Women's standards are giving men body dysmorphia

2manyltrnmoths · 2022-09-27T20:25:13+00:00

Agree there is a huge number of undiagnosed eating disorders/ body dysmorphia in men. If a guy does a brutal workout and puts himself on an insanely harsh diet, he's being healthy and working hard. If a woman does it, she has an ED and needs immediate help.

Disagree it is caused by solely women. Many/ most women find huge bodybuilder level roided up, bulging veins, freakish huge muscles gross. Just as men find Auschwitz skinny women gross.

JMO but EDs tend to be inspired and fed within genders. Look at any anorexia board it's women commenting on other women. They literally have contests to see who can outstarve each other. Men have similar subcultures online (like r/moreplatesmoredates) but it's for getting ripped.

userhasleftchat · 2022-09-27T19:10:44+00:00

Uhhh these are not dad bods. Those guys are fit.

Roxenoff · 2022-09-27T20:22:21+00:00

Nah, I think it is the fitness industry (via Instagram) and certain action/superhero etc films setting that "standard", not women. Most of these movie stars are on gear to get those physiques in the timespan they do. With the male fitness influencers on Instagram, if their career depends on looking big and shredded, you can guarantee most of them are on steroids to achieve that. Instagram is promoting a lot of unrealistic physiques to nattys who won't get those looks without drugs.

Chrissyboy1980 · 2022-09-28T10:28:04+00:00

This is copied from another post I answered about needing the muscles to attract hot women on dating apps, and it's 100% relevant to this thread.

So you are a nice guy with an average looking body, average looking face, average height etc. You go on virtually any dating app, create the best worded profile, stay on there for 6 months, and get absolutely nothing but the odd extremely unattractive woman sending you a “Hi, how's you?".

You sit around with a puzzled look on your face and Google something like “Do you need a muscular physique these days to get the attention of attractive women?” You notice all over internet forums women are saying “Ewww I don't like men showing off their big muscles in the gym mirror, gross!” “I prefer a Dad bod, as men with muscles are just intimidating. I just always ignore or block them.” Many men on these forums say they are lying, so you are still left puzzled.

You then decide to create a catfish profile of a strong jawlined, 6ft tall, hot muscular shirtless bad boy with a well defined 6pack. You word the profile appallingly, far worse and (what you think is) more of a turn off than your own, and then you sit and wait. Bang, 3 hours later - hundreds upon hundreds of inbox messages from the most highly attractive women you wouldn't stand a hope in hell of getting so much as a “hello" from on your own profile. They message you the most provocative things you never thought they would. All desperate to hook up with you asap or even get to know you more. You see them showing an interest like you've never experienced being you. What they say on chat forums is all just a blatant cover up, because they feel they have to lie due to the standards of society. Women will NEVER admit to being as shallow as men.

This IS what actually happens. I've seen the experiments done time and time again to emphasize my point. So in that case, you sure as hell have your answer: You definitely NEED the muscles. NEVER listen to what women say, but watch how they act. If you argue with what they say they want however, you are classed as a misogynistic incel who doesn't listen to what women want. Women act this way because they CAN. Mainstream society takes their side, always, always, always. It's like that, and that's the way it is.. sorry to break it to you.

In a nutshell, women are requiring so much muscle these days on men that it is indeed causing them body dysmorphia.

BaiKingu · 2022-09-27T22:48:28+00:00

Gay men suffer from rates of anorexia, body dysmophia and eating disorders at around 5 times the rate of straight men so what does that tell you.

TotalTravesty · 2022-09-27T19:39:54+00:00

Buddy, if you’ve got a body like that then you’re doing fine. Just maintain it and consider that maybe there’s something else wrong with you.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2022-09-27T19:45:29+00:00

They were considered well-built, with normal BMI ranges, and normal body fat levels.

They still would be.

Now the women here would call this "dad bod" or "skinny fat".

Uh…show me.

as there is something wrong with just having a slim figure

With the rise of the obesity epidemic, I can assure you there are NOT just two options for a man’s physique, consisting of skinny and muscular.

K3ZH39 · 2022-09-27T20:29:58+00:00

Lol is this a joke? who is calling those men dad bod or skinny fat? Is this coming from a fellow american?

Almost all americans are fat, come on. We have the best fat people. it's patriotic at this point

MoMoney_MoHoes · 2022-09-27T20:49:10+00:00

There's no way you get or hang out arround women lol. No woman would call those dad bods. Secondly, getting jacked gets you more attention from other men than from women. That's not to say women dislike muscles.

