Women prefer toxic men

NockerJoe · 2022-08-26T21:42:53+00:00

I think its less that toxic men are preferred so much as consciously being non toxic removes you from the pool.

A large portion of online discourse is about not breaking any boundaries and not making anyone uncomfortable... as said by women who usually have mental issues. The internet treats serious social anxiety and antisocial behavior as the norm and so having basically any interaction with a stranger in any context doesn't follow what happens in reality when diacussed by awkward weirdos on reddit or girls on tiktok with various personality disorsers they play up for clout because thats the meta.

Introverted younger dudes who follow internet discourse are essentially trained to treat women as if they're made of glass and to expect them to act in a way the average woman just doesn't. So when it doesn't work they're undersrandbably frustrated and turn to a different group of reddit dickheads who are probably overcompensating the other way just a bit too much.

CruelAngelGradThesis · 2022-08-26T22:12:43+00:00

The women who were lucky enough to land kind, mature, compatible non-toxic guys at the age of 16, date him throughout college, then marry fresh out of college are not on the dating market and in all likelihood never will be again. Them's the breaks.

richard_golbes · 2022-08-26T22:03:58+00:00

A big part of it is the fact that we’re all kind of assholes as teenagers and in our early twenties. Obviously some forms of toxicity are more damaging and more revealing of fundamental character, but there is a reason why dating at this age in most cases shouldn’t be taken as seriously as people tend to do.

goatismycopilot · 2022-08-26T21:52:36+00:00

I think the issue is you do not hear from the women who do not prefer them because they are busy living their lives with men who are not shitshow humans. They are not writing bullshit up in Thought Catalog or doing Tik Toks on toxic masculinity. Dramatic or shitshow people tend to find one another and they even get married or reproduce.

So it is not that women prefer POS men it is that there is a large enough supply of them and a large enough supply of stupid/traumatized women that like shitty men that together they are an actual category. Some people never learn.

I think it is more the case that men who act toxic assholes and then flip to being " nice" are actually assholes who did cos play at nice.

Professional-Noise80 · 2022-08-26T21:54:40+00:00

Masculine toxicity can be understood as status-seeking behavior (manifests more in men, is thus a product of testosterone).

See this quote from wikipedia on testosterone and aggression and criminality :

"The relationship between testosterone and aggression may also function indirectly, as it has been proposed that testosterone does not amplify tendencies towards aggression but rather amplifies whatever tendencies will allow an individual to maintain social status when challenged. In most animals, aggression is the means of maintaining social status. However, humans have multiple ways of obtaining social status. This could explain why some studies find a link between testosterone and pro-social behaviour if pro-social behaviour is rewarded with social status. Thus the link between testosterone and aggression and violence is due to these being rewarded with social status"

This is very important and it makes sense to me : women aren't attracted to guys because they're aggressive, they're attracted to aggressive guys because they're the ones at the top of the hierarchy (it's even more the case among young lads who're primarily differentiated by their physical attributes).

See this Sapolsky clip for further explanation : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suBKiGtbhnY

This trend could change, it's not part of female nature. It's possible that symbols of status such as aggressivity might be changed and women would stop being attracted to aggressive guys. One can hope at least. We'll see.

See these video essays that seem to show some sort of trend in art toward new and better values that could transform our hierarchies :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7YnbGszcb8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_PXuPs5mj4

Second one is almost two hours long and boring in parts but interesting.

Enjoy !

insultin_crayon · 2022-08-26T23:23:33+00:00

Replace woman with man in the OP and it still applies.

kvakerok · 2022-08-27T01:34:16+00:00

What looks good on a Chad, doesn't look good on a fedora wearing white knight. One man's hot traits are another man's misogyny and toxicity. That's just how it is.

When women accuse you of toxicity, it's no different from one woman telling another "you look fat in that dress". Facts are irrelevant, they simply don't want you screwing with their dating strategy, which red pill absolutely does.

Film2021 · 2022-08-26T22:51:04+00:00

As with most things, it depends on how you look.

