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It's also funny to me that women don't seem to care that average men are incredibly eager to be ...well, whatever kind of man you tell them you want. For an average guy, if it's within his power to change himself into that kind of man, he will break his back trying to make that happen. Literally just tell him

The reason PUA, then later TRP started is that women were lying - they kept saying that liked one thing while fucking something completely different. The whole underlying ethos of both movements is, "let's try to figure out what women really want and lets change ourselves into that as best we can"

Women would save everyone considerable time if they'd just articulate it themselves. The problem is, what they really want is always a minority - they want the top X% of men because those men are rare, not because of any intrinsic attribute.

There's an analogy that explains this quite well. Imagine you collected up the top 100 most attractive men from all over the world - these would all be, by definition, top-tier alphas. Out in the real world, these men can have any woman they want. You drop these men on an island with 100 randomly selected (read: average) women. What happens next? Well, I guarantee you that one (at least one) of those 100 men is going to lock down two women. Yeah. One of those guys is going to be good enough to convince two women to fuck him and only him. The implication is, one of the other guys has just become an incel - while he had been a lady killer back home.

Women can't tell us what they want because what they want is a moving target. They don't want "attractive men" they want "comparatively attractive men" - the top men. Always the top men.

And the real reason they don't like TRP is that they don't want us "faking it" - that's not what truly top-tier men do. Even if we're talking about something objectively real, like physical fitness - they don't want a weak slob of a man to become a gym rat and look better. Those are still possibly weak slob genes. They want a man who had it all along - a top tier man.

To be fair, men have a similar fear. If makeup didn't already exist, we sure as shit wouldn't invent it. If we say to women, "we want you to have smooth skin, bright eyes, long healthy hair, because these are indicators of fertility" - if women just today invented makeup, we might respond to it in a way similar to how people respond to TRP. "I don't want makeup, I want someone with good skin."

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Women have different sexual preferences

That's a thought-terminating cliche. The existence of variation in preferences doesn't negate the possibility of generalization for the purpose of targeted improvement.

It's like if I'm designing a product and I want it to be marketable to as many people as possible, I might have a discussion about what size will be most comfortable. Your response is, "pEOple ARe diFFErent HEIghts!!11oneone" as though that fact prevents me from designing and marketing my product.

The existence of variation in height doesn't negate the possibility of generalizations like, "most people are X height" - and such generalizations are often useful, as for example when designing certain kinds of products.

Same with human sexuality. TRP doesn't make claim to knowing what all women like. Hell, some women like bald dudes. But we can generalize, and decide that if you have a choice between hair or bald, hair is better. And the existence of women who like bald dudes doesn't negate that.

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It’s really not subjective, the problem is patriarchy forced women to choose against our natural instincts and thwarted our abilities for so long that a lot of undesirables made it into the gene pool that really shouldn’t have. Patriarchy gives some of these dweebs and incels a chance so they don’t shoot up the place by state enforced female subservience, disenfranchisement, and misogynist propoganda.

These boys probably would have been eliminated from the genepool some time ago if it weren’t for patriarchy and forcing women to marry for basic survival.

Women were not allowed to vote and aren’t allowed education. Every man seems smart if the woman is uneducated.

Every man looks strong and confident if he can vote and own property and run businesses and women can’t.

When it comes to physical fitness, attractiveness, we can’t let that make our decisions for us because in a patriarchy you have to ensure your future security so you choose beta bux.

Now that we can do all these things, a lot of you are clearly lacking and it’s pissing us off. All the “women can’t do x... or “women aren’t as good as men at ___” in every capacity except physical is bullshit and we all know it now.

You’re bigger than us and that’s about it.

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If the vast majority of men had hair, you think we’d suddenly find balding attractive? In places where most men were tall, are women clamoring for short guys?

No, because that's not how evolution works. The way it works is, there is variation in every population, and that includes variation in female sexual preference. If the environment is such that one trait or another confers selective advantage, women don't actually know that - they aren't conscious of it. They continue to make their choices based on those inborn preferences.

There are environments where shorter men left more and healthier offspring. Polynesians are a good example - I assume because of a combination of scarce food and the utility of shorter-framed men in boats. At any rate, if you dropped a random selection of men and women in such an environment, for the first generation, the tall men would be preferred.

But in that population, there would be the occasional woman who, just by random variation, preferred short men. Because of the environment, that woman would leave more and healthier offspring. It would take many generations, but eventually the population would consist largely of women who prefer short guys.

Your comment about women always liking a minority of men makes no sense.

I have sound scientific support for it. Here's one example: https://www.nature.com/articles/299818a0

For whatever reason (I don't claim to know why), birds with longer tails leave more and healthier offspring. This results not only in females who prefer long tails, but females who prefer even longer tails than are available - in other words, a minority of birds. They don't like the average, they like the extreme end of the bell curve - you know, the long tail

I have scientific support for everything that I believe.

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It works because patriarchy laid the groundwork for you by socializing women to think they’re supposed to be subservient or defer to men and not trust their own intelligence.

Men stop caring at "it works" stop rewarding that behavior and men will stop.

That’s why you hate older or well accomplished women and go for young naive waitresses - A smarter more self assured woman develops the ability to recognize most men are painfully average, less intelligent than they claim, and FOS.

This sort of thing is exactly why men say women like tools, you date painfully average idiots that are full of shit. Then you wonder why men assume that's what you like

What’s interesting is that women are now being more educated than men so we’ll see how that changes gender dynamics.

Finally someone is telling these poor women that men are pigs that only want one thing. It's a new message that's never been heard before.

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Men stop caring at "it works" stop rewarding that behavior and men will stop.

Well, we keep trying to chief but of course men keep throwing tantrums and destroying society when we start trying to thin the gene pool.

This sort of thing is exactly why men say women like tools, you date painfully average idiots that are full of shit. Then you wonder why men assume that's what you like

By definition, average man is average. Women get a lot of social conditioning and bullying early on to tether ourselves to these losers. It’s called patriarchy.

Finally someone is telling these poor women that men are pigs that only want one thing. It's a new message that's never been heard before.

Missing the point. Male supremacy was maintained by literal state enforced female disenfranchisement and subservience. Now that you don’t have that, how you going to get us to put up with your BS now?

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Well, we keep trying to chief but of course men keep throwing tantrums and destroying society when we start trying to thin the gene pool.

Lol, did you just call me cheif?

Come on now, you're not fucking Brad the bum to prevent the down fall of Western Civilization, you're fucking him because you want to

definition, average man is average. Women get a lot of social conditioning and bullying early on to tether ourselves to these losers. It’s called patriarchy

Most men are average and most women are average and those average people pair off. Not because of the evil patriarchy, but because that's how numbers work.

Missing the point. Male supremacy was maintained by literal state enforced female disenfranchisement and subservience. Now that you don’t have that, how you going to get us to put up with your BS now?

On a societal level you still need us because we fund everything, men pay more in taxes than we take out and women pay less than they take out. On an individual level most women aren't bat shit crazy and still want settle down and start a family.

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This is a much longer discussion and maybe I’ll make a separate post, but basically it boils down to not wanting stupid, ugly, weak babies. The “weak” part is going to be influenced by her environment and requires context.

So a guy who looks like Jason Momoa but is fresh out of prison with a 5th grade education is going to give you stupid babies and is probably a sociopath and won’t have earning the ability to support you, so most women aren’t going to take the risk. His physical attractiveness would still be noted, but his other qualities would cause him to be rejected.

UNLESS the woman is a hoodrat with a 5th grade education herself. I’ve seen plenty of broke attractive men who have women supporting them. It’s clearly solely the way he looks because he doesn’t have shit else going for him and doesn’t treat them that well.

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As a woman I relate to none of this.

I understand that, but you should know it's not surprising.

Imagine a car company deciding to use a sexy supermodel to sell a sports car. The theory goes that men are more likely to purchase the car when they see a beautiful woman standing beside it. Imagine a man replying that no, his purchases are not motivated by sex, that he decided to buy the car because of its performance, not because of the girl.

That man isn't lying ...he just isn't right. Marketing does work, even though we don't realize it works.

It's just part of being a human that we aren't always conscious of our true motivations. This comes up in social science experiments constantly. Here's an example in which, "after being primed with constructs related to the law, participants perceived social actors as less trustworthy" - if I stated that result in the typical TRP way, I might say, "you can influence people to find you less trustworthy by priming them with constructs related to law"

And then you might read that and think, "uh no, I'm not going to trust you or mistrust you because you talked about law and order! I relate to none of this."

My response is, I don't expect you to relate to it. But you also shouldn't reject it out of offense.

Would you like a gender-flipped version of this? Why do (heterosexual) men tend to like women's breasts? Answer: because the existence of breasts advertises fertility - it indicates a woman who is sexually mature and able to produce offspring. You, in your female dating strategy subreddit might give advice like, "if you want to attract men, make it look like you're able to have children"

How should I, as a man, respond if I see that? Should I be incredulous? "Excuse me sweaty but I don't want to have kids - I don't care if a woman is fertile, I like what I like."

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You’re mad at us for lying

Nope. Nothing I've ever said, in that comment or any previous comment suggesting I'm mad at you about anything.

You're projecting. You're bringing your own baggage into this thread.

you’re enraged when we tell you the truth.

Nope. My claim is that you're unable to tell the truth.

Either way it’s your fucking problem

Making ourselves attractive to women is indeed our problem. Nobody in TRP has ever suggested otherwise.

for being dense and entitled AF

Nope. There's nothing I've ever said, in that comment or any previous comment suggesting entitlement.

Once again, this is you projecting your own negative emotions onto me.

women prefer to fuck attractive men.

This is a tautology.

The rest of this rant is a random collection of massive projections that don’t have merit.

Nah, it's all perfectly lucid and meaningful, and you are unable to rebut any I've ever said, in that comment or any other comment.

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Well I believe you, I guess this all just boils down to class and regional differences. Like in all my circles, girls would get BTFO acting like you and frankly I think my economic situation is far closer to normal than yours. A lot of this is everyone’s broke, shit costs too much and everyone has multiple jobs etc. men flat out can’t fulfill these roles because it’s musical chairs with jobs and there’s not enough spots for everyone to win 🤷‍♀️

Here’s how this would go if you moved to most of CA for a new job and tried dating. This is a hypothetical convo with my boy Jason (6’, handsome former male model, early 30s, 55k-70k/year marketing and bar tending on the side, socially outgoing, naturally fit from sports, purple pill views)

Jason: “so yeah dude I went on a date with this hot older chick I met at (bar).”

Bros: “siiiick dude you got her nudes or what?”