SoIlikeMangos · 2022-09-27T20:09:14+00:00

Nah gym bros are giving themselves body dysmorphia

thetruthishere_ · 2022-09-27T19:52:35+00:00

When did lean fit men become dad bods? None of them have a dad bod.

neutralhumanbody · 2022-09-27T19:24:14+00:00

This is not based in reality.

Glass_Bucket · 2022-09-27T19:28:55+00:00

Women's standards

The ideal for women is lean with a decent amount of muscle, nothing too crazy. The huge roided out bodybuilder types only mostly appeals to other men

Mydragonurdungeon · 2022-09-27T19:23:57+00:00

This sounds like when women complain about men preferring women with makeup to when they don't. People prioritizing looks does mean the threshold for looking good goes up, and that the standard may get harsher for some.

Yeah, it sucks that people feel bad about their appearance, but it's just a natural consequence people actually being able to go for what they find hot instead of any ol joe just to survive.

Personally, I like thinner guys or lean guys. Thin doesn't mean he has to have muscle. Some muscle's nice, but I'm not really concerned about if he's ripped or not.

I do think the some of the guys there have "dad bod". Dad bod is, by google's definition, when a guy who used to be very fit gets a layer of fat or "chub" on his body that makes it kinda soft and plush. I know several women who love that. It's like men who love curvy women or when they're soft.

Are there women who was exclusively jacked dudes? Of course. But it's not like that's everyone's preference.

AidsVictim · 2022-09-27T20:47:00+00:00

Handsome face (pretty much all the celebrities in that photo) and not fat is enough for 90% of women. Unfortunately "handsome face" in modern standards is a small minority of men so men try to compete through body fitness. Contrary to what's often posted by women here however it does work to a degree.

2022-09-27T19:30:22+00:00

I wouldn’t personally call those guys “dad bod,” or even skinny fat. Almost all of them are clearly quite fit and would be considered as such.

Setting that aside, there have of course been shifts in beauty standards, for both men and women. Trends of the 1970s generally emphasized very natural aesthetics in both face and body compared to what we’re used to now.

In the 1980s, that started shifting to almost the opposite: fitness for both sexes, tons of makeup for women, ridiculous hypertrophy for men. Things have gone back and forth and fragmented a bit since then, but certainly the North American celebrity ideal for males now is a way more built physique than it was in previous decades. (Though I think that’s starting to shift back the other way.)

Why? I tend to be of the mind that the evolution of physique standards for men tends to be at least as much due to media that promotes male self-insert fantasy as it is to the female gaze. (I think this is true to a similar extent for female beauty standards too — they’re quite influenced by trends amongst women, more than men.)

But I think the bigger factor is also generally due to a trend towards elevating near-unattainability in beauty ideals for both sexes, which has ramped up as media has saturated our lives way more than it used to. Media elevates looks that are basically impossible to achieve for most of us. Even for the celebrities that tend to embody those standards it’s not sustainable — many actors with the best physiques don’t maintain it when not filming.

Ultimately, unattainability as a beauty standard is good for the consumer market — it keeps you buying all sorts of shit to try to get there. I think that’s the overarching driver, in the end.

At any rate, I don’t think it really reflects either sex’s IRL “standards” for the other too closely. IRL, most women would see those guys from the 70s you posted as being quite fit.

Busy-Record-420 · 2022-09-27T20:12:04+00:00

...and somehow most men are in significantly worse shape than they are, and somehow most men can get laid unlike OP. Maybe it's not women?

modidlee · 2022-09-27T20:17:29+00:00

“Social media” is not women. Maybe it’s the health and exercise industries pushing men to try to get a physique that’s only possible with a gym membership and drugs. But women, from my experience, have always been ok with guys with average bodies. And the women who aren’t? Do you really want to date them anyway???

h1shman · 2022-09-27T19:19:09+00:00

My body shits on every single dude pictured. Feelsgoodman.jpeg

But in all seriousness most of the girl I know would find these bodies very appealing. This is fit and sexy and most women don’t expect a guy with a steroid fueled physique

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2022-09-27T19:33:41+00:00

Not sure if It's just women. I don't think men would be watching any marvel movies if the men looked like these ones posted.

The wierd thing is that even athletes back then didn't look for by today's standards.

