There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later.

leosandlattes · 2025-01-12T17:27:14+00:00

Do not argue about looks in this thread, as per rule 8 on relegated topics.

Alwaysnthered · 2025-01-12T19:42:39+00:00

lol the ole’ “maYBE if you HAd sTyLe and HoBBies gILrs would akCtually LiKe you”

Yeah that’s why I see 6 foot 2 white men whose only hobbies are watching sports and playing computer games stroll into a bar with a backwards cap, basketball shorts, a college t shirt and dirty sneakers and who constantly get hook ups from women.

Buncha BS. Especially for hookups.

No-Rough-7390 · 2025-01-12T15:52:36+00:00

One thing OP did get me thinking about is for the number of women I know that have been in a lot of failed relationships, they never seem to cultivate any relationship skills. You’d think at some point some stuff would begin to stick.

Parking-Coast-1385 · 2025-01-12T16:34:12+00:00

Because people here arguing about hobbies I will share this (probably) hot take with you all:

Most people who are good with the other gender (it doesn't matter if relationships, hook ups or other things) are boring and don't have any interesting things in their lifes. Don't get me wrong, I include myself. I'm boring. But that's okay. It's a stable life and I guess my gf values this much more as anything else. But please don't pretend all the guys and women which have a rich social life aka going from a relationship to the next after a few weeks/months are all interesting and have cool hobbies. They look good, can talk and aren't creeps. But about hobbies? Lifting weights (like me and my gf) and social media. That's all.

DelDivision · 2025-01-13T00:49:44+00:00

This is true. I had roommates who did nothing but stay in the house and game all day yet had no issues getting women. This whole get a bunch of hobbies is just a cope, its great to assist in a a ltr, but it won't help if you can't get to first base.

rustlerhuskyjeans · 2025-01-12T16:02:12+00:00

Most guys are never going to be good with hookups and dating. Women have a high bar for that, even an ugly woman won’t randomly hookup with a guy who’s not desirable in some way. The majority of guys have to meet women organically and not participate in dating hookup culture where desirable men are.

Some women are just going to keep trying with men out of their league. They’d rather be single than admit to themselves the level of guy that wants them exclusively.

ta06012022 · 2025-01-12T17:31:42+00:00

if you’re a woman and you consistently find yourself in situationships, it’s More than likely that MOST men don’t see you as relationships material but only as a sexual option.

This one actually applies to both genders. In college I found it a lot easier to find girls who wanted hookups/casual vs. relationships. As a result, I ended up in a lot of poorly defined situations where maybe the girl would text me to come over when she was drunk but not really interact with me otherwise, or some sort of fwb arrangement.

Now that I'm in my mid-20s, I find that women my age are much more likely to be seeking a relationship, so it's sort of dependent on things like age and setting.

BrightAutumn12 · 2025-01-12T16:50:20+00:00

I'm fed up with blue pillers not accepting it's just harder for men out there. Looks like they will commit some mass genocide by accepting this fact.

And obviously the same old hobby stuff. The stuff that'll never help you get laid.

Neptune-Jnr · 2025-01-12T16:02:36+00:00

I don't see how hobbies would mean you struggle with hookups. I can understand relationships since you are getting to know the person. But how would lack of hobbies stop you from hooking up when the whole point is that you both just want sex and don't really care deeply about the others personality.

TopShelfSnipes · 2025-01-13T16:59:08+00:00

1)Casual hookups are about mutual attraction, fun, trust, shared short term goals, a willingness to take a risk, and usually a mutual aversion to commitment for any number of reasons. They can sometimes lead to more if the sex is good and the two people realize they have more in common than previously thought.

Relationships are about mutual attraction, fun, trust, shared short and medium term goals, ability to enjoy each other's company outside of sex or sex-adjacent settings, shared interests, and lifestyle compatibility.

"Getting hobbies" makes you more interesting to talk to and increases the likelihood you bond with someone who shares that hobby provided you already clear their looks threshold. Looks are far less cut and dry for women than for men, and things about a guy can make him more desirable to her beyond her initial assessment of his looks, but this requires her to get to know him.

