The whole “wOmEn dOn’T oWe yOu sEx” narrative is bullshit, the vast majority of men do not think this at all. Most men just rightfully expect to be able to get women at or below their level of attractiveness.

LaloTwins · 2023-06-15T19:04:36+00:00

Ru daft?

Men do not think this at all

But also

Just rightfully expect to get women???

Incels are God’s dumbest fucking children ISTG

NJFlowerchild · 2023-06-15T14:15:35+00:00

That post tag. 🤣🤣🤣

Dimension597 · 2023-06-15T22:18:54+00:00

HINT: The reason OP doesn’t get laid is because his self evident misogyny. Not because women have particularly high standards.

Safinated · 2023-06-15T14:21:25+00:00

“Men do not think this at all”

“Rightfully expect”

Pick one

8copiesofbeemovie · 2023-06-15T14:54:51+00:00

I wouldn’t want to have sex with someone who “settled” for having sex with me, so i think that might be the main issue with y’all acquiring sex. Ain’t nobody getting wet over a man looking at you and going “yeah, I guess you’ll do”

LillthOfBabylon · 2023-06-15T16:14:27+00:00

Who says we're talking about the majority of men? Most men are not rapists, but that doesnt mean rapists aren't a problem. Even guys dont like entitled men and call them out.

sugahgayy · 2023-06-15T20:30:03+00:00

You think women wanting to stop being sexually harassed and r*ped is because they have high standards? Go touch grass for the love of god

dishonouronmycow · 2023-06-15T14:06:31+00:00

Why do “most men” rightfully expect to be able to get women? I don’t expect to get a man, I’d like to have a partner but I’m not owed one.

ReplacementPasta · 2023-06-15T13:45:22+00:00

Most dudes would settle for their equivalent or even a little below.

Why would someone, even slightly self respecting person decide to be with someone who "settled" for you, just because you happened to be not too ugly?

You sound like you don't actually think women as other people, but only view them one dimentionally by their looks.

Scary_Preparation_66 · 2023-06-15T14:48:04+00:00

Find me one woman who wants to be with a dude that settles for them because they can't do better

Cjaylyle · 2023-06-15T14:11:11+00:00

Expect all you want, if you can’t you can’t and that’s it, expect less? Your ability to get sex is entirely down on you

Fearless_Method_1682 · 2023-06-15T13:00:16+00:00

Look, you don't need sex or companionship or fancy food. You can subsist on video games and vitamin enriched gruel. You need to be happy by yourself first.

Me? Yeah I've had a constant stream of suitors for as long as I can remember, and I'm eating carbonara tonight.

Flightlessbirbz · 2023-06-15T15:58:43+00:00

“Women don’t owe me sex, just the women at or below my attractiveness level.” Lol

_demidevil_ · 2023-06-15T16:36:50+00:00

How are you gonna contradict yourself in the title and then call women’s behaviour “toddler level”?

LotBuilder · 2023-06-15T16:27:35+00:00

Nobody owes you anything. In turn, you don’t owe them anything either.

One of my favorite sayings is “behavior rewarded is behavior repeated”. Once I learned to be very direct in what I want and started only rewarding behavior that met my needs… my results got a lot better.

One of my other favorite sayings is “the longer you entertain that which is not for you… the longer you postpone what is.” If a woman is not enthusiastically willing to provide the type of relationship I want from the start… Im moving on. I no longer waste time trying to change people or chase people. If you don’t want what i want, i wish you the best and move on. There are plenty of women that are ready and willing to meet my needs for what i am offering.

Rowyco05 · 2023-06-15T20:25:16+00:00

OP dumb as fuck. If you go in thinking ,”You aren’t as attractive as me so you should put out.” Then your personality sucks and they can do better than you.

MarjieJ98354 · 2023-06-15T20:49:38+00:00

I still don't know what men expects the average woman to do. THE WOMAN YOU WANT IS NOT COMING FOR YOU, And if a woman does come around and "improve herself" for someone, she will likely find the man that never gave her shit in the 1st place, so keep migging your toe!! Most women that are here, are here for a good laugh or to confirm that there is still are no good men out there, basically at your expense and men are whiny ass bitches on top of that!! We may or may not live the exact same lives you do, YET YOU ARGUE WITH THE WOMEN YOU DON'T WANT AND CAN'T HELP YOU!!!!!.

