CMV A lot of the "toxicity" and "misogyny" are just men no longer making up lies to please women

Adept-Crab3951 · 2023-04-04T13:03:30+00:00

I got a headache trying to read this non-punctuated mess. Holy cow.

henryXsami99 · 2023-04-04T19:15:42+00:00

I had a stroke reading this

waffleznstuff30 · 2023-04-04T12:53:46+00:00

A lot of what you call toxicity and misogyny is men calling out behavior which is intolerable in women without the prospect of sex.

There it is! That is the problem right there.

That sex is some how the end all beat all and you can find a person intolerable but still want to sleep with them. That you don't even like the person you are sleeping with or attempting to sleep with. That you can justify toxic and misogynistic attitudes because you don't get sex. Or play a character/act a certain way to get sex then decide that person is intolerable after. It's about finding out if you click at a base level so they are not intolerable.

If you are chasing after intolerable people it's a you problem. You should like the person as a whole before having sex with them not just the utility of them. And I think that's what a lot of women are so frustrated with.

I wouldn't sleep with someone who annoys me or someone who has "intolerable behavior". I wouldn't entertain it. It's not doing me a favor or that person and ultimately a waste of time for both parties.

twistednormz · 2023-04-04T09:46:13+00:00

Sex to a man is like jewlery to a woman you'll go along with ridiculous **** to get it

As a woman I wouldn't go along with ridiculous anything to "get jewelry". I can buy my own jewelry if I want it after all. This just shows that you know nothing about women as people, you are assigning values to women that you think they have due to your own misogyny, rather than those they actually have.

TermAggravating8043 · 2023-04-04T07:25:06+00:00

In my experience, toxicity and misogyny, it’s either guys telling women they should get back in the kitchen and not respecting her as a person or individual but thinking of her as a child unable to think for herself, or guys blaming all their problems on the world around them and refusing to take any personal responsibility

obviousredflag · 2023-04-04T10:45:42+00:00

You really think your chances of getting laid increase when you call out women for their behavior and are toxic and misogynistic? The red pill teaches you a lot of crap but also some true things about general behavior and motivations for mate choice and mating behavior in men and women. You know women will act like they do. And you still think "calling them out" will change anything? This is not a social justice issue. You are not going to make women and men behave according to social justice in mate choice. Mate choice is super personal and a core issue of human life. It's the most important choice people make. It's a selfish choice and it will never be a moral or just one. It's your personal job to be attractive to women as a sexual partner or LTR partner, if you want to have that. You are not making a political fight for a higher minimum wage. You will not get women to a point where they see that men would suffer less if they just had sex a couple of times per year with them and then they do some form of charity-fucking. You do not have a right to sex. Sex must be earned by being a desirable partner and if you keep pissing them off, you will stay an undesirable partner.

y2kjanelle · 2023-04-04T13:15:39+00:00

We’re not children. You can call out bullshit and bad behavior without being misogynistic or toxic.

You can talk about a woman engaging in bad behavior without including “well this just proves all women are slutty, gold-digging, garbage, airheaded, fat whales with nothing to offer besides their holes” at the end of it.

MyLastBestChance · 2023-04-04T13:10:34+00:00

So you’re saying that most men are just naturally toxic and misogynistic but sometimes they try to hide it in order to get laid? Ok🤷‍♀️.

Golly, wonder why women aren’t terribly keen on most men 🤔 One of life’s great mysteries 🙄

KayRay1994 · 2023-04-04T15:42:09+00:00

in a way you’re not wrong, but not in the way you think - the especially shitty guys who covertly believed this stuff are now being louder and more blatant about it…. which, i’m glad y’all aren’t pretending anymore, would rather deal with a straight up wolf than a wolf in sheep’s clothing

Flightlessbirbz · 2023-04-04T11:31:37+00:00

Implying that women only deserve civility if they’re providing sex… really doesn’t help your case for not being toxic and misogynistic, let’s just say that. I mean yes if a woman is doing something that needs to be called out, then sure, she should be, same as a man. Whether you’re having sex or not is irrelevant.

Ockwords · 2023-04-04T16:39:16+00:00

Imagine unironically quoting bill maher to try and make a point. Yikes.

Edit: holy shit you quoted him twice??

