Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women?

EulenWatcher · 2023-04-20T14:06:18+00:00

Several reasons:

Children are expensive and women generally lose their ability to make money for some period of time due to pregnancy, giving birth and recovering. If things go badly, she might be out of the workforce for months.
When you live together, you have to match each other lifestyles and it's easier to do with similar incomes. If your partner makes far less, you'll have to either spend more on both of you or downgrade to meet their income.
Some women are traditional and/or want to be SAHMs.
Cultural norms take far more time to catch up with changes in a society.

Personally I make more than my husband, but we met as broke students so there was no lifestyle adjustment, we had evenly shitty income. Nowadays I don't mind bringing in more cash, as he's a great partner and husband. Considering the recent stats I'd guess in the future there will be more and more couples like this.

AnyIntroduction3288 · 2023-04-20T14:33:14+00:00

When I check Zillow for my geographic area, rent is easily over $2,500 for a studio apartment. For a 2-bedroom it’s easily $3,500. Unless you’re willing to live in gunshot land. A house goes for over $4,000 a month, usually around $5,000 a month.

We need two incomes or a high income earner just to survive.

BigZaddyZ3 · 2023-04-20T14:03:26+00:00

You can’t just hand-wave several thousand (or even millions in some cases) years of evolutionary instinct away overnight my friend…

Creation_Soul · 2023-04-20T14:05:12+00:00

Most people marry people with similar income, so it's not like requirements for higher income are unrealistic. you average women won't hold out relationships and/or marriage in hopes of catching a man with a top 10% income.

And for women who still want a man with a higher income, what still works for men is that women still marry somewhat older men. Me and my wife have been together for 11 years now and married for 5, work in the same field, but for 9 years of I had a higher income just because I was further along in my career (I am 2 years older than my wife), not because I was better. At this point in time we pretty much make about the same (I have better base salary, but she has better bonuses).

toasterchild · 2023-04-20T14:16:10+00:00

Because everybody needs a partner who has their back. My husband and i don't share finances as a rule but if either of us get laid off we will have to live off one income for some time, possibly years. I would like to be able to do that without losing my house etc.

Flightlessbirbz · 2023-04-20T15:07:39+00:00

Mainly because children are expensive, and someone (almost always the mom) is going to have to lose income to care for them at least for a while. If a man’s income is too low to support the family during that time, that will turn away women who want kids. Women who don’t want kids tend to be career-focused and would like a man who is on the same page.

Overall I’d say a man’s income matters a bit less these days than it used to. But it will always matter, and men really should care about a woman’s income too if they don’t want to have to pay for everything or are worried about losing money in a divorce. That’s something I’ve never quite been able to understand… men are supposedly terrified of getting screwed in a divorce, but turn around and say “I can’t fuck your career.” No, but her not having one can fuck you!

Novadina · 2023-04-20T15:28:08+00:00

If you yourself are able to provide for yourself and make your own money, why do you still need a man who makes as much or more money than you?

So he is able to provide for himself as well? So things like houses and children can be afforded?

Hard_Corsair · 2023-04-20T14:39:23+00:00

Your career isn't just a way to access and provide resources, it's a way that men compete with other men.

Coolio_Street_Racer · 2023-04-20T19:18:30+00:00

Woman: "WhY ArE MeN InSeCuRe aBoUt hOw tHeY MaKe "

Also Woman: "I WaNt a mAn wHo mAkEs aS MuCh oR MoRe tHaN Me"

We are insecure because you judge us on it you fucking idiot. If you didn't care we wouldn't care. Da fuq

onirroc · 2023-04-20T13:50:41+00:00

One decent income still isn't great for raising a family, traveling, etc. They want a man to help them reach the lifestyle they want.

BigVulvaEnergy · 2023-04-20T19:34:54+00:00

Tell me you've never paid rent without telling me you've never paid rent.

gofigure62 · 2023-04-20T14:01:39+00:00

Because we live in a society that costs money to live. If someone is entering into a relationship where they are going to share the cost of living, the income of the other party is important. Since they will increase the cost of living.

An extra body means more food, more utilities, more space, and more than likely children. Which means that most people require two incomes to support the needs of two adults sharing a life together.

I don't understand how it's possible for anyone living in the modern era to not understand that money is a necessity in human society.

No one can pay their mortgage on positive vibes and personality.