Spiritual_Jeweler105 · 2023-06-15T21:57:25+00:00

You clearly just don’t know your “level”

interesting-mug · 2023-06-15T15:14:48+00:00

If you’re not getting women at or below your level of attractiveness, you need to reassess your own purported “levels”. And take in the whole picture, not just your looks.

Most people who are single are so because they can’t find someone who meets their standard. This is just life for single people, it’s not special and it’s not gendered. It’s part of the human experience.

YveisGrey · 2023-06-15T14:13:06+00:00

You literally said men don’t think women owe them sex and followed it up by saying … men think women owe them sex. Or when you say “men expect to be able to get women at or below their level” do you mean get them to play scrabble?? 😂

punapearebane · 2023-06-15T16:59:42+00:00

Men expect to get women on “their level” but their level is the women they can get. So if you cant get someone “on your level or lower” perhaps look over “my level” parameter.

MyLastBestChance · 2023-06-15T14:29:23+00:00

So…(as a totally random example, definitely not referring to the OP🙄), if a “man” is a late twenties 5’8” 185 lb chubby balding incel with a whiny, entitled, misogynistic attitude and a dead end retail job, what “level of attractiveness” should he rightfully expect to be able to “get”?

What, exactly, does “getting” that person involve?

Mmmm?🤔

Soloandthewookiee · 2023-06-15T13:47:40+00:00

"Men don't believe they're owed sex, they just expect sex! Totally different because of reasons."

ignitedwolf9200 · 2023-06-15T15:42:09+00:00

Lmao lots of dudes DO think this though. Several of my former guy friends straight up admitted this to me. There is a reason why they are not my friends anymore

WilliamWyattD · 2023-06-15T16:47:38+00:00

Assuming the OP's main assertion is accurate, from a certain perspective that still contains a lot of assumptions and possibly entitlement.

For one, who says that women are naturally desirous of men who rank equally (as a ranking in their own gender)? Who says men aren't less attractive than women in some absolute way? Or in a practical way due to greater female effort? Who says women benefit as much from relationships as men?

GamedoctorX · 2023-06-15T20:05:02+00:00

You're acting like attractiveness is a hard science. This is some deranged black pill shit right here. Dude is morphing into the joker as we speak plotting against his "pathetic gynocentric cucked society"

AhsokaSolo · 2023-06-15T15:42:44+00:00

"I don't think women owe men sex, I just think I have a right to expect sex from women that I think are at or below my level of attractiveness"

A woman having whatever standards she wants, including being willing to be on her own if she can't find them, isn't a woman feeling "entitled" to anything. Women get rejected too. Men have every right to do that, and they do. Every woman I know has been rejected at one point or another. It's just that woman are allowed to be however picky they want, including choosing to have standards beyond, "I will have sex with a man of equal attractiveness to me"

KayRay1994 · 2023-06-15T15:23:15+00:00

if you’re not getting women at or below your levels, it sounds entirely like a you problem - maybe your sense of self is not great, maybe you’re a bitter sourpuss, or maybe you just expect women to match with you on apps without putting in any effort irl - no matter where you look at kt, its a you proglem

zyex12 · 2023-06-15T14:18:46+00:00

Ight bro dating someone has a lot more factors than physical appearance ik it’s crazy right. Yes physical attraction matters but that’s like half of it. Also I agree the vast majority of men don’t or shouldn’t think like that but you also can’t then generalize women in the same post. Also people feeling entitled to dudes more attractive than them I don’t think anyone should feel entitled but also I don’t think anyone should be upset that other people want partners they find I guess out of their league shit I love girls out of my league

BatemaninAccounting · 2023-06-15T18:07:08+00:00

Most dudes would settle for their equivalent or even a little below.

I mean just walking around my town this is exactly what most guys already have done. The bigger problem isn't the 80-90% of men that obtain a long term partner. The problem are all the incels and RPers that are fucking things up for other guys with their toxic personalities and ideologies, driving more women every decade to not give certain guys a chance because they want to be far away from their mentality.

bakalabalak · 2023-06-15T20:42:36+00:00

Most men just rightfully expect to be able to get women at or below their level of attractiveness.

This is just as bad. "Rightfully expect to get women" is such an entitled sentiment.

baresquad · 2023-06-15T13:02:36+00:00

Expect to but can’t. So then it becomes everybody else’s fault that they can’t get ass. That’s what’s really getting more pathetic by the day.