Jason: “nah here’s her insta tho “

Bros: “damn she’s fine, how old again? Doesn’t look it. No kids? Nice!”

Jason: “yeah she was hot has a great job too but then she like got weird when the bill came. I was like wtf does this bish really expect me to pay the whole thing? Like drinks and tip too? (Reataurant) is kinda pricy, that would be like 75$. The crazy thing is I’m p sure she makes way more money than me too, kinda fucked up tbh. Idk I texted her later she hasn’t replied yet, maybe it was something else I did.”

Bros: (RECORD SCRATCH) “wtf? Yeah that’s cray, you said she’s from out of town or something maybe it’s different there? Who cares NEXT!”

And this would be your best case scenario by far and away. The rest of the dudes would act like this but be less hot.

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One stick of eyeliner costs $20. That’s half a meal.

Wait, you buy a new stick of eyeliner every time you go on a date??

No. You don't. How long do they last (I honestly have no idea) - a year maybe? And how many dates in that year? 50? So the proper comparison is you spend $20/50 = forty cents in eyeliner on a date.

The cost to get your hair did is probably a better comparison.

Regardless, I think that over at FDS you're putting the cart before the horse. You seem really fixated on the fact that men are reticent to pay for shit. I notice a post you made recently in which you say, "I’ve never had a man pay for my dinners. I’ve also never had a man treat me right."

First of all, I'm sorry to hear that. No sarcasm here. I truly empathize and I hope you can find happiness.

What I'd like you to think about is: you wont get what you want by simply demanding it - any more than a man can get sex by demanding it.

Of course, it goes without saying that you also wont get what you want by pure chance, and if you allow people to take advantage of you, they will. So, it's good for you to talk about "knowing your worth" over on the FDS subreddit.

I just want you to understand that if you get into this weird standoff with men where you say "I demand you pay for my dinner!!" and the men say, "I'm not going to pay because that'll make me a chump when you eat for free and then go spend the night with your fuck-buddy" - you're not going to reach your goal of happiness.

If you want the subreddit to be dating strategy as opposed to dating demands then think about what you can do to motivate men toward the behavior you seek. In TRP we have to ask, "what kind of men do women have sex with, and how can we be more like those men" - you might want to ask, "what kind of women do men take out on expensive dates - what kind of women are treated well"

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I don’t care what men want.

Do you understand that not caring is likely a poor dating strategy?

Good for you that you've stopped dating, but if you're claiming to offer dating strategy to others, then you kind of need to care. Otherwise, it seems like you're giving bad advice.

a lot of women in FDS have given up on men and dating. I have.

I'm sorry you had bad experiences. Maybe if someone had offered you useful advice your outcome would be different.

I am there as a guide for younger women who are still navigating that field.

...guide them toward what? Toward success in dating? Toward happiness? Why not just tell them quit like you did? Why not create a subreddit named, "quitting_dating"

I care about women’s lives and helping them avoid the same costly mistakes I made.

Do you have a path that ends in happiness? Or are you guiding them toward quitting? If it's the latter, then why not just advocate for that openly?

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If I got my dream makeup set every 6 months like “women should”. My expense would be around $500 bi annually. Or $1000 per year.

*facepalm* - so if you're dating about once a week, $1000/50 = $20 per date. That's if you're only using the makeup for dating. If you're using the makeup five days a week for work and one day a week for a date, then the date share of that expense is, $1000/(50*6)/6 = 55 cents.

Like I said, your hair is a better expense to complain about.

Also, why the quotes around "women should" - surely you don't think men are telling women what kind of makeup to wear!

Been using makeup since 16. Thats $20,000 to look pretty.

How many dates have you been on? I bet I could fill a small country with the number of men who would pay $20,000 for 20 years of being attractive to the opposite sex, getting dates easily, and having the number of choices you had.

As I mentioned in another comment, I am honestly very sorry that you didn't get the outcome you hoped for and have now given up on dating. I suspect there are different choices you could make, and different behaviors you could exhibit that would have resulted in success - I hope there's another version of you in an alternate universe that is happy and fulfilled and perfectly content.

but you're not a victim here. Paying 55 cents per date on makeup is not oppression.

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Actually no my hair is not more expensive than my make up.

I never said I was a victim.

I have repeatedly said I don’t even desire to date men as I’m all abused out and over the idea of risking my safety for some mediocre dude to not satisfy me sexually. My dating life is over because I value my life. The fact that my male peer group is full of violent pornography users is a function of the time I’m living in.

The point of the matter is. Men desire beauty but are completely ignorant to the lifelong costs associated with beauty. Not only the purchasing. But the psychology behind worrying if you’re good enough, constant diet monitoring and missing out on learning valuable skill sets as a teen girl because the beauty factor is all encompassing. And FDS is here to say hey. Stop caring about stupid shit that fundamentally does not help your life. Like men who think they are the prize. And men who discount the lifelong inequality women manage to survive in. The men who think paying for a date is simply ‘too far’.

If I had screen as per FDS rules. My life would have been far less traumatic. It’s not just money women risk in the love game. It’s our literal lives. But men like you are literally ‘discounting’ my experience. So whatever.

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Look, I always pay for the first date, and I don't take no for an answer. If she absolutely insists, I'll let her pay on the second, but usually women appreciate the gesture.

What you're doing is some wacko rationalization about why men should be "expected" to pay for the first date, or even more, and you're trying to make it sound like some kind of equitable transaction. If you think $20 worth of eyeliner is what's going to make the difference between him being attracted to you or not, then your issues probably start there.

Here's what I think: You like the idea of men being chivalrous, but that flies in the face of the whole "women's empowerment" narrative. This attitude is a huge turn-off for men because you're trying to have your cake and eat it too. You want to be strong and independent, but you also want men to foot the bill for your shit. You just can't have it both ways.

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Yeah, I think this whole conversation (like most conversations on PPD lately tbh) is complicated by online vs. offline dating. Atlas and I have talked about this before, we couldn't figure out where all these formal "dates" where happening because neither of us ever experienced this despite being from totally different backgrounds and generations, and then we realized the formal dinner date must have made a comeback due to online dating.

I guess when you meet online it's expected that you meet up somewhere public and I guess for some women they expect that to mean the guy is taking them out. Whereas if you just run into each other at bars and parties and make out and hook up until it evolves into a relationship, things are more organic and there's less structure and fewer expectations.

It's interesting that something so modern (OLD) has sort of forced us to return to a more traditional dating model. Definitely a good idea for a post.

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Thank you, and lol at Britney. I’m actually a party pooper who hates Halloween and hides at home (same with the night before Thanksgiving - the cops can catch other people, thank you very much)

I mean seriously do guys in your world just have tons of cash to blow on dinners for two?

I don’t know what these guys dating histories looked like, or what they invested/didn’t invest in past dates. I do know that they had options, including women sending at least 2 of them texts offering NSA blow jobs (yes, I saw these come through with my own eyes)

It’s possible that they weren’t interested in these girls seriously and therefore didn’t blow a ton of money on them. I mean, they got the BJ offers, why buy the dinner?

But here’s what the four guys I accepted first dates with did for me:

A (who I’m still seeing) - spent money on me when he really shouldn’t have. Had I been aware of where he was at in his custody case, I actually wouldn’t have allowed it, and I started going Dutch or paying as much as I could when I found out (he’s my exception to the rule, given the legal case)

B (dated casually for a couple months; he hilariously mailed me a literal bag of dicks when I broke things off) - offered vacations and even tried to rent a house for me so I could move out of the marital house that’s on the market. Paid for everything, would get mad if I even glanced at my wallet. He is a local celebrity type, so he had literal groupies chasing him

C (two dates) - openly talked about wanting to be in a “power couple” and what he could offer me financially. Paid for drinks on both dates (no dinner was had), and talked about how he loved to buy beautiful women jewelry

D (one “date”) - we met organically at a bar. He picked up my entire tab for the night when I was in the bathroom, but I never responded to his texts after that because I decided I didn’t really like him - he was pushy and annoying by the end of the night, and it wasn’t a formal date to begin with

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Guy A is unbelievably attractive (I forget if you’re one of the PPDers I’m friends with on FB, but if you are, you’ve seen a pic of us together). B was slightly less so, but his status made up for it. C was meh, but was significantly younger and he was the first guy to ask me on a date post-divorce so I figured why not. D was hot but dumb as rocks and pushy

I’m almost 40. I’m not supermodel hot at all, but I’m comfortable saying I’m attractive. I’m also short (5’2)

It’s the old “if she’s you’re type, a hot girl becomes your personal 10.” Each of these guys came of age in the Pam Anderson/Jenny McCarthy busty, slim hipped, natural blonde era. Lucky for me, that’s exactly my look - so, for these guys, I’m their personal type. Guys going for a JLo look would definitely not rate me as high

Probably personality, too - IRL, I’m wildly more bubbly and positive than I come across here. I’m not your jaded cat lady type

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No, we would not have accepted that last date unless we wanted to give him one more chance for chemistry. Sure some chicks do the free dinner dates but most of us aren't aligned with that esp because our time is valuable and we make enough $$$ where it's not worth it to waste an evening like that.

If said man gets dumped after that date its because he failed to attract her, simple as that.

And I can tell from your attitude that sex is some kind of reward you get for buying them dinner that you're bad at it and part of the reason communities like fds exist..

Women don't reward men with sex for buying them dinner. Some ladies have low self-esteem and feel guilted into it. Women sex with men they are attracted to and feel compatible with because it is not a reward, it is a mutual enjoyable event.

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As a regular lurker on FDS, I've seen this argument a lot and it does make some sense. However, it also seems like a recipe for seriou fiscal responsibility. I mean, isn't the first date (or two) supposed to be about getting to know each other and seeing if you are interested in pursuing something more?

I definitely understand not wanting to have sex with someone you barely know, for a bunch of reasons, and it makes sense to expect someone to show you he's invested before you get intimate, but is it really reasonable to expect somebody to be invested in you before you've even been on a date? Obviously, not all first dates are with strangers or semi-strangers, but plenty are, and it seems weird to me to expect a guy to be invested in you before he even knows you...

Having said this, I do have to admit that I don't think I'd ever feel comfortable asking a girl to pay or split the bill on the first date, but I feel like that's more my internalized patriarchy than anything else. (It's also part of why I don't use dating apps and tend to avoid trying to find women to go on dates with in general. Dinner and drinks for two is not cheap on a teacher's salary!)

