Rapper Waka Flocka walks off Fresh and Fit podcast over debate about rape culture and body count. 6 girls leave as well. Myron says rape culture is a myth. Was he being way too insensitive with this topic whether it’s true or false?

edgyny · 2023-03-21T20:56:11+00:00

What were their arguments?

Edit: I just dialed to 1:19 as requested and heard the host guy just being a ridiculously condescending asshole. No idea what he's even talking about but I would leave just because of that attitude alone (I'm a guy). Also seriously who has 3 hours to listen to this bullshit.

Logical-Confection-7 · 2023-03-22T06:02:46+00:00

The hard part is Myron used to be in a unit fighting human trafficking. He doesn’t even understand the basics about sexual violence. He is literally a brutal ignoramus.

bossman146 · 2023-03-21T21:16:00+00:00

Fresh and Fit are clowns, more news at 11

RatchedAngle · 2023-03-21T21:07:00+00:00

If 1 in 4 girls have experienced sexual assault by the time they turn 18, and 1 in 6 boys have experienced sexual assault by the time they turn 18…I’d say we have a problem, here.

Not sure why Myron feels so comfortable being insensitive about this topic when he knows that young boys are victims, too.

Your sons are just as vulnerable as your daughters. And your sons are less likely to come to you because of the stigma that boys experience as victims.

None of those men care about other men or boys. They just want to puff out their chests and pwn the wiminz.

itsokiloveu · 2023-03-22T11:31:46+00:00

I invited my neighbour who I had known for 2 years in college and had an established friendship with next door for some wine in 2020. I trusted him, and he put oxycodone into my glass. I blacked out within minutes and he assaulted me.

My best friend was drugged and assaulted by a man she had developed feelings for after going out with him over several months. Not to mention, marital rape (within MARRIED couples) has its own sub-section under the law.

The VAST majority of rapes are actually committed by close friends, family members, and acquaintances. Women don’t need to be clubbing to be assaulted or harmed by men…

roastpork99 · 2023-03-22T02:36:13+00:00

Tbh I've not watched the clip yet but it doesn't surprise me, Myron has always been a bozo and I tend not to agree with a lot of what him and Fresh put out. Very extreme and an uncompromisingly negative view of women.

Additionally I don't believe the women that go on there are a true representation of the average woman. I think they are a representation of a certain type of woman, but the kind I actively go out of my way to try and avoid (well maybe not in a general sense but definitely relationship wise).

Dafiro93 · 2023-03-21T20:54:32+00:00

I honestly don't know why guys watch their podcast. It's literally the same content on repeat, see it once and you've seen it all. It's the same anecdotes over and over again. I saw a couple of their episodes just to see what everyone was talking about. It's like every episode, Myron talks about the women in a candy store anecdote like it's some huge gotcha moment lol.

I don't think it's necessarily hard to poke holes in their views either but they only bring on club girls. They bring on some women with a higher education but it's still women who come on to get instagram followers lol.

Diamond-Breath · 2023-03-21T22:06:13+00:00

Fresh & Fit is the trashiest podcast on Earth, I don't even know why some men follow it.

SeveralSadEvenings · 2023-03-21T21:06:37+00:00

I'm not going to give them views, but based on this write up I will say that Waka Flocka seems like a decent person and sensible person.

KayRay1994 · 2023-03-22T01:12:16+00:00

Fresh and Fit are amongst the worst of the manosphere content creators. Their entire platform literally boils down to “woman bad man good” and Myron especially has proven himself to be legitimately sexist and very emotional (which would have been fine if he didn’t label it as “reason”)

I never really cared for Waka, but i have to respect him after seeing this.

Rape culture is real - and one thing i wish was talked about more in these spaces is that the term doesn’t tie into literal rape, but rather, the behaviors that make things like sexual harassment especially more prevalent (as well as the fact that rape-ee behavior is generally accepted in lots of male circles as long as it isn’t the stereotypical violent rape), rape culture is more about a lack of respect for boundaries + the fact that society generally doesn’t respect those boundaries when it comes to women, maybe we can argue that the term “rape culture” in itself isn’t representative of the issue - but the issues the term describes are all real

SillyMushroomTip · 2023-03-21T21:01:32+00:00

Fresh&Fit , WhateverPodcast, PearlyClips and others are garbage podcasts dick riding the same content over and over again to for views

Flightlessbirbz · 2023-03-21T23:05:41+00:00

Good for him and good for those girls. I would guess they’ve experienced sexual assault or know someone who has. I know the 1 in 4 for women/girls and 1 and 6 for men/boys stat isn’t necessarily solid, but sadly, it seems very plausible based on the number of people I know who’ve experienced it. You have to be willfully blind not to see it.

