Studies saying women are "happier single" than men are extremely misleading

morbidnihilism · 2023-04-03T16:44:17+00:00

To sum up, single women: almost always it's a choice; single men: almost always it's not a choice.

platinirisms · 2023-04-03T14:54:35+00:00

There are no studies that show woman are happier single.

The famous one that got on all the news headlines was misunderstood by the researches. Surveyors asked married women how happy they were in general, and when their husband was “Out of the room”, their satisfaction levels were much lower than single women.

Researches originally thought “out of the room” meant literally that, that their husband wasn’t in the room for the interview and women could freely talk about their marriage.

What “Out of the room” actually meant was that they had basically been split up and were living in different houses.

So of course, when you add married women who have split up with their husbands in a survey about how happy married women are, you’re going to get a skewed result.

Besides this one misinterpreted study. Every other study done on the subject has shown married women are happier than single women.

bd31 · 2023-04-03T16:37:16+00:00

The energy squandered debating who suffers more, could be used to help one another suffer less.

RememberToEatDinner · 2023-04-03T15:34:22+00:00

This is not at all an accurate representation of what it is like for single women.

The thing that you aren't considering is that a lot of men are terrible and selfish lovers, so a woman could spend a lot of time being desperate for genuine connection, good sex, and affection and never get it. The saying "Dating for men is like looking for clean water in the desert. Dating for women is like looking for clean water in a swamp." is pretty accurate.

Accomplished_Hyena_6 · 2023-04-04T06:40:51+00:00

I feel like everyone on this thread is living a very different life from the next person. Our personal judgments and life experiences are shifting the way we think because that how we “experienced life”

I have friends who are happily married and content in their marriage. I have friends who are staying just for the sake of kids. I know people who are having affairs. Friends that are single and career women that are having a blast in their life. Women who had kids very young and now are able to be free without a partner.

There’s all types of situations.

No-Rough-7390 · 2023-04-03T15:03:25+00:00

Any statistic that relies on self reporting, specifically in this arena, is worth being incredibly skeptical of. Women aren’t going to admit they made bad decisions and, moreover, they want comfort on others who have done the same as them to commiserate.

The life of a single woman (especially in their 30s on onward) like most things sounds far more glamorous to women than it actually is. Women are very unique in that they have the ability to take all of their worst circumstances in reality, ignore the positive ones, and compare them against all of the positive possibilities while ignoring the downsides.

I think men, especially black pill men, would be served to learn that past point. Most women have no idea what they want until it pops up in front of them. That doesn’t mean they have some very general wants that may be true, but the rest is variable as hell and circumstantial.

Gilmoregirlin · 2023-04-03T17:00:02+00:00

Again mixing up sex and access to sex, with being in a relationship, not the same thing!!! This page I swear.

januaryphilosopher · 2023-04-03T15:53:07+00:00

Aren't there other studies claiming there are more single men than women? That suggests that women only label themselves as single when they're truly not seeing anyone, but many men see themselves as single if they have friends with benefits or whatever. Seems like the totally invisible women are doing better even than the with-someone-but-not-totally-committed men.

Mkg102216 · 2023-04-04T02:00:30+00:00

This doesn't seem like a women are happier than men thing, it seems like a single people by choice are happier than single people not by choice.

KirthWGersen · 2023-04-03T15:49:25+00:00

What you say may be true as a general rule, but it is certainly not inevitable.

A man can also arrange his life in such a way that those three things are also true for him.

I have done it, as first naturally, and then I enhanced it with some thought and effort. Some friends of mine have done it. I dare say most men have never tried it, as they are held back by the misguided sense of morality and decency imposed on them by society and passively accepted.

simp_4_a_guy · 2023-04-03T18:08:08+00:00

Women and men value different things in relationships (sexual, short term, long term, etc.). Because of this difference and the shift of society away from women relying on men for their basic needs like food and shelter, they have more freedom to determine what they want out of dating and pursuing a partner.

Single women are "happier" because they get to exercise that choice.

Many men believe they are competing with other men (often the top 10% of men) to get a woman's attention, but really, they're competing against a woman's peace in solitude.