NakedStreets · 2023-04-20T14:04:15+00:00

Most men still aren’t great at non-work tasks. It’s one thing to have a spouse who works less, but excels at household management, cooking, childcare, cleaning, etc. It’s another thing to have a spouse who works less, but doesn’t do more at home.

Most women also want to give birth, which impacts their career advancement, even if they don’t plan to take much time off.

relish5k · 2023-04-20T16:34:19+00:00

It matters if a woman plans on having children. Pregnancy, childbirth, nursing and taking care of young kids typically has a negative impact on a woman’s earning potential - cause she has other shit to do. It is a time of vulnerability, and women want to know that they will stay financially secure throughout it.

Countess_Leo · 2023-04-20T17:05:43+00:00

Because if I wanted to be a single mom, I’d just go to the sperm bank and skip the whole relationship altogether… are we seriously asking this question???

v1cgt · 2023-04-20T17:20:35+00:00

Biology

SteveSan82 · 2023-04-20T22:37:46+00:00

Women did work. It’s a myth that they didn’t.

Women by nature want resources from men. So even if she is rich she still wants a guy making more than her.

KirthWGersen · 2023-04-20T13:53:30+00:00

It is hard to break an age-old habit. Women can't help being attracted to traits they are attracted to.

But nowadays, many women don't really care that much about it, provided the man can pay his own way and she does not want to have kids.

MyLastBestChance · 2023-04-20T14:03:11+00:00

Perhaps because we want a partner, not a dependent?🤔

Listen-Natural · 2023-04-20T13:59:06+00:00

Because hypergamy

No-You7911 · 2023-04-20T13:59:35+00:00

Social media and the direction out society has taken.

Women are being taught from an early age "they are the prize, never settle" instead of, we are all equal, find someone your compatible with.

Between Disney, Hollywood and the greeting card companies, women gave adopted very unrealistic expectations from relationships that even goe himself can't provide.

abaxeron · 2023-04-20T15:28:27+00:00

Women's "financial independence" from men is largely a myth; many of the jobs done by women are in government-controlled sectors (i.e. shielded from most real forms of market competition and rewarding loyalty above competence), and even if a woman truly has put her diploma to good use and landed a well-paying position in a commercial sector, she usually got there acquiring more debt than her male counterpart. Add on top such things provided by the state as school, and simple math shows that keeping this many women employed is a net drain.

But, it makes divorces easier, which women keep reminding us of, so there's that.

I often repost these illustrations to... well, illustrate a point:

https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2020/september/taking-closer-look-marital-status-earnings-gap

https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/second-quarter-2019/earnings-gap-marital-status-race-gender

https://www.stlouisfed.org/-/media/project/frbstl/stlouisfed/blog/2020/september/blogimage_marriedpaygap_092120_fig1.jpg

https://www.stlouisfed.org/-/media/project/frbstl/stlouisfed/blog/2020/september/blogimage_marriedpaygap_092120_fig3.jpg

https://www.stlouisfed.org/-/media/project/frbstl/stlouisfed/publications/regional-economist/2019/second-quarter/wagegap_fig2.jpg

https://www.stlouisfed.org/-/media/project/frbstl/stlouisfed/publications/regional-economist/2019/second-quarter/wagegap_fig3.jpg

As an important addition, in twenty-three percent of post-college pre-retirement US marriages, wife has no wage income (versus 6% for husbands):

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/st_2023-04-13_breadwinner-wives_02/

Unlike the first set of graphs, this one includes people who are remarried. With exception of slow bleeding from "husband primary provider" to "egalitarian", as you can see, virtually all other numbers stayed within background noise for the last thirty years.

The thing about work is... it actually sucks. So, it's a good litmus test showing that whoever has more opportunity not to waste half of their non-sleeping life earning, usually has more leverage in the relationship.

oneblackcoffeeplease · 2023-04-20T15:15:58+00:00

Bc it was always more about status than actual income

FutureBannedAccount2 · 2023-04-20T16:30:21+00:00

It wouldn't make sense to reject a cultural norm that benefits you.