2022-09-27T20:23:59+00:00

There is an argument to be made that men are expected to be larger and more muscular now (compare football players now to ones from the 1930s) in some areas, and there’s an argument that men now have a more feminine look in some ways (ie, no body hair) but those are separate. The men in the photos are considered fit to all but a tiny sliver of women. If you want that sliver, by all means adjust your physique.

Edit: the pic of Paul Newman appears to be from Cool Hand Luke, and one of the complaints about the movie was the prisoners all looked too muscular and well-fed.

TheRedPillRipper · 2022-09-27T21:41:26+00:00

obsessed with extreme fitness

Why it’s interesting is because it’s extreme. So from Matt Fraser, to Big Ramy, or even just the fit dad on Insta; it’s interesting. It’s also only an obsession, for an exclusive few.

Every guy is being told to “hit the gym”

This mentality predates modern times.

”“No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

~ Socrates

Any physique that takes discipline to acquire, is attractive.

Ultimately it’s a matter of choice. You either want to see what you’re capable of, or you don’t.

Godspeed and good luck!

iPatrickDev · 2022-09-27T22:08:58+00:00

They are not dad-bods or skinny fats, they are literally fit. Although I agree "ideal" sexually attractive picture of men has changed throughout the years but it's also the same for women. There was a time when obese was considered sexy, there was a time when really skinny was considered sexy, and so on. Preference is still personal now, just like it was earlier.

HuMMHallelujah · 2022-09-27T20:58:49+00:00

lol you sir do not look like a young Paul Newman

hostility_kitty · 2022-09-28T01:59:34+00:00

I like ‘em skinny and scrawny

Easteuroblondie · 2022-10-01T06:51:49+00:00

Lmao, welcome to the tiniest taste of womanhood!

HazyMemory7 · 2022-09-28T08:15:07+00:00

Bit of a complex topic. Women play a role, but so do the absurd amount of people using steroids and not being honest about it.

poppy_blu · 2022-09-27T23:44:55+00:00

The same way mens standards have given women body dysmorphia for the last 10k years.

Welcome to the club.

🎻

bonita_chiquita · 2022-09-27T19:52:47+00:00

These guys are fit.

What’s happened in terms of physiques in 40-60 years is the fact that tons more research has been done in all fields of athleticism resulting in people having the knowledge to literally create the physique they want.

Edited to add: what was considered to be a fit looking body looks different than todays “fit looking” body.

BecretAlbatross · 2022-09-27T22:29:29+00:00

This is insane cap. You're projecting. All of these guys would be attractive to women today.

KayRay1994 · 2022-09-27T20:07:49+00:00

not to be that guy but men’s standards have kinda been doing that to women for decades - it seems as if as men we should be be making the mistake of pointing fingers now that a hollywood-ified body image is effecting everyone, maybe instead of pretending it is gender specific we should call out the fact that unrealistic body standards effect everyone’s perception of those around them?

Siukslinis_acc · 2022-09-27T19:18:07+00:00

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Stop_Maximum · 2022-09-27T19:11:38+00:00

Dad bods are nice 😕

doggiedoc2004 · 2022-09-27T20:28:36+00:00

Welcome to the club men. I’ve had body dysmorphia my whole life due to weight issues. Most women I know have had or have body dysmorphia due to incessant commercialization and commodification of the female form for all of human history.

Truth_Sellah_Seekah · 2022-09-27T20:05:05+00:00

haahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaahahahah

Is it just me but these posts of late seem to have been created by the same A.I (even though, it's not artificial intelligence here but rather artefact intelligence, because appears to be nonexistent)

asperges_me_domine · 2022-09-27T20:00:53+00:00

As someone relatively in to a well-kept dadbod, I wouldn't say a single one of those dudes is an example. Almost every single one has been, or still is, a sex icon... two Bonds, the Hof, nary an unworked bicep or trap in sight. The only difference is that working different muscle groups is in fashion right now as apposed to then. I don't think anyone would disagree that they are all incredibly fit.

bunnakay · 2022-09-27T20:43:11+00:00

None of those men have dad bods. They're all fit, and not roided out (for the most part).

catniagara · 2022-09-27T21:06:42+00:00

You’re saying there are no actors in 2022 who have a slim or fat body type or who are plain, weird looking, ugly, or just less than Chris Evans level fit, and that this is womens fault…let’s unpack that.

