024-12-22T16:05:37+00:00

I won't pay for my boss's dinner. My boss can pay for mine. The boss is paid more.

I only dated men who paid for the first dates. And it always set up a really good foundation for a relationship. I've had several relationships, and paying on the first date was never the reason a relationship ended.

It set up a foundation of respect where we both put in effort to treat the other well.

My fiancé paid for our first several dates. He still puts the card down when we go out to eat, even though it's a joint account now. 🤷‍♂️

If you don't want to pay for dates, don't. But there's plenty of men who will.

LevelCaterpillar1830 · 2024-12-22T13:44:15+00:00

Sometimes that's just life, especially as a man.

Most men are downright worthless and easily replacable in women's eyes, so to participate in this uphill battle they often have to make compromises by compensating to get any access to love/romance/reproductive success/affection etc.

It can be money, it can be leveraging your status, it can be emotional pampering and pseudo-therapeutic services. It can be many things, and it depends on what the specific demand from the specific date is.

The reality is, whoever has an easier time either replacing their partner or a better time tolerating loneliness gets to win the power imbalance, and are often the one to receive more efforts and investments.

Sometimes the one "holding the keys to the castle" doesn't even demand anything directly, their date just instinctively realizes they are worse so they begin over-compensating and putting in effort.

Such is life, usually. The uglier you are, the more you have to put on the table; the more "exotic" other people's demands will get.

Ok-Dust-4156 · 2024-12-22T15:21:42+00:00

You have a choice not to go on expensive first date. If girl has a problem with it then she just filtered herself out.

Xboxhuegg · 2024-12-22T16:32:58+00:00

It's coffee and a short walk back to my place, then smash. Lol @ you goobers going on elaborate dates with these chicks that put out within 1.5 hours of meeting. LMFAO

kalashhhhhhhh · 2024-12-22T23:36:49+00:00

It's just a cultural difference. If a friend asks you out, here you can reasonably expect them to pay. The next time you invite them and you pay.

BrainMarshal · 2024-12-22T18:06:00+00:00

Quit yelling at women about this, OP. Just stipulate "split the bill" in your dating profile and let the parasites pass you by. Stop giving a fuck.

Tylikcat · 2024-12-22T18:50:58+00:00

I don't let guys pay for dates because it throws off the power dynamics - and a lot of men take it as a down payment on sex, and just no. (I will sleep with someone because I want to sleep with them, not because they paid for my baked ziti.)

But truth be told, a lot of women figure that men who won't pay for a date are losers or unserious. My position is less common.

RunAgreeable7905 · 2024-12-23T20:22:50+00:00

Of course it's unequal. One of you decided to ask the other one of you out. That's inherently not an equal situation until you get to know each other better and feel equal desire. Duh.

Women generally prefer men found through social circles. Then we can play a delicate game of escalating indicators of interest and be at very similar levels of attraction by the time of the first date. But y'know...sometimes a guy asks even though you don't know him and sometimes you're curious. And obviously you don't want to have to pay to sit through a meal with a stranger you're only a small amount interested in and might turn out to be a massive pile of shit. So y'know it's expect him to pay for the meal or just say no.

Personally I think there should be a lot more just saying no to men who ask you on a date. Make them actually have time consuming complicated social lives to get sex. Good way to avoid coomers and gaming addicts.

Sander_Supporter · 2024-12-24T05:47:32+00:00

Most relationships are asymmetrical, at least in the early stages. Men pay for first dates so they don’t lose the girl to someone who’s also willing to pay. Sucks, but that’s life.

YveisGrey · 2024-12-24T16:29:37+00:00

Nah men should pay and very few people want equality in a romantic relationship. Women in relationships with men want to be treated special now like an equal. And before you argue it’s not fair it is because women bring more to the table and risk more when dealing with a man than vice versa.

LostWanderer88 · 2024-12-24T18:36:21+00:00

My idea is:

- Everyone pays their own stuff the first dates, unless you really want to invite (usually to cheap stuff. Nothing too crazy)

- Once the relationship is going for a couple of weeks or more, and she's special, you should consider giving a gift or two, as a gesture

- In LTRs, there should be gifts and special attention to important dates

But never gift too often

Different_Cress7369 · 2024-12-25T03:18:35+00:00

Who the fuck pays for dates these days?

ConstantCode8637 · 2024-12-22T17:59:43+00:00

I do not agree. Personally, I've never been on a date where I had to pay because the men I've been on dates with always asked me out as a treat.

Also, why are women demonized for "expecting" their date to pay when many guys are equally choosing to pay? It is his right to choose, and it is her right to accept. That's equality.

I do not agree that this method sets a bad tone for a relationship. You are strictly seeing things as equality coming from everything being slit all the time. Relationships are about having empathy, and showing you value the other person.