FancyComfortable4678 · 2023-04-20T16:31:36+00:00

They can get away with it. If I had my pick of a hundred partners I might prefer a well paid one as well.

daddysgotanew · 2023-04-20T17:17:33+00:00

Hypergamy. They want someone better than them. It’s hardwired in. They make 80K they want a man making 150K+ and better looking and so on….

wtknight · 2023-04-20T17:51:03+00:00

A woman’s offspring will do better in life if she is making 100k and he is making 150k than if she is making 100k and he is only making 50k. A 100k income is enough to raise a child in much of the US, but why raise her child with only 150k when she could be raising that child with 250k. The latter will get that kid into the best private schools.

Mr_Makak · 2023-04-20T14:12:57+00:00

Cultural inertia. The same reason we say "bless you" at people sneezing and do a ton of other useless shit that used to have actual reasons for it

Pathosgrim · 2023-04-20T14:19:30+00:00

Most are unable to reciprocate the concept of "equality"
Hypergamy (Yet they deny it exists)
They want to keep up with the Joneses seen on social media and society in general
They are paradoxical

KayRay1994 · 2023-04-20T14:23:48+00:00

most times nowadays what most women ask for is someone to match their financial standing, or for a guy to simply be able to support himself financially. Some women do indeed want a man who makes more, but they’re deceasing in numbers.

That being said, women haven’t been socially told (and perhaps to some extent biologically) to provide, a man has always been expected to do so, as such, the woman’s economic standing hardly mattered outside of general class (although this has changed through time as well), because she was expected to be provided for.

Soloandthewookiee · 2023-04-20T14:39:47+00:00

Because a) ambition and success are attractive and b) a lot of people don't want to marry a dependent. I'm a guy and I still sought professional, career women because it's attractive and because it's one less thing to worry about in a relationship.

On top of that, 3 of my last 4 girlfriends, including my now wife, all made more money than me. It wasn't a big deal because I had a stable career and they knew I wasn't going to be chronically relying on them for money.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2023-04-20T13:56:55+00:00

Try to get a mortgage with one income in a major city or nonce suburb. I mean it go ahead and try to get a pre approval and then price out what you can get on Zillow. Look at the estimated monthly payments and then think “would this be easier with one income or two” or “could I afforded a better home with two incomes”

If you can. Cool, you are in the market for real property. How many people you think can really do that tho?

ROBYoutube · 2023-04-20T14:13:09+00:00

What are you even talking about? Women like it when a guy has his life in order and their own money. They don't demand shit.

tritter211 · 2023-04-20T14:20:40+00:00

Women’s sexuality is fundamentally primal. Their "ideal" dating partner in their peak fertility period are bad boys, abusive men, violent men, unstable men, bullies, men who are experts at manipulating, etc.

Women’s sexual instincts were shaped for survival in our dark past and haven’t evolved since then. You can't undo all that massive centuries old baggage by a few decades of "equality" that we have today (its not real equality hence quotes)

DrinkItInMan11 · 2023-04-20T14:49:57+00:00

Because as a man you still have to be self sufficient and be able to provide for yourself but also contribute to your family.

Just because women make money it doesn't mean they're going to go for men who either don't make money or barely make any money, it's not a good deal for anybody.

Yupperdoodledoo · 2023-04-20T15:54:52+00:00

Because we want an equal who carries their weight. If a woman marries or even dates a man who makes less than her than her standard of living is lowered since she’s covering what he can’t.

BigVulvaEnergy · 2023-04-20T16:28:45+00:00

Because you need 2 incomes....

How is this a real question?

Redditcritic6666 · 2023-04-20T16:03:18+00:00

We now live in an era where everyone works and make their own money... which means we are all corporate wage slave... it is important for all genders to consider their mate's money/career. From the male side you don't want to marry into a women saddled with student debt, credit card loan, and basically a gold digger. Alternative if the women wants to be a stay at home mom, she better brings something to the marriage that'll contribute to the household. The biggest problem here is that modern feminist doesn't believe that childrearing and maintaining a household is empowering enough, or that when a women chooses to be a stay at home mom, they are victims of the patriachy and should instead work for their corporate overlord instead where they claim the patriachy exist at the corporate level.

AssOfTheSameOldMule · 2023-04-20T16:30:58+00:00

That’s like asking why men find women in their 20s so desirable, since IVF now enables women to safely have babies well into their 40s. Ancient biological imperatives can’t keep up with every shift in the modern world.