A short, scrawny, balding guy with a weak voice telling a woman “damn girl, I’d love to fuck you tonight” randomly at the bar isn’t going to be as well received as if the same line was said by a 6’6 jacked guy with a chiseled jaw and tattoos.

ruboyuri · 2022-08-26T21:47:58+00:00

Your title is “women prefer toxic men” but your post content is “dumb children eventually grow up”

I should make a similar post and entitle it “men prefer living in filth, setting things on fire, drinking shitty beer til they puke and masturbating into a dirty sock five times a day”, and then act indignant that they usually pull themselves together and get jobs and marriages

sarkington · 2022-08-26T21:32:43+00:00

If they preferred them, they would still be with them, and every red piller would be a Chad

pikecat · 2022-08-27T02:30:54+00:00

You're missing the fact that good people, men and women, pair up together and stay together. Good people know who other good people are, and know to avoid the toxic people. It's not hard to do if you have half a brain.

You don't hear from all of these people. They're living a good life. You hear from all of the toxic people complaining constantly. You don't have a representative sample from which to make your assertion. You're ignoring the rest. People, with nothing to complain about, are not heard.

On the other hand I can concur that being a bit of a bad boy gets you more girls. I was a decent guy who also became a bit of a bad boy. However you don't have to be an asshole to someone's face, you can be flirtatious and sexual in clever ways. It does seem that once you have a few girls on the go, more just fall into your lap, literally.

TheMedsPeds · 2022-08-26T23:00:31+00:00

Toxic men tend to have more charisma and are good at playing nice in the beginning until the woman is attached.

I seriously doubt most women intentionally seek men who will abuse them.

Coolio_Street_Racer · 2022-08-27T00:26:12+00:00

The latest girl I slept with told me treat her like a worthless piece of shit.

I don’t even like it man. But I aim to please.

anjovis150 · 2022-08-26T21:39:54+00:00

You can be nice and flirtatious too. People often mistake boring for nice. Women like confident men and often nice guys just aren't confident.

BlackPorcelainDoll · 2022-08-26T22:43:27+00:00

I also think a great deal of women often exaggerate non-existent threats and inaccurately "label" men; unintentionally albeit mindlessly, when they are feeling anxious, uncomfortable or backed in a corner - or being guided entirely by her feeling and intuition. In highly intense conversations, you will often see women mindlessly sling around words, accusations, insults and assumptions - with no real intent on harming the listener; but the man interprets it differently, and she then has to backtrack and self-correct her language.

The prevalence of women selecting "toxic men," may not actually be that great a number, but instead women tend to have different definitions and interpretations of the labels you describe than men. Likewise, we see women often label or compartmentalize men based off intuition or idle watching him move instead of any solidified evidence that the man in question is actually a potential threat to her; instead of just being large and in the way, and it doesn't follow that this actually happened or actually occurred.

To me, a lot of it is language games. Women learn to train their mouths; as men are sensitive to them. Men learn to train their physical strength; as women react a certain way to men because of the size difference. I believe that their feelings of abuse or feeling of intense mistreatment, or emotion toward X are real, but not much else beyond that. Do I believe the majority of women are with "toxic men", it's highly unlikely, just like I don't believe the majority of men are potential threats - instead of just having a capacity to cause harm to anyone in particular outside of a specific sub-group of men that target exclusively women.

It could just be that I've worked with a few couples and clients where women howl at the moon to simply for child custody; and have seen people viciously discredit characters of loved ones desperately just for a reduced sentence to save face or when under intense anxiety, regardless of it being the truth, in fact, they'll tell you to use whatever petty defense you've got.

Without verification, I have no reason to believe the majority of women's exes are "toxic assholes" because they so; no more than I have to believe the majority of men are "creeps" because some neurotic woman is freaked out. The logic is the same to me.

IME, I would say it is around 50/50. While there are plenty of decent women with toxic exes; I often find out the other half are really just attempting to defile the man (or execute verbal control) in some form over him out of intense negative feeling and just attempting to gain leverage. The man was not actually an asshole; but instead told her something she did not want to hear.

You may have a point, but your post is just a bunch of hearsay to me.