LORDFLVCKOJODYE · 2023-03-22T07:54:17+00:00

Fresh and Fit are supposedly the “alpha males”. LOL Fresh talks too fast around girls, i think he’s nervous

herinquisition · 2023-03-22T16:33:59+00:00

They're trash and ridicule anything women struggle with on that show. They're usually dripping in bitterness and misogyny, on top of being uneducated and struggling with logical reasoning, as is much of the manosphere. I hate-watch that show often and I doubt it will even shock me at this point tbh. Will watch later though

BigVulvaEnergy · 2023-03-21T21:05:02+00:00

Alexa, play Waka Flocka.

This podcast and anything but fresh or fit.

OfNoOneImportant · 2023-03-22T07:09:59+00:00

Literally every clip I see of Fresh & Fit seems to be the exact same conversation, practically word for word.

Anxious-Tailor-7182 · 2023-03-22T03:59:26+00:00

There's better use for your time than watching/listening some dumb 3+ hours long navel-gazing podcast.

Ok-Application-7614 · 2023-03-22T10:35:28+00:00

When the girls were leaving Myron said “yea get the fuck out of here”. The shit was insensitive and cringe to watch.

I watched from the beginning. The first girl that walked out was being sarcastic and disruptive the whole time she was there. She was obnoxious as fuck. I don't blame Myron for telling her to get the fuck out.

Thebedless · 2023-03-22T11:25:47+00:00

Couldn’t watch the 3 hours this guys are a fucking cancer and have no respect for women. Don’t know how they get so many ladies for this “debates”

Trans_Mogger · 2023-03-22T13:41:21+00:00

This Myron guy seems hella based. Thanks for the new podcast to check out on the work commute.

statsfodder · 2023-03-21T21:28:24+00:00

There is a real "feelz over realz" issue here because OP basically states that true or false doesn't matter because Myron was insensitive.

Personally, i think fresh and fit are flogs .. Yet the thots beg to be on their podcast ...

Myron's argument is that - rape is a crime, it is not cheered, it is not "allowed" therefore we do not have a rape culture. No one promotes or thinks rape is good. So yeah, he is right, "rape culture" is a myth.

Why are men told they need to pick better women when issues of divorce and false allegations come up, but if you say women need to choose better, the claims of muh soggy knee come flying out??

baresquad · 2023-03-21T21:37:04+00:00

I think this really highlights modern men. You’re either the type to rage “get the fuck out of here” chastising her for her emotions that’s probably related to some past trauma in her life or the type that don’t want to be associated with that shit, hence Waka walking out.

mercedeszzzz · 2023-03-21T22:25:55+00:00

Fresh and misfit are losers.

AngelCrumb · 2023-03-22T00:07:48+00:00

Rape culture is real and men are absolutely victims of it too. Most male victims of sexual assault may not even realise they've been sexually assaulted, and such behaviour toward men is basically normalised. Women also suffer, since women are more vulnerable than men, but in no way are men suddenly not also victims of rape culture. Raping other males is even seen as comedic in media.

Holden_Frame · 2023-03-22T05:20:37+00:00

A.) Waka didn't "walk off" the show as a result of the rape culture discussion whatsoever. In fact, he pinpointed that the woman was broken and obnoxious well before this moment happened.

B.) While Myron is basically just another "debate-bro" a la Destiny / Vaush / Shapiro / etc and while he certainly uses rehearsed (ad nauseam) rebuttals and examples, I can't find a single example in this entire podcast of a factually incorrect statement. I did however, hear women arguing about how "body count is the same for men and women", "women don't wear makeup to look attractive for men" and "men and women are just individuals when it comes to strength". Any of that sound familiar? It was like a greatest hits of PPD bloop arguments.

C.) I am personally super left wing, but "rape culture" is not only a "myth" but is in fact a malicious gaslight along with woke catch-all buzzword along with "patriarchy", "white supremacy" and "toxic masculinity".