Barneysparky · 2023-06-15T13:10:09+00:00

That sounds great until we observe you rating women known for their beauty as a 6.

januaryphilosopher · 2023-06-15T14:06:09+00:00

What you find attractive doesn't depend on how you look. Regardless of men's looks, there are large groups of women they just won't find attractive. And that's okay, you don't need to, but don't lie about it. A woman who looks similar to you isn't entitled to you dating them and indeed is very unlikely to feel that way, but you don't deserve anyone to date you either.

LilRedMoon__ · 2023-06-15T17:21:18+00:00

ok but women don’t owe you sex. no one owes anyone sex. no one is entitled to someone else’s body.

UneastAji · 2023-06-15T13:04:16+00:00

This narrative is bullshit because men are expected to give commitment and freebies left and right often paying twice or triple times for the same good. This obsession with owing and being entitled just shows women's perception is warped around this logic.

Women are understanding the antagonistic nature of relationships and playing the game aggressively, but it's in their interest to convince men it isn't antagonistic or transactional so they keep pretending it's such an horrible perspective.

fiftypoundpuppy · 2023-06-15T13:52:50+00:00

Lol you can't even write the title without contradicting yourself.

Most men just "rightfully" expect to be able to "get" women.

So yes, you do feel entitled to sex. Just "at or below their level of attractiveness." Still no less entitled.

But what about if those women aren't attracted to you, hmm? What if every woman 1-8 is still only attracted to those 8-10s?

What then?

Women don't feel "entitled" to sex. We have the audacity to want to only have sex with men we are attracted to. And if those are only 8-10s, then so be it. Doesn't make us "entitled." We're not (and can't) making those men want us. It's just what we're attracted to. Female nature and all. And we'd rather be single than feel like we're getting violated by forcing ourselves to have sex with men who don't make us wet enough to even have sex with.

You want to fight female nature?

Mrs_Drgree · 2023-06-15T13:04:56+00:00

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP DELETING YOUR THREADS IF THEY GO TO THE FILTER.

Either the mods will approve it shortly, or your post is gonna get removed as soon as we wake up. I hate getting 1000 spam modmail messages from you every day as you retype your post in l33t word by word.

Annual_Ad_1536 · 2023-06-15T14:01:25+00:00

I'm trying to understand what you're saying, are you saying "the woman is obligated to have sex with me because the person she is attracted to is too attractive for her and I am equally as attractive as her"?

fiendishthingysaurus · 2023-06-15T16:01:28+00:00

“Rightfully expect to be able to get women at or below their level of attractiveness” lmao what’s the difference between that and thinking women (at or below your level of attractiveness) owe you sex? You “rightfully” expect to get women… get them to do what exactly??

Dstar538888 · 2023-06-15T17:07:29+00:00

You can expect that if you’d like, that still doesn’t mean anyone is entitled to oblige you😬y’all really think you should be able to tell grown women who they can or cannot date/ fuck 😂 you’re only in control of your own standards, you can’t control anyone else’s or dictate how low or high a woman’s standards should be, that’s just not your decision to make 🌝

figuringLifeIsGood · 2023-06-15T22:26:35+00:00

then date down and get someone

oozoo_ · 2023-06-16T00:47:22+00:00

Explain what you mean by “get women”

neetykeeno · 2023-06-16T02:23:36+00:00

Why do you think that's a rightful expectation? It has never been generally the case. The eras in which it happens are rare and short. Low value women with any sense have always fled from low value men...whether to workhouse or to nunnery or to stay home and spin to add value to the products of their parents farm.

Natt_Katt02 · 2023-06-16T03:49:34+00:00

In committed serious relationships, women settle. A lot

mvs-56536 · 2023-06-16T04:08:22+00:00

Most intelligent reddit incel:

Meo_cute · 2023-06-16T07:31:04+00:00

Sorry, what do you mean by "get at"?

Few-Laugh-6508 · 2023-06-15T13:05:49+00:00

So how do guys who say they "married up" exist?

EverVigilant1 · 2023-06-15T13:49:27+00:00

Of course. This is one of the most grating, ridiculous statement Blues and feminists make. No men anywhere are going around demanding sex from anyone. No men anywhere are standing around shrieking "YOU OWE ME SEX!!" at women they know, have met, have dated, or even have had sex with.

Men are complaining about the fact that they don't seem to know how to get sex, don't know how to relate to women to get sex, don't know how to talk to women, or that they aren't attractive enough. Those are very, very different issues than 'YOU OWE ME SEX!'

