TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects

Maffioze · 2024-12-29T07:50:47+00:00

In reality, real life is somewhere between the blue pill and the red pill. If you're strongly to one side, you're letting yourself be indoctrinated by convenient falsehoods.

I do think more and more men are waking up to the biases in society as a whole, but that doesn't mean most of them turn into redpillers.

jtinian · 2024-12-29T06:52:51+00:00

Go to a mall (or any place where strangers gather) and walk around for less than 20 minutes. There are all kinds of people in relationships. Tall people, short people, ugly people, fat people, thin people, people with kids, people without kids, people who look poor, people who look rich, ugly men and good looking women, ugly women and good-looking men, etc. Everytime, without fail, I see such a broad and diverse range of people holding hands and enjoying each other's company. Doesn't matter what US state I'm in, doesn't matter how big the city is. This red pill stuff is only popular amongst people either who can't or won't go outside.

BigMadLad · 2024-12-29T06:50:53+00:00

I don’t know man it still seems pretty niche to me. Just because the news is talking about Andrew Tate, doesn’t mean the news agrees with or the majority of viewers agree with it. I think if you would poll 100,000 random men across the country across ages, maybe 20% have even heard of Andrew Tate, and maybe 5% have heard the term red pill and what it means. If you polled 100,000 young men that rate jump significantly, but you’re arguing the average person.

BrightAutumn12 · 2024-12-29T08:32:55+00:00

Most women don't even care about 4B or Man vs Bear stuff. It's just an internet thing.

amendment64 · 2024-12-29T05:24:19+00:00

Man makes broad statement about large group of people while providing no evidence. More at 11.

NoShortMen4Me · 2024-12-29T05:13:12+00:00

I’m not sure how you expect the “all women are flawed and their unrealistic standards are to blame for my lack of a dating life” narrative to be taken seriously.

Level up and stop expecting people to settle.

DiligentRope · 2024-12-29T05:41:21+00:00

I wouldn't say it's exactly mainstream, there has been a caricature of RP made into a boogyman and attacked, meanwhile still taking many talking points from RP and pushed in mainstream and social media under different labels.

cornersfatly · 2024-12-29T07:02:40+00:00

Trust me guys, everyone secretly believes in MY fringe religion. Major world events are actually secret signs intended solely for me that confirm I've been right about everything all along, and everyone I've talked to has been convinced into following it because it's just so objectively true and correct. Soon the entire world will wake up and I'll be loved and important and in charge. You'll see. You'll all see!!!!

G4M35 · 2024-12-29T05:58:27+00:00

IMO some of TRP principles have permeated the current culture, mostly unbeknownst that they were ~~originated~~ adopted by TRP. Only Red Pillers recognize them out there, while everyone else is oblivious about the parallels/overlaps of some of today's thinking with TRP.

Cuture evolves, borrowing from everywhere.

nowhereman5111 · 2024-12-29T05:17:12+00:00

Alot of people on reddit are waking up to alot of things. But the truth is people on reddit are weirdos. Normal people dont think or even know what red pill is or man v bear or any of the other shit people talk about on here

PracticalControl2179 · 2024-12-29T05:13:18+00:00

Men are the ones who claim this is a fringe belief system.

For years I have been “red pilled” to men’s nature, and the truth about how they view women and dating. For years I have seen the hatred spewed towards women online. I understand that men are polygynous, sex crazed, hypergamous, and vengeful based on what the red pill men say about men.

Whenever I say “well according to red pill men, this is the belief” a bunch of men shoot me down and insist that TRP is a fringe belief system.

For example, when I said that men want to propose to women with a dirty ring pop behind a bar parking lot and multiple men called me names and said I would die alone and am overly demanding for saying you could get a $15 ring on Amazon and propose at a park, I was told TRP is a fringe set of beliefs and that these men are fringe people. I don’t believe this is fringe. I believe this is mainstream.