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Oh, calm your tits. I’ve been very open about the fact that I come from a WC family, and managed to luck my way up in life (through a combination of things) until I met my ex who (by virtue of marrying me) leap frogged me into UMC life

But there’s a hard limit on me, and that’s where I am - I’ll never pass for regular UMC, I’ll always be lower UMC at best. Despite his pedigree, I still have that working class cultural background and just can’t relate when people start yammering on about boarding school, summering on the Vineyard and whatnot. I can look and play the part, but actual upper UMC and UC folks know I’m an outsider the second I open my mouth

I’m ok with this. And while there are plenty of male snobs in the circles I run in these days, there are plenty more who are ok (or even like) the idea of a woman with my background

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If the justice system knows she was pregnant then it's a double homicide. They don't care about trimesters and shit.

I know you don't make the laws, but the laws certainly support you simply for being a woman. That's your privilege. The American legal system quite literally views women as children; and this means that you aren't held to the same standards men are.

You're probably crying about this, but it's the reason why you'll get shorter sentences for the same crime; it's why you'll always get custody, get alimony, get child support, no matter what. Because you're a woman.

Men have to deal with that fact, on top of all this feminist bullshit happening outside the law. Men can't win anywhere.

And you have the audacity to claim "most men are inferior". No, men like that are giving you the best of both worlds and as an American woman you are the most privileged, entitled creature to ever exist in the history of our planet, and still claim to be repressed.

You can literally live however you want and it's all at the expense of these "inferior" men you hate.

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I'm not sure about this law being all in with pregnancy. US law is based on statutes, some that were created a long time ago.they get challenged. I actually think I recall seeing an episode of law & order that covered this and they weren't sure if it counted or not because they thought she was in the second trimester in the fan. She was in the third or some shit like that....obviously law & order is fiction but a lot of their episodes are based on real cases.

I don't claim to be repressed. I'm now American but I come from shitty communist Russia and know a very different life.

My state doesn't award alimony.

The rest of your comment is hyperbolic triggerism. You make some points but crying 'always, always, always' negates them.

Funny how you claim that I'm crying. Why don't you tell me to my face that I'm crying I dare you. Get down here and fight me in Town Hall square!

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RP stuff that's said in even the nicest tone you could think of would STILL be considered sexist and dangerous.

Oh nonsense. If you acknowledged that a fair chunk of this stuff wasn't "the nature of women" but rather "the nature of people," and framed it as such, no one would be bothered.

"Hey man, you know how there are some sexy, kinda slutty girls you'd totally bang but wouldn't want to marry or anything? There are girls who feel that way about certain guys."

"If some kinda ugly chick you weren't into kept falling all over herself to do shit for you, it wouldn't make you more into her, would it?"

"You know how you care about your girlfriend being attractive? Women care about their boyfriends being attractive."

(heck, you might even point out at that point that a lot of the old memes RP hates on are technically true, you just have to take them very literally. Be yourself and someone WILL want you--but that's "someone" not necessarily "someone hot")

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But a lot of the RP mantras wouldn’t make sense when applied to men. Things like “hypergamy”, “N count to commitment likelihood ratio”, and “Briffault’s Law” are things RP would consider exclusive to women.

And all three of those things would be considered sexist, regardless of how they are said. I don’t agree with those three things necessarily, but I’d be a fool if I thought for one second that society as a whole (especially women) would be receptive to any of those concepts, no matter how they were packaged.

Plus, women and men are attracted to different things in each other, so the parallels you’re making in your example quotes don’t make sense. A woman is more likely to be with an ugly man than a man would be with an ugly woman, so the “care about your boyfriend being attractive” thing wouldn’t have the same dynamic or sexual strategy.

And the “just like men have women they just want to fuck, women have men they just want to fuck” wouldn’t make sense either, because men and women disagree over the importance of N counts and the entire “a key that can open any lock... blah blah blah” bullshit. RP ideals wouldn’t make sense when applied to both genders, and I think that’s why many people hate it.

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Ok I think people are REALLY focusing in on this too hard without actually reading much of what the threads on that forum talk about. They are not talking about about AF/BB hardly at all. They are saying a few key points.

If you are not exclusive you are not exclusive do not treat it as such, until he says he wants exclusiveness do not bother treating it as such. 1A. A male will ask you about exclusiveness first, (why?) because men who are high value have confidence and dont believe in silly philosphies of TRP like she must ask me first or i lose all control of relationship.
A REAL HVM is not only vetting carefully, but with a girl he sees as his "Queen" he does not mind paying for things because it is one of the few ways he shows that he values her and does not have an unhealthy mindset towards all women.

NONE of these points work if you are dealing with the kinda chicks that "TRP" tactics work on btw. And I'm not getting into %s of women TRP work on just saying the ones it DOESN'T work on are the ones you should be looking to marry/LTR.

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Because women talk in circles and evade answering direct questions because they'd rather lie to spare their feelings than address the truth. Nothing you wrote disproves AF/BB.

Here's an excerpt from the stickied post:

FDS is amoral. If a woman wants to date multiple men, we see nothing wrong in it. In fact, we encourage it for those women that find themselves falling too hard too quickly for one guy. Or find themselves in clearly toxic relationships that they’ve been finding difficult to leave. Starting to see a new guy sometimes helps distract from the one you’re with and can lift the veil and provide fresh clarity on the fact that it’s time to leave him.

AF/BB, hamstering reasons it's OK to cheat, and branch swinging.

You are obviously trying to convince yourself otherwise and not me lol.

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Ok so lets talk about this post then. If a woman wants to date multiple men there is nothing wrong with it, this is true untill EXCLUSIVITY IS HAD, this is mentioned multiple times if you go beyond this simple post. If you are in a TOXIC relationship and struggling to leave, yes I even agree if it is TOXIC not "unhappy" but TOXIC then it is okay to began to see a new person.

Would you rather your daugther stay in a TOXIC relationship with a peice of shit boyfriend thinking he is the only man who can change for her, or meet a GOOD hvm at the same time in that relationship who opens her eyes?

This is not branch swinging from one male who is GOOD to another, this is leaving a TOXIC male behind. Read the post its not TRP logic.

Also your post reaks of redpill logic, because your automatically once again putting women all together, about being in a circle and lying to spare feelings. Do you know they have a fucking thing you get put on your reddit name for acting like a "quote on quote dumb bitch." They don't spare feelings, at all, if a girl isnt acting Queen like and being unhealthy or making bad choices you go on probation and the other women tell you to get your shit together.

Seriously just go read the actual posts for gods sake. The fact this thread exists tells me none of the people are reading their actual posts just assuming its women's redpill to allow women to manipulate men.

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believe in being "feminine".

Are you sure about that?? I just did a search over there for the word "feminine" and here's what I found:

top post is about a raid
second post is about how feminine hygiene products are a scam
next post: What I have to say to girls who are hyper feminine: just try it. "Just try not shaving, going barefaced, wearing comfy clothes, not doing your hair."
next: “femininity” has been a war on women.
Not performing femininity is the most libareting feeling in the world
Not to be dramatic but femininity is literally a trap.
Femininity is ritualized submission. Some men get angry when women don’t do the “feminine” thing because they’re not signaling submission.
I want nothing to do with femininity...

Sounds like they're not really into it. I also found a post: How do you like to dress on dates? and the top response is, "Dress for you, not for him"

Great strategy ladies. Let me know how that works out.

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I’ll address that then one sec

High value women do not cheat. If you are polyamorous, talk to your partner about opening the relationship. Cheating just lowers your worth.

I just found a thread on their view towards cheating. They do not view cheating as good.

Dating more the one person is ENCOURAGED if you are not and this is important. EXCLUSIVE. If the man doesn’t want to have a DTR and isn’t staying exclusively he wants you then it’s free ball.

Last paying for a woman isn’t bad. At all, the only REASON this is bad is because A healthy women don’t value it and misuse it and B just because you pay doesn’t mean there isn’t more to do in a relationship and it doesn’t entitle you to sex.

HOWEVER don’t go doing this with girls who are not interested like an idiot and getting friend zone abused like an orbiter.

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how is this a detriment? i would prefer to have someone i can grow and build a life with rather than just inserting myself into an already made one.

It sounds nice, and a lot of women say this, but only a small minority of women actually believe this, when demonstrated by their actions.

so the fact that women were more oppressed in the past means i can’t complain about the remaining oppression that hasn’t gone away yet? how does this make sense.

Literally everyone else in the world is more oppressed than you, western women. Yet you complain. It's like the child with the most toys complaining to children with less toys about how she still doesn't have enough. Life is not perfect, but since western women have it better than everyone else on earth, it's probably smart to STFU. But women are children, so if you give them the most toys, they will just cry and demand more from everyone else, right?

The sign of being spoiled is not being grateful, and I've never met a western women (outside my family) that was grateful for anything, despite having everything. You sound ungrateful as shit to me, also, if you were wondering. Everything is so bad for you, you're so oppressed, WAHH WAAHHH. Yet when people who are actually more oppressed than you (for example, western men) complain about something, you get upset they are taking attention away from you.

men shouldn’t complain about being divorced raped then, because in the past the courts were even more favorable towards women, and all the men who complain about it nowadays are spoiled brats.

Interesting, so you admit that you were not oppressed in the past either, as you got even more special privileges from the court. Regardless, men still get the short end of the stick in the west, compared to women.

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I made a throwaway account because I don't want these clearly very bitter/angry/predatory people to harrass me on my main account for speaking against them.

I just got done reading about this sub because the mods of it tend to promote it frequently to women who are having a hard time in the other dating subs. They claim to focus on Maximum Female Benefit and cultivating self love in order to pursue a gratifying dating life, and sharing that mindset with other women to improve their lives.

Within five minutes of browsing the About Section and Handbook, it is very clear that is not the case, in any kind of healthy/non-dysfunctional way. The second paragraph in their About section links to the DarkTriadWomen sub, and promotes it as a "Darker version of FDS" and names it as a sister subreddit. It appears that maybe this sub was kicked off reddit or volunatrily deleted, because that link takes you to a discord invitation and the actual subreddit is not found.

Dark Triad Traits: • Narcissism is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy.

• Machiavellianism is characterized by manipulation and exploitation of others, an absence of morality, unemotional callousness, and a higher level of self interest.

• Psychopathy is characterized by continuous antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callous and unemotional traits (CU), and remorselessness.

Does any of these sound like a good partner, male or female? No, and it shouldn't.

If you read through even 10% of the FDS handbook and information, it's clear that these traits are the backbone of their ideology. They openly discuss how to shame and verbally abuse a man if he does not want to pay for dinner, in their famous How To Never Pay On A Date post. It's not about self respect, it's about Power to these people.