It's simply a means of demonizing any expression of male sexuality that doesn't include abject simpery or some SJW fantasy of "affirmative, enthusiastic and continuous verbal consent"

"rape culture" is used interchangeably with everything from an errant kiss to some nerd having a scantily clad anime figurine on his desk at work.

It's complete nonsense.

My favorite is this disingenuous mantra of "men get assaulted too!1!" which is just some cursory lip service towards men those women don't give a fuck about to give themselves cover to label everything and everything part of "rape culture"

Just look through this thread. People literally saying "drunk sex" and consensual kinky sex is part of "rape culture".

I swear, this whole generation is a bunch of emotional hemophiliacs who feels the need to pathologize anything and everything that could possibly make a woman merely "uncomfortable". How women don't see how utterly infantilizing and counterproductive this is towards women in general is beyond me.

I implore anybody to watch that video from 1:32:00 for about 30 seconds and watch the truth bomb getting dropped on these women. You can tell they never once thought of a single line item on the litany of things Myron tells them about.

The rest of the vide is just more of women not understanding how men who have to earn their value in life and the same women claiming they don't care if a guy is 5'3 which is more Bloop nonsense that you see commonly on PPD.

I hate that people like Myron are necessary, but they are.

meisterkraus · 2023-03-21T22:50:13+00:00

Regardless of where you stand on the topic it should not be randomly brought up. If you want to have show/debate on let it be know so people can opt in.

96tillinfinity_ · 2023-03-21T22:05:00+00:00

What measures can be taken to stop rape culture? Im finding it hard to understand what even is rape culture?

Its not like people who rape or who intend to rape have a flashing red signal on their forehead. People who rape, are going to rape and people who don’t, will not. So what are men who do not rape supposed to do? Hunt down potential rapists…that we dont even know exist?

7-11-21-Luck · 2023-03-22T01:05:49+00:00

Fresh and fit is the worst shit to ever appear on the internet

BirdMedication · 2023-03-22T01:10:04+00:00

The problem with using super ambiguous language like "defund the police" and "rape culture" is that those terms have been redefined so broadly that any criticism of the terminology can be spun as an attack against actual victims of the literal definition of the associated terms (and who might only comprise a small percentage of the redefined category itself).

Decent-Zombie-5513 · 2023-03-21T21:24:07+00:00

Rape culture is a load of rubbish, it is one of the most reviled crimes in our society. Frankly, it always struck me as hysterical if we gave into all the feminist fear mongering we would turn into Iran or somthing and women would have to have a male family member guarding them at all times.

JohnnyMnemo · 2023-03-22T01:34:46+00:00

3 1/2 hours for a video cast?

FML I got shit to do, to only listen to some kind of circle jerk confirmation bias. I mean, really? I'd rather spend my time on a ted talk.

Royal-Tip4585 · 2023-03-22T01:59:02+00:00

Yeah no it doesn’t matter what Waka thinks. This is a PR nightmare for him to be on a podcast with this stuff.

Body count. That’s nothing.

But downplaying rape? That’s not winning anyone.

ta06012022 · 2023-03-22T02:29:17+00:00

All these people seem pretty trashy, uneducated, and overall low class. I don't get the appeal of watching shit like this.

throwaway_2234566 · 2023-03-22T08:42:36+00:00

First time watching this show. It's really funny how the guy asks some questions to the women, or posing things like a true statement beyond discussion, all of the women deny it, and he still sticks to his point. If you're going to stick to your point and not believe anything the women say, who actually are the people you are claiming things about, then stop asking at all. The hosts just want to wallow in their own worldview and would never want to be convinced otherwise. They already know everything anyway so this 'interview' is useless.

Example: he states women don't want to share their resources with men, all of the women present say otherwise, give examples of how they do in real life real relationships, but he still sticks to his own opinion. So outside of reality.

And then the blatant hypocrisy: women have the option to walk away, they have autonomy. Agree actually although it can be complex as the women point out. Then a little while further on the show, woman says to the host ok if you don't like how she acts you can walk away, the host says 'no I can't because I want to fuck her'. Men as the poor victims of their libido taking away all their autonomy, but not the other way around, right?

AstronautLoveShack · 2023-03-21T21:22:07+00:00

I don't know what a Waka Flocka is, but good on him.

