Russia vs Ukraine Mega-Thread

kyjolski · 2022-02-27T03:36:42+00:00

Great, I definitely need to read more autistic takes on complex geopolitical topics.

the-lone-squid · 2022-02-27T19:48:25+00:00

Imagine if the rest of the world got this mad at America everytime we attacked another country 🤔

gimpgirl555 · 2022-02-27T10:34:36+00:00

Look at the women at the train station (5 minutes in): https://youtu.be/H2dl5zpGwk8

Most of them don't have kids. There is no excuse. They're not even fleeing on foot. They're calmly waiting for a train ride. If they had walked they would have already been out of the country. They could make it in a few hours.

Let it sink in that these women are too lazy to even flee properly.

_Bike_seat_sniffer · 2022-02-28T22:09:38+00:00

Imagine being an Ukrainian man right now, women are leaving the country by the hundreds of thousands, possibly even a million now, while they are forced to stay and die. The women will most likely never return and now even if by some miracle they hold off the increasingly brutal Russian attack, they'll have to live in a country with a very significant amount of excess males. Grim, just fucking brutal.

geyges · 2022-03-05T20:34:51+00:00

Day 10 folks. Nobody thought Ukraine would last this long. What's next?

Chechnya style leveling of cities and insurgency?
Soviet style occupation with a puppet regime?
Implosion of Russia and Putin?
Explosion of nukes?

edgyny · 2022-03-05T18:28:12+00:00

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edgyny · 2022-03-05T17:05:20+00:00

Man could you imagine how powerful sanctions could be if the world ran on Bitcoin or other blockchain technology? All currency could be traced back to Russian ownership on certain dates and made illegal for commerce and accepting them would taint your wallet until you hand them over. Sanctions would just be governments publishing lists of banned addresses and dates.

abaxeron · 2022-03-05T12:48:25+00:00

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946

Western media crawling into the bargaining stage.

With this level of progress, it might take them only a couple more years before they understand that both Nazism and invasions are a bad thing universally.

Upd, just not to make another comment: I know we're having mostly too old, too young, or too family oriented people here, but just in case this is seen by someone considering volunteering to fight for Ukraine -

Russia announced basically on day two that foreign combatants will be investigated for mercenary activity. Three to seven years in prison.

ExtraBurdensomeCount · 2022-03-05T11:47:45+00:00

I think it's hilarious how the west is basically trying to "cancel" a whole country now. All this will serve to do is infuriate the populace and hasten the increase of the growing divide between east and west.

BloofGoober · 2022-02-26T21:11:31+00:00

Why do we need a Russia-Ukraine thread in this sub of all places?

neetykeeno · 2022-02-26T21:41:11+00:00

I've listened to Leonard Cohen's performance of The Partisan several times in the past hour. If anyone else had found themselves listening to particular songs or dwelling on particular art work or rereading particular books due to the situation, feel free to post them in reply to my comment. https://youtu.be/9RYy_8u4blk

PM_ME_ZED_BARA · 2022-02-27T04:49:09+00:00

I am now totally on team Ukraine, because shirtless Zelensky is way hotter than shirtless Putin.

Murphysmongoose · 2022-02-27T16:05:25+00:00

Truth be told... It's all NWO propaganda BS. They are all really on the same side, working towards the same agenda: One world government, one world economy, all controlled by their organization; The World Economic Forum. Here's your proof in black and white to see for yourself:

[Putin the WEF member] (https://www.weforum.org/people/vladimir-putin)

[Biden the WEF member] (https://www.weforum.org/people/joseph-r-biden)

[Trudeau the WEF member] (https://www.weforum.org/people/justin-trudeau)

Yes, a lot of poors and, "proles" will die... But that's always the plan, always the collateral damage. Historically.

2022-02-28T07:54:54+00:00

Glory to heroes and glory to Ukraine

OneAngryBlutbad · 2022-03-05T10:40:00+00:00

Glad the family members who matter to me left Russia. The country is just plain evil.

2022-02-26T21:10:10+00:00

They're not putin up with it anymore

Biden weighs support for expelling Russia from SWIFT as more European countries appear ready to back move

Wonder if they have played out the dominos of what would result from that

djblackmith · 2022-02-26T21:12:09+00:00

The biggest thing I have got from this is how deeply unpopular the west has become (or is becoming).

edgyny · 2022-02-26T21:33:03+00:00

It's really so depressing. What do Russians think is going on with this?

That__EST · 2022-02-26T21:43:41+00:00

This might have already been asked, but anyone seen u/narniafox around lately? Been worried about her.

DifferenceEconomyAD · 2022-02-26T21:51:35+00:00

Definitely seems like situation some men taking advantage of. Russians soilders using tinder for ukraine women. https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/t0qrrn/russian_soldiers_use_tinder_while_in_ukraine/ Ukrainian and Ukrainian girl become top search on porn hub. https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/t1kw48/the_top_searches_on_pornhub_currently/ An influencer tried to use his citizenship to pickup ukraine women on tinder. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailydot.com/irl/tinder-ukraine-tiktok/%3famp

TheJim66 · 2022-02-26T21:52:11+00:00

Let's give you all a simple rundown

The US/NATO tries to expand their reach into the east and put bases right outside Russia. Something they had agreed they wouldn't do and Russia had warned them not to do.

Russia, predictably, showed them the consequences of that.

The EU and the US acting like they are shocked and appalled by this is just hypocrisy for the eyes of the moronic masses . They have done the exact same thing countless times like in Kosovo and Cuba (the case of Cuba is almost exactly the same with the countries reversed) .

lout_zoo · 2022-02-26T21:56:47+00:00

If it's woman on woman, that's some quality entertainment. I generally find Slavic women much more attractive than squareheads.