Idealize, Devalue, Discard is the narcissistic cycle of dating for these types of women. It's a cycle of abuse that is meant to charm someone, use them for what they're worth and then tear them down in order to keep them in check, and finally ghost/abandon them when they're no longer useful or satisfying to the predator's ego. "Maximum Female Benefit" just means Maximum Self Benefit, there's really no difference.

If that wasn't the case, they wouldn't be using the FDS sub as an invitation ticket to like minded sociopath and narcissist females for their exclusive and "dark" group. They are actively harsh to their own members and other women, using terms like "sis" in both a sympathizing and sarcastic manner when speaking to women (and it's incredibly transparent and irritating). "Pickmeisha" is a term constantly used to shame and put down other women who don't agree with their viewpoints, and they even use it as a user flair for their own members if they deem the person unworthy enough.

It's like a heirarchy, and Pickmeisha is an Omega, follower, that has yet to "see the light" and hopefully push them to drink the koolaid faster.

They have mods that specifically go to other subreddits to argue with men and other women and bully/shame them or attempt to coax new members to join them, but if anyone wants to come in their sub and point out flaws, insult someone, or defend themselves, forget it, they'll delete all evidence you were ever there and ban you.

Anyone who legitimately thinks they're going to learn how to find a good man and keep a good marriage or relationship going by taking advice from people who glorify Dark Triad, narcissist and sociopathic traits, is fooling themselves. Their schtick sounds good for a while until you realize that they have almost no advice for how to keep a relationship going long term. At best, you might learn how to be a decent sugar baby, but Femme Fatales don't get married for love, they just suck their victims dry and discard and move on to the next. If that's your perogative, cool, but don't sugarcoat it as some kind of empowerment, it's purely socially dysfunctional and predatory.

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If you only spent 5 minutes looking up stats about how much tax men pay compared to women and how much women take from the system compared to men and then spent 5 minutes in humility realizing that you need men, you just don't see us because the gov takes our money and gives it to women. And women stand around saying "see! We don't need men"

It would be hilarious if it wasn't all morbidly true. All you've done here is demonstrate the delusion and solipsism that red pill men see everyday. Women, like children, and unfortunately far too many men (that were raised by women) have absolutely no gratitude.

Just like most people go to the grocery store and buy some chicken breast, they never see or think about all the people, systems and processes that it went through to get there. Ignorance is bliss eh?

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1) Estimates show that women don't even pay enough taxes to cover their own retirement (i.e. men cover the entirety of defense, infrastructure, education, and medicine, AND part of women's retirement).

2) Men donate more blood.

3) Men made childbirth 100 times safer for women, despite obstetric care being historically female-dominated. Main contributors of innovation to lower maternal mortality: Peter Chamberlen; James Young Simpson; Ignaz Philipp Semmelweis; Louis Pasteur; Joseph Lister; Lawson Tait; Ernst von Bergmann; James Blundell; Karl Landsteiner; Sahachiro Hata; Alfred Bertheim; Paul Ehrlich; James Leonard Corning; Robert Andrew Hingson; Waldo B. Edwards; Vincent du Vigneaud; Ferdinand Adolf Kehrer; Max Sänger; Hermann Johannes Pfannenstiel.

4) Recent breakthrough in portable dialysis machines may very soon, VERY soon, make donor kindeys obsolete. Thank these two men.

Men definitely have sacrificed more of their "life force" to make women's lives better than vice versa. There's no "if" or "maybe" here.

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state enforced patriarchy

This set of words says nothing. Feminists of late 18th century claimed that patriarchy will be destroyed when women get basic education, women got basic education, and feminists refused to admit and celebrate victory; of mid 19th - when women get "the right" to vote; late 19th - when women get "equal" property rights. When women finally make up their mind about what is patriarchy - I'll be there to listen. Before that, it's gibberish and an evershifting goalpost.

not because you’re actually that much smarter or better

Not "that much"; definitely less than difference in physical strength. Which means that there's also something except strength and intelligence that men outperform women in. Willpower, serendipity, perseverance, passion - something, that we couldn't even research because women's screech of EQUALITYYYYYYYYYYYY has deafened the field of psychology.

Remember that women were literally forced out of the workforce after WW2.

I don't remember that because I'm Eastern European; a lot of women entered the workforce after WW2 because too many men died.

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This set of words says nothing. Feminists of late 18th century claimed that patriarchy will be destroyed when women get basic education, women got basic education, and feminists refused to admit and celebrate victory; of mid 19th - when women get "the right" to vote; late 19th - when women get "equal" property rights. When women finally make up their mind about what is patriarchy - I'll be there to listen. Before that, it's gibberish and an evershifting goalpost.

What’s confusing about this to you? All of that is patriarchy. Men purposefully legally disenfranchise women to give yourselves an advantage you wouldn’t otherwise have. All of these are examples of where men tried to kick women’s legs out from under us because you need extra special help apparently and deal threatened by female competition. All that shows is the various ways men are clearly insecure.

I don't remember that because I'm Eastern European; a lot of women entered the workforce after WW2 because too many men died.

And somehow the world didn’t suddenly stop because there weren’t as many men. In the US, companies purposefully fired all women from their ranks as soon as the war was over. And these were women doing traditionally male jobs like machinery, aircraft construction, etc. Again, men have to cheat. You’re paying more taxes because you purposefully disenfranchised women at every step.

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All of that is patriarchy.

All of that is destroyed and turned other way around (for example, currently, in my nation, a married man has no right to buy real estate for himself; all real estate that he buys automatically becomes communal property with his wife); women still claim that patriarchy is alive and well. Women are more educated than men, have more voting power than men, use that power for their own interests more than men, and have more "rights" and access to wealth and property than men. Still patriarchy somehow, presumably because in one country, in one election, after 8 years of having an intersectional feminist in power, Orange Man defeated the World War Three Lady.

Men purposefully legally disenfranchise women to give yourselves an advantage you wouldn’t otherwise have.

What advantage? I went through mandatory compulsory military service on the basis of my sex, despite my shorter predicted lifespan. Compulsory military service in my nation was instituted 1 year after women got the right to vote. Women promised that giving them the right to vote "will end all wars". One hundred years ago.

The fact that men have created educational facilities and workplaces by themselves and for themselves, without taking anything away from women, is not "an advantage", and had nothing to do with the state. There was no law in Britain or the US that gave men those educational facilities and workplaces (the VAST majority of universities and virtually ALL of production facilities started out as private organizations), or prevented women from doing the same. Are you oppressing me right now by not allowing me to sleep in your house, use your shower, and consume the contents of your fridge? Is the state giving you an unfair advantage by saying that you have the right to do so?

All of these are examples

Unless "examples" form a full set, they do not constitute a definition.

you need extra special help apparently

The state has never enforced men's authority over women; it served to limit this authority. And when the state collapses, this authority gets restored. Case in point - Venezuela. As soon as there's not enough food, suddenly "men are pigs" gets replaced by "as you wish, head of the house" (Venezuela had quite enormous feminist movement for South American nation; their websites were not updated since 2014).

And somehow the world didn’t suddenly stop because there weren’t as many men.

It was quite close; the world didn't stop in China either when men outnumbered women by several dozen million.

In the US, companies purposefully fired all women from their ranks as soon as the war was over.

I was hoping for a source. Obviously, I can google it myself, but I think I entertained you enough. Also, was it "companies" or was "the patriarchy" "state enforced"?

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Well well well... There's the hate. How do I know you litterally hate men? You are so blind in your hate you blew right past the part where I said men pay more taxes then women and turned it into "Omg this guy is so stupid he thinks women don't pay taxes" which is not at all what I said, dummy.

And your big point is that women give, but only after they are fucking dead. Lol yeah, no shit. And I'm sure when it comes to transplants, it's mother giving to child because they are probably the best match for the kid. Strange women are not giving organs, while alive, to strangers.

So there is no point in me discussing anything more because you are only going to read what you want, not what is written. That is the ignorance I spoke of and there's no talking to someone do delusional and with so much rage. It's like screaming at a block of wood.

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lol at the patriarchy boogeyman. Division of labor was created by EVOLUTION. Men and woman literally have different bodies that have different strengths and weaknesses. Men were just a lot better at certain things and woman were a lot better at other things.

Ancient society and the ways they did things are the reason why those cultures and tribes flourished over others that did not optimize their culture to each sex's strengths and weaknesses.

So you can thank "teh patriachy" for the fact that you are alive today and your ancestors were not crushed by someone else's ancestors.

Also culture develops organically and everyone participates in its evolution. Men and women alike. The way ancient cultures developed was a result of their environment and circumstances not "teh evil mens opressin the poor widdle wimmins"

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I’m here from FDS. I find it excellent in informing me as a woman as to how men think about and value women. Having had several long term relationships crash and burn, the last one being particularly firey, I find the FDS strategy would have saved me a lot of pain and heartbreak.

Would it have possibly screened out all men to me? Yes. That too. I also place this idea in the larger context of helping my fellow woman feel valued. The fact of the matter is. We risk Netflix and Kill. We can’t afford to Netflix and Chill.

Even assuming the man you are meeting is a perfect gentleman. Everything goes great. You fall in love. A woman’s risk is still possible death from childbirth. So either way. Men have to stop feeling like they can throw a letter H at us in tinder and get a bite. Women need to up their standards. A lot. There is way way way too many ‘my boyfriend doesn’t shower anymore, am I being high maintenance if I say something’ posts on r/relationships.

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We risk Netflix and Kill.

But do you have a strategy to mitigate that risk? Is it female dating strategy or merely female dating fear?

And if someone suggests a strategy, will you evaluate it rationally? What I mean by that is, if we go look at the numbers and find some pattern which reduces the (already minuscule) chance that you'll be randomly murdered, will you be glad for that? For example, if it turns out that (just to make something up) men who have good relationships with their own family are less likely to be violent, and if based on that statistic I suggest you insist on meeting a dude's family early in the relationship, how will you respond?

Will you respond with something like, "you can still be murdered by a man whose family you've met!!!" - which is true, but irrelevant to the question of risk-reduction-strategy

Men have to stop feeling like they can throw a letter H at us in tinder and get a bite.

Note the difference between this and TRP. In TRP we say, "here's what we will change about ourselves so that we're more attractive." In FDS you say, "here's what men need to do (or stop doing)."

You have an external locus of control. Your success is dependent on other people. That's not a strategy, that's a fairy tale.

The men who "throw a letter at you" are undoubtedly throwing letters at 1000 women because they've learned the ROI is greater than when they take the time to send more detailed messages. The real problem are the other women who reward that behavior. Go talk to them.