Dating for women is very different than dating as a man and sometimes, when the plethora of options just don't fulfill some of their needs (oftentimes emotional), then many find peace in that sort of solitude within the realm of dating.

despisedlove2 · 2023-04-03T16:46:27+00:00

Very interesting comparison (a wandering wealthy bohemian who pretends to be poor). Apt as well.

CommunicationNo9896 · 2023-04-03T15:18:59+00:00

Some issues to consider here:

Biggest users of antidepressants and anti-anxiety drugs are older women, 2.5 more times than men. This does say anything about relationship status, but as good relationships are net positives to mental health, this suggests that single older women will have less support and feel worse than partnered older women. Source
70% of users of state assisted death (MAID) are women. Source. Women often say they use more antidepressants because they look for medical help more than men, but this suggests they kill themselves anyway!
Women are worse with finances and they have it worse in the older age. They also have huge student debt. Source.

So my unproven theory is this: Men have it worse than women, but since they always had it worse it is not a big deal if it continues or comes back as it, it is just life for men, so they mentally adjust to it. Women, however, are born with a sexual value that make them enjoy huge privileges, but they have little control on this value when it is lost.

KirthWGersen · 2023-04-03T15:37:20+00:00

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NationalistGoy · 2023-04-03T16:12:19+00:00

To put things into perspective: a 'happily single' woman is like that trust fund kid 'finding himself' by traveling the world and living among poors as a 'wandering bohemian'. But unlike the hobos he encounters along the way he is at peace of mind as knows he can step-out of this kind of life at any given time, for the trust fundie that life is a choice, for the poor it's a matter of of reality and circumstance.

Loving this metaphor. It's true.

MyLastBestChance · 2023-04-03T23:36:38+00:00

Once again a man deciding that women value the same things that he would value🙄.

Not sure how many times you have to be told that easy access to sex, in and of itself, isn’t the draw that you think it is.

Women are happier being single than men for a lot of reasons but not because of 1, 2, or 3.

Aromatic_Ad5473 · 2023-04-03T20:32:30+00:00

Happiness isn’t unfettered access to sex. Grow up

raldabos · 2023-04-03T16:14:04+00:00

These is one of those topics that definitely need more analysis. Studies in the past claimed everybody, men and women, were happier in a relationship than single, then feminist became mainstream and that suddenly changed.

Then there's the fact women take more antidepressants than men, but people argue that is due to menopause, however we can't know for sure until we analize de data more in depth.

But bottom line, up until the last decade a lot of studies show people in general was happier in relationships.

Flightlessbirbz · 2023-04-03T21:52:07+00:00

Well first off, that study was debunked. Are single women happier? I’m not sure. I don’t think that FWB type arrangements and situationships are beneficial to most women’s mental health. But then again, a lot of relationships and marriages with men aren’t either, and being alone can be hard for men and women alike. Is anyone happy? I’m not sure.

Individual-Fan8787 · 2023-04-03T22:24:39+00:00

single women are happier than single men simply because they get more sex case closed.

mlo9109 · 2023-04-03T17:15:37+00:00

1-3 doesn't even factor into my satisfaction with singleness as a woman. What does factor in is not having to raise a man baby who can't wipe his own ass at best or being controlled/abused (I was in an abusive relationship before) at worst.

ssnabberz · 2023-04-03T22:26:43+00:00

The problem with your assumptions in the bullet points is you continuously conflate women having access to sexual partners with male romantic loneliness.

They are not the same thing, sexual availability is one thing, and both men and women (arguably easier) have pretty decent access to casual/non romantic sex.

Finding a partner/someone to date romantically is a totally different story.