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2023-03-22T00:01:18+00:00

🤭Not one person in the comments has debunked any of Myron's arguments.

DoinIt989 · 2023-03-21T21:05:28+00:00

"Myron" is a literal Fed and a blatant grifter. Heartiste would have a field day with him if he was still with us.

autisticgoober · 2023-03-21T23:11:02+00:00

Fresh and Fit is an example of true misogyny. And it's what men are turning into if women/feminists keep shitting on regular men for innocuous things. Waka is an example of healthy masculinity, a mix of empathy and masculine traits. Those types of men are a dying breed. Have feminists/women thought, hey instead of shaming men constantly we should maybe promote the good in men?

AidsVictim · 2023-03-21T22:38:56+00:00

Whether they're being too insensitive or not is up for debate, people are volunteering to go on the show and should be prepared to deal with the hosts being assholes, a large part of their gimmick as far as I can tell (watching a handful of clips ) is being confrontational and controversial with women. I don't like F&F or any of the nu media manosphere crap but I'm not choosing to participate in it like these women.

They're correct rape culture is a myth. Within some subcultures it's more "overlooked" under the right circumstances but in the West rape sits along side murder as one of the most reviled crimes, about the only thing considered worse is child abuse.

The purpose of the myth is largely self promotion for feminist causes and to put pressure on reshaping society in ways favorable to feminist women.

Safinated · 2023-03-21T22:01:48+00:00

That photo says it all. Those are the type of women you want ?

SoldierExcelsior · 2023-03-22T00:03:57+00:00

My issue is people deciding what's insensitive and what's cringe what's toxic....

Without saying "to me"

If something bothers you that's fine but to say a thought is cringe because it bothers you is what's toxic in my opinion..

As far a r@pe culture in my opion and in my experience it's not a thing...but I do think there's a massive communication issue between men and women..and I do think women play games..

Example I was talking to a woman and we decided to meet up I made it clear that I was meeting for sex she said I could have whatever I want when I got their she flipped the script and said she wanted to talk and get to know me better...

At this point I told her she's wasting my time go home..She cried about that but we've been talking for months I drove an hour to see her based on her saying sex was on the table..and now she wants to talk...

If there's a r@pe culture there's a manipulation and lying culture aswell.Everybody knows r@pe is wrong murder is wrong stealing is wrong people do these things but it doesn't mean it's apart of the culture as a whole.

Teflon08191 · 2023-03-22T03:20:21+00:00

He was being exactly the way he needs to be to accomplish his ultimate goal: to be a provocateur that makes a shit ton of money for having controversial, insensitive, entertaining opinions.

MasterTeacher123 · 2023-03-22T03:49:08+00:00

What’s the definition? The idea that the majority of men think rape is “ok”?

neetykeeno · 2023-03-21T21:22:15+00:00

I predict that sometime in the next five years he will experience a RooshV style conversion to whatever flavour of conservative Christianity is common in the community he was raised in. Like full all the way conversion not just conservative overtones.

Salt_Mathematician24 · 2023-03-21T22:30:14+00:00

Myron is an asshole either way. He is a talking point reel that yells and screams and unprepared and uninformed insta babies that literally couldn't give two shits about SMV and dating evospysch and would get his ass handed to him in a formal debate against an educated and prepared person.

He is incredibly biased and pretty much hates women because of his own low SMV and his show is trash cash-generating Jerry Springer style reality TV for men that don't like women very much either.

Thekurdishprince · 2023-03-21T21:48:32+00:00

Rape culture as described by feminists is a complete myth. They lie especially about statistics!

A good example is false rape allegations where feminists and media claim that only 5% which is true if you only look at the proven to be false. At the same time the rate of convition is also around 5% which leads of 90% of reported ones going nowhere so not innocent or guilty verdict. Feminists and their allies use just assume that the 90% got away with it because of their own bias.

Now out of 90% of cases that go nowhere are there people getting away with it ? Ofc ! Are there people who are completely falsely accused ? Yes ! It is hard to know out of the rest of 90% what is the false rape allegation ratio to real ones but feminists just assume they all did it.