This complaint is as dumb as if some guy on TRP was like, "ooh! I get so mad that women just expect me to buy them drinks in bars!!" - yeah, they expect that because so many men are chumps, and buy them drinks. Whining about it wont change it. The only thing you can change is yourself - and so, on TRP, we have a strategy like the following, "you buy the first round and I'll get the next one." See that? We change ourselves rather than whine about things we can't change.

As to men contacting you on twitter, there's nothing stopping you from ignoring them and responding only to guys who make more of an effort. You do have that choice. Be thankful you have that choice. Be thankful you have such an abundance of options. Don't whine that many of them suck. You sound like an American whining that most restaurants are cheap fast food - just be glad you're not starving, and that you can choose to eat healthy if you want.

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It’s so disturbing how guys on here respond to women’s completely prudent and rational strategy of not trusting strange men (any other response is insane) and try to get the women to drop their guard by playing the “rationality” card. It’s honestly scary that guys are so thirsty they will try to insist a woman online they’ll never meet should become more naive and put herself at risk. Horrible.

FDS doesn’t tell men what to not do, they don’t seem to even want men there. I did see one post where women admitted to choosing bad guys in the past before they knew better. At least they took responsibility for the choice, not something I see on Mgtow or trp. Who also claim women never admit their bad choices, which they clearly do.

When guys say “ok yes be cautious of men but not IRRATIONALLY cautious, don’t be EXTREME about it” what they mean is “yes be wary of other guys, don’t sleep with other guys, but if I want you to come over, be reasonable and don’t be hysterical and irrational by saying no or making me wait.”

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It’s so disturbing how guys on here respond to women’s completely prudent and rational strategy of not trusting strange men (any other response is insane) and try to get the women to drop their guard by playing the “rationality” card.

Probably because men on reddit at least are getting tired of seeing women constantly make generalized statements about men such as men are rapists and what have you. Do you think men are going to sit by and shut up and take it? That said most men realize and know women aren't going to trust men least off the bat simply for being a stranger. The same goes for us men.

FDS doesn’t tell men what to not do

It doesn't. It tells women what they should demand from men and think they should be entitled to. I bet you that if a woman there posted saying something to the effect of "men must eat out a woman's pussy" most of that sub will agree with that.

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I said nothing about insulting.

Your rhetoric was all about “tone it down, be more reasonable and less extreme, strategy not feelings” implying that her level of caution is too high. I’m paraphrasing which if everyone here wasn’t a STEM nerd they would grasp.

Your reply is just like the replies of many guys on here, which are insidious in that they pretend to help a woman feel safer and better but are actually putting her at risk if she listens, all for the hypothetical chance for the guy to get laid easier.

I’ll buy the “helpful” motive when the same men start telling their sisters and daughters “chill out, that random guy is probably ok, stop being so careful, just go to his house, he wants it. Don’t be TOO prudent because that sounds like a bummer!” When you guys advise your young daughters about this I will believe you are in good faith, though still terribly wrong.

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Your rhetoric was all about “tone it down, be more reasonable and less extreme, strategy not feelings” implying that her level of caution is too high.

Again, you don't quote me because you're being dishonest. My "rhetoric" was not about toning anything down. I did not use the words "reasonable" or "extreme" and I don't know what you mean by "strategy not feelings" - I did ask if they had a strategy or if they were content to only ever talk about feelings (implying that in that case they would not be trying to help anyone), but I stand by that question because you've given me no reason to rethink it.

Why is it seemingly so difficult for you to point to something specific I said and then explain why you have a problem with it?

Here, I'll do it myself. I asked: "do you have a strategy to mitigate that risk? Is it female dating strategy or merely female dating fear?"

This is a valid question when someone brings up a specific fear in the context of a dating strategy subreddit. Okay, you feel fear. Do you have a strategy for mitigating it?

Are you able to articulate anything even a little bit wrong with that question?

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there is no reason to mitigate caution around strange men.

This is fascinating to me.

I ask: "do you have a strategy to mitigate that risk?"

You reply: "there is no reason to mitigate caution"

Do you not see the difference between "mitigate risk" and "mitigate caution?"

What is the risk of dying in a traffic accident? A quick googling says it's 1 in 77. What does it mean to "mitigate the risk of dying in a traffic accident" - it means reducing that from 1 in 77 to, for example, 1 in 100. You might mitigate the risk of dying by wearing a seatbelt or by driving defensively.

What does it mean to "mitigate caution" - mitigate means "reduce" so "mitigate caution" means being less cautious. If I'm driving a car and I'm ordinarily cautious but I decide to "mitigate caution" that means I take off my seatbelt - I stop driving defensively - this increases the risk of dying.

They are literally the opposite ideas. I'm talking about putting on a seatbelt and you imagine I'm talking about taking one off.

How? How is it possible that you see my words and yet interpret them to be the literal opposite of what I say?? How??

Me: put on a seatbelt?

You: you're telling me to take off my seatbelt!!

How does this happen??

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How am I supposed to explain

I didn't ask you to explain. I asked you to answer "yes" or "no" and perhaps state what the strategy is.

But to answer your question (how am I supposed to explain) directly, the answer is "use words, form sentences, articulate ideas"

do you have a strategy to mitigate that risk?

Your refusal to answer suggests that the answer is "no" and that you're embarrassed by this revelation.

Is it female dating strategy or merely female dating fear?

...and if there's no strategy, then it's just a subreddit for languishing in fear. It's not a positive, helpful space for women.

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They don't trigger men. They trigger losers.

Men who fuck both laugh at and laugh with women like that, because it's transparent.

My girlfriend is a master's degreed liberal who considers herself fairly pro-feminist, I'm 8 years older than she is, she pays a lot of the time when we go out - not by arrangement, she insists - and she fucks me like I'm the last man on earth. And I'm secretly a Red Pill misogynist. I literally read misogyny on my cellphone in bed next to her after fucking. And everything The Red Pill, PUA forums, and so on tells you works on women absolutely positively works on women.

If you're an incel who can't get laid, reading shit like FDS on the internet makes you really angry. Which is silly because that shit doesn't affect you. It's not like you were fucking anyway, so women acting even more difficult doesn't matter in your world. You weren't fucking before, so if every single woman starts acting like a FDS woman, you still won't be fucking. I don't understand why this pisses incels off at all.

If you actually fuck and know how the game works, you know that women break all the rules when you look alright, make bank, have social skills, and play the game well. Instead of being one of the guys who's wining and dining a girl for 6 weeks while she holds on out on sex to secure a relationship, you can be the guy she fucks for those six weeks so she doesn't have to go without sex while boyfriend-hunting.

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You know, I thought about this, and you're actually kind of right.

As a Red Pill man, I worked hard to become fuckable. I had shitty girlfriends sporadically throughout my life. Always bitchy to me. Low-sex relationships. When I finally got out of a really long, really bad one, I said no more. So I did the work. So much gym time, so many bad dates and embarrassing social situations, completely redoing my look and figuring out the social game. To my credit, I was never one of those weird incels who shit my pants over how unfair it is that some men and most women didn't have to work. I just did the work. But I did it. I worked hard. And now I fuck.

It's kind of like when crazily radical feminists insist that the only reason I even have a job and money today is because I'm a white male and the white male club hands out jobs and money to other white males, and without all that undeserved privilege, I'd be a failure. I worked hard to get a lot of degrees, and clawed my way up through a dozen shitty jobs at a dozen shitty places to get where I am today.

I've worked really hard in life, on a lot of fronts. Some of the time just to get what other people get by existing. It makes me a little irritated by radicals on either side - feminists who insist I'm lying, and incels who insist it's not possible to succeed.

Before I gave this relationship thing a shot again, I was literally the guy women fucked while they're dating their future boyfriend and didn't want to go without sex while making him wait, and I worked hard to get there. And because I worked so hard to get there, I'm appreciative of where I am instead of a jerk about it. Women love the shit out of me because I fuck like a fuckboy without acting like one.

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A "pickme" used to have a more concrete meaning.

Typically, a pick-me girl was a girl who was over-eager to claim and demonstrate how "not like the other girls" she is. She'll pretend she loves your video games, pretend she's cool and casual and doesn't mind keeping things non-exclusive, pretend she's low maintenance and cool just getting beers and fucking instead of normal dates - pretty much, a low self-esteem girl who will sell her soul and pretend whatever she needs to pretend to get more male attention.

FDS has taken this definition and expanded it to pretty much cover any girl who behaves decently on a date, isn't a bitch, has sex with a guy she likes, and generally behaves in any manner that is pleasant for a man she's with. In FDS land, if a man is enjoying you and isn't constantly irritated by you, you're clearly a pickme.

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I don't read it but I do enjoy looking through our lovely ladies post history when I engage with one of these sweet lassies. And this FDS place comes up a lot. So when I see it I look around. The comment sections are pretty good. The mods are usually down voted or never upvoted so their bizarre man hate isn't driving the sub.

I read through their general rules for women and I agree with all of the advice, though I completely disagree that it's men driving women into somehow being the women we have. Women's nature is a fallen nature and they are picking, deliberately or subconsciously, the men they end up with.

Overall I like it. I won't post there because they don't want men to post. That's fair. And really women even realizing that they should have a strategy, that their are a very limited number of physically and sexually attractive men who are also capable of being a husband and father, why this can only result in a betterment of our women. Anything, any strategy at all, any realization that life isn't just going to magically work out, is better than just being a thing that reacts to what men do to it.

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Yeah as much as I like dunking on FDS posters I don't disagree with the general advice in terms of utility.. I will however agree with you and that women are picking guys using bad criteria and then not realizing why it's not working. A lot of the ones who act on the advice probably could land a decent guy. But those ones are also screening for the wrong qualities so even if one of their options is what would work best for them that guy gets passed over very often.

I have a couple of dudes who are decent guys with no addictions, good jobs, lots of friends, and lots of hobbies ...buuut they're 5'2. Women may as well be from pluto for all the experience they have half the time. Once of them is an actor who was on tv and is handsome and fashionable but I don't think he's out there killing it because being a 5'2 guy is fucking brutal.

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Girl if we had patriarchy your dad would have presented you with a few men to date with chaperones, to pick the one you wanted to marry. You'd have three kids running around laughing pointing at the soap saying almost the only word they could even say, "bubbles" "bubbas bubles", you'd delight at the laugh of your own children.

Wake up, get up, dream up

You would have only the choice your father granted you. Could you imagine that responsibility placed on your father? Don't worry he didn't. There are so many sluts instead

What you think of as the patriarchy? I have some bad news for you. There is no escape. You will seek us out, and we will put you in your place, your rightful place. If you are lucky enough to be blessed with a patriarch.

