When Gen Z men get into their 30s will it even be worth it to date 30s women?

Something-bothersome · 2023-11-07T04:28:50+00:00

Is there any reason to believe there will be a huge shift in personality between women in their 20’s and women in their 30’s?

Aren’t women in their 20’s already picky? Isn’t that the dreaded reason they didn’t date you in the first place? They got all the way to 30 unmarried apparently due to this very flaw. So now you are chasing after women in their 20’s at peak pickiness, where they have maximum selection and at peak power due to their youth?

0DarkFlirty · 2023-11-07T01:15:11+00:00

That's for each person to decide. You guys are way too black and white on so many things. Also just because women generally like older guys doesn't mean you're gonna be like 37 and killing it with 25 year old women. I mean you could but you're probably already attractive to many women already. If you had loads of trouble dating and are still pretty "average" I don't really see a guy hitting his 30s and getting lots of attention although in general I do see guys get more attention than they got before.

Legitimate_Author289 · 2023-11-07T00:53:38+00:00

The median age of first marriage is increasing over time. Currently over 30 for men and over 28 for women. I it will continue to be normal for people to wait to couple up until their thirties due to career, family, or other reasons and not necessarily because there is something wrong with them. I know plenty of great men and women who were focused on their careers, travel, and education in their twenties only to become more serious in their late twenties/early thirties. That being said these people tend to be at the higher end of the socioeconomic spectrum which likely has an impact on their choices

Perfect-Resist5478 · 2023-11-07T01:49:50+00:00

Where is the evidence that gen z women who are single in their 30s will have terrible personalities? There isn’t any, cuz gen z women aren’t that old yet. This is just a revenge fantasy.

penndelnj · 2023-11-07T01:26:22+00:00

Will the younger women even want you? Consider that. They don’t want some nearly middle aged thinks he’s young guy who will throw her over when she’s 30.

MyLastBestChance · 2023-11-07T00:58:46+00:00

It seems as though you’re skipping the part where the man is also in their thirties…and either hasn’t been chosen or hasn’t committed. Either way it could be indicative of equally awful characteristics and choices as the ones you have assigned to the women.

KayRay1994 · 2023-11-07T02:21:18+00:00

Ah yes, women in their 30s clearly have issues but men in their 30s don’t - that being said, being single in your 30s isn’t even indicative of “having issues” - does it increase the likelihood of meeting somebody single with issues? for sure, but it really doesn’t mean shit - especially since people aren’t as pressured to marry younger

sublimemongrel · 2023-11-07T02:01:02+00:00

Why would single 30s men be this much better than single 30s women? Why are you assuming only single women of this demographic “have issues” yet the men don’t??

Adorable-Plane-4776 · 2023-11-07T02:14:45+00:00

People also go through breakups at all ages too you know, not everyone was too picky, some people were dumped, cheated on, etc.

Junior_Ad_3086 · 2023-11-07T02:30:59+00:00

if you can pull it off and it's your preference, obviously you should date younger women. like, who or what would stop you? women in their 30s using shaming language? you won't care about that, it will seem comical to you at best.

but i think the red pill deluded a lot of men who struggle with dating into believing they will get hot 20 year olds once they're 30+. most won't. the guys who date younger women usually dated since they were teenagers, they have experience and character traits that are desirable to women, they're attractive etc.

having money (most won't make 6 figures either) and going to the gym won't do much if you have poor social skills and are short/ugly as far as (genuinely) attracting younger women goes. TRP certainly overstates the impact of 'the wall', women still have way higher SMV than average guys in their 30s. most certainly won't have their pick of the litter, especially if they're the type who struggled a ton with women in the past.

TSquaredRecovers · 2023-11-07T01:28:30+00:00

Did it ever occur to you that women focus on their education and careers in their 20s, just like many young men do?

The average age of marriage is 28.6 for women and 30.4 for men. These numbers creep up every year, as people hold off getting married until after they are financially stable. There isn’t anything inherently wrong with a woman marrying after 30.