Ano213214 · 2023-04-04T06:25:21+00:00

Reposted in CMV format as per mod request

gate18 · 2023-04-04T11:50:44+00:00

"older men are for some reason yes still more attractive than older women and it wouldn't be that way if you still didn't want to **** Sean Connery so shut up"-Bill Maher

That's not misogyny. Who is telling to shut up?

"you know if you say anything truthful but unflattering about a woman then or or women in general that's a political statement and they will play the big reeved minority card faster than you can say Johnnie Cochran which is ironic because they can say anything about us and we just take it I mean look at the words they use about it dog pig snake trap lizard we just but question you know anythingabout a woman or any female icon I never got so much hate mail is when I talked about Lady Diana who I please I know she was a lovely housewife who did some fine charity work period you know the problem is when it gets political " Bill Maher

He didn't say anything there. What did he say?

You know, he knows, I know, Lady Diana wasn't just a housewife.

And, tons of women get hatemale for speaking out. that's the fucking nature of being a public figure. If he said something shit about trump or obama, do you think he doesn't get hate mail?

"No but when men send hate mail the have a good reason, but women are..."

But for some reason he's such a snowflake that he thinks I'm saying she wasn't a housewife because I have issues.

Yes I've not had sex and yes if I could get laid right now I probably wouldn't concern myself with these issues, my silence could be bought for a few ****jobs.

Bill Haher has sex. You aren't saying anything, you are just quoting someone that has sex.

Soloandthewookiee · 2023-04-04T14:48:06+00:00

Misogyny doesn't stop being misogyny just because you claim you're being honest.

rantsincognito · 2023-04-04T09:06:51+00:00

Mostly right, but there are other reasons.

Part of it is the stereotype threat. Women blame modern men for the sins of older men, or stereotype men as evil - so can you really blame modern men for going "fine, then I'll be the villain you claim me to be". I mean, if you're gonna be treated that way and vilified for it anyway, why not actually do what you're being accused of? Modern men are being guilt tripped with "wOmEn CoUlDn'T eVeN gEt CrEdIt CaRdS decades ago", what does that have to do with a man born in the 90s or 2000s? Meanwhile, the old farts who actually had those advantages women bitch about are now trying to condescendingly play sage and to kiss up to women before they fuck off and die without having to deal with the consequences of the new world they are creating.

Antagonism makes sense too. There's a ton of shitty women out there. I can totally see why men would want to see those shitty women to be punished, or just face any sort of consequence at all. Hell, I'm mostly pro-choice, but when I hear some of the stupid shit women here say, I go "oh no abortion bans will cause harm to women? oh well, anyway..." and want to vote that way.

Just this past week there was a post on /r/dating (I think now deleted, but had tons of upvotes and awards) about a woman gloating how much easier it was for women to get laid and basically just "get what she wants with no consequences". Which let's face it, is mostly true. There'll be many women trying to deny it to play victim, but in the modern West - they're the privileged gender when it comes to dating. Of course that's gonna piss a lot of men off. Women can gloat about their advantages but men can't? All the men's advantages are basically crimes against humanity according to women these days.

So to challenge you view, I would say that part of it is also men making up lies (whether it is conscious or not) to rationalize their feelings because they are told having these feelings is wrong.

MGTOWManofMystery · 2023-04-04T18:44:06+00:00

No one is every satisfied with life or relationships. The problem is, Feminism has raised women's expectations to the moon while men's have stayed the same.

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Due-Lie-8710 · 2023-04-04T14:35:46+00:00

Sometimes yes and sometimes no , there is misogyny bt alot of women misuse misogyny like how they claim.man spreading was a form of toxic masculinity

Magnito-was-right · 2023-04-05T07:44:20+00:00

Look at the statistics most foreign women initiate divorce after they have their green card, it’s even higher than typical divorce rates

No-Rough-7390 · 2023-04-04T12:53:16+00:00

I disagree in that those terms are all contextual to women. The same behavior can be parroted by two men and received and interpreted differently by women based on who the guy is. This contrast also occurs at different points in a relationship if her view of the guy she is with changes.

In the comments I saw a bunch of whining about women being “in the kitchen”. Few things:

first: adults should be able to cook. Men and women.

Second: women cooking for their man is an act of love and care both historically and in many cultures. This by no means prescribed that women HAVE to, but if I were to meet a woman who outwardly says she doesn’t cook or had any kind of pushback about cooking for me, that’s the message right there to next her.

