Q4W: Do you think most men are ugly? Do you think most women are attractive?

EulenWatcher · 2022-11-09T18:43:23+00:00

I think if you get a bunch of men and women naked and with short cut, the attractiveness level of both genders will be pretty even. But it isn’t how we evaluate others and women have far more ways to improve their appearance and there are more niches they can fall under.

Another reason why it can happen is due to constant sexualization of women. We’re used to appreciating women’s beauty, women’s bodies etc. and there are far more art showing off women. Men don’t get that much praise or attention.

Personally I think there are enough pretty women and men out there and few truly ugly ones. I do find more women beautiful, but it might be due to reasons I’ve listed and the fact I was drawing only women and learnt to really appreciate their physique. But it’s not as drastic as the woman from TikTok thinks. Let’s say it’s around 3-4 pretty women to ~2-3 men.

SolidPuzzleheaded984 · 2022-11-09T18:54:24+00:00

No.

But I think an avg girl that self improves. (Gyms hard, etc)

Will see 10x the results than an avg guy that does the same self improvement.

Coolio_Street_Racer · 2022-11-09T18:54:12+00:00

Kills me how she wrote ugly girls as "not cute" but ugly guys as ugly.

Particular_Return166 · 2022-11-09T19:59:14+00:00

I'm bi and it's my time to shine.

I think when straight women (and maybe some other bi women) make this claim, they don't actually mean attractive. They mean presentable or polished.

The majority of women I encounter visibly put some sort of effort into their appearance and hygiene. This effort is not necessarily effective at making them look attractive, but it causes the viewer to subconsciously acknowledge that that lady over there took a shower and picked out clothes that match and most likely even more! While the majority of men also put in some effort, it's more often the bare minimum and men are more likely to be able to go through day to day life without regular showers, styling their hair, or wearing nice clothes without receiving the same level of hostility that women do. Sure, it often impacts their romantic prospects and depending on how much they skip it can impact friendships and career prospects. But as a woman, on days where I had an acne breakout or wore my hair in a ponytail complete strangers treated me like a monster and men who were attracted to me with my hair down suddenly didn't even recognize me. It's just not the same.

I see women all the time who I think are simultaneously very polished and presentable but still sexually repulsive. I can tell they're clean and well groomed but something about their features inspires whatever the opposite of lust is. I think these same women are used as ammo by straight women in their "women are more attractive" arguments. Because to them, these women are doing the right actions and wearing the correct signifiers of "being attractive." But because they don't understand the sensation of visceral lust for a woman, they can't comprehend that the effort doesn't automatically create a result.

A very small percentage of both men and women are attractive enough to inspire instant animal attraction for me, but bless those who do. A slightly larger percentage of both are average attractive, where they are aesthetically pleasing but not unbearably sexy. All of these types are presentable for the most part, though average attractive men are more likely than either hot men and women or average attractive women to put in only the bare minimum required for being presentable. Ugly women still put in a lot of effort to be presentable whereas I think ugly men either also only do the bare minimum or sometimes much much less. But being presentable is not the same as being attractive.

I hope this helps!

Substantial_Wasabi · 2022-11-09T18:50:30+00:00

There’s more feminine looking women than masculine looking men. Most Americans are fat and being overweight isn’t as unattractive on women than men.

psd5 · 2022-11-09T18:39:05+00:00

I think most men and women are average-looking. Not ugly, not hot, just normal-looking people. Only a very small minority of either sex fall into what I would call “ugly,” which I would define as it being actually unpleasant to look at them. Women have more socially accepted aesthetic options to highlight their more attractive features and mask their less attractive ones, however.

As I’ve said before on a similar question, I think debating which sex is “more attractive” is a pointless question with no meaningful answer.

EmeraldsFaure · 2022-11-09T21:29:06+00:00

Wow. What a horrible thing to say by that tiktok account on men’s mental health month. It’s one thing to say most men could try harder to look good, but it’s another to say most men are ugly.