Or father of lies gets to keep you, keep you keep in your head, and you lose, and there are no kids, no future, the past is already gone, and you just sorta exist. Go to your job tomorrow, without any little kids running around laughing pointing at a bottle of soap, screaming, "bubbals!!!"

Maybe some cats

Run girl, keep running, keep running right at us. And pray he's strong enough

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To be fair, that would qualify as a fear tactic, and thus prove her point.

Also, there are plenty of women that work in infrastructure jobs, especially in the Navy.

Anybody can drive a truck, fly a helicopter, operate a crane, repair the mechatronics systems of automated factories, etc.

Just go to subs like r/CrossfitGirls Most men in *pill communities aren't in as great a shape as they pretend to be.

Average woman could deadlift 300lb if they wanted to get that strong. How much overhead strength do most jobs require, even if they are more physical? My Petzl catalogs show plenty of women doing powerline repair, logging, etc, because they know sex sells and women actually do those jobs.

What we really offer women is the experience of having sex with a male and until cloning, reproduction. This is why lookism is a thing.

With economic equality, what women really want from us is to be hot enough to fuck and be a decent enough human they don't regret their attraction to us.

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Don't get me wrong, men walking off the plantation like Herbivore Men in Japan have done is a big threat, but the only way you can call them terrorists is if they owe us their participation. Sorry but men don't owe anyone shit, and a society that treats them as disposable objects deserves to have done to them what is happening to Japan (and spreading to Hong Kong) right now.

Discussion doesn't work too well with threats but it is necessary when large numbers of people are just walking away from the system. And if Japan has tuberculosis then we have the sniffles - America has a large and most importantly growing male NEET population. They're going to be a huge drag on taxpayers - an increasing number of which are women. This by itself is a slow burn and will do more damage than an equal number of Elliot Rodgers. But what can you do? Treat them as terrorists and FORCE them to participate? Then the State becomes the terrorist...

So yeah, it's time to negotiate. Unless you're willing to wait until the sniffles become tuberculosis...

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Women have been able to vote for a little under than a hundred years. weirdly enough civilization is way better than it was back then? women have been voted to 2/3 governmental branches, but civilization is still standing? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

We have several millennia of civilizations all around the world agreeing on the fact that men should be cautious of women. You really think it was some duh moment when someone asked, "What if women did what men did?"

oh yeah we should base our current beliefs on an ideal society based off of crazy starved religious fucks back in 200 A.D.

Men evolved to manipulate their environment. Women evolved to manipulate men. We are animals, first and foremost, and our natural limitations will come to bear soon enough.

alright now i’ve realized your just plain crazy.

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Women have been able to vote for a little under than a hundred years. weirdly enough civilization is way better than it was back then? women have been voted to 2/3 governmental branches, but civilization is still standing?

lol, the vast majority of women vote the same as their husbands. Modern civilization was an inevitability after the invention of electricity.

We do have them to thank for outrage culture, a soon-to-be crippled social state, and the generation that has had the least sex in all of human history, though.

oh yeah we should base our current beliefs on an ideal society based off of crazy starved religious fucks back in 200 A.D.

Yes, most of our beliefs and morals are based off of the past. Aristotle, Thomas Jefferson, Confucius, etc.

alright now i’ve realized your just plain crazy.

Cognitive dissonance.

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We’re late to the party because a lot of women are still holding to hope,

ROTFLMAO oh my God I can't believe people are still swallowing this nonsense.

FDS is nothing more than another boring Tuesday. It's what women have been doing for eons ever since we came down from trees (or Grace, depending on your beliefs). FDS was born out of the inherent female frustration that, unlike spiders and mantids, they can't just eat their mates.

Both FDS and TRP are untermenschen, jokes for those of us higher forms of life that judge women by quality - their moral character and compatibility of interests - rather than drool over hot babes or obsess over quantity/spinning plates/etc.

Watching TRP and FDS is like visiting Nigerian prince scammers in their computer cafes running their game on gullible fools.

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There was a good one where a young girl, 21, had met a good man and gone on three dates with him. Three good dates. They kissed at the end of date three.

This was not a bang and gone or a fuck and chuck scenario that a red pilled guy would do. Three dates and the first kids is the end of date three? And long involved dates? She wanted more than just to be a FWB for this guy and she was worried, and rightfully. The advice was good. The mods voted to the bottom with their "make him give you money!!!" tips and tricks. We already know what she wants from tall attractive lawyer man.

Not sure why girls still can't just think it in their own heads but they can't.

She was told to try to trick him, to demand money, demand he pay your bills before you bang him again, says the clueless mods who get too hung up on what they gave away to understand what the girl asking for advice is actually asking for advice about.

On that post she came back and made a second post. She was trying to.... Wait before I say it let's get the hisses and the boo's out. Hiss. Boo. She was trying to please this man. She wanted to please him.

And why not this would not be a bad man to try to please. Girls just get messed up because their natural state is to please a man, but they all end up with the first guy who gives them attention. And rare is it a good man, as there are men who spend their entire lives just chasing tail. They end up trying to please that guy. An undoubtedly dumb loser as well.

It was pretty good. I didn't keep track of that girl but you know what? Good for her for thinking about what she wanted in the future, and not just reacting.

Really this FDS sub seems pretty great to me. You got a lot of girls who know deep down what they really want but have no words for it and are shamed if they try to say it. So they use different words. Then the old post wall broken mods, sorry to you girls the boomers were subjected to the most intense brainwashing any generation had ever seen being raised by the TV, sorry for your dads, come in screeching "make him pay your rent and your car payment REEEEEE".

Really reading through their stuff made me think better of women. To see these girls actually start to think ahead? blows kisses

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FDS is red pilled approve.

Really, it's seriously the opposite side of the coin of TRP.

FDS has women complaining about how their inbox daily blows up with "hello"s from random dudes. TRP tells you that all women, even a 5/10, will get daily attention from dozens of men and that the only way you can shine above them all is to be a Chad.

FDS had a thread a week ago full of girls complaining about men that ask them how their day is. The consensus was along the lines of, "i hate being asked how my day is, these men should tell me about their day instead."

And my red-pilled brain says, of course! Be the one leading the conversation with women! Talk about yourself because you are the prize! Women lead boring lives and the quickest way to bore a girl out of the room is asking her questions about herself.

Tl:dr; If you like TRP but can't stomach FDS, you were never red pilled to begin with.

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It, in my mind, FDS really highlighted how ridiculous TRP is presented. Which is a shame because I think there's a lot of useful info in there for men that need help.

FDS seems then to be about don't get used, don't stick around hoping things will change and have appropriate boundaries. But the distinguishing factor is that FDS doesn't seek to understand men. And I think that's why they've failed in the past and why they will continue to fail long term.

Both seem to be temporary places to flex your muscles, which is good for short term gains but horrendous for long term success. Like how your parents basement is good to save up money, but should never be a place you live as you become an adult.

Either way, those that need it should be there long enough to learn the base nature of the opposite sex, where they personally fucked up their relationships and how to improve in the future. Then run screaming, as if their hair was on fire, away from those sites because no further information will be helpful. Which, if I'm not mistaken, is why Rollo's best work is behind him and TRP has essentially moved out of his basement.

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Okay, but the comments are attached to the posts. So my question is, how far down would you have to scroll to find a post containing a comment that demonstrates your claim?

The previous comment said:

FDS is about: leeching off men, playing the victim, complaining, self-entitlement, never taking responsibility

If I go to FDS right now and sort by hot, the 7th non-stickied post is titled "Keep your head high, your shoulders back, and your purse tiny lol" - the "purse tiny" bit is a reference to making a man pay for shit. So I found an example of "leeching off men" in the 7th post.

The 2nd post is titled, "ladies, thanks for your feedback on my last post. I wanted to share something I had seen/saved last week." and the 2nd comment is "The worst part about being gaslit (for me at least) was the rest of society seemed to chalk it up to miscommunication and put the blame for it on me. " (emphasis mine) - I would argue this constitutes playing the victim. So I found an example in the 2nd comment on the 2nd post.

I could go on. My question for you is, how far would you have to scroll in TRP to find an example of one of those things?

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As a woman that occasionally browses that sub it’s just disgusting to look through sometimes. Sure you get the occasional basic advice of ‘don’t be an idiot and date a jerk’ or ‘end a toxic relationship’ which is all good and fair. But that comes with absolute arrogance, hypocrisy, entitlement, shaming, misandry, selfishness and double standards that’s prevalent throughout the entire sub. And you know what? I wouldn’t even have this much of a problem if they allowed for free speech on there and people to express their diverse views and criticise some of their backwards logic. No, I have to come here in order get across how idiotic they portray themselves and spread generalised misinformation. Sh*t, even the damn Incel and MGTOW subs don’t have that type of gatekeeping, for as much as your opinion isn’t welcomed there, you can at least make it. You have to go through an entire initiation process to even comment on that sub and even then your criticism will just get deleted and your account will be banned from the sub anyway. I’m completely open to civil debates and interesting discussions on difference of opinions but they just want to remain in their safe space where their extreme views are validated and encouraged. Rant over

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What the heck? I was just telling you a fact that women of all appearances can experience heartbreak and bitterness, I wasn’t asking for a hamstering lecture about why it’s all their fault. It’s kind of funny your first response is to place fault....It’s the internet and female locker room talk who cares. I am sorry it’s so distressing to find out women talk big about men just like men do about women.

What I mean about women who get used as arm candy is a lot of guys wouldn’t ask them out because of intimidation, one guy would finally have the balls to ask her, so she’d say yes since no one else would, then he just temporarily wanted an arm candy girl and didn’t want her to actually be a person. I have a few specifically really pretty girls in mind that I am thinking of when this happened.

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That is what I argued...anyone can get hung up on lost love and betrayal, anyone at all. One of the saddest things that has happened with discussing relationships with the mentality of engineers who must sort everything is this loss of realizing there are no cartoon video game movie categories of humans who do and do not experience human things. Your view is immature and simplistic. Again I don’t know who “y’all” is and I don’t preach anything, I think it’s wrong to act like someone is less allowed to be human because of their looks.

You don’t get what they are doing there, most of them have clearly had trouble with boundaries with men in the past and all that talk is just psyching themselves up. Women don’t share this with men int he public arena, but when a woman falls hard for a man she will delude herself and convince herself all these things are fine that are not, and they just seem to be fighting that.

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What?

Where did I say women can do no wrong?

Again I am sorry about your cartoon understanding of life. For example, there are many happily married women on this very forum, who are introverted, and they also enjoy the academic area of studying humans and gender. It is not a stretch to imagine that a similar introverted woman with a successful marriage would want to give out advice, or even a woman who went about dating all wrong and has since learned.