Most actors don’t have the body type you’re talking about. The ones who do, like Dwayne “the Rock” Johnson, Vin Diesel, and I actually can’t think of a third example, are action stars who predominantly work in men’s media. I think they each made one childrens movie, both comedies, and Vin’s was a flop. I mean it made money, but not enough for a sequel. Dwayne’s kids film has one rotten tomato. I think it’s fair to say neither one of them is popular to the level of Jason Biggs whose movies routinely gross in the 250+ million dollar range when he clearly knows his way around a carbohydrate. Or Seann William Scott who….I just found out Seann William Scott is built. I need the r/eyewashstation.

shudder

Well MAYBE he’s built. I think where we’ve really surpassed the 70s is in the area of technology. And makeup.

Fake abs are pretty common in Hollywood films and on instagram stars. Faking a body type is so easy that pretty much any idiot can do it with their phone.

Are men most affected by the body dysmorphia produced by viewing faked images? Or faked bodies, as the case may be: plastic surgery is also on the rise

It’s not men who are disproportionately affected by the rise in faked images and surgical modifications. The rise in plastic surgery is driven by women under 45. There has been an increase in body dysmorphia overall because of online images that “normalize” these body types, but women are affected by it more often than men.

But we’re talking about actors. Not regular people. Is Hollywood’s standard of beauty driven by women?

Statistically, the jury is out. 73% of casting directors are women but only 23% of film directors are. In most cases (especially in the case of the films you watch) it’s unlikely that a woman had the final say in the character aesthetic or how the action played out on screen. Around 70% of film producers are male, so women didn’t choose which scripts to produce or movies to make, generally. Script writers are a pretty even split.

My conclusion is that is makes more sense to say “the Hollywood standard of beauty that has always been an issue for women has started being applied to men, and they are beginning to be similarly effected by it.

Or “I wish models and actors had more realistic body types.”

I think they’d like that too. A lot of them are quitting because it’s just too painful to be at the gym all the time, and people naturally lose muscle mass and gain fat as they age. An amazing actor like RDJ shouldn’t feel like he has to retire because he can’t perform a role anymore.

In my opinion the move toward these body types has been driven by men and male culture. Specifically nerd culture: the obsession with comic books and video games that have always portrayed over the top musculature and ridiculous body types similar in form to statues of Roman gods. So technically it’s 3,000 year old body trauma driven by any era when fitness and health are considered more important than hamburger sales.

My moms generation didn’t have actors like that because my mom’s generation was more obsessed with sex, drugs, rock n roll, unhealthy habits like smoking and drinking, and the body types those behaviours caused. They don’t call it a “beer belly” or “pot belly” for nothing 😂

rantsincognito · 2022-09-28T01:34:24+00:00

While your title is accurate, your post isn't completely accurate because it doesn't have all that much to do with physique, unless you're with a social media obsessed type of women (which to be fair is a sizable plurality of women below 50 these days IME). It has more to do with height. These days women are calling men who are 6' "too short". I regularly hear legit 5'10'' men being called "too short".

prizefighterstudent · 2022-09-28T03:17:48+00:00

Women are the choosers -- men will do what it takes to get laid. Men will rarely complain about this unless they're getting scraps. It's a fundamental difference between men and women -- men understand that what they bring to the table is all that matters. Adversely, women can never complain enough about the expectations men have for them.

Thiccsmartie · 2022-09-28T09:26:10+00:00

Nah this is exactly what women like

dissident_right · 2022-09-28T10:02:26+00:00

I still think the 'Shaun Connery physique' is the ideal for most women. It's not 'Women's standards here' it's mostly hollwood pushing the (obviously chemically enhanced) hyper-muscular body.

Flightlessbirbz · 2022-09-28T18:52:11+00:00

Every one of these bodies looks attractive and healthy to me. Most are pretty close to what I’d consider ideal for a man. You sure it’s women who are causing this and not the fitness industry and (mostly male-run) media? Pay attention to the male celebs men admire vs the ones women do. The ones men like tend to be much more unrealistically muscular.

dmttao · 2022-10-03T01:27:46+00:00

But our fathers, grandfathers, great grandfathers spent the last few decades obsessing over one very particular part of sex and women - physical beauty.

They literally saturated our society and culture with it, promoted that as basically the one and only value, or at least the very best thing about sex with women by FAR.