Another example is that I got called a lazy, useless, unhygienic gold digger for wanting to be a homemaker. Again, men say this is a fringe belief. But I have seen it so much that I believe this is mainstream.

Klutzy_Charge9130 · 2024-12-31T20:13:12+00:00

In my experience women are more red pill in their choices and attitudes than the facade they put up.

EricAllonde · 2024-12-29T07:26:37+00:00

I’m sympathetic to some of your complaints, but I think this claim is quite a stretch.

EssentialPurity · 2024-12-29T18:28:04+00:00

The Bolsheviks were the fringes of Imperial Russian society and then October happened, the Little Apple's sides were green and Kolchak was ordered not to go further the Urals, and the rest is History.

Status Quo's bootlickers are not famous for being good judges of social sentiments. They would be radicals if they knew anything about the real world.

Germanaboo · 2024-12-29T08:23:16+00:00

The majority of people who date won't have any Pill ideas, because why would people who already succeeded in something waste their time talking about the reality of dating on a niche website? You won't find many people in real life stating that women only go after the 10% of men. You won't find many people who care about the wall or that you become a Women's player by a bit of self improvment and reacting the age of 30.

And neither do the majority of people think that by having a personality. No one will say that a 5'5 Indian janitor will slay through 500 women a week just because he cracks some jokes on his expense.

Certain elements of pills can be widespread, there is no denying that. There will be people who know that charisma plays a large role in dating. But most people will not think by just being a good person women will flock over them, that a geniunly hidious person for most women will suddenly become attractive becaus ehe shows confidence There will also be people who know that Looks matter, but no one seriously thinks you have to have a edgy jawline, 6 Packs, hunter eyes and be 6 foot foot tall to get ANY women to.be attracted to you. Most people will not see a 30 year old women as a desperate leftover.

They arw not mainstream and never will. Redpill, bluepill and whatever pill are merely wishful realities, by terminally online people projecting their worldview on dating.

The only pill I say which has some actual serious traction outside the internet is the blackpill (altough I wouldn't call it mainstream), but maybe these people are just more open about it as it's less associated with incels than the redpill and being a doomer became also an online trend.

Difficult_Falcon1022 · 2024-12-29T13:55:26+00:00

Is this based on anything you experience irl? Personally I'd know nothing of this were it not for talking online to strangers.

Solondthewookiee · 2024-12-29T05:55:10+00:00

Red pillers are still a minority, however I can't deny that red pill stupidity has seeped into mainstream, especially among Gen Z and Gen Alpha men and boys. Eventually, I think most will recognize how dumb it is, but hopefully the damage done by then can be repaired.

Muscletov · 2024-12-29T09:04:47+00:00

Depends on the definition of TRP.

If it's the "light" definition that has become dominant in recent years, i.e. relatively general ideas about women being shallow and mainly responding to looks, money, status: Yes, this has become much more popular, but still isn't quite mainstream.

Birthday_Personal · 2024-12-29T04:49:18+00:00

It's definitely true that men are waking up but it's not all trp. Mixture of red pill, purple pill and passport bros. Men are getting familiar with women's nature, especially as they display it on social media.

notmyrealnamepapi · 2024-12-29T09:20:34+00:00

Thankfully, I've never met a red pill man in real life or heard someone talk about it in real life. It's not known here

KikiYuyu · 2024-12-29T05:12:48+00:00

TRP is the flat earth of sex and dating. Both have been noisier lately, but normal people all think you're nuts. No normal person talks about "SMV" or ask questions like "Can women even feel love?"

catdog8020 · 2024-12-29T08:02:18+00:00

I am a millennial and every generation Z female has heard of red pill lingo (which is really anthropology and evolutionary psychology terminology- alpha male, mate poaching, beta male, hypergamy, money branching).

Ok, I am actively trying to do my own research to understand why most women are aversive and indifferent to men. Essentially, it’s actually true “women really don’t need men”. So far women are not motivated enough by sex to pursue men (ironically). They are actually ok with masterbation and being alone than be with a guy that ain’t Superman, Chad and Clark Kent combined. This chad will even be rejected if he’s not careful in his OLD approaches.