This idea that the only people who are attractive and happily married must all be extroverts who are constantly filling their social calendar and who don’t even “have online” needs to go. I even know women who DO fit that, who are extroverts with full dance cards of social events...who still have great bfs and enjoy coming on the internet to talk about love. It is interesting.

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Dude men are cheap as fuck. If you met a high value healthy woman would you take her ass to McDonald’s or coffee? Or would you pick something a little better like maybe Japanese? The ONLY reason a man wouldn’t do this is because A he is dealing with so many girls why invest in this one any if he just wants to bang, B he has shit finances at which case that’s a red flag, C he has suffered many many rejections which kinda is a red flag because it means there is some common denominator there aka (him) , or he’s afraid a female will see this as weak. ( aka he pursues unhealthy women who view gestures as this weak)

All of these are reasons why a man wouldn’t put some fucking effort into paying for her and honestly, these are great red flags for her the healthy woman to avoid. A HVM is not worried about the above at all.

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Detrimentally selfless is a character flaw, rooted in childhood, where the child was shamed, punished or neglected for expressing needs. Either because the parent was selfish, lazy, narcissistic, absent, emotionally immature, depressed, addicted etc.

The child has extreme anxiety around saying No to requests, has no boundaries (or doesn't even know they're allowed to have boundaries), and feels as if they must serve, perform and please in order to receive love.

It's a coping mechanism that works as a child, but it detrimental as an adult, and doesn't work. An adult will get pulled in all directions, giving all they have, and never receiving the love and gratitude they crave. A person who rushes off because Mummy calls, then back home because the spouse frowns, then off to the neighbour because they want to borrow your brand new lawn mower, then off to his friend's because they need help moving, lending this week's rent money to their brother, on and on.

Multiple dead bedrooms have a similar feel - the husband is acting like a mindless butler, and it's really not sexy. Slaves aren't sexy. Someone with a spine and boundaries is sexy. No More Mister Nice Guy works for these types of people. A lot of FDS women need to work on this childhood trauma as well :( If you have no spine, you get taken advantage of.

The book "Human Magnet Syndrome" uses the words codependence or "self love deficit", but its basically doormat, people pleaser and wimp.

Someone with codependent tendencies who is almost always focused on the LRC (love, respect, care) needs of others, while only intermittently seeking to have their own LRC needs fulfilled. They are able, albeit unmotivated, fearful, and/or inexperienced in seeking LRC from a romantic partner. They often choose not to ask others to fulfill their LRC needs, as they don’t want to upset others or cause conflict. If asking for some semblance of LRC from their partner, they do so nervously and with distinct feelings of guilt or neediness.

I'm not sure it's ever been stated to "never" text a man? I assumed it was regarding initiating texts, and women reply.

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why even verbalize it if people have the option to not take you seriously? It just makes you sound stupid to that person. If you have no leverage over someone you can't assert boundaries except by simply cutting them out of your life.

Thanks, you just described every day life for a woman. I'm glad you understand.

Nice edit.

I don't consider that boundaries. That's just avoiding uncomfortable situations. When someone talks about asserting boundaries, to me that sounds like putting somebody in their place in a way that they are guaranteed to take seriously.

You can't redefine "boundaries" mate. "Putting somebody in their place" sounds very aggressive and punitive.

Asserting boundaries is about requesting that someone behave in a reasonable manner in order to interact with you. If they are unwilling or incapable, cut them off. When you actually cut them off they will either take you seriously, or choose to go on their merry way. You can't (well, you can try?) yell at someone until they act how you want.

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I described a man to NOT aim for. Why would we want a mindless butler we can't respect and don't want to fuck? ew.

But it's exactly what it seems you want. A man that blows dust off you.

The reason for half these suggestions is because we've gone too far in the other direction and been burned.

This is how I see it similar to TRP. "They were brainwashed into believing women are wonderful, therefore we balance it with convincing them that women are subhumans."

If a man dislikes initiating texts

I have never said he does. But if I will choose among two women out of whom one never messages me first and another one who sometimes does (assuming all else equal), I will go for the latter. And most men will.

I'm not sure how you're concluding "unwanted" when we reply.

Because it looks like a man is begging and you are giving.

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There are not enough hamsters in the world to make the FDS described “good man” a RP man. That’s actual insanity.

A high value man, a decent man, is of good character. These are internal traits stemming from a healthy childhood, which are easily displayed in his every day behaviour.

Does RP not preach amorality and dark triad behaviors?

He is responsible and stable in life. He currently has, and can, keep his life together, including finances, career, housing, vehicles and planning for the future, such as retirement, insurance, medical directives and his will. He has ambition and is progressing towards his goals. He is successfully living independently, and isn't still tied to Mommy's apron strings.

Not RP. RP would call all these behaviors beta- not what gets you laid. Not what RPers want to be.

He is supportive of your goals even when they don't directly benefit him. He doesn't play down your accomplishments, or demand that you drop or abandon them in favor of his own.

Are you fucking kidding me??? NOT RP.

He acts with integrity, honesty, directness and forthrightness. He is trustworthy. You can rely on his word. If he says he will do something, it's as good as done. His behaviour is consistent and you always know where you stand. He respects every boundary you have.

So far from RP I can’t even believe I am typing this.

He consistently makes good decisions and performs sensible actions. He is thoughtful and fair. He isn't impulsive, hot-headed, short-sighted or half-assed. He is forward thinking and understands the consequences his actions will have, not only on himself, but to other people, his friends and family. He is humble enough to know when he doesn't have all the information he needs to make a decision and has no trouble soliciting advice from reputable sources.

All go this flies directly in the face of the RP desire to be exciting and not reliable. Humble? Not RP.

He similarly trusts you to make good decisions. He trusts you with his vulnerabilities and personal or private matters. He doesn't doubt, judge, critique, micromanage or nitpick. He doesn't loom over you and make you feel incompetent or inadequate, or as if he knows best.

Just LOL.

He is emotionally mature. He doesn't break down and have tantrums at the slightest sign of failure, disapproval or disagreement. He freely admits when he's wrong, acknowledges the hurt he's caused, and shows remorse. He has appropriate levels of guilt, shame and a conscience. He's not insecure, ashamed, easily guilt-tripped by others, or without conscience. He doesn't cover up his mistakes, lie, deny, deceive or become overly defensive.

Admits when he’s wrong? But muh frame.

He has reasonable levels of self-love. He doesn't desperately require validation from external sources. He has an accurate perception of his worth and attractiveness from many sources; internally, the mirror, friends and family, co-workers, bosses, and you. He doesn't rely on you as the soul source to prop him up. Not emotionally or sexually. He is socially and interpersonally well developed. He is polite, well mannered and gracious. He has a well-developed sense of empathy and self-awareness. He has high EQ. He can read your body language, facial and microexpressions accurately. He can hear your tone and pick up your cues. He knows what you're feeling based on non-verbal communication. He's not stunted, awkward or cringe-inducing in public.

I am sure RPers wish this described them but since their entire life goal is pussy- the validation is definitely coming from outside the house.

He is dependable and a protector. You feel safe with him and can count on him to be there for you when you need him. He would never violate your boundaries for his own pleasure, or ignore your consent. He has no problem when you need privacy and alone time. He will protect you from others, he won't allow others to disrespect you, he won't throw you under the bus or leave you to 'fight your own battles' if you need/want his help. He puts you first and doesn't shy away from shutting down interfering people, such as his Mother.

Find me a RP man who wants women to see him as dependable. I’ll wait.

He operates as if you are a team. His mindset is that it's “us vs the problem” not “me vs you”. He makes room for you in his home, his life, his family and his social circle. He has your back. He takes your hand. He goes out of his way to present a united front. He is co-operative, not adversarial. Collaborative, not argumentative.

Snerk. The whole basis of RP is that men and women are opposing forces.

He is in 'attunement' and already understands the female-specific struggles of life, such as walking to your car in the dark and the prevalence of online sexual harassment. He doesn't mock or dismiss your concerns. He doesn't flip it back and announce that he'd love to be cat-called.

Again- did anyone read this fucking post???? NOT RP.

He is brave but not reckless, confident but not arrogant. He is optimistic without being unrealistic. He is emotionally stable, can self-soothe and regulate himself in the face of disappointment, setbacks, frustrations and annoyances. He displays perseverance. He has self-confidence, self-worth and self-esteem. He is pleasant and a joy to be around, not moody, mopey, woe-is-me and a drag.

Again- find me a RP man who wants women to think of his as “stable.” This is a beta being described not a high excitement alpha as is the RP ideal.

He can laugh and be playful, he's not overly stressed, and doesn't take everything so seriously in life. While not turning everything into a joke.

Maybe this could be considered something RPers strive for...

He is skilled, talented, knowledgeable and passionate. He is curious and continuously learning more.

Must have missed this on the side bar...

He needs to be able to communicate well and often, while being cool headed. Yelling, dominating and intimidating is unacceptable. He is kind, considerate and compassionate. He is capable of active listening, comprehending and reflecting when you speak. He doesn't use the silent treatment, word games, manipulations or power plays. He is calm, rational and logical, capable of having sensible discussions, proving how he is right, or admitting when he is wrong. He listens when you bring up topics and concerns that are important to you. He doesn't dismiss, belittle, invalidate or mock you when he 'cant be bothered', or because 'it's not important to him'.

The last sentence is a direct rejection of amused mastery.

He respects you, just as he respects all human beings. He acknowledges your right to have opinions, preferences, thoughts, values, dreams and goals that may differ to his. He respects your time. He treats you warmly, kindly, affectionately and with love. He does not see you as an object, servant, subordinate or lesser being. He pays attention to your preferences such as your favourite colours, sense of style, most often worn clothing and outfits, your tastes regarding the wide variety of subjects (music, food, movies, books, hobbies, sports, recreational activities) – the things that make you you. He is a thoughtful and personalized gift giver.

NOT. RP.

He needs to be a family man and all that entails. He wants to BE a husband, BE a father, not just HAVE a wife and kids. He wants a future with you, and that means being committed, living together, building your lives together, and supporting each other. He needs to understand that life will change after the birth of your children, and he has no intention to continue living as a bachelor while you become overburdened super-mommy.

Enjoy the decline?? We hardly knew ye.