Women care more about own appearance and spend more time and energy to support it than men do.

I adhere to healthy diet, exercise, skincare, and curated style just to look like I’m low maintenance. I don’t slather on makeup or wear Spanx because I do all the aforementioned things. Each day there’s something for personal upkeep; pedicure, Brazilian wax, skin treatment, I do them myself at home. This is in addition to daily pilates. It’s a lot of work.

neutralhumanbody · 2022-11-09T23:58:03+00:00

This is very subjective. But yes.

I find majority (let’s say 80%) of men unattractive. The men I find the most attractive are the ones who look and embrace being fairly average.

I find majority of women attractive. This is not objective truth, it’s just what appeals to me more.

For context, I’m attracted to both men and women. 90% attracted to women, 10% attracted to men.

Everything-Aint-Owt · 2022-11-09T23:14:41+00:00

I think most humans are average looking.

Women benefit from being able to cover up their flaws with make up and filters. In the social media era, you will hardly see a woman in the bare face, natural form. I honestly believe some women don’t even know how they truly look.

Men just have to do deal with the bumps on their face. The gap between good-looking men and ugly men seems to be wider because we don’t have any “assistance” for ugly man to boost their rank.

CimZim · 2022-11-09T18:38:12+00:00

I think seeing ugly people is really rare, just like seeing truly beautiful people is really rare. Almost every person I've encountered in daily life I'd average looking, which is attractive enough.

OldStorageUnit · 2022-11-09T20:36:22+00:00

Majority of women I know spend a lot more time taking care of their appearance than men. Women tend to have complex skin care routines and experience with make up. They are more likely to have a large wardrobe curated to their body type/aesthetic. They invest time in shaving body hair, waxing eyebrows, getting their nails done and styling their hair. They have a collection perfumes and body lotion. They’re more likely to be self conscious about their weight and will be more invested in dieting/nutrition.

The point is, women spend more time to look aesthetically appealing than men. They invest more time, energy, and money to look presentable and maintain immaculate hygiene.

Men on the other hand, with a few exceptions, don’t really consider their wardrobe/hygiene/skincare/diet choices and if they do, they tend to focus on one aspect (ex. Personal fitness) and minimally invest in other aspects.

Of course women tend to be more attractive on average. The average women is investing much more effort to appear attractive than the average man.

toasterchild · 2022-11-09T18:59:04+00:00

I think men are more likely to look boring than actually ugly. So many guys look like they have styled themselves to make their grandmother proud. So you aren't ugly but you exude the energy of a pinecone. So that drops you from potential to nope really fast.

punk_baby333 · 2022-11-09T19:19:06+00:00

I tend to think most men are attractive and most women are attractive. It takes a lot for me to think someone is ugly, and tbh I'm probably more harsh with women (probably cuz I'm just being catty lol). I may be an outlier with this perspective tho.

In terms of that tik tok girls chart, I think both genders are distributed in the way she drew the "women" column.

KlingKlangKing · 2022-11-09T20:02:10+00:00

I dunno about most women being attractive but I would bang like 95% of women I see

learn2earn89 · 2022-11-09T20:33:22+00:00

Honestly, I do think more women put more effort, even if they’re chunky.

I also think this is a response to all the men saying women constantly go for guys above their league. If women hear this, don’t be surprised when they say shit like this. I’m a woman and I find about 10 guys attractive out of about 100s I work with. Now, these are just guys I see around. It’s different when you interact often—attraction can be built.

General_High_Ground · 2022-11-09T21:55:29+00:00

It's not that women are more attractive, it's that men are hornier.

Simple as that.

WideAwake550 · 2022-11-09T20:09:32+00:00

In America, both sides generally look plain or mid. Neither are super attractive or truly ugly on average.

I think American women like to gloat how much better they look because of the effort on makeup and such but, overall, American women generally look plain af outside of Manhattan, Miami, and Los Angeles where dimes are more plentiful.