With that horribly sexist, insensitive, non PC comment out of the way, I am very concerned for Ukraine, as well as the Russian people who have to deal with their sad, fucked up, war-mongering government.
Not sure what can be said regarding this in a PurplePill Debate subreddit though.

lulll · 2022-02-26T23:26:19+00:00

personally i say ppd should have an orgy before ww3 starts

webernicke · 2022-02-26T23:53:51+00:00

Q4W: How many of you would bang Zelensky at this point?

nemma88 · 2022-02-27T00:05:02+00:00

At this point its clear even with occupation they'll be persistent resistance within Ukraine for decades.

gimpgirl555 · 2022-02-27T06:07:09+00:00

Russian speakers (or anyone else who knows)

Has Putin actually been referring to Ukraine's leaders as drug addicts, and if so where is that coming from? Which drug?

Yo_Mamas_azz · 2022-02-27T18:56:40+00:00

Virgin soverign ukraine advocate niggaz in 1940 be like:

"Brooo The nazis really dropping the ball in france. Its been 3 whole days and they havent even taken paris yet, nazis getting crushed bro"

The enemy capital of Russia is on imminent brink of being captured. In MF DAYS. Like come on now, thats some big dog shit.

Lets stop with all this western propaganda for a minute. Can we get some love for Putin in the chat? Like, everyone gotta be a supporter of ukraine, nigga? Nah, lets get some diversity of opinion in here. Chad russian imperalism enjoyers represent.

smallstarseeker · 2022-02-27T20:59:35+00:00

Video recording has leaked from Putin's bunker in the Ural mountains, when he found out the invasion of Ukraine is failing.

Hosj_Karp · 2022-02-28T02:49:55+00:00

Lol at the redpill tradcons praising Russia and revealing themselves as the 5th column they are. The response from the free world to Putins aggression has been overwhelming. Even China is distancing themselves from him. I'm sure their designs on Taiwan have been pushed back decades.

The collapse of the liberal world order has been greatly exaggerated. Hilarious that liberal democracies are not only freer than Russia and China, they are richer and stronger as well. Authoritarianism is a losers game. When will the fascists and communists understand this?

Hegemon1984 · 2022-02-28T16:53:14+00:00

I'm becoming a digital nomad early 2023, I can't wait to hit up my nearest refugee center in Poland

Lateralanouncer · 2022-02-28T21:19:18+00:00

Nato moving into Ukraine is like china moving into Mexico. Emotionaly voted Biden administration that has zero understanding of geo politics, just fucked the entire EU. This will lead to a new global power. Banking etc will cause more global inflation oil prices, etc. will go through the roof. and if the sanctions don't work, lol. We know they won't as china and Russia have been working on this threat for year, gas pupes rail system. ultimately, the fed just allowed the forming of China, India, Iraq, and Russia, or should I say a new monetary system that the West has zero control of. Reword the West just lost it power and control over the east. Historically, this will go down as the tipping point for the West.

DonQOnIce · 2022-02-26T21:05:05+00:00

Putin is not 6’.

GuitarsBack · 2022-02-26T21:29:21+00:00

Oh shit. Here we go again. 😃

Libah05 · 2022-02-27T10:23:00+00:00

This conflict has made it very apparent to me that there is something deeply wrong with my mental wiring. I don’t give a shit about any of the people who are taking part in this war, I don’t really care if civilians are killed or whether little children get blown up. What I do care about however, is whether I’m going to be drafted, and that’s my only concern.

I can obviously say that the things I mentioned are awful and terrible, but to say I care about them, I cannot.

GridReXX · 2022-02-27T12:36:42+00:00

I wasn’t moved at all by Zelensky’s video.

There are probably several reasons why but I’m glad it served its purpose.

geyges · 2022-02-27T17:16:46+00:00

Russians continue to randomly throw small units into Ukrainian strongholds, and they keep getting lit up.

This is 3 days now of the same failed tactics... over and over again. Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity.

ChadThundagaCock · 2022-02-28T01:22:40+00:00

What happens if Putin hits a NATO member?

-angels-fan- · 2022-02-28T04:00:47+00:00

Curious what the Republicans think of Trump's latest statements?

Creation_Soul · 2022-02-28T08:52:33+00:00

I was just thinking how much "bad luck" Ukraine has that its two biggest cities are right at the border with Rusia/Belarus. If Kiev was a couple hundred kilometers to the south, the whole invasion would have been much more complicated.

abaxeron · 2022-02-28T17:31:25+00:00

Imagine the world in which US and UK decided not to be dicks and accepted USSR into NATO in year 1954. No Cold War. No arms race. Tons of saved money for video games and tendies. None of this nonsense today.

Has anyone seen any RP field reports about building bridges with Ukrainian refugees?

social_mule · 2022-03-01T03:35:31+00:00

What are the odds of Vladimir Putin getting assassinated by someone within his regime? 50 rubles says he's pushing up daisies by 2024. Any takers?

edgyny · 2022-03-05T07:18:34+00:00

New clue on the quest for the "why now?" answer:

Former National Security Advisor John Bolton says 'Putin was waiting' for Trump to withdraw the United States from NATO in his second term. https://news.yahoo.com/former-national-security-advisor-john-203811337.html

neetykeeno · 2022-03-05T05:44:43+00:00

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/article/people-are-using-their-tinder-subscriptions-to-plead-with-people-in-russia/m298z93xm

gimpgirl555 · 2022-03-04T23:38:36+00:00

LV and Gucci are leaving Russia. How will they survive???

poppy_blu · 2022-03-04T19:13:59+00:00

Poo-tin is blocking access to FB. But not Truth Social I’m sure.

Yukbghhjj · 2022-03-04T18:48:13+00:00

Women: It’s not my job to cook and clean and I’d die before I have a child! #CHILDFREE

Women during war: It’s my biological destiny to have and raise kids, you can’t draft me! Who’s gonna take care of the children?!?

-angels-fan- · 2022-02-26T22:50:09+00:00

Anybody that thinks Zelensky is just hanging out with the troops and not coming out for scheduled photo ops is an idiot.

WilliamWyattD · 2022-02-27T00:38:32+00:00

Maybe. But I'm busier over at r/geopolitics. This place on Ukraine is more comedy hour.

Let's just say that all sides are full of shit with respect to what is happening. Russian propaganda is far more insane, but in many ways that is more honest. It is straight propaganda. They know it, and they know we know it, etc.