Financial_Leave4411 · 2023-11-07T00:58:32+00:00

A big thing you’re missing is that less and less people are born each year meaning less and less women are in the 18-23 bracket each year. With more and more men targeting that age range and less and less women that age available how will it turn out well for the majority of men?

Familiesarenations · 2023-11-07T02:23:30+00:00

Why would they have terrible personalities? Or be used up? This is just hateful, ignorant and if I might say, laughable!

Better get married in your 20's if you really think this way.

Nihi1986 · 2023-11-07T10:56:26+00:00

Once you are in your 30's you will understand why you don't really want to hit on much younger women, at least not for a serious relationship.

kvakerok · 2023-11-07T12:45:50+00:00

30yo women already look worn AF, lol. Can't even imagine what Zoomers will have to deal with. Y'all have my condolences lol.

FineDevelopment00 · 2023-11-07T01:17:40+00:00

never before in human history have women had so much choice

Previously before had you not settled for someone you would be a burden to your family, have to go into a nunnery, face monetary issues, etc.

They will have had so much power in opportunity in dating

disgusting characteristics and really bad red flags.

Hmmm... This really says it all about your mindset when women having choices over their own lives is your underlying complaint about why you find modern dating to be bad. Also, what u/MyLastBestChance said.

SpeedyFalcon874 · 2023-11-07T00:33:37+00:00

I don't see why younger women would be any better of an option, you say women have more power than ever in the dating game, wouldn't that only continue to increase over time? What's stopping it from getting even worse in the future? That means in theory, women in their 20s would be even worse or just as bad as 30s Gen Z women. Personally I don't think dating is worth it anymore but I think there's still ways to successfully play the game. However the issue is, as a man you have to play their game, dating is a woman's game and if you wan to date women you have to play by the rules they created.

vivienneebackwood · 2023-11-07T05:53:05+00:00

thanks for the laugh

Appropriate-Ad-8030 · 2023-11-07T01:00:09+00:00

Yeah duh…remember their game is you got to go get them…your game is to go get yours…play your game not theirs

GodspeedHarmonica · 2023-11-07T06:41:49+00:00

Depends on if those men will be willing to take risks or if they will continue expect dating to be easy and done without any effort

No-Click9406 · 2023-11-07T11:29:46+00:00

I don't know if I would outright write off someone in their 30s that is unmarried but I would definitely question why they are still unmarried and would probably be hesitant to take the relationship seriously.

I probably wouldn't date anyone younger than me though because I dated an 18 year old when I was 22 and it was a terrible experience.

Key_Construction1332 · 2023-11-07T14:51:51+00:00

People are willing to settle more as they get older lol

CountMandrake · 2023-11-07T23:32:11+00:00

+30?

Man, there are a TON of bitter, jaded women who are below 25 already.

Haven't you been at a feminist parade? Not once?

Most women these days are a trainwreck shit you not.

You better start to tone it down with your expectations of "dating" because it's going to be a shitshow by the time you hit 30.

I'm not a fatalist tho, we all be right, trust me. Some things are going to change, and instead of marriages and relationships for life and yadayada you'll have casual shit going on everywhere.

This is supposed to get better at some point of course, society will correct itself eventually, but it won't happen in a life time.

Also, most advanced societies are going the way of the doo doo in the next decades, so there are a hella more important things to worry about in the years to come than "dating" and "find me a trad wifey".

nightsofthesunkissed · 2023-11-07T12:27:09+00:00

If you're defining quality as someone who has had luck throughout their life before 30, you can easily apply the same to single men 30+.

So if the 30+ woman has a crappy personality / issues / red flags, so does her 30+ male counterpart who clearly hasn't lucked out either. Why has he also had trouble securing a partner?

chickenfriedsteakdin · 2023-11-07T21:45:50+00:00

I’m in my early 50’s dating women 20 years younger. Dating is so easy vs being in my 20’s and early 30’s. Now I know I am an exception-6ft 15% body fat, dress, manners, and means. Dating women my age is not anything worth pursuing. Women will say “what do you have in common?” I have nothing in common with older women who don’t take care of themselves, have lots of negative attitude, look to me to bail them out of their lifetime of poor choices but I’m the asshole for not wanting their children, their premenopausal sexuality and their western woke women entitlement. All men just need to realize if you do things right dating younger and often much nicer /positive is a possibility. Remember that most normal to attractive women live lives men would consider similar to a c level celebrity. When they break into their 30’s their hit tv show gets cancelled and they are forever mad, trying to reclaim the status they once had.