Not so much as a whisper of any point to sex beyond that and maybe having a baby at some point. By many mens own admission, the visual element, the way sex LOOKS and of course the “fertility” and visible beauty of a woman - they’re the only thing that really matters.

Now you’re scratching your head as to why women are beginning to over value and over prioritise the same things in sex, as our male ancestors did? And as many of you still do?

Could there really have been any other outcome? You realise women developed body dysmorphia and lacked confidence until fairly recently too, right? As a result of the brutally harsh perceptions and critiques of womens bodies? And our ancestors laughably absurd and hypocritical standards?

Stop throwing your hands jn the air and acting like nothing can do done to fix this. If you don’t want sex and relationships to be based on unfair superficial arbitrary standards - then start looking for the (multiple!!!!) other good qualities beneath the surface in your fellow human beings. And in yourself.

It’s actually not that hard. It was unfair and damaging back then, and it’s unfair and damaging now. Doesn’t matter which gender is seemingly copping it worst currently.

The fact that X% of women care purely about height or looks is completely irrelevant to you - if there is anything else of value to offer, anything you really like about yourself. shit, anything else you value in other humans/life.

If life seems shallow and unfair to you, it’s a reflection of your OWN narrow perspective of our value and beauty as humans. And your own expectations and beliefs about sexuality being out of whack.

How things work for Chad has absolutely zero to do with how it works overall, for most people. So stop comparing yourself to a symbol of how you WISH sexuality operated…… and accept how it actually IS for the majority of us.

IcarusKiki · 2022-09-27T22:13:05+00:00

sure its womens standards and not their overusage of porn?

hungrychick404 · 2022-09-28T00:28:18+00:00

By that logic, men have been giving women a lot more body dysmorphia for a lot longer.

I think I would blame most of it on social media and marketing. However, it would be great if everyone could care less about appearance

professorXhadadream · 2022-09-28T01:09:18+00:00

Nah bro. Men are giving each other body dismorphia.

Women are quite content with dad bods & the physiques above.

sparklyyblueberryy · 2022-09-28T01:59:34+00:00

A lot of male beauty standards and male muscularity has not developed because women find it more attractive, but to intimidate other men. Muscular male physiques being praised is almost always from other men. Nobody would call that skinny fat. Dad bod I don’t know, I haven’t heard it and it might just be a countermeasure to men misunderstanding what muscular means when we women still mean a ”normal” (but fit) body. Never called it that though and usually women here say they like athletic to clarify.

These men look fit to me, and it’s close to What I consider ideal male physique.

mandoa_sky · 2022-09-28T02:28:26+00:00

in other news: water is wet.

it works the other way too

Isolation_Man · 2022-09-28T03:15:48+00:00

I've been saying this for years. Only the top of the genetic male hierarchy has easy access to sex, while most men fight for the leftovers, one part of that fight is faking genetic superiority by exercise. If women didn't have absurdly high standards gyms would be almost empty, as they were 30 years ago.

Ok-Blacksmith-9418 · 2022-09-28T03:54:54+00:00

Welcome to what men have given women since the dawn of time 🤦‍♀️

Coolio_Street_Racer · 2022-09-27T20:40:19+00:00

Just make a tinder with an actor's body from that era and you will see he will get very maybe a 2% like to match compared to a modern fitness guy who will be at 10% like to match. Except maybe a few of them who are pretty lean and genetically blessed..

But of course not women still love these bodies and the standard hasn't increased at all."YoUr pErSoNaLiTy iS ThE PrObLeM" /s

The amount of women who say "I like men skinny and looking like they are gonna die" etc is just insane. I don't mind it. But don't bitch about objectifying women when I don't want to date a fat chick. I'd still treat her with decency, but I wouldn't date her.

AstronautLoveShack · 2022-09-28T00:05:15+00:00

Those are not dad bods.

Women’s standards aren’t causing anything. You guys are the ones who parrot “lift!” While there are women who like a buff, muscular physique, there are plenty of others who don’t care about that and just want an average dude.

Ohmaygahh · 2022-09-27T20:20:42+00:00

Those guys are trash, where is zyzz and the King of Aesthetic club , Frank Zane?

mistressusa · 2022-09-27T20:24:01+00:00

Those men were HOT!! These days my girls think Harry Styles and Tom Holland are hot. Sheesh...