The Western side is more annoying because one gets the sense that the media actually believes what they are saying. This is dangerous as fuck. More worriedly, one gets the sense that many of the Western leaders don't fully understand what is happening. Obviously, official statements do and always have had some limitations with respect to full candor--this is why God invented secret diplomacy. Still, one gets the feeling that today's Western leaders are not of the same caliber as those in the past, and that they honestly lack insight into the true dynamics at play here.

Ultimately, this is a contest of two visions of world order. The Russians have a more realist version of world order, with a heavy historical and civilizational bias. Putin believes that Russia, China and the West are civilizational powers. They have a historic right to dominate their own regions of the world, which should have a Tripartite security structure. Or it can be Quadpartite if America and Western Europe part ways, in which case whatever structure of great European powers get the right to control their portion of the world.

Only these few Great, civilizational powers have true sovereignty. Everyone else has a subordinate kind, but the true sovereignty of the Great Powers is indeed inviolable. Whatever they want to do in their country and their regions is nobody's business bu their own.

The West, on the other hand, is pushing something rather new in geopolitics: the Post WW II order. Orders are not new, but this kind of order that aims at comprising the entire world, and with a significant rules-based component, is new. There never was any middle ground for compromise between Putin's vision and that of the Liberal International Order (LIO). It has always been a zero sum death match. However, due to nukes, as in the Cold War, there are limits to what extent this game can be contested by pure military force.

There are ways in which NATO expansion was a true security concern for Russia in a traditional sense; but primarily it was about the LIO pushing too far into what Russia feels is its traditional sphere of influence. But this invasion is more about opportunity than security. Putin (and China) must destroy the LIO in order for any of their true goals to be achievable, and they saw opportunity. There are deep divisions between the US and the EU on fundamental questions that need answering for the LIO to be maintained into the future. There are also deep divisions about the LIO inside America. And there are also technical questions as to whether the LIO can survive in a more multipolar world, even if everyone involved really, really tries.

So Ukraine is important to Russia in and of itself, for various reasons. But in the end, everything has to be seen through the lens of this great game as to the future of the LIO. I personally support the LIO, and believe that with the right political will, it has a good chance of being maintained, though it needs retooling. (It is getting TOO liberal.) However, the US and Europe need to start answering serious questions about their relationship for the LIO to continue. If they decide to call it off, then fine. Everything, including my opinions, would change. For example, without a LIO, I would say that Russia gets to have Ukraine and while we can regret it, it's a 'domestic' dispute to be settled between family, and we should do nothing.

Still, I believe the West is culpable in this. We knew Russia's views. The West pushed them hard on NATO expansion and they warned us. I supported most of the NATO expansion because I believe it was needed to pacify Europe itself from other European powers. To make it stable. But there were costs. I'm on the fence about having extended it to the Baltics. However, even suggesting that Georgia and Ukraine could join was a bridge too far. Given how much Russia cares about them, and the reality of nuclear weapons, we were encouraging Ukraine to write checks their ass and army could not cash. And that we were not prepared to cash for them.

Look, it truly is in Russia's best interests to lose its traditional dreams of grandeur and become a regular European nation. It should liberalize to the extent needed to be a prosperous member of the LIO in fairly good standing; and this shouldn't require it to liberalize culturally to too great an extent. But Russia has nukes and they don't see this yet, so the long game of semi-containment had to be the way to go about this.

But we pressed too hard. Now the West has to up the game to full containment, and Ukraine and maybe others will pay the price until the LIO triumphs and Russia transforms. (Or, of course, maybe the LIO will fail and all bets are off.) I still think Russia is at fault here and should not have invaded. It should see how things truly are and what its true interests are. Nevertheless, the West shares fault here. It's like the West helped Ukraine dress up all slutty like and told it it was safe to walk through dark alleys at 3 am. Then the Ukraine got graped. I don't do victim blaming: Russia still did what it did. But the West shouldn't act all shocked that this happened, or pretend we did nothing to increase the chances of it happening.

WilliamWyattD · 2022-02-27T02:00:50+00:00

Wow. Russia being kicked out of SWIFT. Big move.

Mostly dangerous because kicking out a major player encourages people to build a rival payment system, likely with China. This possibly indicates that the West feels they will go full Cold War here, which means a rival payment system would be less successful as perhaps the West sanctions anyone that joins it. Could be 'us' or 'them' time.

EDIT: Logiauser is right. Seems possibly more limited than a complete cut off from SWIFT. Have to see what happens.

DaphneDK42 · 2022-02-28T02:38:56+00:00

The American site OnlyFan retaliated against Russia by banning Russian cam whores. So the whores are crying on Reddit, and their fat low-t simp fans are telling them to stand up to Putin, take up arms, and revolt.

2022 is looking to be a glorious year.

Devourer_of_felines · 2022-02-26T21:49:33+00:00

Hats off to Zelensky for sticking around to rally his people.

Lord knows how few politicians here in Canada or the US would’ve done the same.

DaphneDK42 · 2022-02-28T10:59:41+00:00

Now that we're seeing increasing global insecurity, lets look at bit at the state of affairs.

Men in the fighting age are increasingly indebted, falling behind in the education race, having poorer job prospects and no job security, getting screwed over by inflation, inequality is higher than in Imperial Rome and older generations are taking an increasing larger piece of the pie, healthcare is dubious, don't have their own home, and not in a position where this is likely to happen anytime soon - if ever, they don't have a wife and won't have one for a decade or more - if ever, they don't have a sweetheart and if they did they'd be foolish to think she'd stay true, nobody is waiting for them at home and they don't have children.

No skin in the game. Why the hell would they go out and risk their lives for a system that's screwing them over?

If you raise an army from such men, you're more likely to get an army resembling Cesar's legions. Their only loyalty to their commander. And not like the civic troops you went to war with in 1941.

prettymuchredpilled · 2022-02-26T21:40:32+00:00

Whether you're bluepilled, redpilled, pinkpilled, or blackpilled, hopefully we can all agree that Putin is a bastard.

NalkaNalka · 2022-02-26T23:54:37+00:00

All you geniuses that think that any nuke that gets launched will result in a full scale nuclear holocaust have been watching one too many movies.