This is the same with UN women UK publishing a " survey " claiming that 97% of women ages 18 to 24 had being sexually harassed which included stupid shit like BEING LOOKED AT ! So call me a conspiracy theorist but i do not belive one bit of what feminists, the media or academia say about this subject because they clearly have a motive and enemy to fry no matter what

IncelSlayer93 · 2023-03-22T07:25:36+00:00

Waka wanted no piece of that incel shit. He saw where the conversation was going and got the fuck out. Waka was the only alpha in the room.

Plopolok · 2023-03-22T05:14:54+00:00

I only listened to the part just before the first girl leaves. It's a weird shit show. Saying that women aren't 100% in control of their n-count because there's sexual assault was weird and dumb, he should have just replied "ok, not 100%, let's say 95% or whatever" and moved on. Instead he started a weird vindicative rant on how rape culture is a myth like he said in a previous podcast. I might agree with some of his rant, rape comes from nature not culture, it's just not the topic. Then a girl leaves, which is a weird decision, and it seems handled weirdly by the hosts... A weird shit show, I stopped watching there.

Here2RunItDown · 2023-03-21T22:36:08+00:00

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Taipanshimshon · 2023-03-21T21:01:50+00:00

Stupid podcast but

What is rape culture ? Is the argument that it's not a crime?

Master-Edward-3 · 2023-03-22T02:15:22+00:00

I just stumbled across their channel not long ago and I feel like most of their arguments are sound if listened to without getting emotional. They go against the grain and..folks don’t like it when they do. I doubt he was being insensitive to their discussion.

Evening_Fox922 · 2023-03-22T09:20:27+00:00

How do people not understand that putting yourself in situations that can lead to you being put in danger is YOUR fault, the person committing the crime is definitely in the wrong,you have to have accountability for putting yourself in the situation

Maffioze · 2023-03-21T23:29:15+00:00

What do people mean when they say rape culture?

Because imo there is to much rape and to little punishment but that still doesn't mean we live in a rape culture since rape is looked down upon.

Evening_Fox922 · 2023-03-22T09:33:54+00:00

Anyone speaking against f&f is just wrong on all their takes they are viewers of their opposing creators and clearly have biases, if you watch H3,Hasan, Destiny, or Aba and Preach, consistently you’re looking at their content through a bias lens they are normally speaking on statistically backed data, most of the time people argue against their points with the “exception to the rule” or a “lala land” perspective, they are right as a man you must be to put it in simple terms “the fucking man” in her eyes or the relationship will fail every time

Mr_Chad_Thunderpenis · 2023-03-22T04:05:27+00:00

Rape culture is indeed a myth. If you think the vast majority of men are rapists, then you are too far gone and you probably believe the earth is flat as well.

Here2RunItDown · 2023-03-21T23:25:58+00:00

Nah, Myron is uncompressing in his beliefs. Which is a refreshing perspective considering most of humanity budges and changes opinion based on the room.

If Rape culture is a myth, i'll believe the statistics and evidence, rather than what someone presumes. Since a lot of those rape anecdotes are retrospective regret.

wwwArchitect · 2023-03-22T04:59:44+00:00

Lol this podcast is for entertainment, not life lessons.

Myron: you take a girl on a date and she doesn’t wanna smash, f- her. Next!

Myron on the next podcast: eeew! High body count.

Also Myron: your past predicts your future, but not for men obviously ;)

matjeom · 2023-03-22T00:22:13+00:00

Cringe to read you calling them “girls” too.

teddiesinterlude · 2023-03-22T07:34:54+00:00

Wow those two blonde girls on the right are the biggest pick-mes I’ve even seen in my life. And respect to Waka for being real and speaking his mind. But I have a feeling he didn’t really know what he was walking into when he agreed to do this show.

The lightskin host that was being super disrespectful is a known incel and got exposed for having to pay women (sugarbabies) to date (not have sex, just date) him despite trying to present himself as some big ole alpha male. How ironic is that. He definitely gives off Andrew Tate vibes.

Subject-Ad-9613 · 2023-03-22T17:07:01+00:00

this shows that the girls and the rapper are pretty much children and unable to have adult debates. if someone cant debate and gets emotional or quits because someone is "insensitive", it just means they got emotional like a kid. if you cant handle a discussion because of HOW something is expressed and because of how it makes you FEEL, your just a child acting out.

really sad that even a rapper who pretends to be a criminal is such a weak bitch.

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