Third: also from the comments, the unrealistic fear that men are going to just up and ditch you at their first convenience is one I find confusing. Women will thoroughly enjoy laughing at the huge demo of incels, tell men it’s their problem they can’t get laid, etc (all of which is fine, do you) but at the same time men are just up and ditching their wives for other women constantly? Pick a lane lol. Really demonstrates the cognitive dissonance you’re dealing with.

LillthOfBabylon · 2023-04-04T14:38:20+00:00

A lot of the "toxicity" and "misogyny" are just men no longer making up lies to please women

Being a pathological liar still makes the person toxic.

Clementinequeen95 · 2023-04-04T11:35:53+00:00

You guys genuinely don’t value women as humans and it shows. You literally only see us as a sex object.

ARatOnPC · 2023-04-04T12:07:48+00:00

The only thing a lot of women offer is sex. Besides that they are boring as fuck.

satisfiedmind- · 2023-04-04T16:17:14+00:00

Who tf is Bill Maher? He doesn’t make and sense.

Wtf is this about jewellery? Are we supposed to like jewellery more than sex? Obviously sex is better than jewellery.

eye_of_gnon · 2023-04-04T13:22:42+00:00

Much of "toxic masculinity" is just regular masculinity. Being a competitive, shit-starting asshole has always been a part of masculinity, and overall it's not separable from the nicer parts of masculinity like ambition, toughness, etc. They're two sides of the same coin

amyg36819 · 2023-04-04T10:52:16+00:00

i totally agree. i see a few of my male friends trying to “get laid” but older women. all these red pill youtubers (Tate brothers, Fresh and Fit, Brian on Whatever Podcast, and i also think Candace Owens) are probably saying all of what they’re saying just for clicks. it’s nonsense and i don’t understand anyone who falls for this. used to believe it but look at real life and the ordinary person doesn’t believe in that extreme behaviour. hate to break it to these believers but not all women on planet Earth want the typically attractive man. im personally very small so i don’t prefer someone who is 6’ and very built. i’ve dated differed types of guys and i have my preferences. but wait even so why does it bother them that women have preferences. if i want a guy taller than me my preferences are unrealistic. if i want a guy my height or smaller then im a pick me. even if a guy says something like “ew you have a high body count” or “you have a big belly you need to go gym” i have stopped caring honestly. red pillers will never be happy and i just give up now

LupeDyCazari · 2023-04-04T16:15:30+00:00

Most of the married men I cucked were in their 40s, with the rest of the cucks I cucked being in their mid 30s to late 30s.

Married women are the easiest women out there to get laid with. Even easier than with escorts. Go talk to a 20 year old trophy wife, married to a guy in his 40s, and unless you are ugly or fat or lack social skills; chances are pretty good she will let you smash.

I fondly remember being 25 and hooking-up with a 19 year old who was married to a 45 year old man. She was astounded that I could get rock-hard instantly, that I could go for 30 minutes and more straight-fucking whereas her husband could barely last more than a few minutes, and after 20 years of chain-smoking and lack of physical exercise, he could barely get it hard, and when it was hard.. meh, average size cock.

She was also amazed that I don't have a refractory period and that I can go on fucking all day long. I was also much bigger than her husband, but that has nothing to do with age and everything to do with genetics.

Growing up, I'd often overhear my grandfathers mistresses talking about how hung my grandpas were and how they couldn't keep up with them when they were young.

The only thing young, attractive women want from old men and yes, men past the age of say, 32? are old, is money and a place to live without having to pay rent.

Men don't get better with age. Unless by getting better you mean getting wrinkles, a floppy dick, and an hairline that keeps on taking holiday trips up north to Canada.

Hey, did you know middle-aged men smell differently from young men?

Brah, Mother Nature never intended for old dudes to get with young women. If it wasn't for these guys money, these women would enver notice their existence.

Men peak at 21 to 25.

That is when men are naturally muscular/athletic, have a defined jawline, and have a full head of thick hair and a cock that works overtime 24/7 with the woman only needing to be alive for him to get rock-hard.

Of course I'm talking about real men.

Not the abominations of nature, the freaks that make up the ranks of the red pill and black pill.

No, bro, I'm pretty sure that the reason why you can't get laid is because you most certainly suffer from severe autism.