If nato countries start supporting Ukraine and things go badly for Putin he very well could use limited nuclear strikes, ether on targets in Ukraine or the staging area in Poland.

Are other nato countries going to fire off armageddon and ensure their country's and the world's annihilation to avenge a millitary target getting nuked in another country? Not very likely.

Limited nuclear strikes will most likely result in limited nuclear strikes back. Then everyone concerned deciding that maybe a diplomatic solution is the best idea after all.

Or they could slowly escalate into full scale nuclear war as each side retaliates stronger in a effort to scare the other side to an advantageous position on the negotiating table. However the likelyhood is extremely slim.

The idea of "omg the other side launched one nuke, fire off our entire arsenal, lets go back to the stone age" is not realistic in the slightest.

Mrs_Drgree · 2022-02-27T01:30:56+00:00

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techr0nin · 2022-02-27T04:40:35+00:00

Am I the only one that thinks that this marks the beginning of the end of the American hegemony?

Russia is obviously in bed with China and gives no fucks about sanctions, and the closest American allies in the EU are so economically integrated and energy dependent on those Euraisan powerhouses that they are only half-heartedly supporting American agendas. Meanwhile the fastest growing economies in the world are the ASEAN countries which are all inextricably linked economically to China, and the next growth market is probably going to be Africa where China has been heavily investing into for more than two decades.

It almost feels like America only have three legs left — the dollar, the military, and the media, all of which America has been using irresponsibly for decades. If an alternative to the SWIFT system is created and the world moves away from oil and towards electric, the dollar dominance will fall. Nuclear weapons more or less neutralizes the military edge. And media has been more or less neutering itself as trust is at an all-time low.

Technology might be the last front, but it is also one where America no longer has a clear cut dominance as so much of our STEM talents are imported and our education system is shit. China pumps out more engineers in a year than America has in its totality. I feel like there’s a real chance that many years from now this Russia-Ukraine conflict will be seen as the first domino that caused the cascading events towards a new world order.

Kentucky_Supreme · 2022-02-26T21:37:01+00:00

I guess one way it relates to this sub is that nobody was calling for "equality" when they banned the men from leaving the country, handed them automatic weapons, and allowed the women to leave, lol.

dbz19 · 2022-02-27T00:58:20+00:00

How the fuck does this tiny shithole sub with a few autistic users get 300 replies on a 3 hour old post?

ChadThundagaCock · 2022-02-26T21:44:50+00:00

I just want to get one Russian girl and one Ukrainian girl in the same room and ask them to hug, as well as do other stuff with each other (and me).

World peace!

tired_hillbilly · 2022-02-26T21:52:01+00:00

I'm really sick of all the anti-Russian propaganda. I'm not saying its good what they're doing, but I get it.

Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot, and the US had lost the Cold War. And then Russia started getting all our neighbors to join the Warsaw pact and let them build bases there. You can't seriously tell me we'd just let it happen.

Great-Beyond9147 · 2022-02-27T18:04:33+00:00

So anyone can go fight for Ukraine now, all you have to do is go to your country's embassy and they'll get you over there and arm you and stuff!

zUltimateRedditor · 2022-02-27T20:10:50+00:00

Anyone else see all the tweets about feminists claiming women belong in the kitchen when the war kicks in and there’s a draft?

pokemin49 · 2022-02-28T10:15:33+00:00

This is the fault of Biden and Zelen. If they didn't insist on including Ukraine into NATO this could all have been avoided. And for what? A bunch of empty words? For this Ukraine is about to become rubble? It's upsetting

-angels-fan- · 2022-02-27T02:11:00+00:00

Reporter just called it "The Ukraine"

Philip8000 · 2022-02-27T03:14:14+00:00

This is going to get very, very ugly. Russia's already running into supply problems and it's only been a few days. Nor have they managed to obtain air supremacy, contrary to expectations.

Problem is, Putin's committed to this fight now. Russia expected an easy victory, but no plan survives contact with the enemy. If he can't beat Ukraine, he certainly can't fight NATO, even leaving the U.S. out. He can't afford to back down; it would be a complete humiliation and lead to his ouster. So he'll do whatever he has to in order to win.

I expect Russia will win in the end, but it'll be a lot more costly and take much longer than Putin ever anticipated. Then he's got to deal with insurgents. Chechnya, a province of around one million people, cost Russia more than 10,000 soldiers; Ukraine would be much worse.

gimpgirl555 · 2022-02-28T15:50:24+00:00

Belorussia is about to enter the war.

Paliant · 2022-02-28T16:53:47+00:00

On the dote of Ukraine only conscripting 18-60 year old men, and saying women had to go with their children and etc. By that logic, single women ages 18-60 have no other obligation holding them back from also grabbing a rifle and jumping to defend the country. Yet crickets about conscripting single women without kids aged 18-60.

abaxeron · 2022-03-04T18:28:00+00:00

Ukrainian Wikipedia reports Azov batallion as still existent and active in year 2019, participating and winning in artillery shooting competition as "separate special-purpose detachment of Ukrainian National Guard", and its first commander Andriy Biletsky as a member of Ukrainian parliament between years 2014 and 2019.

Azov was subjected to American sanctions against providing military or financial aid to Nazis in 2018; Facebook filtered its mentions out as hate speech. Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights collected reports of war crimes (torture, rape, and other forms of sexual violence) committed by the battalion's troops. USA considered listing the battalion as a far-right terrorist organization.

Weird; I thought they got disbanded after Minsk agreements.

Gigamon2014 · 2022-03-04T16:25:08+00:00

I watched "the big short" yesterday for the 1000th time yesterday and one of the great lines in it, made by Mark Baum, was that there was an epidemic of fraud in America. I actually think that observation extends to much of the western world. Putin is an odious cunt but I legit have started wavering in my support for NATO and Ukraine. The trapping of non-white refugees didn't exactly leave a great taste in my mouth but what's really killed it for me was the SHEER. FUCKING. PROPOGANDA.