Ackee_an_Salfish · 2023-11-07T23:50:38+00:00

Where does this “power” that you say women have in dating come from? Reading your post raises many flags in regards to what incorrect conclusions you’ve made about dating

CalculatorOctavius · 2023-11-08T00:46:22+00:00

I’m 26 and I definitely don’t plan on dating a girl in her 30s. If I’m still single when I’m 30 I will go for the 18-25 range. If I get to 40 still single then I will just become a monk or something

Wonderful_Ad_3694 · 2023-11-08T04:53:28+00:00

We anticipate that by our 30's ai chatbots and virtual reality porn will replace actual face to face dating and physical intimacy as well as any meaningful human connection.

I mean come on, we have ai chatbots today that are practically indistinguishable from real people online and are essentially always available unlike flesh and blood humans.

Safinated · 2023-11-09T00:33:53+00:00

It will if that’s all they can get

EmuEquivalent5889 · 2023-11-09T00:51:41+00:00

1 out of 10 might be worth a shit

SnooCupcakes9990 · 2023-11-09T01:05:05+00:00

No 👎

I am a millennial and approaching my 30s. I started working out on myself physically and financially at 25. Most women that age have enjoyed their fun early on and had so much attention that they couldn't care about working on themselves. Now the game has changed. Those who were actually very good women are married and have kids now. Most of the others are broken, have not improved themselves, are single moms with nothing much to offer anymore.

I cannot settle or find that appealing. Go look on Tinder at women over 30 and tell me how much you find really attractive? Now compare them to the other sexes of their age!

There are exceptions for sure, but I swipe right often on women under 30 and barely on women over 30 since I am not interested.

Lina-Inverse · 2023-11-07T00:40:12+00:00

Not all women in their 30s are gonna be trash, come on.

Just gotta remember whoever someone is in their 30s, that's likely who they will be for the remainder of their life. Any issues they have are pretty much permanent.

Don't date the ones in their 30s who still think they are in their 20s though (along with all the entitlement that comes with being in their 20s). Nothing is more of a huge red flag than that.

If you want an example of the shit to look out for from women in their 30s just head over to r/AskWomenOver30/

Some threads can be a gold mine of things to avoid in women over 30, but it's not all bad.

*edit*

This one has to be one of my favs:

(2) What are your most controversial or unpopular dating rule/opinion : AskWomenOver30 (reddit.com)

With gems like this

I now strictly avoid men 30+ with low body count (like 1-2 girlfriends back in his 20s) or virgins. They all are weird and obsessed with porn. I don't even ask men about their sexual experience, these guys always bring it up first, like "I hope it won't scare you away but I only had one girlfriend/never had sex at all".

Also single mothers who refuse to date single dads, only men without children. (Looking for a beta bux and they don't want the mans money going to another family.)

The list goes on.

Spare-Estimate5596 · 2023-11-07T03:06:16+00:00

Guys need to realize there is no wall. A woman at 50 can have simps on OF and a bunch if dudes willing to marry her even if she has 3 kids.

claratheresa · 2023-11-07T04:31:41+00:00

Gen Z men worried about this should all just settle down in their early 20s before you develop a terrible personal or become too picky, if you can find a woman your age who wants you. Women in their 30s aren’t going to be interested in babysitting you.