Calling out women ''on their bs'' only makes you look like a sore loser. You are like those chicks whose sub is all about going around reddit copy pasting commentaries from dudes and then saying how much those dudes are losers.

And you don't deserve anything. You either get what you can get or you don't get anything because you can't get anything, and the reasons why you can't get anything are all about you, and got nothing to do with women.

LMAO dude re-reading the shit you just wrote, I can see why women in America get gun licenses and buy guns and learn how to shoot.

Mrs_Drgree · 2023-04-04T14:25:44+00:00

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APA770 · 2023-04-05T11:15:32+00:00

Don't worry. The vast majority of women don't even know what the word "misogyny" means. They think that it means "a man who dares to criticize a woman" or "a man who said something that a woman doesn't like".

They are ignorant - or too stupid to understand that misogyny is the hatred of women. Criticizing women is not, and will never be, misogyny.

fghr8 · 2023-04-04T18:08:23+00:00

Yeah but a lot of them cry about women not dating them. Maybe because of their misogyny

NationalistGoy · 2023-04-04T15:50:53+00:00

the idea that women lose value as they age

This is objectively true. Younger women are sough after and desired far more than mature women. This isn't some sort of conspiracy, men are simply attracted to perky tits, firm ass and a face without wrinkles, etc. Doesn't matter how you want spin it, it's sinple, men like younger, hotter, beautiful women.

men in their 40s will have the ability to pick and choose any women they want

The red pill doesn't say "ALL men will have their pick of young women when they reach their 40s", this is just an exaggeration and missinterpretation of a red pill concept.

The red pill states men usually reach their peak between 35 and 45 years old. But not ALL men reach their prime. I think it was Rollo Tomasi who said "all women reach their peak, but NOT all men reach their peak".

The peak of a man is comprised of several things, social status, financial status, physical appearance, among other things. Do all men have a good social status in their 30s and 40s? No. Do all men have a good financial status in their 30s and 40s? No. Are all men in great physical shape in their 30s and 40s? No.

Only men who have achieved those things have reached their peak. The rest of the men have never experience true abundance of women and sex in their lives.

you know if you say anything truthful but unflattering about a woman then or or women in general that's a political statement and they will play the big reeved minority card faster than you can say Johnnie Cochran which is ironic because they can say anything about us and we just take it

This is true. Whoever denies this needs to talk to people more often.

the_jingster · 2023-04-04T15:28:54+00:00

Women calling men toxic and misogynistic is just a shit test to filter out the fakes

Flashy-Country-800 · 2023-04-05T03:00:50+00:00

Who the fuck runs around doing wild shit for jewelry lol

Most women want to be married with kids, not disgusted by the father, and not expected to pay 50/50 for life when motherhood is 100/0.

New_Hat8820 · 2023-04-04T15:06:03+00:00

Exactly. Women don’t realize men have been lying to get what they want and now we’re tired of it. Really really tired. We need to restore order

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Irys-likethe-Eye · 2023-04-04T19:18:29+00:00

This is a weird flex... What's not toxic and/or misogynistic about lying to women or anyone else for that matter to get what you want out of them? What makes you think that was ever considered pleasing?

mc0079 · 2023-04-05T15:09:45+00:00

"Yes I've not had sex"

Ahh so your an expert I see?

Laniekea · 2023-04-05T20:34:06+00:00

I have way more sex than I buy or think about jewelry.

just_a_place · 2023-04-05T22:30:40+00:00

The buzz word "misogyny" is so damned overused I am seriously thinking that it probably doesn't actually exist and women love using that bullshit accusation just for the emotional effect. Just like how they have fucked up the word "literally" and overuse it incorrectly with the wrong meaning.

I do not think it is possible for men to literally hate all women jus becuz they are wUmin! That is just stupid. It is not psychologically possible to hate something just for the sake of hating it.

Phylum-Chordata · 2023-04-07T16:05:55+00:00

This is very true. The advent of social media irrevocably have changed both sexes. Women now use Instagram-standards as a baseline for a mate, and men have been communicating with other men about how shallow and hypocritical women tend to be.

Title	CMV A lot of the "toxicity" and "misogyny" are just men no longer making up lies to please women
Author	Ano213214
Upvotes	187
Comments	437
Date	April 4, 2023 6:25 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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