"Better style" is highly subjective. To a goth or metalhead girl, dressing in expensive Brooks Brothers suits that are tailored perfectly to him is not going to make him attractive - she'll see him as a boring square with no personality who has nothing in common with her. To her, "better style" is ripping his black jeans, wearing an edgy black t-shirt, getting a tattoo, and maybe some studded wristbands and a choker, growing his hair long, and slapping on a sick pair of platform combat boots to complete the look. Women have preference in male style similarly to how men have preferences in the archetypes they tend to be more interested in as well. Style improves your looks in two ways - 1)better fitting clothing always looks better than poorly fitting clothing, no matter what style you're going for and 2)adopting a style that's attractive to her is always an improvement, but this will be different for different women and can't be faked.

2)Not entirely true. Many men play the field and are unwilling to commit to a woman for a relationship until true compatibility is established. Oftentimes, sexual compatibility can be part of that. Many women do this too. Hence sleeping together being a prerequisite before committing to an LTR. This phase, if undefined, is by definition a situationship. That said, a situationship is still with another person and that person should be treated with respect. If a situationship is just booty calls and sexts, it's probably clear the other person doesn't respect you, and if you're looking for more than booty calls and sexts, you should leave. Both men and women can do this.

That said, many men exclusively do situationships because they want sex, but don't want to put effort into relationships or "tie themselves down" to one woman. These men will sometimes be dishonest about their intentions and lead women on by dangling the carrot of a relationship in front of her, which is shitty. It's reasonable for women to screen guys like this more rigorously, but if someone is truly committed to the dishonesty it's hard to suss out. This is the risk every woman takes when she slips with a guy before getting that commitment. Every man or woman takes a risk in committing before that, because if the sex is bad and not redeemable, it's clear that it should end, and it's clear the sex is the reason why, which can be awkward (and probably pretty painful) for all involved...especially the partner being dumped.

Some men exclusively do situationships until they meet a woman they're truly into, which "feels different" and then they'll commit to an LTR (this is a variant the 'taxi cab light' theory from Sex and the City). But in general, people (especially young people) often have absolutely no idea what they want, and different reasons for pursuing different things, so their actions don't make a ton of sense until they DO find someone who's what they're looking for, and then things start to make sense and goals come into clearer focus.

So, to your "point" two different men can look at the same woman (let's buy into a redpill narrative for the sake of debate and say the woman is promiscuous) and one can see a potential LTR partner, and the other can see a situationship. There really are no universalities here.

Watson_USA · 2025-01-12T16:44:49+00:00

I believe in leagues, so I like to use the baseball analogy of tiered leagues to describe men’s situation (single-A, AA, AAA, Major League Baseball). Not everyone in your league will be attracted to you, but your league is the group you have the most success in. IE, if you’re a 5/10, you might occasionally get a hit with a 7 for a few dinner dates, but that doesn’t make you a 7 permanently.

The point I’m making is a man’s league is determined by the face and height he was born with. All the effort he puts in as an adult will increase his batting average in his pre-determined league, but nothing he does will be enough to promote him to the next more attractive league.

wtknight · 2025-01-12T15:48:59+00:00

Getting hobbies and dressing well will make a man more desirable, although he may have to do more than this. Personality is pretty important, too.

A woman who is constantly in situationships either has to find a way to lower her standards or improve herself, because most of the time it's men of higher value who have better options who aren't going to treat her well. Women can improve themselves just as much as men can. A man who sees her as a "catch" and doesn't want to lose her is going to treat her respectfully. Those who suggest that men don't ever behave in this way are just misandrists.

Former_Range_1730 · 2025-01-12T18:25:25+00:00

For men:

"It’s because you’re seen as undesirable and the world will treat you as such. Overall getting hobbies and getting better style will increase your appeal but not attraction"

For women:

" It’s not about your worth as a person "

So in other words, When it comes to women it's not about their worth, but when it comes to men it's about their worth that they can't change.

Got it.

Efficient-Baker1694 · 2025-01-13T17:09:32+00:00

Captain Jean-Luc Picard from Star Trek said: “It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.”