And yes, one can't really judge anyone opposed to Russia who've been partaking in their own "non linear warfare" for years...but I feel propaganda should not only instill hope but also give at least a semblance of reality. Everyday we are told that Russia has been partaking in a failed campaign but everyday maps seem to show them progressing further and further into Ukraine and surrounding Kiev. So what the fuck am I meant to believe? I legit heard a reporter try to outbox the idea that the Russia campaign has failed because after day 8 they hasn't taken Kiev. The fucking US and its "coalition of the willing" took a fucking month to take Baghdad. The constant lies have let a sour taste in my mouth. Not because propaganda isn't an expected part of war, but because they're, again, treating ordinary citizens in the quest like they're fucking 5 years old.

edgyny · 2022-03-04T13:54:25+00:00

My new controversial opinions:

Answer to the "why now?" question. Because Biden won and brought back Obama-era foreign policies which resulted in that ridiculously stupid Bucharest summit that said Georgia and Ukraine would be admitted to NATO. Correction: Bucharest happened in 2008 under Bush, so that explanation of the timing is out. Now I'm back to square one on "why now?"
Would this have happened if Trump had been re-elected? No. See above. Is it because Trump is crazy or such a tough guy that Putin wouldn't dare? Nope. See above.
Russia may accept partitioning Ukraine into East/West if NATO rescinds Bucharest. West Ukraine could probably continue on economic integration with Europe since it doesn't touch Russia. This is viable particularly if Ukraine in general ends up "disappointed" and "angry" that the USA hung them out to dry. Which we have and will.
Ukraine's military strategic importance to Russia is obvious from the fact that they've been leasing navy bases in Ukraine in Crimea since well before that dumbass NATO pronouncement. "oh hai guys we're evicting you from your strategic navy bases be sure to turn out the lights!" Seriously WTF is NATO's reasoning on this? The only plausible answer is that NATO believed Russia was too weak to do anything about it. Well, that doesn't really give Russia many options beyond proving NATO wrong, does it? So Russia fucked up Georgia and Crimea. How does NATO respond to having miscalculated? By continuing to ignoring Russia. Russia has no real choice but to go bigger and bigger until NATO grasps reality. This will go on until NATO wakes up or until Russia cannot go on further. The existential end of line for Russia is nukes.
Ukraine needs to understand the West cannot aid them militarily and adjust their behavior and expectations.
This is literally a catastrophe of the US's making. Russia has little to no choice here. The US doesn't either. Ukraine better wise up right quick that ultimately nobody can have their back. They must work things out with Putin. If you live next door to a bully you can't toilet paper their yard and take a shit in the bushes and expect not to be pummeled.

Not a new opinion but

Lindsey Graham is a fucking retard.

abaxeron · 2022-03-04T11:35:33+00:00

https://thebulletin.org/2022/02/us-official-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-risks-release-of-dangerous-pathogens/

This article looks like mister Field and mister Pope got paid for it in rubles.

"Yes, we have labs in Ukraine. Yes, 26. Yes, they are guarded by American personnel. Yes, some of these labs and their personnel were part of Soviet bioweapon program network. Yes, as soon as Russia stopped partaking in their operation, Ukraine suffered several outbreaks of swine flu. Yes, they contain samples of dangerous pathogens. Yes, none of the labs reported destroying their pathogen storage when the war began. Yes, we planned to transfer the results of those labs' work to the US. No, no biological weapons, honest."

OkConcentrateNow · 2022-03-04T11:19:04+00:00

That report about Russia attacking the nuclear power plant? You had just witnessed the other side of misinformation campaign.

The land mass on which the nuclear reactors are located is still classified as "nuclear power plant" but it's humongous and the critical infrastructure may be occupying 1% of that land mass. I don't believe Russians are that dumb that they'd risk damaging the reactors by fighting close to it, nobody stands to gain anything from it and if damaging the reactors is their objective then they can simply bomb the shit out of them like they did in rest of the Ukraine.

Also it appeared that world governments recognized the fact that Russians were trying to capture it, not damage it, which is why there wasn't much of a reaction. If they assessed that they were actually intending to damage it then governments all over Europe and Asia will flip out.

Away_Day3975 · 2022-03-04T08:31:26+00:00

SLAVA ROSSII!!!

gimpgirl555 · 2022-03-04T06:47:13+00:00

The KGB is now starting to bump off Ukrainian Oligarchs.

gimpgirl555 · 2022-03-04T06:37:55+00:00

People are beginning to panic over the fighting at the nuclear power plant.... "the reactors are very close to the shelling site".

"There is a hit in the first power unit"

"We would like to remind you that the Zaporozhye power plant is the largest in Europe"

"The consequences can be terrible"

:/

I will be ordering those iodine tablets today.

Mrs_Drgree · 2022-03-04T02:26:27+00:00

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-angels-fan- · 2022-03-04T02:10:22+00:00

How long will soldiers fight for pennies now that the ruble is like less than a cent?

Mrs_Drgree · 2022-03-04T01:54:03+00:00

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lulll · 2022-03-04T01:38:35+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/t63m01/what_russia_is_doing_in_ukraine_right_now/

i totally wasnt expecting it

abaxeron · 2022-03-03T22:09:50+00:00

France seizes yacht linked to Russian oligarch at Mediterranean port

A little "Fuck yes" moment for everyone except the yacht's owner, even if not directly linked with the war events. Hope this becomes a standard practice. Horny on borders? Bonk, go to no luxuries jail.

LowCreddit · 2022-03-03T19:49:53+00:00

Here is a great talk predicting today's war back in 2014 right after Chrimea. It is over an hour long but done by a guy who actually knows what he is talking about.

Chaddamhusein · 2022-03-03T19:33:54+00:00

Allow me to introduce you to Alireza Firouzja, a top-rated chess player from Iran and the world's No. 2 ranked junior player, he left iran because he wasnt allowed to play against an Israeli player and is now in france, where he once again wasnt allowed to play in a tournament against a russian player until he changed his flag

Kinda ironic

edgyny · 2022-03-03T17:51:58+00:00

So... on top of the things I've read about how shitty in construction Russian armor seems to be, I'm now seeing claims that the reason Russia has been forced to switch to shelling after Ukraine didn't fall in hours is because... they ran out of precision weapons on the first day. Russia is a joke.

edgyny · 2022-03-03T15:03:53+00:00

Oh no! The Karens! Save us Putin!!!!