Men seem to prioritize access to sex, women prioritize access to a romantic partner. Men conflate this sexual ease as women having it easier for both, which is not the case for romantic partners. Women do not prioritize this and generally don’t view this as a perk

YveisGrey · 2023-04-03T18:50:27+00:00

I think this is true but also meaningless to bring up because this distinction is inherent to the nature of sex itself. May as well say "women are happier single because they are women" as to be a woman is automatically to be the sex that has more SMV from the get go. If women have more SMV of course they will be happier single than men because it means men desire women more than vice versa hence why they have more options and it also means it's harder for men to get what they desire so if they are single it's harder for them to change that. It's likely single women are happier than single men for a myriad of reasons one being that is easier for them to sex or romantic interest/attention but there are other factors as well. Single women tend to have more close relationships with friends and family that aren't romantic so they are less lonely even when single. Women also generally desire sex less than men so they probably don't even care if they don't have sex for a while. Generally speaking being a woman in a relationship with a man is more risky than vice versa, married men cheat more, men in general stalk more and kill their partners more than women do. In fact the most likely person to kill a woman is her partner/ex partner. Since relationships are more risky for women I think women have adapted to being happier single whereas for men a relationship with a woman is more likely to be a gain than a loss. I can't imagine how it was in the past when there was less rule of law and men could just r*** their wives and what no and women couldn't leave no matter what. just awful.

come_crawling_faster · 2023-04-04T01:48:29+00:00

This same study also includes women in their elder years which throws off the data compared to younger women

Objective_realiZt · 2023-04-04T20:54:50+00:00

A single man = most often sexless, undesired and struggling with dating

Woman being single doesnt mean she is not getting any. It means she is sampling from a large pool of suitors but few if any commit to more than a bootycall.

RealAmericanWeasel · 2023-04-05T00:59:12+00:00

I don't think the word, "happy," is the best word to use. You can almost never tell who is truly happy or unhappy, even if you ask someone directly. I ignore any survey claiming to measure happiness. I do think you are right that those kinds of surveys aren't talking about the same conditions however.

Longspkdiamond · 2023-04-03T17:59:49+00:00

I think people are happiest single. Relationships are only happy in the honeymoon phase. The rest is constant self-sacrifice and drudgery. If you can learn to be content alone much of the time, foster a few friendships, keep busy with something that you enjoy, and have the simple companionship of a dog or a cat, then you're already doing better than most partnered people.

Personally, I am not like the three examples you listed. Those women still have men in their lives. I'm actually happier without any man, at all.

BigVulvaEnergy · 2023-04-03T17:43:46+00:00

Sure he's cute but is he worth the time and effort if hooking up?
Wrong. Most people don't sleep with their friends.
Yes and they've been blocked accordingly.

Why is women being happy without men misleading?

bakalabalak · 2023-04-04T05:12:52+00:00

I think all that just further proves how much happier women are without dating or marrying men. They can do so at any time, but choose not to because they understand that dating most men absolutely sucks.

Single men are looking for a maid and a mother and expect without giving. They’re lonely and depressed because they spend the days imagining how their perfect gf/wife would treat them and being jealous of so called “chads”.

Single women literally have a higher life expectancy than married ones. Married men have a higher life expectancy than single men because of how much their wives take care of them. Women do the majority of the housework and child rearing while men think simply having a job is 50% of the labor in a relationship. In fact, 40% of mother’s work a full time job.

Married women with children are the most likely to have mental illnesses such as depression and anxiety. The same is true for single men.

It’s pretty obvious that marriage benefits men far more than it does women.

No_Cricket_2824 · 2023-04-03T15:13:42+00:00

Our happiness just isn't predicated on the opposite sex even remotely to the same extent as men. It's that simple, of course it's great having options but most men need women. Whether it's cooking,cleaning,child rearing,hearing their emotions etc. Men are not raised to be independent in our society like women are

beckabunss · 2023-04-04T07:41:03+00:00

It’s work for either gender, men really think that women have the best options to date or have sex while men still beat their partners.

You all really don’t understand the struggle. Women are happier single because men are a fucking chore, and expect us to do everything for them and be happy about it- hence why you see women way past their fertile years choosing to be single. You know- when they are elderly.

Conversely you see men languishing without women to take care of them, because many refuse to form close social ties outside of relationships. Your loneliness is your own problem, no social relationship romantic or otherwise works without some effort from either side.