Thekurdishprince · 2023-04-20T17:20:15+00:00

Hypergamy and evolution. There is only so much you can socially engineer out or into people.

beyoncestan23 · 2023-04-20T21:06:58+00:00

Well I made a post on how I’m a high Earner and still want another high earner and got a lot a lot of backlash , here are my reasons:

two high paychecks are better than one. If my household networth can be 400k- 2 million instead of 275k I’m going for the first.
I’m materialistic. I want to have nice things, go to great restaurants, travel etc
I want kids and I want to pay for their college, private school, vacations etc
in my experience it never ends well. Ppl can lie online but of the few women I know who out earn their partners aren’t happy. The men have ego issues and carry a lot of weirdness
women having more money than their partners actually increases chances of abuse. Men really get threatened and women have even more housework than if they didn’t do that. Men who don’t work have even more housework.
I come from a patriarchal country. Honestly I’ll feel a leve of shame and bitterness if I was surrounded by spoiled wives but I wasn’t receiving that treatment.

Lastly. It’s what I want. A lot of dating questions get backlash but to me it’s crazy. It’s the most important part of a life abs you are choosing your entire bloodline. I want an amazing life with great opportunities. I’m allowed to say I want a man on a certain salary. Men are allowed to say their preferences, everyone is. If I give birth to kids, lose my body, lose career progression etc , I’m not doing that for a man who isn’t taking care of me. I grew up seeing politicians spoil their wives with new cars and seeing women who don’t work but we’re well taken care of. If I can work and have a great career, there’s no reason a man who has had such a head start for most of history not be able to !

IntelTone3 · 2023-04-21T01:45:59+00:00

It's not.

a LOT of women recently I know want to be single.

Only reason is cohabiting to reduce living costs.maybe

Dstar538888 · 2023-04-21T07:15:59+00:00

Because we’re not attracted to bums… this should be common sense…

Jack-of-All-Mistakes · 2023-04-20T14:45:33+00:00

Because a man's money is "their plural" money.

A woman's money is HER money.

PresidenteWeevil · 2023-04-20T14:07:00+00:00

Because her money is her money, and his money are family money.

killjumpsteady · 2023-04-20T14:46:22+00:00

My theory is because of the way women are raised its embedded in their mind off the rip by their parents and society in all kinds of ways. Parents mainly fathers when they have that “daddys girl” style of raising treat her like a princess spoil her give her everything she asks for never punish her etc thats gonna create a sense of dependence possibly lower her ambition and its what she will expect from men in the future.

Also the “its a mans job” style of raising as well women dont take out the trash carry bags even the light stuff like that creates a sense of dependence as well, showing her its a mans job to do something she’s completely capable of doesnt teach her how to be her own independent person. Men on the opposite hand from these experiences are taught that they are the workers/providers so they dont ever expect or want it from women

eleventwenty2 · 2023-04-20T16:02:09+00:00

It shows competence and partnership. Nobody wants to be with someone who is a burden to them, especially not in this economy. Single income sustainability long gone. Economy and war drives social change almost every time.

Conscious_Ad_6572 · 2023-04-20T14:09:14+00:00

Cause woman like advantage and delusion

CommunicationNo9896 · 2023-04-20T13:56:50+00:00

Make no mistake. Many of these women are in deep debt from useless degrees, and they are terrible with money. Men have to learn the hard way to be good with money, but women often are cared by father and family up until marriage, so usually their independence is not genuine.

Why is not women's career important to men? Because men know women are often not sharing that money with them anyway.

Women often see men as money cows, basically they practice low key prostitution. They want to use their man to cause envy to female friends. That is why they want a rich guy, even if he has options and treats them as fleshlights.

modidlee · 2023-04-20T15:32:51+00:00

Because they really don't want to have to work. If they wake up tomorrow feeling fed up with their job they want to know they have someone who can pay the bills while they're not working.

AstronautLoveShack · 2023-04-20T16:02:30+00:00

Providing a good life for children, if you are inclined to have them.

Knowing that I will not be supporting a deadbeat who wants to smoke weed and play video games while I do everything.

RedBullPittsburgh · 2023-04-20T16:43:47+00:00

lol feminist's self destructing in here with their mental gymnastics based on OPs question lmao

Clementinequeen95 · 2023-04-20T14:09:39+00:00

Cost of living is insane right now. It’s a lot better to have two people in relationships making money than just one.