Dry-Specific-8958 · 2022-08-26T22:28:04+00:00

they only like drama and a bad boy, adventurer or whatever it can cause them those feelings, the series they watch and all the influence they have had has made them that way

wtknight · 2022-08-27T00:20:28+00:00

However, I think a large thing that gets overlooked is the fact that women, in particular younger women, are often more attracted to toxic men.

I think that it's accidental in that a lot of these men have positive qualities too that go along with their toxic qualities that are seen before the toxic qualities are.

A shocking amount of women have even admitted that they like when a guy is mean & degrading to them, that it gets them excited.

I'm not sure that this is really the case. Almost nobody likes to be treated like crap. Furthermore, if she tells her female friends about how she is treated, they'll put a lot of pressure on her to dump the guy.

AdditionalPrice7336 · 2022-08-27T03:53:17+00:00

Damaged people attract each other, trouble likes trouble. Oh shit I ran out of clichés The World is not so black and white OP.

Sea_Particular_9086 · 2022-08-27T06:28:34+00:00

I wouldn’t say its about being toxic, asshole, manipulator etc. its presenting yourself proper, confident, being firm. What I mean by being firm and confident is that you’re happy regardless if you have the women or not.

You’re firm in your decisions, a charming asshole but not an asshole in the sense where you degrade the individual.

Charming asshole, “I liked you better as a blonde then a brunette” type way.

Crafty_Letter_1719 · 2022-08-27T10:56:19+00:00

I don’t think it’s so much that Woman “prefer” toxic Men. It’s that many Woman( or people in general) have a limited capacity for self reflection and accountability but over inflated egos.

This means that whenever relationship breaks down( as relationships tend to do) it’s suddenly because their once wonderful, can do no wrong partner is “toxic” or “abusive” or “narcissistic”. It’s often a defensive mechanism against the reality that they have been unable to maintain that persons interest. Nobody likes rejection and very few people have the critical self analysis to admit that part they have played in it’s occurrence. Much easier( and cathartic) to tell everybody( and yourself) that you have been wronged by a “toxic” person. Victim mentality essentially.

Couple this with the evolution of language and “toxic” “abusive” and “narcissistic” have simply become buzzwords to describe people you no longer like since the breakdown of the a relationship. These days a Man that leaves the the toilet seat up and plays too much video games “toxic” or “emotionally abusive”. This does a disservice to people who are genuinely in abusive relationships. No one is denying these exists. Just that they are nowhere near as prevalent as it would appear.

Actual narcissism is incredibly rare in the clinic sense. Most studies indicate that only 3 percent of the population are clinical narcissists. Speak to pretty much any Woman in this day and age however and she has somehow dated an “abusive”, “toxic” and “narcissistic” partner in the past. Either that 3 percent of Men are dating nearly 100 percent of Woman or something doesn’t quite add up…

Miserablemermaid · 2022-08-26T21:47:30+00:00

There’s a reason these toxic exes are exes

ClaraBow01 · 2022-08-26T22:05:25+00:00

A significant amount of men have had toxic/abusive girlfriends. Are men attracted to toxic women? To me, this is more about how women are often taught to not stand up for themselves as opposed to anything inherent to women. It’s all about how you are raised.

StrengthOfMind1989 · 2022-08-26T21:35:44+00:00

This sub is weird.

Every post seems to be from guys speaking facts about female nature and all the simps and cucks berating them.

SwaySh0t · 2022-08-26T21:51:57+00:00

They don’t like toxic men, more or less the emotional rollercoaster “rock the boat” feeling toxic men provide them. Women love drama, it gives there life meaning. If your relationship ever starts to get stale just starts some shit for no reason lol you’d be surprised how effective this is for keeping her engaged. Don’t nuke the relationship tho

Street-Temporary8048 · 2022-08-27T03:21:08+00:00

If women preferred toxic men, all of you PPD guys would be “spinning plates”. But here we are🤷🏼‍♀️

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John_Oakman · 2022-08-26T21:47:02+00:00

Or maybe they're just the best out of the lot, with the alternatives being orders of magnitude worse. Perhaps both genders are desperate for options that they're willing to compromise so much at times, and unable to recognize each other's scarcity...