It's a very positive gesture when a man treats a woman to a date, and has no ulterior motives for after the date, but rather to show he values this womans attention and believes she is worthy of him time. What makes you think women don't treat their boyfriends and husbands to things as well. I know many girls who take their companions out to watch their fave team play, or buy them a new shirt

And the woman doesn't complain that it should be split, or that he owes her. A dinner date is just a treat, when men are with the right women, they are also treated by her.

PracticalControl2179 · 2024-12-22T17:43:26+00:00

Yes. I want a precedent for a relationship where the guy is a provider. I want to eventually be a stay at home mom.

mobjack · 2024-12-22T13:33:31+00:00

It doesn't set a precedent because relationships usually evolve to 50 50 after a few dates.

Existing-Bug-7910 · 2024-12-22T14:04:19+00:00

An equal relationship doesn’t mean splitting every bill 50/50. To me, it means that both partners contribute based on what they can at the time. Sometimes that means he pays for the date, and next time I pay. Or if I’m earning more, I’m totally happy to cover more of the costs. I think it shows bad character in a relationship if someone insists on splitting everything all the time. Life doesn’t work like that it’s unrealistic. Relationships should be about supporting each other, not keeping score.

No_Researcher_9726 · 2024-12-22T22:32:19+00:00

How about just having a first date that doesn't cost money? Ex: Walk in the park, coffee shop, museum.

Kat_ri · 2024-12-23T00:56:21+00:00

Expecting a guy to pay on the first date is exactly setting a precedent for the relationship. Some people want to continue that dynamic for the duration of their relationship so figuring that out on a first date makes sense.

RoseyButterflies · 2024-12-23T07:25:56+00:00

I'd expect the man to pay. He would be paying in the relationship anyway so it sets a realistic precent 😂

S0yslut · 2024-12-23T10:26:00+00:00

You can want whatever dynamic you want, I support your decision even if I wouldn’t date someone who splits a bill. But if I am expected to cook at my place, do you random favors like laundry and/or organize your apartment then I expect provision. I won’t go on a second date with a man who doesn’t pay, and if all men stopped paying. I would just respond by not doing any of the things I do for my husband for them. If you set up the expectation that I am to take care of myself then you take care of yourself. The problem becomes when men don’t want to pay they still want all the benefits of having a “SAHW.”

OwnedIGN · 2024-12-23T10:52:58+00:00

I am a classic man, so I pay. Typically, if a girl is feeling you, she’ll run the sex after. I don’t know what’s going on in the streets these days, but that’s the way it used to be.

SayuriKitsune · 2024-12-23T12:08:34+00:00

I wouldn't expect it, but it shows appreciation. I have also paid for the entire date if I enjoyed it. No problem in treating someone that I enjoyed the company. There's a lot of stingy people..

Jake0024 · 2024-12-23T16:31:44+00:00

I used to think this way, but I've realized it's extremely reductive. I live in an expensive city, and am very comfortable. If I go on a date with a teacher or a nurse etc, that date could be a big stress on their budget. Especially if I pick a nice place or we want to go somewhere for drinks after dinner etc.

I'm not interested in adding stress to my date's life, or having them decline drinks because the dinner was already too expensive.

But I have the money for that, $40 extra is not impacting my life. If that's not the case for you, you shouldn't be straining your budget to pay for your half of a date and also theirs. I stopped minding because it's generally easier for me to afford than it is for them.

And this makes sense--if I want to date someone long-term, move in together, etc, and I want to go to Paris on a whim, and she's a schoolteacher, I'm going to have to pay for most of her trip. That's just a fact of life, she can't probably afford it (at least not easily). I either go by myself, don't go at all, or I pay for both of us. If this is someone I want to be with, I'm happy to pay when she can't. If I make 5x more than her, it's silly to ask her to pay for half of our dinner, hotel, etc.

There are lots of cheaper (coffee) and free (walk through a park) date ideas that are lots of fun and no one has to stress about money. I wish going to a zoo or museum (usually under $10/ea) were more common dates.

All that said, if a woman demands fine dining ($50+ without drinks) on a first date, that's throwing red flags. If she has a good job and that's just what she likes, okay, could be fun, but I'm going to ask if she thinks that's a typical first date and expects a guy to pick up that kind of tab regularly.

mikush85 · 2024-12-23T17:12:23+00:00

OP has clearly never never cohabitated with a male.

Why do you care what other people's preferences are. Women can do whatever the F they want to. If they don't want to go 50/50 they don't have to. And if that's a problem for a man, he doesn't have to deal with her.

G4M35 · 2024-12-22T15:13:32+00:00

Bad for the men who disagree but put up with (their fault IMO), not for the women who want to set that precedent.

Source: I am a guy, happily married now, but when I was single I happily paid for first dated with potential FWBs, ONSs, Casual dating (if any); but I prefer to go Dutch the few times I was dating "traditionally.".

DankuTwo · 2024-12-22T18:43:24+00:00

Meh, I like paying for a first date. A woman Th at allows you to pay on the first date is showing a sign of submission. When they aggressively try to split the bill….that’s when you know she’s not that into you.