Safinated · 2023-04-20T14:44:35+00:00

Kids, costs/risks and status

januaryphilosopher · 2023-04-20T15:12:38+00:00

The finances in your household are important to everyone in it. If you're combining them in any way, it makes no sense to not care about what your partner makes and care what you make. Women tend to be more practical on such matters and willing to admit they care about their household income. (Even someone like me who'll support a partner making zero still, like, cares. I'm not indifferent to how the numbers add up.)

Professional-You1235 · 2023-04-23T00:23:20+00:00

Same we reason we like boobs. I mean they’re two useless lumps of fat, what the heck do we care? Just nature I guess, what can ya do. Chicks are drawn to providers like we are to boobs

Ohmaygahh · 2023-04-20T14:24:36+00:00

It's so important to women because women are insatiable... there is nothing in reality that can fill the void in their empty souls.

Not the biggest cock on the planet, not being richer than Bezos, Musk, and Gates combined, women have a black hole inside them so large I fear there isn't anything in the universe that can fill it.

They are eternally unhappy until moments before they die. Only then does it appear that the surrendering to death brings them peace.

justinlav · 2023-04-20T14:13:22+00:00

Because they want even more money to spend

Capybara_88 · 2023-04-20T13:59:54+00:00

Most of them are either bad with the money they have or they want even more status.

_Ad_Astra_Abyssosque · 2023-04-20T17:03:06+00:00

Because women want Chad. They want their cake and to eat it too.

SecondEldenLord · 2023-04-20T21:57:48+00:00

Strictly bilogical reasons and sometimes shallow reasons. If a woman is succesful, she has a more luxurious lifestyle and once she gets marries, she wants to be able to maintain it or even better, have her husband maintain her lifestyle.

Diamond-Breath · 2023-04-20T16:21:27+00:00

Because I would lose respect for a man that doesn't do his best to be successful and have the means to provide for his family. Women already do so much with pregnancy, birth, child-rearing, household chores on top of having a career (even without one they provide so much), so the least that a man can do is bring financial resources to the table.

HobbitShaker88 · 2023-04-20T16:59:48+00:00

Well its not as important as you think...did you know 1/3rd of American marriages the woman makes more money/is the breadwinner?

I think nowadays due to the cost of living and just general prices (UGH inflation), couples care about getting to a certain level where they can live comfortably...its not like people have a set standard where they state "my partner must make *insert salary*" its more "how much do we each need to make to get to this *lifestyle level* and what are our job prospects for reaching that level?" And before you say it, I dont agree its always the woman wanting a higher lifestyle, men do this too.

I probably have a more progressive circle than people in this forum... but in my close friends circle of 12 other couples I regularly see and talk to...the only examples of dramatic income differences are women who took off work for a few years or reduced to part time for a few years whilst having young children (before they go to school, ages 0-4 or 5) That is simply due to the cost of childcare and demands of small children. For one of the couples, the MAN reduced his hours. Not a single couple during dating/engagement/earlier marriage with no kids had a dramatic income difference. We are all middle class. This is normal. Most couples are in the same socioeconomic status.

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RRBeachFG2 · 2023-04-20T15:39:57+00:00

Most women out earn men, the pendulum is swinging back though

DoinIt989 · 2023-04-20T17:21:26+00:00

It's not. Women don't care about a man's career.

AreOut · 2023-04-20T14:09:26+00:00

it depends on where the girl is from, I dated a Russian millionaire girl that still expected me to pay for basically everything and I dated a regular Dutch girl that wanted to split everything even if it was fucking 2 euros

sex with the Russian girl tho...it was worth it

WilliamWyattD · 2023-04-20T16:31:47+00:00

The asymmetry between the genders' concern about the status and resources of their partners is primarily due to evolved instincts that do not change quickly. Of course, despite cultural change, the culture itself still has aspects that supported these evolved instincts. Further down the line of importance, but still a thing, the reproductive asymmetries that presumably led to female resource hypergamy evolving in the first place still exist, if greatly watered down in import.

Wld_N_frE · 2023-04-20T18:02:51+00:00

Alimony should not exist at this point. All about equal until we start talking $

MrsKetchup · 2023-04-20T18:05:08+00:00

Because I want to have a good life together with my husband. I want to take care of our home, cook meals together, take care of my elderly parents, visit family, go on trips and see the world together, raise a family. Don't have groceries to cook or a home to take care of if we can't pay for them.