Late last week, as it started to become clear that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine had united much of the world in condemnation of Vladimir Putin, I turned on my favorite international propagandist network, Russia Today, to see how the horror was being justified.

And thus I discovered the real instigator of Europe’s worst conflict in decades: Karens.

“We have these people called ‘Karens,’ and they’re able to become angry at the drop of a hat,” said Lionel, an American conspiracist and right-wing pundit who has frequently contributed to Russia Today. In an interview with an RT anchor, Lionel — who, like Madonna, goes by one name — suggested that the collective denunciation of Russia’s actions in Ukraine was as unhinged as demanding to speak to the manager about some minor customer-service flap: “We are being conditioned to overreact to everything — and this Ukraine situation is no different,” he said.

Honestly, it was kind of sad. One does not expect much sophistication from Russia Today, the Russian government-funded television and internet outlet that has long been a haven for conspiracy theories and populist, anti-Western propaganda. Yet I was not prepared for the ineffectual clownishness of some of the arguments that RT has lately floated in defense of the invasion. And that was when RT mentioned the attack at all — many times in the past week I found the network mostly ignoring the present crisis and instead showing reruns of a grievance-laden documentary about Ukraine’s history originally aired in November.

From Putin No Longer Seems Like a Master of Disinformation

places0 · 2022-03-03T04:49:51+00:00

Real Talk. Every single TRP and MGTOW men that supports Ukraine is a weak hypocrite. ESPECIALLY if they are Ukranian men. In which case you're Zelenskys sheep to the slaughter.

Ukraine, a feminist nation that forces men to die for their government, while women and FEMALE children (male children still have to stay and die) get to flee. Ukraine was shouting girl power, until Russian paratroopers touched the ground, then its 'whats girl power? i didn't hear any girl power'. Men who may have never been given the time of the day by a women in their life, now have to die for them and their country.

Russia is the slap to the face to the western narrative of feminism that the West DESPERATELY NEEDS (its equality until its time to die). I am not Russian or Ukranian btw. But fuck the fact Ukraine men are forced to stay and die for the country.

And fucking reddit is actually unilaterally in support of THIS Ukraine/Zelensky. If my country forced me to fight and die for a cause i didn't want to or believe in, at the risk of being shot for deserting, i would view my country as the enemy, instead of the one they are forcing me to fight.

DrinkItInMan11 · 2022-03-03T02:21:00+00:00

I'm siding with neither country at this point because they're both corrupt as fuck and would be more than happy to see them tear each other apart.

Fuck Russia and Fuck Ukraine.

Sad_Top1743 · 2022-03-02T22:32:58+00:00

Tinder hoes when they find out the Ukraine PM is 5’7

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tinder/comments/t58wnm/tinder_girls/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

OraleEse13 · 2022-03-02T21:57:45+00:00

One is obviously the bully.

abaxeron · 2022-03-02T20:15:44+00:00

We're allowed some NSFW right?

Mods, do your thing if it's crossing the line.

CW: Putin, doritos, Mountain Dew, manboobs, katana, fedora, Lynx body spray, micropenis, Pickle Rick, dragon dildo, Call of Duty.

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edgyny · 2022-03-02T18:16:15+00:00

Now that Belarus has entered the war, what would happen if western "military operations" specifically target Belarus's military and infrastructure rather than directly engage Russia in Ukraine? It would threaten Russian logistics in Ukraine and divert forces since Russia seems to view Belarus as a safe space and not a front. Anyway if I were playing some video game I think I'd concentrate fire there.

QuenchlessGato · 2022-03-02T18:05:42+00:00

I really dislike the pro-Russia arguments about ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine having a right to basically secede and join the Russia. The history of Europe is a tale of constant change of borders, new countries appearing, old countries becoming history, unions and mergers of countries, etc.

If we were to suport any "ethnic" population we would spiral back to having a 100 of small countries in Europe. People have grown to accept that history changes and that they are part of the new countries instead of looking what was the order like 500 or 100 years ago and using that as a template of what is right and wrong.

whyte_lotus · 2022-03-02T18:02:29+00:00

All over Reddit is people karma whoring stuff about Russia. Russian tennis player loses Ukraine? Reddit bros reactions.

neetykeeno · 2022-03-02T17:15:22+00:00

https://youtu.be/PR2hK7CGa-g

Not directly related to the conflict but if you like history and culture and are deep diving into all that as a consequence of the Ukraine conflict bringing that area to your attention recently, here's a new fifty minute video, two experts talking about some what we know of the region from mediaeval times, heavy on linguistics. If that's your thing. It isn't everyone's thing but some of us are into it.

OldSimpsonsisbetter · 2022-03-02T16:45:29+00:00

Do you think Russia would attack a NATO country? There are very few non-NATO countries in Europe that are near Russia. Moldova is the obvious one. Then there is Sweden and Finland way up north.

edgyny · 2022-03-02T14:26:52+00:00

So... Moldova's next?

Edit: how fucking dumb does Lukosheko need to be to not see that Belarus's army is canon fodder to minimize Russian casualties and to weaken Belarus for Russia's annexation? Putin's gonna play the whole Ukraine thing as Belarus going off the rails and use that to justify Russia annexing of the whole thing. Fucking retard.

OfCatandPagan · 2022-03-02T13:46:33+00:00

Hope Ukraine wins

gimpgirl555 · 2022-03-02T13:04:02+00:00

Kiddos doing the jailhouse rock:

https://twitter.com/IlyaYashin/status/1498775599409774601?s=20&t=CfAYzai5X02Pj7sf_0Hc6Q

"But muh protests!"

Thread theme: https://youtu.be/gj0Rz-uP4Mk

Russian propaganda now has the # "let's be for peace". Lolololol.

abaxeron · 2022-03-02T11:43:52+00:00

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/28/europe/students-allege-racism-ukraine-cmd-intl/index.html

Official Ukrainian representative at the UN urged the members not to believe this CNN-published Russian fake.