Men need to figure out that they do not become more desirable as they age.

claratheresa · 2023-11-07T04:38:40+00:00

Most men are not going to be much more attractive in their 30s. This is a lie that men in their 20s tell themselves- they will be an older version of what they are now, which is the median male with student loans, mediocre income, and low status/value to society. Women will still not want to fuck them. 🤷🏼‍♀️

anonym1230 · 2023-11-07T02:12:33+00:00

remember this is only 10% of world pop you are talking about. most of the world does partner-matching/arranged marriages and suppresses female “alpha fucks/beta bucks” nature

OutsideSound3247 · 2023-11-07T05:43:52+00:00

It will be worse

I mean, around 25% of gen z women are lgbt. So there are only 75% of women left

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/03/10/gen-z-women-straight-bisexual-survey/

Add to that dating app, guys who hit on them and just casual sex, gen z women would have more sex than most women in history.

By her 30s, most gen z women would have a body count that would dwarf porn stars.

And given 63 percent of Gen z men are not dating and have already given up, hypergamy would be rampant.

https://medium.com/illumination/per-fox-gen-z-men-are-not-dating-and-heres-why-e17c524f4dca

Imagine just 1% guys getting all the women. We would have polyamory at a massive scale where dozens of women share a baby daddy, and most men are just used as fodder for taxes or cheap labor.

Aubrey_D_Graham · 2023-11-07T02:10:44+00:00

I wouldn't give other 30s first crack when I'm in my 30s, and why should I? I was single in my 20s, and they didn't pick me. I would have loved to settle down and build something together. Now that I've worked and built something of myself, I'm more marketable. They can get in line with all the other women.

EveningEveryman · 2023-11-07T02:27:06+00:00

If I make it to 30 without finding a girl I'm gonna shoot myself lmao.

lowlifedougal · 2023-11-07T03:21:49+00:00

Any attractive women in their 30s is either taken or extremely picky with nasty attitudes basically continuing what they did in their 20s . All the other women on the market fat, ugly or single moms looking for step fathers.

Does nit matter the generation. 30s men have to settle for single moms or an unpleasant attractive woman

30s woman have to settle dad bods or face fuck boy galore.

The common theme is the illusion of choice

Leicadrug6000 · 2023-11-07T09:22:07+00:00

https://mindful-masculinity.org/2023/11/06/do-men-really-have-more-time-than-women-in-the-sexual-market-place/ wrote a piece on this recently . From my perspective men can have the potential to be more attractive as they are older usually because they are earning more , they have had more life experience and are more mature which are all attractive qualities. But men need to expense more time in finding an appropriate female to date which can take bucket loads of time for a lot of people and for men with low sexual market value there may not be enough time to get the women they want depending on their socioeconomic status etc.

Eastern-Action1384 · 2023-11-07T01:35:06+00:00

What's wrong with women in their 30. Do all men turn to handsome, successful guy after 30 or what? Am I the only guy who gets old and ugly with time? Do all men attract 20 something years old after 30? Am I the only guy that only attract 30+ women? Someone needs to answer me cause I start to think that I am the sad exception here.

buttfook · 2023-11-07T08:10:07+00:00

Did you just say I’m too black?

Spyro7x3 · 2023-11-07T01:59:44+00:00

Absolutely 30s men should date 20s women get them with less baggage and don't play their game. Men have an advantage here because women are more open to dating someone 5-10 years older.

I think this was always the natural way any way back in the day 15 year age gaps were common women should pair off young with established early 30s men

I think all this "you must date your exact age" stuff is super artificial and not natural

You can see it in other cultures like China with "left over women" call it whatever you want but I'm confident theres a reason that multiple cultures and throughout history that idea was established.

SecondEldenLord · 2023-11-07T00:36:26+00:00

Most of the time no because they are most likely ran through, they most likely have a child or two, they most likely have baggage and trauma, they most likely have an attitude, they most likely don't take care of themselves, so most of the time, no. And before "not all women" police shows up, pay attention that I said most, not all. Most means more than 50%.

ZaWarudo234 · 2023-11-07T04:08:08+00:00

I've been thinking about this lately, and I find it hard to want to picture. When I'm thirty and single, I'll probably be super bitter about it. And if I have a career and my health in check, I'm gonna feel a certain type of way about being good enough now but not good enough in my 20s. It's probably presumptuous and redpilled of me to think this way, but feeling like being someone's last resort would kinda suck.