Pizdamati6969 · 2022-09-27T22:19:01+00:00

Going to the gym is not even enough if you want to stand out. Look at all those roided teenagers on social media.

xzpw · 2022-09-27T22:29:02+00:00

Tbh - I think some of those guys have a pretty good physique. The skinnier ones like Clint Eastwood and Elvis wouldn’t do well today. The fat ones like Jack Nicholson wouldn’t do well either.

But you got dudes with visible abs in some of those and quite developed chests in others. Many have arms that don’t look skinny even if they’re probably just mostly fat and not actually muscle.

Like almost no women would drool over Bruce Willis but he’d be passable/acceptable for many women in that photo. Some of the blonde dudes in there have pretty good physique.

I’d say overall - most of these men are above average for body physique. Whether that’s enough to get women to notice you online - doubtful. I think you need to be quite aesthetically pleasing physically (developed much more than average one in those photos - the gym would need to be your hobby) or have a nice face to succeed with online (genetics). So, to that extent I agree with you.

But online is bs and 90% of us will never get anywhere with it even with a fit (not muscular or ripped) physique - so is it worth considering? You can’t ever pass with it - so why obsess over it unless you need something exceptional you’d only find online…?

It’s like needing G cups to get noticed for online at this point. It’s gonna be genetics mostly whether that happens or not.

sidforever · 2022-09-28T01:25:29+00:00

Uh no, that’s the male gaze.

Blaphrodite · 2022-09-28T03:25:49+00:00

Those are not dad bods.

Those proudly calling themselves dad bod would still be fat and fugly by 1970 standards.

Them dad bod lovers can have them

Blightning421 · 2022-09-28T04:09:31+00:00

How is every argument against this post basically just: "no you're wrong, you don't talk to women/live in reality"?

At best its antidotal arguments that make the writer feel better, at worst its completely disingenuous gaslighting

If you want to actually prove OP wrong, you're going to have to prove that you even understand Male beauty standards. Just saying "no you're wrong cuz that's not what I see incel" only ends up proving OP right

For fucks sake people

RealAmericanWeasel · 2022-09-27T19:53:37+00:00

Haha. This is ridiculous. Your appearance is your appearance. I don’t think many guys give it a second thought. I’m not sure where these types of guys are coming from.

Master-Edward-3 · 2022-09-27T20:12:18+00:00

Yeah right. Those that think these are fit and not dad bods ought to see what happens when you create the OLD profile with these photos or rather what does not happen.

Those are the dad bods of today because there was another thread posted here that revealed a dad bod to be a male somewhat fit body with a bit of pudge like a long retired athlete..and something of the Rock 🪨 Micheal B Jordan, and Chris Evans is considered halfway decently attractive and even he or they would be ignored on the regular if not for the looming fame and fortune. Hahaha 🤪

Euphemia006 · 2022-09-27T21:17:04+00:00

And op, in all honesty, you believe that men standards do not give women body dysmorphia

Euphemia006 · 2022-09-27T21:18:19+00:00

And op, in all honesty, you believe that men standards do not give women body dysmorphia?

gate18 · 2022-09-27T21:54:02+00:00

I don't think you're beef here is about women but about Hollywood

Hugh Jackman doesn't flex for women, he flexes for men!! Search "hugh jackman men's magazine vs women's"

In the women's magazine, he looks like the people you linked to.

Fitness is a business, They want your money so they advertise to you. Simple as that.

Take the other angle "plastic surgery"

How many women undergo plastic surgery for men? Really. How many men would genuinely give a fuck? How many men would be like "My gash, I love this girl but if only she eliminated that little wrinkle on the left side of her temple, it's not really visible but whenever I give her a kiss it turns me off. Honestly, I'm thinking of going full incel if I have to sit with another woman that don't have a facelift."

(some bro is going to be like "yeah dude, women are shallow" :) )

These companies want your money so they pay these stars to sell you that life.

CatchPhraze · 2022-09-28T00:26:13+00:00

Why is Hollywood, that's run by men, staring men, and produced for men a "woman's standards" issue?

billieshakes11 · 2022-09-27T20:38:37+00:00

I disagree. What's causing body dysmorphia isn't women's standards, it's cultural secrecy around women's sexual selection. If you are familiar with men who have sex often, you will see there is a big variation in how those guys look. Many of them aren't in great shape, they're just not overweight. The issue is that absent PROOF (meaning men who actually get laid discussing their experiences and sharing best practices) that you don't have to be a TikTok chad to get laid, men will assume the men who get the most attention are who they need to replicate. When the reality is that a lot of sex goes on behind the scenes that women don't talk about. And to be quite honest, women keep everything secret when it comes to sex. Not just their partner counts, but what they actually look for when deciding to sleep with a guy, what makes them decide to go through with it vs. not. Women lie or keep secret EVERY SINGLE THING when it comes to sex. EVERYTHING.