Here is the exact place of filming on Google Street View. You can see the "Favorit" supermarket and weird road sign showing the currency exchange point. This is Ukrainian Shehyni village on Polish border.

Dem russkies are already filming fakes on Polish border of Ukraine with African actors. What a scale of logistics, eh.

Clarification: "this CNN-published Russian fake" is an artistic exaggeration; this is the point of the joke. The representative simply urged members not to believe Russian fake accusations of border racial profiling, and the same day the reports of this profiling came independently from CNN.

neetykeeno · 2022-03-02T08:43:04+00:00

Lol. There's an American dude in Ukraine who goes by the name Coach Red Pill on YouTube and was posting a bunch of proRussian stuff and now he's upset it is being used in propaganda without his permission being asked.

Is he someone with a known reputation for prewar idiocy in TRP circles?

geyges · 2022-03-02T04:31:21+00:00

Just want to note success of US intelligence here. And a mild failure of Ukrainians.

Oct 30: US reports irregular military movements by Russians
Nov 10: US warns of possible invasion
Nov 23-26: US sounds the alarm.
Jan 12: US tells Zelensky of unprecedented threat. Warns of invasion at any moment.
Feb 6: US says attack imminent. Tells diplomats to depart Kiev.
Feb 8: Ukraine saying their assessment of the situation doesn’t match that of the US.
Feb 13: US tells Americans to leave Ukraine now
Feb 19: Zelensky says, "Intelligence I trust is my intelligence". Appears to criticize US crying wolf.
Feb 24: Invasion Starts.

Your tax dollars do work sometimes.

logiauser · 2022-03-02T01:54:35+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ZXTF2phNU

How are comedians the only easy/reasonable source of news in 2020+. What a shame.

gimpgirl555 · 2022-03-01T21:35:36+00:00

So Cuba is the latest vacation spot among Russians. And now lots of idiots are stuck there and want the Russian government to come and save them.

abaxeron · 2022-03-01T20:36:50+00:00

https://youtu.be/2yAn-2SKur8?t=899

"Women so often disproportionately affected by conflict, as we have so often discussed in this chamber, will be at even greater risk of gender-based violence"

Always the greatest victims of war.

edgyny · 2022-03-01T14:02:23+00:00

Ok, I'm not up on conspiracytheoryland but this just occurred to me:

Everyone who has history with Putin keeps saying Putin is acting different/strange/crazy/bizarre etc.
Putin keeps having these weird meetings where everyone is kept on the other side of the room and not allowed to come close to him.
Putin's public addresses supposedly from different days seem to have been prerecorded while wearing the same outfits.

Has Putin been replaced with a doppelganger?

Yo_Mamas_azz · 2022-03-01T12:41:50+00:00

Unbiased opinion on the percent chance of there being some catostrophic shit happening in the next few months or years?

Like some shit actually comparable to ww2 or worse?

techr0nin · 2022-03-01T10:24:57+00:00

Do yall think the Ukraine-Russian conflict is getting so much attention online because the victims are white? I was thinking about how the Yemeni crisis is like 100x worse and got maybe 0.1% of the attention. I also saw a reporter trying to explain to the viewers how Ukraine is very “civilized” and “European” unlike places like Afghanistan that are war-torn (and guess why they’re war-torn) which to me was cringe AF.

And then there’s the whole deal with how Ukranian refugees are accepted as a matter of course, and you don’t hear any of the usual rhetoric of lack of resources, possibility of letting in (Russian) spies, possibility of letting in criminals etc like when it came to Syrian, Iraqi, and Afghani refugees. And now I’m seeing reports where black and East Asian refugees fleeing Ukraine are being turned away at Polish borders while white Ukranians are let in? Man this shit is whack as fuck.

OldSimpsonsisbetter · 2022-03-01T09:41:46+00:00

Ukrainian men are dying for their country, while western women call all men trash and cry because they have 1000 matches on Tinder but they are all "low quality" because they are not 6 foot 4 and earning 6 figures.

How did the west end up like this? It makes me wonder why men do anything for women anymore.

AquaChip · 2022-02-26T21:42:19+00:00

See a lot of Ukrainian women fighting along side of the men. I’m sure they pisses off the men trying to argue that women only run.

wtffellification · 2022-02-27T09:15:47+00:00

I wouldn't wish this on anyone, but maybe you Americans need a war on your own continent for once to set your priorities straight

Maybe then you'll see war as something else than an opportunity to take a stance against your political opponents or something to watch through screens during lunch because you're a bit bored

peanutbutterjams · 2022-02-27T09:26:52+00:00

bludkraze · 2022-03-01T08:34:06+00:00

We really needed more politics in this sub. What airhead came up with that idea lol

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Orange_Paisley · 2022-02-26T21:04:58+00:00

Narnia is Russian, yes? Hope she is okay.

goatismycopilot · 2022-02-26T21:43:46+00:00

I have read completely unsubstantiated stuff saying that Putin has Parkinson's. Probably just wishful thinking.

I did think The Death of Stalin was a funny movie.

My boss is originally from Poland and all of her family is there so she is not too happy this week.

jasonmuhmoa · 2022-02-26T21:50:34+00:00

All those young Ukrainian women fleeing to Poland and leaving behind their super soldier men are going to end up having sex with westerners while their patriotic losers lose their cucked lives lol

GuitarsBack · 2022-02-26T23:19:43+00:00

/u/WilliamWyattD

Will you be participating in this thread? Please?

lulll · 2022-02-27T00:19:28+00:00

they just blew something up in kyiv

UnfurtletDawn · 2022-02-27T02:44:18+00:00

I will give you some things from Slavic countries.

In Slovakia there is a moron that is saying how Putin is good and is waiting for his arrival. He was former politician. Well got doxxed and people are countering his protests where he support Russia.

When there was first immigration crisis Belarus took plenty of immigrants and send them to polish border. And now when Ukraine people were crossing the border some tried to cross as well. All were Arabic and were thrown back at Belarus. Lukasenko can go fuck himself.

Our Czechia president that was trying to defend Russia before shit hit the fan, turned 180 and now supports Ukraine. This one was unexpected.