YtBlue · 2022-08-27T03:16:46+00:00

Toxic is code word for acts better than. Women are hypergamous and you can hear it in their stated preferences. Taller than, more money than, etc. However it seems like you lump in physical abusers as attractive because they abuse. I'd definitely say that's wrong as it isn't the abuse that made the girl like them but abusers typically think they're better than the person they're with. Women just prefer men they deem better than them. So a guy who isn't thirsty, gives them attention but not too much, may cancel on her etc.

AwakenTheSavage · 2022-08-27T03:21:02+00:00

Initially, the control freak’s abusive tendencies are misconstrued as strength.

LeeroyX · 2022-08-27T04:42:08+00:00

If you are asking this question you may benefit from a bit of reading on healthy relationships and creating and maintaining boundaries.

There are plenty of resources online.

Ohyarlysmiles · 2022-08-27T05:45:19+00:00

Empirically disconfirmed as studies show that when physical attractiveness is equal women prefer kind men.

Next.

Blissey_Bless_Me · 2022-08-27T06:53:29+00:00

Most non toxic men wouldn’t have a problem with these types of women if the women would put in the same effort with the non toxic guys.

But in many cases , bc of all the drama and abuse she’s now too unstable to function in a non toxic relationship and she becomes the toxic one. He gets taken for granted because she doesn’t know how to act. Which I can understand.

This is my experience. You would think that someone who’s non toxic gets appreciated more but fuck no 😂.

I’ve never been toxic to the point of being abusive etc but I got better results when I had a idgaf attitude.

Nodeal_reddit · 2022-08-27T07:09:02+00:00

I think people tend to see the positives in their current partner while focusing on the negatives of their ex. It’s human nature. This leads to an “over-reporting” of past toxic relationships.

DXBrigade · 2022-08-27T11:05:43+00:00

I take it with a grain of salt, when women complain about their "toxic ex". People aren't the most objective when it comes to their ex.

CommieRedEyes · 2022-08-27T11:53:20+00:00

No we don’t. Men hate it when women generalize but y’all do it ALL THE TIME. People like who they like. Some people like pieces of shit. Others prefer beautiful decorated turds. C’est la vie

Obj3ctivePerspective · 2022-08-27T13:25:54+00:00

This isn't news. Majority of women have preferred toxic men since the dawn of time. It's why the bad boy trope exists. Why the nice guys finish last thing exists. Why there are so many single moms. Women get attracted to the negative traits while also thinking they can "fix" them

Lisavela · 2022-08-27T15:27:46+00:00

Please stop talking for all of us

bottomLobster · 2022-08-27T20:12:30+00:00

I also used to see the world black and white like this, oh those were the days, but you'll probably grow out of it. Close reddit and go out for a run or something :)

Pigeon_of_the_sea · 2022-08-27T05:10:08+00:00

Men prefer toxic women. Based on the amount of men that have claimed to date crazy psychos....

Manly_Dream · 2022-08-26T22:33:44+00:00

And then society expects us to accept thise guys' leftovers. It's laughable.

NationalistGoy · 2022-08-26T23:28:37+00:00

financially abusive

What do you mean "financially abusive"?

I would like to add as evidence the amount of Tiktoks and memes from young girls saying they want a guy to ‘ruin their life’, ignoring a guy’s red flags, hooking up with their ex for the nth time.

There is a number of tiktoks showing a text that says something like "when he doesn't work, he has no career, has no goals in life, uses drugs and abuses me" and in the background the girl is happily dancing. I used to get shocked by these type of videos, now I just accept it, and give zero fucks when I hear a woman complain about their ex.

Cephalan · 2022-08-27T00:50:42+00:00

Women like masculine men, and that often crosses over with the "negative" masculine traits

Noodles_R · 2022-08-26T22:11:49+00:00

Toxicity isn’t always obvious immediately. I was friends with a guy for years before we dated, super close, first year of dating also went great, then the emotional abuse started - the manipulation, the silent treatment, the control. It’s not like all women are like oh you’re an awful man, I’ll date you!