Men need to realize - yes it’s almost my conclusion that the following hypothesis may be true for most women in America although this is definitely more directed at generation Z females and younger millennials). These could also be some additional hypotheses as to why red pill is mainstream. This mainly applies to women in urban and suburban environments.

1). Women are scared of men and don’t trust them and don’t feel safe with them in unfamiliar environments 2). Woman have Lower sex drives and content with being sexually satisfied with self-stimulation over normal sexual activity with a man.
3). Homosexual women are increasingly becoming normalized 4). Women don’t prioritize men or a relationship due to having a plethora of options for dating and sex 5). A specific type of men has become more sexualized (alpha male) and normalized as the acceptable standard for casual dating and long term dating. 6) OLD and social media has eliminated and/or reduced females ability to send effective choosing signals with potential mates in real life. 7). Average Men are experiencing learned helplessness when it comes to initiating a conversation and a relationship with a woman.
8) choice paralysis and choice overload is causing women to leave the dating market for a longer period than expected.

flipsidetroll · 2024-12-29T06:26:15+00:00

Believing that your searches and channels shown on various platforms are what the majority of people are looking at? All you have to do is speak to people in rl. All you have to do is look at how the various content creators’ numbers and followers don’t change up much. All you have to do is actively search the information debunking the red pill. You are behaving exactly like people in a cult, unable to hear any information outside of their radical views.

No, it’s not mainstream. And there were plenty of women who voted trump too. I’m not American but I would have voted for him too if I was. But I’m definitely no believer in the red pill. So the comment about the number of men who voted trump being proof of tRp is so delusional and kind of sad in its solipsism.

ZennedGame · 2024-12-31T22:06:17+00:00

The red pill is no more than reality. Life is the proof. Women prove it for us every day, over and over, whether they realize it or not.

Equal_Connect · 2024-12-29T13:44:45+00:00

I feel like historically trp is how most relationships went. Now in America at least, the vast majority of women dont rely on men anymore so I think dating has gotten no pilled and people choose to have partners for their own enjoyment,

Agitated-Heart9140 · 2024-12-29T14:47:12+00:00

So date a trans woman then like me teehee

Kurkzer · 2024-12-29T05:20:09+00:00

As dating becomes more difficult, women more bitchy and more men are funneled onto the apps which show womens natural nature on overdrive, you will continue to see TRP gain.

Women like to strawman that TRPers are obese highschool dropouts since its a low hanging fruit to attack instead of acknowledging dating has become exponentially more difficult and women have become exponentially lower quality.

ThatBitchA · 2024-12-29T05:02:57+00:00

RP still is a fringe minority.

It's not mainstream. And it's not helping men in any way. It's creating angrier men.

People have been using RP to grift and swindle men desperately seeking Stacy for decades. It's not new, it's not gaining popularity. It's just a fresh batch of 20-somethings entering adulthood. And those who are desperate are preyed upon.

No-Breath6663 · 2024-12-29T05:01:25+00:00

The red pill is so mainstream that the people I meet on the day to day make references to it, and my girlfriend new what it was in great detail before we met. (And hated it a lot)

It's still objectively incorrect about a series of things that have been debunked ad nauseum (such as the 80-20 rule and more)

So it's best to not follow its principles unless it's getting money and learning charisma and going to the gym. Other than that, the ideas can be thrown out.

SkinnerBoxBaddie · 2024-12-29T05:30:32+00:00

Most normal men don’t spend all day griping on social media, bc you know, they’re busy enjoying time with their wives and girlfriends

-Kalos · 2024-12-29T05:31:19+00:00

The majority of men see red pill content as whiny antisocial content. Y’all need to talk to your daddy about women, not some grifters online

Podlubnyi · 2024-12-29T17:22:06+00:00

I don't think Red Pill itself is going mainstream. If you mentioned Red Pill to the average person, they'd probably think you were referring to The Matrix.