Our sub is being flooded with all links to send money, some are even telling people to buy bulletproof vests that will be send to Ukraine. And now there were some people that wanted to go to Ukraine and help them. Our language is similar but not similar enough to quickly understand each other so the people had to talk some sense into them.

I have several coworkers that are from Ukraine and they seem really stressed out. They got notice to go defend their county but all of them have families here in Czechia so they are ignored it.

But plenty of Ukraine people went there, some of our companies noticed it fairly quickly because Ukraine people are the biggest minority in our country.

One shelter even has to stop accepting money because they are just full. It is really nice that we all got together to help our fellow Slavs.

But really just a week back we in Czechia were laughing at Pitomio (politician, his name is Tomio, and pitomec = dumbass) was stalling for several hours because he and his party didn't liked pandemic law. And he was seriously stalling first day stalled 3 hours just by himself and second stalled 5 hours.

And now bam, it really looks like WW2 when Hitler took our sudets just because and then went to take Czechoslovakia. So we are really suspicious that Putler won't end at Ukraine but will continue.

History repeats itself.

But if you want to laugh a little several years back there was a parody on how it would look if Czech Republic attacked Russia.

https://youtu.be/fIs6e6vYc_g

It has English subtitles.

lulll · 2022-02-27T14:13:06+00:00

just a reminder for people who have forgotten about what they did in chechnya

-angels-fan- · 2022-02-27T21:30:47+00:00

Anybody heard what the death toll is so far?

abaxeron · 2022-02-28T15:03:27+00:00

Why suddenly so many people call Belarus Belorussia/Byelorussia? I've seen it like 10 times from Westerners since the beginning of the war. Is it some sort of irony, or a meme, or what?

neetykeeno · 2022-03-01T04:15:43+00:00

So most recent drama in Sims 4 fandom was that EA was putting out a Wedding Stories pack for Sims 4 and they weren't going to sell it to Russian Sims players because some sort of woke excuse about Russia not allowing certain stuff and then everyone had a big fat whine over how that's not correct and how unfair that is to GLBTQ etc players in Russia and then EA backtracked after the Game changers refused to make prerelease content and said yeah fine Russia can buy it whatever and put the release off a fair time and the pack was very pretty but the gameplay was horrendously broken. And now everyone is dividing up along the usual post crapulent release fracture lines of "if you keep buying EAs shit you are an idiot and deserve what you get" vs "I will buy whatever I like and deserve it to be as described"

And what nobody is mentioning is that pretty much 90 percent of them were willing to go to the fucking wall to see that Russia got that pack...and the end result is probably that for some Russians that was the last international purchase they made before SWIFT buggered their credit card and now they've got a dumbass pack to play that fucks up weddings worse than they were before...and if the Russian economy gets brought down good and proper with shortages all round, every time they play the game they gonna wish they has twenty US dollars of almost anything but that pack.

And that was probably interesting to precisely none of you but I am parking it here because I can.

Fuck I am getting tired of the Sims 4 fans and the game is only half as fun without them. Should I buy Worldbox and take a freaking holiday from this shite? Karpenko kind of gives me the shitty Russian vibes though and idk where he is currently resident

Cataclysma324 · 2022-02-26T21:28:16+00:00

Will WWIII tip the dating market scale in favor of men? Some here like to talk about how wars balanced female hypergamy by removing half the men thus forcing women to compromise standards which would otherwise continuously climb higher and higher.

I don't think it will change anything though. A lot of blame is placed on certain dating apps and a war will not erase those. Of course, I sometimes question of said dating apps really have such a huge real world effect that they cancel out every other factor.

thoughtfulsoul10000 · 2022-02-26T21:50:55+00:00

I just hope Russia doesn't try to take anything else if it succeeds with annexing all of Ukraine. They were mad Ukraine wanted to join nato because they wanted to conquer it. They are mad Finland and Sweden want to join nato, and threatened nukes if they did, why? 🤔 Also there are 3 countries Lithuania is one of them, all three of these countries are protected by nato, and I heard that Putin wants to take them as well because they were former Russian states.

Shit might get real.

masochisticanalwhore · 2022-03-01T02:10:09+00:00

What does this have to do with gender politics?

flapperfemmefatale · 2022-02-26T21:07:21+00:00

It's weird AF that for the first time in my life, I'm aware of an armed conflict that I'd actually fight in if given the opportunity.

Yo_Mamas_azz · 2022-02-26T23:01:34+00:00

Why I support Chadimir Putin:

Looking at things purely from an SMP perspective, there is a surplus of young men on this planet. Just purely by the numbers, from my perspective the less amount of men on this planet I have to compete with, the better for me, and usually those being sent to war are of at least normal if not superb genetic quality compared to the average man, aka true competition being eliminated.

I think there is a decent chance that Russia may not stop at ukraine, and continue to escalate as it tries to reclaim former soviet territories. Compared to globally, women of post soviet countries tend to be one of, if not the most attractive women in the world, so of course them being displaced and under the desperation that accompanies being refugee, would give western men, the countries they are fleeing to, an upper hand and greater advantage in getting an attractive partner(s).

I think also we will see a drive down in the cost of sex work in Europe, as some of these women will choose this path as being their best option, and increase the supply.

Outside of the women, if things continue to progress there will likely be economic repercussions for many men as well, making them less attractive prospects and shifting more leverage to men who could provide.

Anyways, my prediction is that if this continues to progress, Europe may just become a poon haven for the right men.

gimpgirl555 · 2022-02-26T21:52:15+00:00

Based Chechens incoming: https://youtu.be/m6V1yk9IBPo

gimpgirl555 · 2022-02-27T15:50:14+00:00

"On the first day, it is a conflict. On the second day, it is a war. On the third day, it is a meat grinder"

Based Lukashenko tells Ukrainians what to expect.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1497948657395679237?s=20&t=NEm40dXc41kEKv3rtRNtxA

In other news: the entire Belorussian army will probably fight alongside Russia.

Zcuzz · 2022-02-27T04:51:27+00:00

The Ukraine is one of the poorest countries in Europe, bombs its own people, and literally has militias run by Neo-Nazis. Russia is saving those people from one of the most corrupt governments in Europe.

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