He needs to be committed, faithful and loyal. Not just to you but to the relationship. He makes time for “us”, he puts effort into being a couple. Relationships take dedication and work; it's a fantasy that you can survive on passion forever. He understands both his and your love languages or emotional needs, and doesn't behave as if they are transactional. He's not 'leaky' with his sexual attention. He doesn't follow other women on social media or consume porn. He saves his lust and willingness to seduce for you, and you alone. He's happy and eager to flirt, romance and make time for non-sexual affection. He cares about your pleasure in bed. He doesn't have "solace" or "sealed off" sex. He's not displaying that he's a self-absorbed sex god, using you as a blow-doll, or needily affirming that you still love him and he's a good lover. He doesn't force you to have an orgasm to make himself feel better if you don't want one. He doesn't ignore you or "catch you next time" when you do want one. Love-making is synchronous; he's present, attentive and generous.

Tell me how this is remotely RP.

He is appreciative, grateful and giving. He is discerning regarding who he gives his time, effort, energy, expertise, labor and money to. He is not detrimentally selfless. He is also not greedily selfish. He has a healthy self-interest, and can say No when he has no desire to give resources. He is also capable of receiving. He doesn't let himself be used, and he doesn't use you.

Much plate spinning in this paragraph.

He has good priorities in life. He makes you one, but not the only one. There are a lot of important things to balance, and choosing priorities in the right order without neglecting or obsessing is a valuable skill.

Do you think fucking 20 year olds at 40 (the RP priority) is what these girls have in mind????

He has decent values. He is of good moral character. He is socially responsible. He goes out and shows he is community spirited, civic-minded and law-abiding. He obeys rules and authority.

This is beta. Not RP.

I am not a fan of FDS but even they have the sense to not want RPers.

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Psst, lurkers, here is the secret strategy:

I take immense pleasure in blocking anyone who sends me low-effort texts like "what's up", "wyd", "hey", and instead put energy into men who actually have brains and treat me like a human being. FDS women enjoy choosing to spend time with men who cherish, respect, and adore us, instead of bitter, low-effort guys who feel entitled to our time/attention/bodies/resources. This acknowledges the gendered dynamics of the world. This way, we end up with those we are most compatible with. That's the whole strategy.

Now, what is so toxic and amoral about that? Having self-worth, having standards, being attracted to healthy, confident men who are straightforward, respectful, and relationship-minded, is apparently toxic. Not falling for the endless low-effort lies and non-dates that men hope will result in casual sex is apparently toxic.

We implore men to level up. No one is stopping them.

Please, go ahead and be successful to the point where you don't flinch while ordering extra guac. Go ahead and say something besides "wyd". We would love to see that.

FDS drives women and consequently men to raise their standards and improve their lives. Naysayers want to drive standards down to a point so low that women are expected to put out by date 3 after barely getting to know a man, who has not even shown he cares one bit about her since he took her on 3 lackluster $2 dates...Naysayers want women to accept being led on for sex and not being woke about common ulterior motives and indications of douchebaggery. Naysayers want women to relinquish their standards, and are the ones who want you to accept a bleak reality thinking that men aren't capable of doing better than lower than the bare minimum.

Looks like no one ITT has actually read FDS content.

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I have very much read the sub. Its full of toxicity. Sample comment from a random thread there:

Lowest scum, literally. Males who want anal so badly need to get it in the ass beforehand. So they know what its like.

You telling me this is a totally healthy comment/reply? Heres another random comment:

Sure it is possible. Lose weight, get an education and treat yourself with dignity. The woman who recently snatched Jeff Bezos is in her 50s... it's never too late to level up. Especially when you are deliberately childfree age doesn't matter.

But for attracting a high value man you have to take care of yourself first.

They are promoting a woman to be a gold digger. How is that healthy? You say what they push for and promote is the same as a healthy male will look for in a relationship, but I think if you look around you find most men don't want a gold digger for a girfriend or that wife. I bet you find a lot of men want to not be the breadwinner anymore and this sub is literally promoting traditionalism. Hell I go as far to say FDS is the female version of TRP.

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Ok so you see it now lol. I wasn’t sure if you had read this one or not yet so I made a second comment with things I wanted to add on instead of editing it in.

They say often “she’s not yours it’s just your turn” and not to do anything a woman wouldn’t make an alpha/hvm/chad do. Reading between the lines this means they believe most women have different standards for men based on the mans perceived value and attractiveness so it’s better to be the man who can get her into bed with the least amount of effort. Some discuss “rewarding” women with LTRs if they “prove” themselves during this phase. All this basically means is that if a woman puts up with bs and low effort from men like this for long enough while being good on her end she’ll get ltr.

From FDS I realize this is unhealthy.

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You have to admit there probably is some creation there, if you disagree for the sake of disagreeing more then likely if she likes X but you feel Y is better the chances of you being the type to do Y is higher.

I Dont think there is anything to address about the second

I like when you say trap a man in a relationship, it's not a trap if he goes into it willingly. A woman holding off sex isn't trapping anyone it's just setting her standards, if he wants sex go elsewhere no biggie.

And the fourth well I live with dudes and I can tell you straight up the fourth if men had to follow half that shot there would be major changes. The amount of 3 in 1 bottles in the trash can and socks with holes is eye opening. It's shit women Dont like but Dont talk about openly around men use it to better yourself.

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Pretty much all of the following

Is moody, immature, selfish, arrogant, racist, sexist, substance abuser. uncultured, thinks he’s always right, financially reckless, eats processed foods or restaurant foods all the time, can’t cook and doesn’t try, doesn’t do anything remotely resembling exercise, doesn’t care about making me climax, too obsessed with sports (some interest is fine but if your whole weekend is planned around football, not my style, doesn’t seem interested in my life but wants to tell me about his, doesn’t include me in his life like on trips with guys when there are other women going, is not affectionate, runs from conflict instead of communicating, doesn’t care about my feelings or if I’m sad, is uninteresting and can’t plan fun things, not curious to learn or expand his horizons, is a bad father, sloppy hygiene, dirty apt/house, dirty car, consistently bad breath (I mean sometimes is fine, but untreated halitosis no way), mood disorder, felons, abusive in any way and to anyone, regularly watches porn, low libido, insecure, likes to flirt with women to make me jealous, tries to change my hair or clothes or makeup, judges me for my past or upbringing or anything, never cries and seems to lack compassion, mama’s boys, cheapskates, male superiority complex, blatantly checks out other women, talks about celebs he wants to fuck, disparaging his exes or talks too much about his old love/s, never picks up a book or listens to an audiobook, can’t change a tire of fix even simple things (handy guys are super sexy to me), has no charitable aspect to him in the least, obsessed with hoarding money but never donating to any causes, I think I covered most of them but there would be more I could think of. Did I just describe the red pill men haha? Anyway, a few of these would not be dealbreakers in the presence of enough good qualities. It sounds like a lot but it just comes down to being a decent human being who is not helpless and takes care of himself and has a giving heart towards others, is strong, compassionate, communicative, open minded, interesting, fun, loving, loyal and respectful.

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I like the post by u/TheOGJammies about how to tell if a guy is good in bed. There's some good comments, with the only ones standing out I sorta disagree with are about a guy talking about going down on a woman.

I get that saying he can and does it for hours is a red flag b/c no woman can really take it for hours straight. I mean not without cooling her down (blowing on her, sucking air over her wet clit to make a cooling sensation, ice, waiting on her breathing to calm, etc.) But that said, if he's at least enthusiastic about wanting to do it, that'd have to be the better option than the guy who refuses to do it, or only if he thinks he has to, and just teases with it.

A lot to most women think they can't get off to straight PIV anyway, so why do you really care if he's "compensating for elsewhere?" Some of us have normal, functioning penises- we just have a fetish for female orgasms. The point is he's a giver, not a taker. You can work with that, and coax and teach him how to get you off as long as he's willing. Just seems like the opposite of something you'd want to vet out. The talking about wanting to go down on you and such.

Edit: Also his taste in music. The more varied the better it seems. At least from talking to guys since I've been paying attention to that. You can kinda judge a book by his cover songs. All country, all rap, or all metal he's likely only one dimensional in the bedroom as well. Or so I've gathered from talking to other guys.

Edit2: TL;DR: There's a difference between bragging, and just talking dirty in the desired context.

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Most men are into giving oral

Maybe so, but according to women I've been with, and talked to, and the orgasm gap statistics, most aren't very good at it, or only do just enough to say they do it. Her actually getting an orgasm from it isn't part of his pregame, foreplay goals.

A lot to most women think they can't get off to straight PIV anyway...
Think? They think? You have just discounted a physical medical fact as something that's just in our heads. FFS

Fair enough, but there's angles where you can hit a clit, and a lot of women can have g spot orgasms. The woman I'm seeing has admittedly only ever had a small handful of PIV only orgasms, and I'm two of them so far. I usually do some clit play while I'm inside her, when I have her legs up to get them like that too. Granted that's still clit action.

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I'm well aware of vag muscle control, she does it all the time on purpose. So have a few others. She thinks it's funny to do it after I cum, to watch me jerk. Like sucking after we get off, same kinda thing.

And no, I don't fuck her for n hour, hour straight trying to get her off with just my dick thrust until she fakes it. I just play around, hit different angles occasionally seeing if any happen to do anything special, just having fun until she squeezes on me, and does other things to tell (show) me she wants me to explode. Then I do.

Sometimes she'll let me swirl her clit while I'm inside, sometimes she'll let me use a vibrator against it.. half to most the time she'll, "uh-uhhh" (or some no sound) and just grab me and pull me in how she wants, and is her way of telling me she wants to just feel me fill her up. So I do. It's all according to how she reacts each time, and the signals she gives me. Sometimes I keep going with toys and make her say please stop- but it's a sexy please, like, "Oh god please don't make me cum again.." not a, "get off of me/stop right now" for real. Other than that, I just go by what her body language tells me she wants.

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Oook, break it down for me maybe? I mean if she can only get off from oral, why is it a turn off for him to tell her upfront he does oral?

How does he know that's how she gets off? If they are already intimate and she loves it, not what I'm talking about. That's just foreplay.

I get bragging probably usually means he's full of shit, but just talking dirty, like telling her how's he wants to to kiss her through and around her panties until he can feel the heat coming off of them, and bury his face into her until he can feel her thighs buckle around his neck isn't the same thing

When are you feeding her these lines? I've had so many experiences of men telling me how into eating pussy they are way before we are even kissing. They always describe it in a gauche non sexy turn off way....they always insist they are doing it right and never are. I've fucked like 200 dudes and only 2 or 3 have gotten me off from oral. More have been decent at it but 0 percent of the men who have been good at it bragged about it beforehand. 100% of the braggers have sucked, and not in a good way.

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Title	r/femaledatingstrategy megathread.
Author	PPD-Angel
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Comments	1847
Date	November 25, 2019 4:42 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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