KorinTowerFreeloader · 2023-11-07T09:34:40+00:00

A lot of responses in this thread are so blissfully ignorant it's not even funny. This thread is just further evidence as to why by 2030, we will have the highest (close to 50%) single and childless rates among women in the 25-44 bracket in the history of the world, and by 2040, even more than that. The sad part is that nearly half the women over the age of 40 are on anti-depressants as it is, the same women who thought they had time, rode the carousel, and now are single or unhappy with a Beta. As the studies say, if it didn't end up in cheating like it usually does for women with a higher body count, then Billy Beta cheated once he realized he was being taken advantage of. The divorce rates for our generation will be the highest ones yet. If you think the current, almost 50% stat (for first marriages, for 2nd and 3rd, it's even higher) is high, then just wait 10-15 years and see. It doesn't take a genius to realize the most basic common sense backed by studies that the higher the body count for women, the higher the chances of a) not being desirable and b) the relationship collapsing. If you don't want to do the basic research, just look around you. Do women really haven't figured out yet that men of all ages consider women between 18-24 as the most desirable (look at the studies) because men value youth and innocence as the most attractive traits? Don't believe me? See how much it costs to get a virgin female escort on the internet versus a virgin male escort. Women are born in a candy shop, where even very average women have a huge selection of guys to sleep with or get into relationships with at a young age. Meanwhile, most men at the same level of looks have virtually no options (only men considered 9 and 10 in looks do), so unless they get lucky picked by a woman, most will need to spend 10 or so years working on their status, finances, maxing their looks, etc., to start attracting these younger women. I think every man on here who hit at least his late twenties is also noticing the increased attention from women their age. Yeah, now, having spent 10 or so years with Chad, they are waking up to the reality that Chad won't commit, and they are nowhere near his level. Now, the guys in their late twenties, the ones who worked hard to increase their value, are about to enter the very same candy shop the women are leaving, having wasted 10 years there not being able to pick the candy of their choice.

In answer to OP's question, no, it's not worth it. I wish some men on here could see just how much better it can be elsewhere. Go out of the toxic environment you are in and enioy life with normal women.

Sure-Vermicelli4369 · 2023-11-07T01:51:20+00:00

No, and the same thing is happening with millennials. By the time a woman hits 30 she is full of trauma from the poor choices she made in her 20s.

tadL · 2023-11-07T06:28:08+00:00

If you as a men hit 30 and you have access to the age range 20 to just old.

Why would you pick older in first place?

AceOfSpadesGymBro2 · 2023-11-07T00:43:52+00:00

Of course not. They want to date the young stuff, 20something year olds.

FutureBannedAccount2 · 2023-11-07T00:55:47+00:00

Most people deteriorate as they get older because they don't take care of themselves. I think if a mane stays fit, and has a solid career there's no reason he won't be able to get a 23-26 year old woman at 35.

Eastern-Action1384 · 2023-11-07T01:39:06+00:00

Honestly most women in their 30s are humble. Like life humbled them. It's more about how crazy she was and are you ok with her past or not.

Anon8896 · 2023-11-07T08:19:12+00:00

I'm glad you're asking the pertinent questions. I imagine most guys who don't become fat and gross in their 30s would end up with someone younger, or will try get with a lot of women to make up for "missing out".

I think a lot of women, especially ones who write snarky reddit comments to end up like Shulamith Firestone but hopefully not as sad. It's for certain that most people will have insufferable personalities. Hell really is other people lmao.

ZenityDzn · 2023-11-07T17:12:57+00:00

Ppl always general date near their own age. Doesn’t matter how old they are. It’s very simple. 0.05% (made up to illustrate point) will be in 30s dating 22 yo woman. Most men dont even want that let alone could do it.

Mkg102216 · 2023-11-08T07:58:01+00:00

With the economy being what it is if you want to have good collective income then it would be better to go with a woman who is also a full-grown adult with a stable career instead of an early 20's who have only lived in their parents's house.