A man can do all of the self care/new hobbies in the entire world and still end up as a 70+ year old virgin having never been on a first date. That’s just how life can go.

evezinto · 2025-01-12T15:57:57+00:00

For 2) men know when theyre taking advantage, when theyre being manipulative. It tajes intention and calculated effort. It isnt always about how the woman is precieved because regardless of that, you as a man still know what she wants.

catdog8020 · 2025-01-12T21:16:05+00:00

Truth
If a woman continues to get in situationships then she’s dating someone way out of her league or a chad lol 😂

Lift_and_Lurk · 2025-01-12T15:47:35+00:00

1) the vast majority of people do not actively engage in hookups, so if you aren’t getting them on the regular, it either means you aren’t a part of that scene or it’s not your scene.

Stop listening to losers in the internet who never got a whiff of pussy trying to make you feel bad cause their balls didn’t drop in HS for some reason

2) Most relationships/hookups don’t work out. That’s the point. They don’t workout till they do then you are in a LTR. Most women know this better than anyone, so trying to mansplain shame isn’t gonna work.

Stop listening to losers in the internet who never got a whiff of pussy, think they have any words that can affect women*

3) No one cares about the shade coming from the trees that bear no fruit. So this isn’t a “truth bomb” It’s a confession of ignorance.

Business-Cheesecake2 · 2025-01-12T23:01:48+00:00

The hobbies give you purpose and fulfillment outside of women which you need.

Wise-Comedian-4316 · 2025-01-12T15:45:52+00:00

I will never get why people are so against the idea of getting hobbies for men. Yes it may not get you laid but socializing and doing new productive things is always healthy.

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Icy_Ad_4544 · 2025-01-12T17:34:06+00:00

The harsh truth is that both genders overestimate their look match (or whatever it is called). Granted most people want a relationship with someone they find physically attractive but I’ve seen a lot of people (men AND women) that I’d consider like a 2 or 3 who think they are a 7-8 and going for people who are much more attractive than they are.

I’d be very curious what/who posters consider their physical match of the gender they’re attracted to. 🫣

xxxMisogenes · 2025-01-12T18:53:16+00:00

They both lack game. The men could do very well with classmates and coworkers if they had conversation skills.

Hobbies only serve to give men the opportunity to meet women and maybe have a shared interests. Most guys that lack the skills for every day tit-for-tat chat can engage in this chat during hobby talk. You can have the same guy and have him do door-to-door sales and he will level up his convo skills.

The women need to bring value to the men they want to court them and most of them are the 'women born after' copypasta so only bring sex. That's why why they only get into situationships

Think-Signature6953 · 2025-01-13T16:43:17+00:00

I disagree with the second option regarding worth as a woman. If a man values a woman who hasn't been extensively promiscuous then it is indirectly saying that they put less value on the woman who has been promiscuous.

They don't see her as a relationship material but only a sexual option.

This begs the question of where someone's worth is based, the potential partner they wish to attract or the individual themselves?

kitterkatty · 2025-01-13T17:47:45+00:00

Hmm idk. It’ll be interesting to see what happens when I’m single vs my hubby single. I’ll be low income for a while but basically child free. But also too old for more kids, so that cancels out all the guys who are still dumb enough to want a family lol. (Being honest)

Applying that to your post, 15 years ago every guy that was interested wanted it to be forever. But I fit the early 2000s beauty standard not the current one.

He’ll be well off but have kids. So it’ll be interesting. I think he’ll find a girl low bc mid 20s that’s okay with being a step mom.

I’m not really into anything except fwb maybe. Maybe nothing. But I’m nurturing, a good cook, in shape and kinda dumb but a workaholic haha. In the best way. So yeah. I think we’ll both be much happier. He’s… not very adventurous, much less adventurous than I am. I only remember one time when I was happy. And he’s not giving, more taking. So idk if that’ll be okay with his next gf. But of course he might be a completely different person with a new lease on life so maybe she will be totally happy. 🤷🏼‍♀️

vladiVP · 2025-01-14T07:55:51+00:00

What do I do if I struggle with relationships and not with hook ups?

Werevulvi · 2025-01-12T17:09:15+00:00

I think most people (yes including most men) do have the capacity to become attractive, at least like moderately attractive, and attractive enough to get an average woman on the hook. Maybe not right away, or with just some new clothes, but with a better haircut, hitting the gym, eating healthier, improved hygiene, and a new wardrobe, after a few years of working on that, I don't see why not. At least when it comes to attracting average women who actually want to get married, and not the above average women who are like "I might agree to marriage if the guy is [instert long list of impossibly high standards.]"