Society doesn't work on bartering and requires fiat for all of those things, and the current financial climate means dual income is more effective. That's why it's important.

shadowofdoubt13 · 2023-04-20T18:15:17+00:00

Biology doesn’t die because of societal constructs

3RADICATE_THEM · 2023-04-20T18:17:16+00:00

Throughout our evolutionary history, men were primarily assessed by their propensity to acquire and provide resources. This is something that is internally ingrained in women's subconscious whether they want to admit it or not.

Though the power of wealth has lost a lot of its influence over the past few decades in terms of a man's overall attractiveness, it's still a very relevant factor. For example, this study:

Females are four times more sensitive than males to economic status cues when rating opposite sex attractiveness, indicating that higher economic status can offset lower physical attractiveness in men much more easily than in women.

Larcie1996 · 2023-04-20T18:32:29+00:00

It isn't for me and probably many other woman, but tough luck.

slavicslothe · 2023-04-20T18:33:13+00:00

Trad women care.

macheagle · 2023-04-20T18:43:35+00:00

Women can* work and make their own money, but the fact is many prefer to not have to, especially as they age and their biological clock makes them want to explore having children and nurture a family. When that happens, inevitably having a provider makes sense. Subconsciously through evolution, women are hardwired to bear children and nurture them, and men are hardwired to protect and provide for them.

hiddendance · 2023-04-20T19:22:43+00:00

Despite all the independent nonsense biology still wins at the end of the day

RocinanteCoffee · 2023-04-20T22:49:21+00:00

It's not.

Most women (US) date men who are one missed paycheck away from homelessness (and vice versa).

Are there some women out there who want someone who can compete with them financially, sure.

But most people (US) are poor or struggling. Yet most still have sex, dates, and relationships with people they are attracted to (at least at the beginning of the relationship/marriage).

yanquideportado · 2023-04-20T23:22:54+00:00

Because when women entered the workplace the price for everything went up, mostly housing of course.

Samwell974 · 2023-04-20T23:26:25+00:00

Because it just is.

bootyhunter69420 · 2023-04-20T23:32:19+00:00

Status

Polyhydroxybutyrate · 2023-04-20T23:33:15+00:00

For the same reason a woman’s money/career is important to me. I need a partner who is able to do their part in supporting us, and someone who finds value in having a good career and being at least somewhat financially smart.

Relative_Bee8356 · 2023-04-20T23:43:59+00:00

If you're eventually going to share finances then your combined earnings are going to have a huge effect on your lifestyle together. If your partner makes very little you are going to have to downgrade your lifestyle to at least some extent.

It's popular to say that men don't care about women's careers . For one thing, this isn't entirely true. For another, unless you plan to support a SAHM and make enough money to do that, you should care and you're kinda dumb if you don't.

begayallday · 2023-04-20T23:55:33+00:00

Because we don’t want to wind up in a situation where our partner is staying simply because they can’t afford to leave. It’s not a great dynamic to have. I’ve never had any strict rules about my partners earning the same or more than me, I just want them to be self supporting (or at least financially capable of being self supporting) prior to us moving in together.

metakepone · 2023-04-20T23:59:50+00:00

Because we (men) are status symbols

Electronic-Poet-1328 · 2023-04-21T01:03:21+00:00

I don't want to have to worry about going back to work as soon as possible after having a child. The first few years of a child's life are important and I want to be able to be there for them without worrying about finances. Also, I just don't want to have to constantly worry about finances in general. I don't need my partner to be a millionaire, just have a decent enough job and income to live comfortably. I still want to work but I want us to both earn enough where were financially stable and when we have kids it's not an issue if I work part-time for the first few years of their life.

social_mule · 2023-04-21T01:49:14+00:00

Because in most instances it takes two incomes to raise a family.

bizk55 · 2023-04-21T04:12:00+00:00

because women view their man as an an extension of themselves, so it's an important determinant to some women that you make as much or more than her. if not, then that reflects badly on her and her ability to get a quality partner.

rootsnyder · 2023-04-21T05:08:14+00:00

We've lived in that era for 50+ years now.