Men aren't the best looking but people exaggerate the unattractiveness of men here too.

Also, Korean men look better than the average American woman(hell, they probably use just as much makeup too) if we use that same criteria. And comparing American women to Colombian, Ethiopian, Estonian, and Japanese women isn't even fair.

All I'm saying is people who want to claim one group generally looks better than the other need to look at the whole spectrum instead of just stating it for an ego boost. American women looking better than American men is no flex at all.

NoreMiro · 2022-11-09T18:47:23+00:00

I love how men on this sub can't decide if only men are visual or unless you are 6,6 chad with the sharpest jawline you can die in the corner.

I'd say that women on average are way better groomed and styled, which makes a lot of women going from 6/10 to 8/10. Men are dressing like a garbage, don't aknowledge existence of the hair and skin products because "it's gay", have a bad posture, don't care about their smell. All of this makes 6/10 guys going to 4/10 category or even lower.

AstronautLoveShack · 2022-11-09T18:51:36+00:00

I think most people of either gender are unremarkable - neither attractive nor hideous. Just kind of there.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2022-11-09T20:42:52+00:00

When I studied abroad in a big city I remember thinking that it seemed like there were hot women everywhere but average to dumpy men. And that was just my casual observation/ gut reaction, not something that’s been over-thought.

kalashhhhhhhh · 2022-11-09T21:35:13+00:00

I don't believe most men are ugly, most people are neither ugly nor hot. But to be honest, I do find more women to be aesthetically pleasing than men.

Siukslinis_acc · 2022-11-09T21:48:40+00:00

I find around 90% of men have some feature that is aestheticaly attractive...

EmeraldsFaure · 2022-11-09T21:55:21+00:00

I don’t understand the part about women being bullied, with inference that they’re likely unattractive. Know bullying all too well, not saying I’m beautiful but I’m not unattractive either Imgur Photo. Women are bullied not solely based on looks. Maybe I’m misreading your intent.

Also, women can definitely bully other women. So your point about women being only positive towards each other is not the reality. I’m currently on unpaid leave due to being targeted for bullying by a clique of women at work. The scary part is we’re all mental health professionals.

DyingMisfit · 2022-11-09T20:25:16+00:00

In the animal world, the male is unarguably more attractive, thus, no different in a bipedal mammalian primate.

Codoro · 2022-11-09T19:10:15+00:00

I'm bi, most people fall on a standard bell curve.

januaryphilosopher · 2022-11-09T18:46:33+00:00

I don't usually think that people are ugly when I don't find them attractive. They look fine, I'm just not attracted. I find about as many men attractive as women, and about as many men ugly as women. Most women don't find any women attractive because most women are straight. They can only make guesses about whether others find them attractive, and men tend to exaggerate how many they do. (Also, um, your sex drive can't be both spontaneous and visually based. Reacting to seeing something would be responsive.)

Ok_Chicken3237 · 2022-11-09T20:13:31+00:00

I think most people are unattractive. Men are usually slight more unattractive, on average.

Puzzleheaded-Heart46 · 2022-11-09T21:01:30+00:00

I don't think most men are ugly, but most are not eye-catching either. Most are just meh. I think women are more eye-catching because they put more effort into their appearance and they have more attractive bodies.

pearllovespink · 2022-11-09T21:56:42+00:00

I think most people are average or below average. This goes for both men and women.

Think_History_5682 · 2022-11-09T23:05:14+00:00

It's because more so than a man's looks his utility to the woman is attracyive, status, prestige value. What her friends girls at work and family will think of the male

So without knowing that the average looking man is really well below average

Also women have a ridiculous amount of anxiety about men and dating and sex. So throw that in and.... You have. No chance dude. Just give up and get a blow up doll. Or date an obese woman.... There's plenty of those out there!