Cat_Lover259 · 2022-08-27T00:28:16+00:00

You gotta get out of this mindset 😬

realvmouse · 2022-08-27T02:35:56+00:00

99% of RP generalizations are explained by their terrible choice of social circles.

catniagara · 2022-08-27T02:54:22+00:00

Women are not a monolith.

InfamousBake1859 · 2022-08-26T23:16:15+00:00

I have never dated a toxic man. All my ex were good people.

No i’d say most women don’t like toxic men.

Lastly, you “played” both the good guy and Ah? You were never the good guy. I can sense those stupid “nice guy” act from a mile away. Maybe you confused fake nice with boring

ThrowRAmtf · 2022-08-27T04:45:06+00:00

No, they don't want toxic men, they want men who treat them as entire human beings, flesh and soul. They want boys that make them laugh, with a bit of thrill of unknown.

Especially here in Italy the "nice guy" is too afraid to touch her girlfriend based on all the information about Dante and Beatrice, the "angelic woman" and Dulcinea and Quixote.

Just one memory from my teen years.

I was at a time a nice, shy, introverted guy with feelings to be a girl, late 80s. We were boys and girls scouts in camping, hot summer day. Age 12-16. I was 15.

Some boys started to throw "water bombs" to the girls which started to scream in panic, the fun was to water them but also, of course, to see through the wet t-shirt the bra inside and maybe also their bare chest.

I just observed, of course, I was too afraid to enter the game, moreover I did not know which part should I partake. One thing that was clear was that the girls screamed in panic but also with excitation and thrill. They were laughing and screaming at the same time. It was an attack, but a controlled attack.

The boys who did the deed were not toxic, but they certainly made them laugh and were the ones which, in turn, went out with the girls in a rotation and were chased by the girls themselves. There were 2-5 leaders, which started the game, some followers (the majority) and then there was me: the observer.

Of course also in the victim side there was a distinction: there were the most targeted girls (the ones with already a developed breast and an extroverted character) and the ignored girls, maybe just too thin or shy.

The fact is that the boys who started the game were not toxic, I knew them well, they certainly started to have success with the girls at a young age, but they had the same character, superficially, that later I have observed in real toxic men.

The bottom line is:

tl;dr: Women are human beings, they have not superpowers to look inside a person's soul. They DO NOT like toxic men, but toxic men, superficially, at first, behave like boys who make them laugh and give them that thrill of unknown and adventure that they crave. The toxicity of the man will be apparent after some time, when the girl has already invested emotionally in the relationship and it is difficult to get out.

Peacesquad · 2022-08-26T22:03:48+00:00

“Ugh no we don’t!! We want flowers!! Ugh youre labelist porkist sexist baconist pig! Women are survivors!! We love nice guys FEMALES RUN THE WORLD!!!”

Academic_Snow_7680 · 2022-08-27T11:13:37+00:00

tl;dr too many men are toxic

SlimLovin · 2022-08-27T11:17:09+00:00

Men prefer being toxic and some women deal with it.

Pilling_it · 2022-08-26T22:04:02+00:00

More like they give too much slack to an attractive dude that can then afford to act like one.

urbangoth · 2022-08-26T22:29:25+00:00

I've never had a toxic ex or abusive relationship. I avoid that shit, it's not attractive. Really unfortunate that people think women are attracted to toxicity versus the guy they are likely into due to other factors (looks is a favorite example in this sub) and younger women are willing to overlook it or think they can change the guy. Being an asshole itself is not inherently attractive.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2022-08-27T00:00:17+00:00

If that were the case wouldn’t this place be a ghost town on a Friday night?

ElectricBugs · 2022-08-27T00:10:42+00:00

So here's the thing . A lot of women grow up in abusive houses. This often means that a lot of women don't know what a non-abusive man looks like, and non-abusive men will actually seem "wrong" to her as a result. Him being "too nice" seems suspicious to her or is foreign and uncomfortable. So subconsciously she ends up with abusive.men because that's what she knows and seems normal to her. None of this is deliberately done on her part but often the result of trauma.

Also, many abusive men are capable of hiding their abusive ways until they have a woman "trapped". This means it is very hard for a woman to leave by the time they realise. They usually are duped into being under his control. This also is not deliberate by her.