There's more of a reason for women to need men financially then the 80's 90's and 2000/2010s. Because of how stagnant the wages are and how high inflation has become. PPD femcels have perpetuated this myth to help them come to their own fake idea on why the dating market has become stagnant that fits with their feminist ideals of women out performing men and becoming independent from men. The reality is very different. Women are more in a situation to need men then ever, you simply cannot survive in society with the average woman's market consumption and the average women's wages.

Billsandasonom · 2023-04-21T07:12:43+00:00

Women will always desire men who are more successful and accomplished relative to where they are, that's why it's hurting men's chances in dating as women have become more educated and making equally or more money than men. Hence the trope of college educated women with bullshit degrees refusing to date blue-collar men or men less educated, even though a lot of it is illusionary. Modern society is great at ignoring the inherent biological predilections in men and women and likes to pretend we are all the same leaving it all up to socialization.

Cupcakelover1985 · 2023-04-21T08:26:26+00:00

That’s largely dependent on whether or not the couple wants bio kids. When kids aren’t and will never be involved the man’s income is less important.

For couples that want kids the man’s income is measured greatly if they live in a country with little to no parental leave. Since, quiet as it’s kept, most women don’t want to have to choose between financially security and a peaceful/relaxing pregnancy & post partum period. Women who have no choice will accept the raw deal and take it on the chin, women who do have a choice will be picky. If you’re the breadwinner and you get pregnant by a man who doesn’t make much that’s the reality of your situation if you get pregnant by him. You’ll have to either:

-Sacrifice your lifestyle and live on what he can afford during later stages of pregnancy and post partum -Sacrifice your lifestyle and live off whatever savings you have. Whether that means what you saved yourself as woman or what you saved together as a couple -Sacrifice peace and time with the baby by working right up until you give birth and then going back to work almost immediately after

None of those are desirable options women choose when they have the option to avoid it. They’re realities they begrudgingly accept when there’s no other options.

For child free women who plan to remain that way they’re less likely to judge a man’s income but sometimes will due to past bad experiences. Even with doing 50/50 or her being the breadwinner there can still be resentment from either the man or the woman in that relationship.

For example: If she can afford to go on 4 expensive vacations a year but he can only afford to go on one cheap vacation every two years things can get messy. She can split one cheap vacation every 2 years with him but then continue to go on her other 3 a year. This may result in envy or resentment from him that she’s splurging so much on herself while he struggles.

Or if they stick to just splitting the one cheap one he can afford she may be resentful that her life is less fun and full than before they started dating.

Or if she pays the whole bill depending on his upbringing he may be embarrassed by this or she may be resentful that she has to revise her budget to now pay for 2 people to vacation instead of 1.

Boxisteph · 2023-04-21T11:13:59+00:00

Men are a burden to women. If he's not offering something to counter balance the burden the relationship won't last.

The easiest way for men to offer something is money but there are many more areas.

_corpus_callosum · 2023-04-21T12:37:19+00:00

I can’t speak for everyone, but here’s my view:

The career a person has says a lot about that person. I don’t need a man for any of the things you mentioned and I make six figures a year. But there are few jobs making less than $80k that tell me the man is educated and responsible.

So it’s not his job or income I care about so much as his education and sense of responsibility, his values. These things often correlate, though. I’d rather have a guy with a doctorate who can teach kids to be educated than one with no education even if he made more money. But how many people with a good doctorate don’t make more than $80k? See my point?

Neat_Coyote_8187 · 2023-04-21T19:27:02+00:00

Because humans are inherently lazy regardless of gender.

Safe-Pumpkin-Spice · 2023-04-21T22:21:02+00:00

A man having a good job was important for most of human history when women couldn't work and needed a man to provide and take care of them. But, we live in an era where men and women have equal economic opportunity, and the statistics show that women make up the majority of college graduates, and a lot of them work high-paying jobs.

It's great that women are doing so well, but why are they still so demanding about a man's finances and career? If you yourself are able to provide for yourself and make your own money, why do you still need a man who makes as much or more money than you?

we are all animals.

and our animal brain still reinforces the precise male female stereotype that society pretends no longer applies.

Ohms2North · 2023-04-21T23:08:19+00:00

It’s a simple numerical indicator of his success and status that she can use to compare with her friends’ partners

KamuiObito · 2023-04-22T00:53:49+00:00

Because they lil sister asl and choice to be the child im the relationship …

Title	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women?
Author	Glass_Bucket
Upvotes	150
Comments	403
Date	April 20, 2023 1:48 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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