Ac3leco · 2023-11-07T04:02:47+00:00

Gen Z women are already completely anti-social and insufferable. They grew up during the peak of toxic feminism.

shonenhikada · 2023-11-07T08:52:15+00:00

No lol. Women at that point will have triple digit body count, heavy mental and emotional damage, substance abuse, increase dating stanards, STDs and nothing of worth to offer other than sex.

SteveSan82 · 2023-11-07T05:36:31+00:00

Only date women under 25 years old. All others are recreation

SteakhouseBlues · 2023-11-07T02:20:56+00:00

Exactly. Women may be the gatekeepers to sex, but men are the gatekeepers to relationships.

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thefaehost · 2023-11-07T10:17:36+00:00

Instead of taking your information about dating and it’s history from some article, there’s a book you should read. Aziz Ansari partnered with a sociologist to write it. It’s fantastic and I don’t even like him.

I say this because to have any questions answered about the truth, the past and present are important context- and they aren’t universal. Dating is different everywhere and always has been.

CingKole · 2023-11-07T12:38:40+00:00

Dating will always be a waste of time.

AdhesivenessLevel379 · 2023-11-07T13:37:24+00:00

I’m in my early 20s now - if I were single I would not seriously date anyone older than 30.

I don’t want children until my 30s by which point the guy would be in his 40s.

While it’s fine to have kids then i assume most guys in their mid-late 40s or even older don’t want to be dealing with sleepless nights and nappies.

So I’d be with someone pressuring me to get married and have kids within a couple years if he was in his mid 30s or older which just wouldn’t work out and we’d both be wasting our time.

A lot of you are very delusional thinking that after 30 years of not being able to get women, as soon as you get hit your 30s you’ll have hot women in their 20s throwing themselves at you.

The average age gap in hetero relationships is 3-4 years. Also, divorce rates are HIGHLY correlated with age gaps more than 5 years.

Freethinker312 · 2023-11-07T14:29:03+00:00

So for Gen Z men who get into theri 30s what would be the point of trying to date their peers who hit 30?

Why should a man wait until his 30s for looking for a wife? You know, it's possible to look for someone your own age, when you are still young yourself? In general women are more attracted to men close to their own age (often slightly older), than to men 10+ years older, so if you want to find a woman in her twenties, better try in your twenties.

Iluvalmonds83 · 2023-11-07T15:13:44+00:00

I mean , sure. If I were a single guy in his thirties and pursuing a relationship, it would make sense that I would be more attracted to “pre-wall” younger women than older “used up, damaged goods”.

But I would also understand there is a time based “wall” for men; not for looks but for what wealth/economic success they should be reaching based on their age. Women start out with their SMV being the highest while young then declines with age, for men their resources/status are expected to grow as they age.

It would make no sense that a higher value young pretty woman is going to pick that older man who comes with little/no resources(“value”). That 30+ man still faces the same issue of competition, as women will always have multiple options.

It’s not a question of “is it worth it to date older women”. It’s more like “what can I do to be more competitive for the kind of woman I want?”

Cats_domino · 2023-11-07T16:29:47+00:00

I’m praying for the day we get over this 30’s thing. I truly am.

BaronGrackle · 2023-11-07T17:20:15+00:00

"If a woman gets the idea in her head that she can just choose who she wants to marry, then will it ruin her?"

OP, are you a human?

basedmama21 · 2023-11-07T18:46:26+00:00

Just get a woman in her twenties like my husband did (I’m talking about myself btw not another woman hahaha)

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2023-11-07T23:40:30+00:00

In my opinion, No. They would be willingly dating women with higher body counts and more emotional trauma than them, which both are a predicator of divorce. The issue will be if those men can attract and retain younger women and unless they have worked on themselves and self improved, the answer is no. So in the future as a 30 year old man you will either have an abundance of choice and options or very little choice or no options. For those who can afford it, becoming a Passport Bro is another option

Title	When Gen Z men get into their 30s will it even be worth it to date 30s women?
Author	JokeElectronic3188
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Date	November 7, 2023 12:24 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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