The most useful thing for most men when it comes to dating isn't to go to the gym, or self-improve. It's to find a way to see who women are actually having sex with. The best way is to see proof and talk to guys who get laid, but another way could be having female friends or something like that.

A common theme I've noticed among other seasoned players is that many of us never truly get to being in really great shape. We have periods of weight loss where we look normal in clothes, but that's it a lot of the time. Why? Because we know we don't truly need to have a TikTok worthy body to get laid. And so it's hard to be TRULY motivated unless you're just a gym type of guy.

Feminism making it taboo for men to talk about how to get laid is the biggest issue. Not hypergamy, in my opinion.

jonascf · 2022-09-27T20:18:50+00:00

Only people that believe they have nothing to offer but their body gets body dysmorphia from watching jacked actors.

I'm not saying it's unneccesary to be fit though, there are plenty of reasons why it's a good idea and one of them is that it's nice to look good naked. But it's not the most important thing when it comes to dating and young men shouldn't let themselves be led to believe it is.

rurunoa · 2022-09-27T20:55:52+00:00

those arent dad bods however i still want a guy that is muscular

alphasupremacy5555 · 2022-09-28T00:56:43+00:00

Tons of women don't even really know what they want when it comes to men. They always changing what they want or they're just going to flat out lie about what they want in a man. The most sexually attractive male body type to women all over the world is a man who is ripped, very muscular with six pack abs 17-in or bigger veiny arms with bulging biceps. That's really what the vast majority of women especially American women crave in a man physically and anyone who says otherwise is a lying idiot.

Rough_Theme_5289 · 2022-09-28T02:18:37+00:00

Let me ask you … WHAT women are calling this dad bod or skinny fat? Which ones ? Where ? How? Cause this isn’t computing for me …. These are thin/ in shape men…

delight-n-angers · 2022-09-28T00:56:48+00:00

You think Baywatch David Hasselhoff has a DAD BOD? LMFAO. You don't understand any of the words you're saying. BDD is a serious condition that impacts men and women, do you have any evidence that men are developing it as a result of women's preferences?

CrossdressTimelady · 2022-09-27T22:19:36+00:00

They're definitely fit. The fact is, we have an actual obesity epidemic that wasn't an issue in the 1960s/1970s.

Quantum_Supremacist · 2022-09-28T02:44:44+00:00

Those guys don't have a dad bod but I wouldn't call them well-built either. They look active but they don't look athletic per se. There is nothing wrong with having a slim figure, it's better than some of the alternatives, but it's also better to go a little further.

In that era Charles Bronson was who I'd call well-built. IMO Charles Bronson is a serious contender for peak physique.

goldhundreddollar · 2022-09-28T03:03:06+00:00

Lol 😆

iamatwork24 · 2022-09-28T16:01:57+00:00

Yea going to disagree here. Most of those dudes wouldn’t be considered dad bods. They’re simply healthy dudes who aren’t overly muscular, see tons of guys with those bodies happily married or in relationships no matter what part of the world I’ve been in. And it’s almost always guys who hold other guys to these current days superhero body standards. Definitely not women who are leading that movement.

Weedrill2 · 2022-09-28T00:06:24+00:00

unless youre hanging around anorexic chicks I dont think women call these dad bods or skinnyfat

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Hello891011 · 2022-09-28T05:31:07+00:00

This looks pretty average…..some guys are toned, some are skinny, some got a tiny bit of pudge.

Gundam_net · 2022-09-28T06:38:02+00:00

Until they learn to NGAF. Every year that I live, the less IGAF. And that's true.

medlabunicorn · 2022-09-28T09:01:42+00:00

Those aren’t women’s standards. (Edit: those actors from the 60’s definitely are. Modern standards are more about what gay men want. Look at the differences between gay and het men, and it’s pretty obvious that women aren’t the picky ones).

Freevoulous · 2022-09-28T11:38:05+00:00

Statistics show that most women like the lean-muscular look, with the character of Tyler Durden from Fight Club being considered the absolute most attractive physique ever.