RocinanteCoffee · 2022-11-09T19:27:07+00:00

This is a tiktok with 2million likes claiming as such (posted during Mens Mental Health Month, no less).

I think this has to do with women having a responsive sex drive, so they will rarely find any given man attractive based on appearance alone.

Tik Tok? Lmao. You people need to stop referencing Tik Tok as an example of any part of reality. People are on there to make content and money, usually not because they actually believe in what they are shilling.

I definitely find men and women attractive based initially on appearance if I know nothing else about them; my sex drive is not "responsive". And I am not alone or unusual.

While I don't think most people are attractive, I do think with grooming and care, that many people can be at least somewhat appealing to somebody.

And, imo, most women are at least slightly hate men as a group

Yikes, that would be wrong. Sure there are some who roll their eyes and say 'men', but a) that's not necessarily hate directed at every man they've ever met or not met and b) not a significant percentage of women who aren't saying it ironically.

I don't think women organically look better than men. I think there is a lot more social pressure, pop culture, and advertising geared toward making women feel insecure unless they look a certain way and in turn even the expectation in the office or in school is that women have styled hair and some makeup, it's shown that not wearing makeup or deliberately styling hair for an interview, regardless if the job has anything to do with people looking at them, can lose you the potential for a job; so even in non-romantic spheres there is much more pressure on women to look a certain way.

Logical-Confection-7 · 2022-11-09T20:44:52+00:00

I think is just an stereotype we have accepted an internalized. You just need to change your tinder adjustments to “looking for men” and you would see that the same face, the same body, fashion decisions, and other visual aspects are interpreted entiérrele different by gay men. Women have just internalized the idea the men aren’t beautiful and aren’t’ desirable, and act accordingly.

SmilesLikeMardiGras · 2022-11-09T21:19:35+00:00

most men are invisible, not attractive or unattractive. I'm not attracted to women. most young slim women seem good looking enough to me

SeveralSadEvenings · 2022-11-09T18:42:28+00:00

Do you think most men are ugly?

Yes.

Do you think most women are attractive?

No, but I can see an average woman and assess her room for improvement.

bison5595 · 2022-11-09T21:40:08+00:00

Most men are at best invisible to women. Unless women start demanding men take care of their appearance more, there always be a wide imbalance of attractive women to attractive men

Cjaylyle · 2022-11-09T22:05:36+00:00

More women view their partners unsexually than they or society would be comfortable admitting

anon-sucks · 2022-11-10T03:08:05+00:00

Most women attractive? Have you ever been to Walmart?

pinktuliplover · 2022-11-09T19:17:35+00:00

Do I think most men are ugly, no. But do I think most men are good looking, definitely not. Most men are on some spectrum of average (average plain, slightly above average, slightly below average.) A smaller amount are good looking. A much smaller amount are just completely ugly.

I think most women are decent looking. Most people are still on the average spectrum, but the difference is that women usually put much more effort into their appearance and the fact that men are just inherently more attracted to the female body than women are to the male body.

AoiLune · 2022-11-09T21:13:53+00:00

What's incredible to me is how most women would rather just leave the bottom 80% of men that they don't find attractive to rot (as if having that many lonely, single men won't have negative effects on our culture) just so that they can all fight over the top 20% of men. They want to complain about most men not being sufficiently attractive, which they aren't wrong about, and yet they don't want to provide any viable solutions to that problem. It's not like these unattractive men just go away. Something has to be done with them, and both sides are going to have to make compromises. Simply ignoring those men however will only make matters worse.

gabishes · 2022-11-09T22:38:38+00:00

As a bi woman. There are more attractive women than attractive men. My dating history is nearly 50/50 so I feel like I have a bit of authority to speak on this. (One more man than woman so its pretty close.) Honestly it would be even if men put the same amount of effort into personal grooming as women. Most women I know are rather attracted to what used to be called “metrosexual” men. Which is just a term made up to bully men who actually take care of themselves. Its not gay to put on lotion and wash your ass.