It is true, though, that there are a lot of unattractive men who can't seem to make anything happen with women. It is what it is, and those men should forget women and focus their attention on other things in life. There are ways to live full and satisfying, if somewhat incomplete, lives without the opposite sex. Yes, sex is part of the human condition, and yes, a lot of men aren't experiencing it. At this moment in history, it is what it is, and more and more of us will have no choice but to accept that. Forget women, forget marriage, and move on to other things in life from which you can derive satisfaction. Me personally - I'd get more frequent full body massages (the nonsexual kind). I'd get escorts or sugar babies. Scratch the itch, you're done, for a fraction of the price a girlfriend or wife would cost you. Is it real? No. It's basically rent-a-pussy. It's masturbating into a vagina. But it's better than nothing, and it's cheaper than a girlfriend or wife.

But, yes, men are not standing around demanding sex from women.

Bandit174 · 2023-06-15T13:03:02+00:00

I'd be more happy if they just aknowleged they have it way easier than men and that the standards they judge men on for looks are way harsher than the ones they get judged on. They dont deserve body positivity movements or sympathy for their insecurities. They already have such a low bar to pass.

iassureyouimreal · 2023-06-15T15:46:29+00:00

It’s not even worth trying. Go your own way. Build your life up not expecting anyone to care

JNRoberts42 · 2023-06-15T13:45:21+00:00

Most dudes would settle for their equivalent or even a little below. Most women feel entitled to dudes way more attractive than them.

Which of these two groups gets dates and attention from the opposite sex?

Atomic_Thr0away · 2023-06-15T20:57:20+00:00

Poorly written title.

Men were told as boys "just be yourself" and "there's someone for everyone"... THAT is what bred the idea that we'd all get one. I mean, the math worked out since there are pretty much even numbers of men to women.

But no one told us about hypergamy. Women don't want to admit it. It would make them look bad. So, they tell their sons a bullshit fairytale and wash their hands of it.

Single mothers make blue pill simp's and it's all for selfish reasons.

depressed_apple20 · 2023-06-15T20:17:34+00:00

I dissagree, there are a lot of entitled men and women out there, it's good that they are being called out, but of course it's also true that not all male virgins who identify as involuntary celibates are entitled.

PrinceoftheRoses · 2023-06-15T20:53:45+00:00

Women don't understand it is your level in the dating market or being pumped and dumped by your superior.

My3rstAccount · 2023-06-16T01:22:50+00:00

I always just wanted to be friends with girls and hoped it led to dating, isn’t that how it’s supposed to work? Granted I was always too excited and looked waaaay too forward to a dream wedding for a boy.

doggiedoc2004 · 2023-06-16T02:44:43+00:00

You assume value is only based on looks. If you want to get right down to it, women are biologically/reproductively more valuable than men. Lets just say that being being the sex that has to undergo 9 months of pregnancy and at least 15 years of solid parenting where our lives are secondary to our children...that gives us a +3 on the value scale. Looks are but one metric of "value"

Brandy96Ros · 2023-06-16T08:51:41+00:00

But men expect to get women above their level of attractiveness and bully women for the most minor physical flaws.

RinoaRita · 2023-06-16T10:09:37+00:00

So what’s the big picture? Are women also single but vol-cel? Are the chads at the top getting two women so there aren’t any for the bottom?

1softboy4mommy · 2023-06-19T00:32:52+00:00

Nah tbh men want the hottest they can get

Peacesquad · 2023-06-15T18:39:34+00:00

Don’t expect logic from modern women. If Instagram and TikTok isn’t killing their brain cells it’s feminism lmao

Radiant_Specific6542 · 2023-06-15T15:42:06+00:00

Although I agree with your statement, I'll openly admit I'm the exception. I'm married now, but when I was single, if I wasn't able to get into her pants in the first 4 hours of a 1st date, I'd just end the date and talk to someone else. More often than not, I was successful. I would say I had like an 80% success rate give or take.

Ironically enough, my wife was an exception. It took like 4 to 5 dates to bed her, which is extremely long for me. If she wasn't a unicorn (using that word as a placeholder) I definitely would have dipped on her too. Lol

offtable · 2023-06-16T06:23:59+00:00

I would go As far As women who are in a relationship with the Man, do owe him sex. That is part of the reason they are together in the first place.

And Yeah, I think to expect to be able to pull a woman around your level attractiveness is varranted. As a guy, all you can do is either be so attractive so many women want you, settle for waaay less Than you deserve OR, dont play their games at all let them boil in their delusion.

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