I’m so sick of these boring early 20s dating takes, just be fucking better and maybe things will improve for you,

Larcie1996 · 2023-04-03T15:19:18+00:00

I don't know I've been single my whole life and I'm incredibly happy

Crafty_Letter_1719 · 2023-04-03T20:44:43+00:00

Financially stable women who are genuinely single and child free by choice are probably the happiest demographic on the planet.

Why wouldn’t they be?

Even an average a woman (with this mindset) is essentially living most mens wildest dreams. Sex on tap with an endless supply of significantly more attractive partners than themselves without the need to ever commit to a single person. Close friends for companionship and emotional needs. Time and money for hobbies and personal pursuits. An endless supply of admirers giving you attention and validation.

The life of an average single child free woman is the equivalent of that of an attractive male celebrity. This is one of the reasons so many average men are so annoyed at average woman. It’s not just that they are invisible to them. It’s that they are actually jealous that they get to live their fantasy life.

The huge caveat though this that there are actually very few woman in the world that are genuinely child free and single by choice. They absolutely exist( and well done to them for winning the lottery) but they are anomalies.

Most woman want children, a family and a committed partner. Most woman’s innate personality traits are directly linked to this fundamental desire. To put it simply; if you are a woman you are very likely to want a committed partner from a biological and evolutionary standpoint. Being single is not a natural and comfortable state for most woman to be in.

Ok_Entrepreneur2931 · 2023-04-03T17:51:56+00:00

Some women may very well be happier without a committed, romantic, relationship, but very few women are voluntarily celibate.

wheezybaby1 · 2023-04-03T19:46:58+00:00

Why is it that you incels insist that you represent the average man. The average man is not invisible and on the brink of suicide just because he’s single lol. That’s a deranged incel loser that represents a small minority of the male population. How can you be such a loser and still so arrogant that you think you represent all men? You losers are mind boggling.

SteveSan82 · 2023-04-04T06:56:09+00:00

Single women over 35 are the most miserable people you’ll ever know

fghr8 · 2023-04-04T09:01:06+00:00

Lol love how women are very clear about being happy when they're single Men: no tf you're not just people you guys aren't happy doesn't mean women aren't either.

LupeDyCazari · 2023-04-03T17:26:50+00:00

Yeah?

My 105 year old great-grandfather knows women can get laid whenever they want. Even back in the Meiji Era, my grandfather and his older brothers knew of chicks who'd go behind their boyfriends and husbands back to screw super hot Samurai.

What is your point, anyway?

That women have it much easier getting laid?

So what, dude?

If y'all are so desperate for pussy, just organize yourself and lobby with your senators or some shit to legalize professional paid prostitution.

I got myself a girlfriend and a mistress, and I've fucked three hundred women, and I'm working real hard to be able to reach a N-count of a thousand women before I die, hopefully, as a very old man.

You think I could've gotten this far despite being ''only'' in my thirties if I was just going with the flow, aka getting with women I meet in nightclubs and bars and what not?

I don't get it.

The average man is not nearly invisible to women.

The average red piller and the average black piller is, but that is because the average red piller is very much, very below average in terms of physical looks and social skills, and the average black piller is severely mentally ill, but most guys out there even in the USA where being average means being severely overweight to obese - most guys are still doing fine enough.

What is with this defeatism that is so ingrained in the red pill community?

You guys are like 18-25 so fucking young. If y'all already this depressed when guys are barely need to shave their faces yet; what's gonna happen when these kids are in their 30s and with a job and with a mortgage to pay off?

Come on, bro.

Go visit a prostitute sometime.

You'll feel real good when you get to empty your balls inside an attractive 21 year old woman.

Granted, you gotta wear a condom, but unless you want to spend 18 years paying child-support; you gotta do that shit even with a girlfriend.

I once had ten high-end escorts, each one of them over a thousand dollars a night, fuck me at the same time. And we were up to so much kinky shit the Holy Church would blush if it got to hear about it.

Do you honestly believe having a girlfriend can compare to what I experienced at the age of 18? That shit got me hooked on prostitutes for life looooooooool.

Honestly, guys should only get a girlfriend if they want to live with someone, since you guys need to sell a kidney to be able to live on your own without your parents or without roomates. Other than that.. girlfriends are fucking overated.