GuyInTenn · 2024-12-22T19:03:13+00:00

When you've been married 33 years as I was you learn there are a lot of kinds of equality in a relationship and things aren't always even-steven. It comes and it goes. It ebbs and it flows. You don't count it up at the end like an accounting ledger.

A man offering to pay for the date is no big deal in the grand scheme of things. It's just a simple nod to romantic chivalry ... not "toxic masculinity." (and for those women who might choose to phrase it that way, well ... there won't be a second date and don't let the door hit ya in your pretty little tush on the way out 😄)

monsterbootylover · 2024-12-22T21:44:05+00:00

I can't find the source but I'm certain in one of the "foundational" evopsych readings TRP appropriates, it was stated that women are primarily are attracted to display of resources and status.

Without one needing to endorse or condemn this, it would seem self-sabbotaging for someone subscribing to TRP to challenge one of its core beliefs.

Xeltar · 2024-12-22T21:58:14+00:00

This to me is always such a nothing burger that I wonder is if men just never speak up and then feel upset. I by default will cover what I order or my half, but usually I've had my date insist on paying.

nectarinepiss · 2024-12-22T22:27:23+00:00

Okay then don’t date women who expect you to pay?

Sholnufff · 2024-12-22T23:02:12+00:00

Hate to burst your bubble folks.

Relationships are supposed to be ASYMMETRICAL. There are things that most predominant cases a guy does well and also things a lady does well too. Equal but not the same.

That being said, don't be getting finessed.

miahoutx · 2024-12-23T02:33:38+00:00

You just compared getting dinner with a friend to a stranger.

If you asked a stranger to a business lunch what would you do.

BobtheArcher2018 · 2024-12-23T04:23:37+00:00

Well, I think the OP may be oversimplifying things. On some level, the cultural negotiation over who pays, and whether there should be a cultural standard, and if so, what it should be, may represent that we aren't quite sure a first date is a fully symmetrical thing.

Human nature is complex. Greater female reproductive costs may be insisting on finding a way to be 'compensated' at various points in the mating dance, and relationship afterwards.

ExcitementLow4699 · 2024-12-22T13:33:08+00:00

I wanted my dates to pay because I was always broke, not because they were the ones asking me out lol. Also, I wanted my future husband to be a provider so that I could stay home with our children. I think a man being unwilling to pay for the date would have been a bad sign.

We don’t have to be equal in every regard; just of equal value to each other.

InitialPaths989 · 2024-12-22T17:18:48+00:00

I guess, but I tend to go on dates for fun. I’m not thinking about a relationship I’m thinking about wanting her, because that’s why I asked her out. She might get with you anyway, but the bj will be that much better if you paid for a $15-20 plate of food and 2 drinks.

Plus, I would like to see the guy that’s got a hot girl that shows she is way into him, that don’t have $30 to seal the deal. If she asks for a steak dinner, tell her to F off, just go somewhere halfway decent. If she’s mid and isn’t acting like she’s into you, split it then. Don’t go messing up a sure thing over $30 measley dollars. You think she’s hot, have fun don’t go making points for a relationship not likely to happen anyway or even matter if it does.

Any-Remove-4032 · 2024-12-22T18:45:56+00:00

If i invite, I pay.

If I can't pay, I don't invite.

If I don't want to pay too much, coffee date (which is why it was always my suggested first date)

I never felt the need to explain this to anyone cause I didn't care what women thought. I did my own thing and figured the right person would come along eventually. If i felt there was a genuine connection, follow up dinner date. If there was no spark, I could afford the $5-8 the coffee date cost. Easy, simple, stress-free.

I'm married now, together for 8 years. It all worked out.

-Kalos · 2024-12-23T04:03:25+00:00

Y’all sound broke

mashedturnip · 2024-12-22T18:49:50+00:00

My personal experiences and those of women I know disagree

It’s also logical, because women don’t have to date for sex, and are the more desirable gender because of sex

Women didn’t make men thirsty and desperate, you guys do it all on your own

themfluencer · 2024-12-22T15:29:07+00:00

My dad’s rule is whoever invites, pays. We spend all Saturday morning trying to trick one another into an invitation to breakfast.

Nobodyz_Nikki · 2024-12-22T18:37:16+00:00

Blah blah blah. Stfu.

Men will pay for first, second and last dates. End of discussion!

False-Purple3882 · 2024-12-22T21:44:35+00:00

I think it’s funny how men who bring up these conversations always frame women as entitled for wanting some benefit from being in a relationship. But men can date women solely for their appearance and that isn’t viewed as a form of entitlement

Title	Expecting for men to pay for your first date sets a bad precedent for the relationship
Author	BichonFriseLover
Upvotes	72
Comments	673
Date	December 22, 2024 1:22 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1hjyebo/expecting_for_men_to_pay_for_your_first_date_sets/
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