But some of its tenets are mainstream. See the plummeting marriage rate, and the growing awareness among men that feminism is both hostile and harmful to men.

Sharp_Engineering379 · 2024-12-29T05:08:11+00:00

Nah, there is a huge faction of men on social media making fun of red pill men and warning them to back off and leave women in peace.

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Banestar66 · 2024-12-29T22:30:30+00:00

It always has been as is pink pill for women. There was a brief decadeish long point between 2012 and 2022 where it wasn’t socially acceptable to say you believed these ideas but they’ve always been popular in one form or another.

VWGUYWV · 2024-12-30T14:24:29+00:00

Most men just don’t talk about it

People have this weird thing where if someone doesn’t disagree with them openly (but also does not actively agree) then they assume the person does agree with them

Imissjuicewrld999 · 2024-12-31T04:04:14+00:00

lol what is "mainstream" to you?

InfiniteIncident · 2024-12-29T18:44:16+00:00

It isn't men waking up to the "truth", it's a select group of men wallowing in their confirmation biases and collectively circle jerking to make themselves feel better about their own issues.

DoubleFistBishh · 2024-12-29T04:40:23+00:00

Haha no. No it isn't and most the ones who happen to stumble upon red pill content laugh and call them whiny bitches lol

WebBorn2622 · 2024-12-29T11:15:45+00:00

Sexism is and has always been mainstream. It has just gotten more violent due to radicalization from the internet.

A bunch of people agreeing with you doesn’t make your perspective more right or your cause more justified.

Hosj_Karp · 2024-12-30T01:21:14+00:00

This is true. It's not good.

ScottHeatley · 2024-12-29T10:38:36+00:00

I accidentally ran across a sort of red pill woman page one time. The comments were almost word for word the same as men's red pill pages. Just swap the word woman for man. Who's right? It all seems like a bunch of wounded people validating their biases.

Honestly this isn't new stuff. Tom Lykkis was doing this in the 90s. He would outright say it was for ratings.

Also, there is no "modern women"- those types have always existed. As it is, as it's always been.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-12-29T14:13:08+00:00

Social media uses an algorithm to constantly feed fringe subjects to fringe followers to make money

The rest of the world has no idea what RP is and the ones that do are laughing at anyone following grifters and “influencers”

RP is a joke. Always has been

“After 14 years the only thing the RedPill was able to do was to get perpetually online dudes to spend all their time talking about the RP. Online”

Technical_End9162 · 2024-12-29T13:28:47+00:00

It’s getting more mainstream but that isn’t a good thing, it’s like when toxic modern feminism went mainstream in my generation

The purple pill going mainstream would be good though, since it’s a discussion (not “the truth”) and the purple pill is close to the truth

DzejSiDi · 2024-12-29T15:57:05+00:00

I have no idea what to say, from one point of view f**king here like 50% of people have little clue what TRP is (and what is not). On the other hand, Gen Alpha adpopted part of incelosphere lingo and use it of daily basis.

Redpill got already dumbed down, people talking about redpill fail even at concepts as simple as "the wall". Some parts got super widely adopted, I think almost every other young person have heard what "Chad" is.

I know only one place where TRP is the mainstream... among relationship/dating coaches, regardless of gender, they throw redpills left and rights. At worst are heavly purplepilled, at least from those I've checked in my free time.

Freevoulous · 2024-12-29T19:15:17+00:00

You are right for the wrong reasons. Most men are RP because most men are from cultures that were never BP to begin with. Take note that most men are Asian, specifically Chinese and Indian, everybody else is a footnote in comparison.

Alternative_Chain330 · 2024-12-29T12:57:23+00:00

It is popular with teenage boys. If those boys grow up to still believe it, then I would be concerned.

However there's still a good chance they will just live life and grow out of it.

I've seen fads coming and go throughout the years.

Title	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects
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