Can you believe you actually have to pretend to give a shit about your woman for her to want to stay in a romantic relationship with you?

And pretending to care about someone is extremely emotionally laborous.

And no, I'm not rich. I just use the money that my family sends me and the money that my girlfriend and mistress and friends give me to fuck as many high-end prostitutes as my cock can handle, and bro.

Can my Katana handle a lot of them.

Electrical_Coat_8714 · 2023-04-03T16:15:20+00:00

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Blaphrodite · 2023-04-04T08:21:13+00:00

Except most women do not like or enjoy the FWB situation and have other options to deal with any “ itch” that does not involve lies, deception, or feeling used for sex, or the emotional attachment some women form with it.

Women who treat sex like men do of course, have selection of men to bed at will.

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Marzipan-Happy · 2023-04-03T16:23:10+00:00

I'd be pretty miserable sing I think. And very bored. Any time my husband takes the kids on a mini vacation I have like... two days of "yay!!!!" And then I'm very sad, and lonely, and bored. The only thing that does not get old is staying in bed with tea and books.

screen_silver · 2023-04-03T16:51:02+00:00

Even if women were more happy single than married, you can argue that women don’t know what they want and are poor at selecting the correct man.

Nihi1986 · 2023-04-03T19:03:55+00:00

Not the same kind of loneliness usually and 'single' definitely doesn't mean the same for everyone. I don't know if truly single and lonely women are unhappier than women in low quality relationships, though.

Infinite_Seer · 2023-04-04T01:57:25+00:00

Just go and visit the Forever Alone Women sub if you want to see how women behave and think when they're actually "single"

New_Hat8820 · 2023-04-04T03:17:42+00:00

It’s crazy how females think that having many sexual options is the same struggle as having no sexual options.

Privilege is invisible to those who have it!

MorganSeer · 2023-04-04T04:02:20+00:00

Basically, you have explained why women are happier single than men.

Soggy_Head_4889 · 2023-04-04T06:51:45+00:00

There was a misleading study that came out a few years ago that the internet ran with where some academic misinterpreted a set of data and incorrectly concluded that women were happier single than married. While I think it's true that single women are probably on average happier being single than men, the research has shown that both married women and men are happier overall than single people.

Zombombaby · 2023-04-04T16:06:52+00:00

Weird how single women not wanting men to interfere with their happiness is somehow harmful to men. Maybe work on yourselves and start actually adding value to women's lives and you wouldn't be single?

freespirit1963TJ · 2023-04-04T21:07:07+00:00

Why is there so much fantasy on this sub. Many of the posts make broad statements that aren't close to reality.

RocinanteCoffee · 2023-04-06T10:22:41+00:00

The link to the article only has a dead link for the study, which was done through Mintel.com which does market research for businesses but isn't a scientific or academic organization but I would agree that many women can hook up with a guy (maybe not a cute guy but a guy), the same way most men can get a hookup with someone on Grindr easily even if they're not attracted to them.

Women know they could probably get a fwb arrangement with one of their guy friends if their 'dry spell' becomes unbearable

It's not so easy. A lot of women's male friends are already in relationships or compatible for friendships but not sexually. Not every man is going to agree to a one night stand with a friend. Not all friends are even attracted to one another.

Women know there are men out there (exes, simps, silent admirers) who will be trying to get 'in contact' with them

If they had wanted to spend a night with them they wouldn't be their ex and they would have reached out already to these silent admirers. But sometimes "silent admirers" are just stalkers and most people don't want a stalker.

It's true that some do.

When the average guy refers to himself as single, what they usually mean is almost total romantic invisibility and loneliness

In the US at least 57% of people who are single are intentionally single/single by choice and not looking. 63% of single men in the US under 35 who are single are electively single.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/

Keep in mind, some men (and women) who identify as single are still going on individual dates, still having sex (more than 70% of men in the US are regularly having sex).

Title	Studies saying women are "happier single" than men are extremely misleading
Author	Johnny_Autism
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Date	April 3, 2023 2:43 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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