Alternatively, women have a lot of societal pressure to look perfect, which comes from both men and women. Men don’t care if you wear the same outfit to events, but women sometimes are picky about that. But men tend to “prefer” you to be shaved at least in some way. That is somehow unhygienic for women to have armpit hair. Or the uptick in BBL surgeries. The plastic surgery industry is booming right now. Why? Because as another commenter put it “women outside miami etc tend to look plain.” Why do you think women are so insecure about this? The instagram models get plastic surgery, and their boyfriends and male friends around them follow them and talk about how pretty they are. Which leads to the feeling of inadequacy. Men are not getting plastic surgery and lip filler to become more attractive to the other sex. Effort women put into their appearance is so much more.

There are a lot of misogynistic standards women still uphold which tends to give them the opportunity to look better. So if men raised the bar and women didn’t have to preform all the time, we would be the same

no202 · 2022-11-10T02:21:23+00:00

HYGIENE. Most men don’t take care of themselves. Many don’t even wipe their asses. If they just tried, maybe they’d be more attractive.

MistyMaisel · 2022-11-09T18:56:56+00:00

So this is what I'll say.

Taken from a holistic perspective of physical body, hygiene, fashion, aesthetic, haircut, posture, and ability to project warmth/sensuality/positivity./or ethereal cold beauty...I think the majority of women are attractive and are kicking men's asses in this particular way. (I'm saying that as a woman, in some sense, I'd be better off competitively if this weren't the case and I have every reason to believe this is not the case. But I totally believe it is). Attractiveness is not evenly distributed if you go from a holistic sense. It isn't even distributed in some sense, like who is the distributor? Women are actively making choices and taking an active in pressing interest in being more attractive that men aren't. And it is and has been working. We're on the cutting edge of being attractive in some senses.

If you mean from a lump of clay like, naked, unwashed, unshaven, just fresh from the womb sort of way, I think it's a tough call, but my instinct day to day is that I perceive more women to be beautiful than I do men to be handsome in their facial structures and physiques. I don't think sex drive has anything to do with this sort of evaluation in some senses. It just seems bleedingly obvious to me as a straight woman that if you had two closed doors and asked me which I'd rather look at not knowing anything, I'd pick a woman every time because the chances of a woman being more likely to be attractive is simply much higher.

2022-11-09T19:11:59+00:00

Yes.

Physically and personality wise this is largely true.

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Katatonicsnake · 2022-11-09T19:23:31+00:00

I don’t think men are ugly, but they rarely do the things that would make them actually attractive. A man who takes care of himself (even just the basic stuff) is definitely more attractive than a woman who does so, at least to me as a straight woman. I often see men who make me think “darn, he could be attractive”.

When men here talk about this, I often get the sense that they are talking about their potential attractiveness or comparing men to women if women didn’t do things to look more attractive. But when I talk about this topic, I think about what I see every day, what’s actually real. Women spend more time and money on their appearance, I think it’s a bit naïve to get offended if someone then says that women look better on average.

Barneysparky · 2022-11-09T19:31:41+00:00

Unless I'm into someone I'm not thinking if they are ugly.

Exceptionally attractive people are rare, comprehending that someone is exceptionally attractive does not equate to lust, as a for instance a grandmother or child can be exceptionally attractive, an animal can be exceptionally attractive.

GlumManufacturer1557 · 2022-11-09T19:32:27+00:00

No to both

AGalWithThoughts · 2022-11-09T19:45:38+00:00

most women are at least slightly hate men as a group so they have no problem saying things like “most men are ugly”

lol what

mcove97 · 2022-11-09T19:48:21+00:00

I think a lot of women often appear more attractive cause they put more effort into their appearance with makeup for instance. Without makeup? About the same.

platinirisms · 2022-11-09T20:03:02+00:00

Your got baited by a tiktoker looking for attention.

bunnakay · 2022-11-09T20:23:23+00:00

I wouldn't say most men are ugly. They just look like basic NPCs.