So, not huge and muscular, not roided out, but low BF% and good-ish muscle definition.

professionalrecluse · 2022-09-28T11:42:49+00:00

Yes, it was the damn women that thought of this scene, filmed and edited it, said “this is an absolutely normal body,” threatened to riot if cut from the movie, then flocked to the theaters and threw their bras at the screen in orgasmic glee…while their 100% totally uninterested brothers/boyfriends/husbands begrudgingly waited for the skinny underdog kid in glasses to come save the day.

classicliberal1 · 2022-09-28T16:28:18+00:00

Wow, men were a lot hairier in the last century. What's up with that? Are male actors today waxing their chests?

Fabulous-Town8590 · 2022-09-28T17:38:01+00:00

So why do women almost never date up in terms of looks?

Acceptable_Parking96 · 2022-09-28T17:39:43+00:00

The most toxic standard that exists is the height standard, far worse than weight or any other standard. It is almost purely genetic and otherwise based on childhood upbringing. At the age you realize it’s importance it’s impossible to change without damaging, extremely costly and time consuming surgery that ruins bodily proportions. Height discrimination causes suicide amongst many short men. So I agree. Not in terms of keeping fit, but the one thing that can’t be changed but is frowned upon the most which is height.

MikeyIa · 2022-09-28T17:46:13+00:00

The images are not the "woman"'s standard. It's just the loud and problematic minority of women.

Also right back at ya buckaroo. Men' s Standards literally do the same

EDs for both sides as well next to other stuff

IKnowAllSeven · 2022-09-28T23:18:53+00:00

My friend and I were sending pics back and forth of Robert Redford today, and other older actors. They were famous before our time so I got curious to see…were they actually hot? And my friend and I agreed, these men were so damn hot.

HobbitShaker88 · 2022-09-29T03:36:05+00:00

I have had a lot of female friends and have had very few that say the things you describe.

The same thing you post happens to women. During those time periods, celebrities had a more normal body. Celebrities today have to meet a much higher beauty standard.

Apprehensive_Cut_146 · 2022-09-29T07:36:40+00:00

Men haven't given women body dismorphia along history, but sure.

Werevulvi · 2022-09-29T16:51:29+00:00

Yeah, I've noticed as much, but ime the gay community is even worse on that point so I feel a lot of pressure to bulk up if I wanna get any attention at all from other men. So... I kinda think that although women generally do have higher standards on men's bodies, most of the pressure to be fit probably comes from other men and rivalry, basically.

Obviously that dynamic is different among straight men, as for them it's more of a competition in who gets the hottest girl or the most women, while for gay men it's more of... if you want the hot, muscular guys, well then you gotta be able to give some of that yourself, or else why would they want you? But, thing is I see a lot of similarities between both camps, and that male standards are very similar for both straight women and gay men. They both want a gymfreak for a boyfriend. So we're probably unfortunately good at feeding ourselves/each other the idea that muscular = (more) attractive.

Also, while men have also surely given women body dysmorphia throughout history, I think women have generally more options in regards to what kinda body types attract men: skinny, curvy, athletic, etc, while men only really have one option: muscular.

Chrissyboy1980 · 2022-09-29T18:00:50+00:00

I've just seen the headline on the front page of my local newspaper this evening. "Incel fires flamethrower at Chad, then calls him HOT GUY".

kokorwqac · 2022-09-29T20:02:58+00:00

firstly the etreme steroid fitness is a standard set by men, because even if a lot of women like it, it's something promoted in media ny men in hollywood and superhero comics.

second, they wouldn't be called dad bod or fat today, especially if you consider the average guy today is legit overweight, while this wasn't the case in 70's.

third, generally being not fat is enough for a guy with a good face, even blackpill spaces point out to chico lachowski for example, this dude probably never lifted in his life, but he has a good face: https://scontent.fist2-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/11157534_1573960036216580_4965079231489000903_o.png?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=aTh7WjpXTMoAX9NOGiK&tn=anSwW7FYQT80ZHm8&_nc_ht=scontent.fist2-3.fna&oh=00_AT9MgZs4zPwWUQOf_iodlih-0vg_VBFqBV8j1IZNK-ipkw&oe=635D254F

LetSuitable5665 · 2022-10-01T09:15:25+00:00

Self improvement is masturbation, now self destruction?

Title	Women's standards are giving men body dysmorphia
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Date	September 27, 2022 7:08 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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