The sheer number of women and children who get abused by men is high. The number of men who are abusive is high. The stats bear this out.

There is nothing in any research or information about abusive relationships to support your statement that women knowingly partner with abusive men and I suggest you do some reading about abuse so you understand it more, to prevent you from blaming women for abusive men.

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2022-08-26T23:16:12+00:00

"Women dating toxic men proves they like toxic men, but women marrying men that aren't toxic provides absolutely no evidence that women like men that aren't toxic."

SteveSan82 · 2022-08-27T08:11:46+00:00

I’d say that women by default want toxic men. Some women are smart enough to fight that desire but most don’t

Nihi1986 · 2022-08-27T04:14:53+00:00

Women don't always have toxic exes, they label them toxic because the relationship died and someone there got dumped. (She's hurt or justifying a decission)

Women don't prefer toxic men, at least not women over a certain age, but their toxicity is not enough of a deal breaker if they are confident and look good/make money.

Women prefer passionate relationships. Arguing, fighting (not physically) making each other miserable and then getting back together with the best sex they have had in months...

Women hate men who get too jelous and controlling. Women hate even more the men who don't get jelous and never try to controll anything. For women, this indicates that they are not loved or valued because if you loved and valued your girl you would care. Alternatively, a guy who treats her like a queen works too, but not a dull non possesive, non romantic guy.

And with age, women get fed up with those real 'toxic' guys and finally start valuing a decent looking genuinely nice guy.

Fun_Push7168 · 2022-08-27T01:32:21+00:00

Prefer.....no.

Attracted to.... absolutely.

When you see a laundry list of things a woman doesn't want, remember shes usually speaking from experience.

She doesn't want someone with those traits, yet is obviously attracted to people with those traits or she wouldn't have the experience. Many times this admitted with "been there done that" many will absolutely do it again... usually less and less, or to a lesser degree though.

As far as all having an ex they call toxic. The umbrella of toxic has been expanded to literally anyone that ever disagreed with them or called them out on bad behavior etc. etc. It's a catch all for disagreeing or simply being incompatible. I'll bet that the overwhelming majority of men , probably at least 80 percent who have ever had an ex have been called toxic or had an ex claim they had many toxic traits.

When you consider this broad overuse. It becomes obvious they do not prefer genuinely toxic men. They are simply attracted to many traits that often accompany toxic traits, or can be toxic if they aren't proportioned correctly. Confidence and narcissism are a good example. Proportioned correctly it is confidence.....too much and it's either cockiness or narcissism.

webernicke · 2022-08-27T01:50:21+00:00

I think that a big part of the problem is that people tend to group "nice" behaviors and "toxic" behaviors as parts of the same spectrum.

Instead, it might be more appropriate to think of them as two separate categories each with thier own range between acceptable behavior and bad behavior. What we think of as "nice" is actually something like agreeable, accommodating, stable, passive and modest. Let's nickname these behaviors, something like...I don't know..."Blue." The other set of behaviors (what some people might call "toxic") is actually something like disagreeable, assertive, exciting, active and bold. Let's call that group "Red."

Most situations in society encourage Blue behaviors because they are good for social cohesion, and women will vaguely echo this sentiment when describing what they want in a man. On the other hand, Red behaviors are better for personal success and, pointedly, are generally closer to the common perception of what most of society considers to be "toxic."

What happens is that women are usually much more viscerally and sexually attracted to the Red group. Frustrated men are noticing, in principle, that women have more tolerance for toxicity in Red behaviors than in Blue behaviors, to the point where even toxic Red behaviors can be preferable to arguably positive Blue behaviors.

This is something that women really struggle to admit, partially because critical men will conflate the type of behavior with morality, erroneously concluding that women are attracted to toxicity itself.