That being said, men seem to do less for their appearance. They don't have styled hair, they clearly don't care for their skin, they don't dress for their body type, etc.

Logical-Confection-7 · 2022-11-09T20:38:40+00:00

But how is that lesbian don’t think most women are ugly?

AzogTheDefiler · 2022-11-09T21:28:59+00:00

Women can't shit talk each other and say alot of them are uggos or fat because it's not socially allowed for them except in closed gossip.

I find alot of women maintain friendships that require them to not step on eachothers toes. There is jokes about how they will be besties with random roommates that they just met despite neither of them really offering much value to each other. This kind of let's be kind to each other or else relationship requires them to lie to each other and prop each other up. Because if they don't then other women can make their lives more annoying and they will.

It's all based on a threat that they can make each others lives unpleasant. Ie if you don't bring my joy then I'll take your joy.

I have some of these friendships too, but the ones I truly cherish are the friends I can call fucking idiots, the ones who can leave a mess at my house and cause little problems cause they live differently than me. I love these selfish friends who I never have to consider what they need because they advocate for themselves. Where would humans be if we never risked pissing each other off.

This type of selfish friendship is based on the threat that they will leave. Ie if you don't bring my joy I'm out.

All individuals form both types relationships. I just have noticed women and men have different overall trends with these. When these first category of relationships end, roommates move out or coworkers switch jobs it's an over friendship and there was never a base of fun or value. When the latter end there's still a fighting chance.

It honestly pains me hearing women's thoughts on guys looks. I was an "ew" or "ick" boy once upon a time. I was just trying to make friends, and I did with other people.

I find most dudes to be decent looking, solid, alright as long as they aren't overweight or can't dress themselves. When I've heard gals opinions about these guys it's cruel. Most of the time they are polite enough to lie and say or just not really my type I don't see it, but if they lay in they will usually just pick out every specific detail of someone's face that they don't like. Talking about smile corridors and shit.

Meanwhile I don't even notice that kind of thing and probably would never care.

Alot of women are super insecure about their looks, probably about the same as men to be honest. Many women feel obliged to wear makeup because goddamn are alot of them brutal, spiteful, shallow and insecure on the inside. Too many people tie their self worth to their appearance, anything that can affect their appearance negatively, Ie dating down is a threat.

North America is notoriously worse for dating than europe. It's also a puritan nudity taboo culture, these have to be related. We all are humans, anything that can happen to another human could happen to you. If a healthy humans body repulses you just for existing thats probably your fault.

(Nudists are based as fuck tbh)

Many-Leader2788 · 2022-11-09T21:50:55+00:00

I think this has to do with women having a responsive sex drive, so they will rarely find any given man attractive based on appearance alone

Sexual response to erotic images is the same in women and men, being the least sure indicator of arousal as a reaction to such image (there were other indicators such as background, etc.)

https://www.mpg.de/13723437/the-brains-of-men-and-women-react-to-erotic-images-in-the-same-way

!!! Personal opinion/Not a woman !!!

The rest of "beauty" value in society at large mostly depends on societal reassurance, peer pressure, personal tastes, style of being and make-up use + beauty products use.

Flightlessbirbz · 2022-11-09T21:58:04+00:00

There is no scientific reason to believe that there must be as many “objectively” attractive men as women. Attractiveness is nothing more than a consensus. So if more people find more women than men to be attractive, they are. For example, men are naturally taller than women. Men’s height may be distributed on a bell curve, and so can women’s. There will be some women taller than some men, but the average man will be taller than the average woman. There’s no reason to believe it isn’t the same with attractiveness.

All this being said, I want to clarify that I do not think the average man is “ugly.” But it’s very possible that the average woman is a bit cuter to most people’s eyes, not due to bias but due to how women evolved.

DarmakJalad · 2022-11-09T22:11:29+00:00

No, I don’t think most men are ugly. I do think the average women is more visually attractive than the average man though.

inkybreadbox · 2022-11-09T22:47:41+00:00

No.

Yes.

1Here4Bach · 2022-11-09T22:49:25+00:00

Most men are average. He hence the word average.

Vegetable-Rub3418 · 2022-11-09T23:17:08+00:00

Yes they do

Countess_Leo · 2022-11-09T23:44:20+00:00

Most men and women are anywhere from unattractive to average.

ChocoOranges · 2022-11-10T00:43:18+00:00

Andrea Tate

russiaonice_ · 2022-11-10T00:51:33+00:00

Watching this made me really glad I deleted tiktok months ago

TheNamelessComposer · 2022-11-10T01:38:01+00:00

Standard anti male bullshit, really. Like that's her totally objective breakdown of attractiveness by gender...and most 'cute' girls struggle to find someone? Cute theory. I'm a hetero guy so notice/am personally more attracted to women, but can appreciate good looking men and don't think women are 'objectively' more attractive. Maybe cos of makeup and grooming they might present as such, but this video just perpetuates more casual misandry imo. I guess that's in right now.

tabris51 · 2022-11-10T02:16:33+00:00

Ah, so there is a mens mental health month..

Unhappy-Slice-5098 · 2022-11-10T02:24:53+00:00

I think social media really warps our perceptions of people, together with whatever the culture of your country is. A 4/10 in one country could be a 9/10 in another. It pays off to broaden your horizons. Grooming and knowing how to style yourself also goes a long way. If (American) men figure that out it would really level the playing field. Which is happening, but slowly.

2022-11-10T02:33:35+00:00

Women only find a small minority of the best men attractive bc of biological reasons, and women also support women no matter what for evolutionary biological reasons too. That’s why they believe women are more attractive. Unlike women, men are in competition with each other, so that’s why you don’t see the same behavior in men.

DrequanDaGoat · 2022-11-10T02:41:57+00:00

I rarely see a ugly girl, always see goofy looking dudes

alexaxl · 2022-11-10T03:14:52+00:00

Pointless exploration without having graded reference benchmarks (across races/ regions/ cultures) and accounting for grooming / makeup factors in it as well.

Add too much makeup and filters and posing and it’s all skewed more.

Not reality at all.

hermioneselbow · 2022-11-10T05:08:02+00:00

no?? is this for real?

piggybrickhouse · 2022-11-10T05:20:33+00:00

Yes. Most girls I see are fairly pretty. At least cute. There's a ton of really pretty ones.

Attractive boys are extremely rare. And even attractive ones are... not that attractive usually. Go on pinterest or something and type in "hot guy model" or something, scroll through, and you probably won't like nearly all of them.

Professional_Cold463 · 2022-11-10T05:28:03+00:00

If Women didn't wear make up, have cosmetic surgery, lip fillers, fixed their teeth etc 75% would be downright scary lol. Men do none of that yet we are the ugly ones

supershotmd · 2022-11-10T05:45:39+00:00

They (women) are definitely prettier when they are younger. But they're like a bright star that burns out.

Take a look at Jennifer Aniston - she's way past her time and even with all the surgery and photoshopping it's only other women who are complimenting her on her latest magazine cover:

https://interactive.allure.com/jennifer-aniston-cover/public/static/3a7194e8ec19a0ae5bf1611964092565/64ab2/Allure_Cover_Aniston_2022.jpg

Haunting_Afternoon62 · 2022-11-10T06:17:36+00:00

I think men get away with being unattractive way easier than a woman does. You always see a hot chick with a less attractive guy. When I see a hot guy with a less attractive woman I'm actually shocked. Like "this guy LOVES her??" And not because she doesn't deserve love but because how we are always told how men are visual. So how did it happen?? Women are emotional and want stability so the less attractive guy makes sense.