But while men could be more thoughtful about the above, women really do heavily contribute to this misconception consciously or not. By downplaying the fact that socially encouraged behaviors and sexually attractive behaviors are two different things. By hiding behind the subjectivity of what is considered toxic to avoid criticism for being too tolerant of toxic, but attractive behaviors. By clinging to the idea that female attraction is ultimately some kind of morality test. By not really grappling with the idea that they may be, contrary to all expectation, less tolerant of "too nice" and have a shorter fuse with those behaviors than with the "too toxic" behaviors.

rurunoa · 2022-08-27T06:20:36+00:00

good that means more submissive men for me

givesmeconniptionfit · 2022-08-27T00:05:53+00:00

The bad boy archetype has been a thing for a long time.. I think women see a man that punches a wall or shows aggression on impulse as someone that can be moulded into a strong protector. They can outgrow this archetype and go for men with less trait masculinity to better control/form partnerships with, but it is at the cost of ignoring a biological impulse. Unconsciously, there will always be a desire for masculinity in some probably toxic archetype (the nice bad boy hits different) to counterbalance what a woman feels is lacking in her femininity, and so (secretly asshole) women will go for masculine traits modern society sees as toxic (i.e. the Andrew Tates of the world). You want a way out of this, imo find a woman that hasn't let feminism inflate her ego enough to prevent honest introspection in where her desires lie

you-arent-reading-it · 2022-08-26T23:03:56+00:00

Almost every woman has a toxic ex (or several).

If they are exes, then they don't prefer toxic men.

I’m not denying abusive men do exist

Yes they are disgusting. They don't really know how to treat women.

while saying something “an asshole” would say & utilizing a lot pf psychological tricks has worked surprisingly well.

I mean it's fine in the beginning and also later sometimes. But you should always respect your woman and cherish her. Also, men should understand boundaries.

A shocking amount of women have even admitted that they like when a guy is mean & degrading to them, that it gets them excited.

That's no surprise. It's well known. But I get that it's a particular experience hearing that while by an intimate bond.

TryLambda · 2022-08-27T01:56:59+00:00

Hybristophilia is a real thing

vtribal · 2022-08-27T01:59:43+00:00

Wow no way this is the first time this has been said

Necessary-Worry1923 · 2022-08-27T05:31:52+00:00

Narcissists definitely attract females.

https://www.news24.com/health24/lifestyle/man/news/why-narcissists-always-get-the-girl-20130531

serialkiller_mne · 2022-08-27T07:11:55+00:00

Hoodville is right

captainsaveahoe69 · 2022-08-27T12:29:19+00:00

Just about every woman I've ever dated had "abusive" exes. They are perpetual victims. I'm sure I became one of them.

2022-08-27T13:32:44+00:00

Many guys are decent as friends but in relationships can but very toxic and take their gfs for granted. Many are immature, selfish and their brains haven’t developed. I think as someone said if you find an amazing person they remain your partner - usually till marriage. When you have an ex it’s not uncommon to feel resentful etc.

carlenvirgo · 2022-08-27T14:37:12+00:00

In my experience, men have a high toxicity rate in general.. they see toxicity as cool or attractive so they take on toxic traits. Women, particularly younger women, are accustomed to the hottest guys being toxic, so that’s what they find attractive. As we get older we are far more interested in nobility than partying hard so we want men with integrity..

Throwawaypmme2 · 2022-08-27T14:54:06+00:00

Women like it when men arent toxic so much as assertive. Theres a very fine line when you assert your sexuality as a person or assert other qualities. Crossing that line may get you in the door, but it won't keep you in the proverbial house. I dont have trouble with any women. Im AVERAGE looking, go to the gym 5 or 6 days a week. And can talk to women. Important part is to assert yourself and to show you arent a unic. Check her out, flirt, its okay to make racy jokes wherever you are. When someone says stop, then you stop

brenee1993 · 2022-08-27T14:54:58+00:00

...tell me you're an incel without telling me you're an incel

Kittycynn · 2022-08-27T15:36:15+00:00

I think it's because men are just toxic and like to use women for sex, some are uglier than others, get less chance to do so, that's all.

cunningcaring · 2022-08-27T16:33:47+00:00

Women do not prefer toxic men. This is a myth.

StarsHavingPossums · 2022-08-27T16:34:50+00:00

Bit of a sweeping statement there, can't say I agree with it. Can't say anyone I know agrees with it either.

Title	Women prefer toxic men
Author	Salt-Echo-7867
Upvotes	112
Comments	458
Date	August 26, 2022 9:31 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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