GridReXX · 2022-11-10T06:41:06+00:00

anonymousUser1SHIFT · 2022-11-10T06:41:43+00:00

I think most women are attractive enough for my base line.

However I don't think woman disproportionately make up more of the attractive population by a large amount.

Moreover, I tend to find when I look past add that makeup and shear amount of padding in their bras (sorry but like holy moly like 60% do women wear pushup bras). I tend to find them less and less attractive more akin to how attractive men are.

So lady's, if you think most men are not attractive don't look into a mirror.

kokorwqac · 2022-11-10T07:09:28+00:00

I think women grooming themselves more compared to men(makeup, skin care, plastic surgery) and having more neoteny (kids are prettier than adults typically) helps, tho im still ugly as a woman so who cares

RandomAttackHelpMe · 2022-11-10T07:30:45+00:00

Funny you mention this. Because did I come across something that is rather telling. I don't think anyone will be surprised per se, but well, it's come to this. Anyways:

https://www.youtube.com/c/BasedManiaOfficial/shorts

SwimmingTheme3736 · 2022-11-10T09:56:26+00:00

No i find a lot of men attractive

owlvdv · 2022-11-10T10:21:57+00:00

I think men and women see the scale very differently, for both their own and opposite sex. What I view as a 7/10 man, often thinks of himself as a 5/10. What I view as a 7/10 woman, also often is seen as a 5/10 by men. I hardly ever think of anyone as ugly. But, I don't care much for looks anyway. Intelligence is way more important for me. I like men and women who look smart. I'm probably the odd one out

Ylduts · 2022-11-10T11:18:13+00:00

In all of recorded history most nude statues are male. We have gone awry in modern times by placing pudgy women on a pedestal. The male body shouldn’t be shamed and should once again become the pinnacle of human form! 😳

Its_me_Cathy · 2022-11-10T11:48:42+00:00

No, I can find something attractive about most men. But then, I really respond to masculine energy.

billsull_02842 · 2022-11-10T23:12:13+00:00

God may have created men to be more attracted to women or womens curves may trump lines.

Apprehensive_Cut_146 · 2022-11-11T12:11:12+00:00

I think most people ave average and bellow average, either men or women.

Spacetalks3114 · 2022-11-12T18:21:16+00:00

Do I think most men are ugly? No. Most men are average.
Do you think most women are attractive? What is your definition of attractive? Like men wanting to sleep with women? Or rating a woman on a beauty scale 1-10?

If it's the latter, I'd say most women are about average. In a woman's case you can put on makeup and contour the face to make it look like you have a jawline. So you can cover and make your face look altered based on how well you can put on makeup. Which can probably skew the results somewhat.

Most people, both men and women are average, it's only rarer that you will get outliers that are extremely ugly and extremely good looking.

xgrape01 · 2022-12-24T03:11:08+00:00

Go outside and look at 10 men… most men look disgusting

AgreeableLunch6821 · 2023-02-14T02:45:11+00:00

Most of men I meet are not attractive. In a sense, they don't take care of selves - dress horrible, overweight...behavior is bad, rude so on.

PossessionFun5695 · 2023-02-14T11:32:14+00:00

Take into consideration men don't have Curvy bodies but straight bodies, most have straight Slim legs, dont wear makeup, usually wear basic polo shirts as pijamas and go to work in them, rarely use diamond or nice necklaces (just plain old cuban chain). They are bad taking fotos.

Their attitude isnt joyful and their faces dont look attractive (blame testosterone or genetics).

So... Partially they're unattractive because... 1. Genetics-family features and testosterone (testosterone does involve in beautiness like hard skin, long curveless bodies, not nice faces).

It's because they dont make effort to look better other than using basic clothes and maybe a well maintained beard.

Title	Q4W: Do you think most men are ugly? Do you think most women are attractive?
Author	FancyComfortable4678
Upvotes	116
Comments	399
Date	November 9, 2022 6:33 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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