I think most average women who actually want and prioritize marriage would be totally fine with overlooking a few inches of height or a few zeros of salary if the guy is clearly taking care of himself, has a stable job and treats women well. Because looking at the average married couple, that's most of the married men, and I think that's "marriage material" fir most actually serious women. I don't think women with super high standards are looking to get married, or an actually serious commitment LTR. They're kinda just doing the female version of hump and dump, or plate spinning. Seems quite often they're the ones breaking up with the guy when they get bored with him, or sucked up all his money.

2.I'm more willing to agree with this point. It seems quite often women who end up in situationships repeatedly either have some kinda mental issues or are just really bad at being a good partner. Whether they have some severe trust issues, misandry or victim complex, or just think the man should be doing 90% of the work.

I say this also because I'd probably put myself in this category as I've struggled with mental health issues a lot, which I'm sure has been a big reason my relationships didn't turn out great so far. The other things I listed don't apply to me though. Like sure, I have some trauma, but I don't blame men as a whole for it, nor do I ever want to be treated like a victim. But I can admit that my trauma, autism, borderline, etc has made me quite a terrible partner in the past.

I have however for the past few years been working really hard to improve on those issues, like getting more grounded and better emotional control, plus learning how to do basic domestic tasks like cooking and cleaning. So I hope one day I will be more of girlfriend/wife material. And no I don't blame men for not wanting to commit to crazy. I kinda wouldn't want to either.

Feeling_Ad_1034 · 2025-01-12T15:58:43+00:00

You’re seen as undesirable for a number of reasons but I’d bet a big one is your social skills. Hobbies and grooming will help you have basic interactions with people and build your social skills. Pick hobbies that interest you and you get to interact with a balanced gender group of people. Also it takes time, there’s no quick fix no mater what the influencers tell you.
Most women aren’t clueless why they can’t find someone, they just complain at the specific moments in their life where they wish they had a LTR most likely because they are fishing for consolation. Most women decide they want to settle at some point and settle. Same goes for men

Hosj_Karp · 2025-01-13T09:53:46+00:00

Where does the "have hobbies" bullshit come from? No one has hobbies. It definitely doesn't get you laid. Neither does "style" really matter. (Beyond clothes that are clean and fit)

Here's how to get women: 1. Lift weights. Lose weight. Be shredded. Most important thing by far. 2. Talk to women. Ask them out. Try. 3. Be nice. Don't be too weird. Don't be a misogynist. Or if you are keep that shit to yourself.

Just look pleasant and act pleasant and I guarantee you'll have women interested. Maybe they won't be virgin supermodels, but if that's your expectation idk what to tell.

Demasii · 2025-01-12T17:14:43+00:00

2) Most men view most women only as a sexual option. Women who don't find themselves in many situationships just vet better.

Gravel_Roads · 2025-01-12T16:03:19+00:00

These posts would, as always, benefit from the word “some”.

If a man can’t get hook ups, it’s because some women don’t find you desirable. Some women might find you desirable but find your behavior repellent. Some women won’t date even they find you desirable because they’re either already in a relationship or too jaded to give it a shot or their dog just died and they aren’t in a place for a new relationship right now.

See?

Women aren’t all the same person. Some will reject you for reasons you understand. Some will reject you for reasons you don’t understand.

Ultimately, if you like who you are and are proud of how you behave, this is just she screening process at work. You should be selecting out the people who don’t work for you as well.

Stock-Argument-1040 · 2025-01-12T23:58:13+00:00

I swear to god sometimes it feels like people live on a different planet from me entirely. Most of my male friends aren't traditionally attractive and have met their SO through hobbies. It works. It's not even like they went to the gym to control what they could about their looks. Short and chubby, but they have girlfriends by being sociable people at their hobbies and having good hygiene.

I have no experience with people in situationships and therefore have no opinion.

woodclip · 2025-01-12T15:54:00+00:00

if you are a man and you struggle with hookups and/or getting in relationships it’s not because you lack hobbies or don’t dress well. It’s because you’re seen as undesirable and the world will treat you as such. Overall getting hobbies and getting better style will increase your appeal but not attraction

And they are seen as undesirable because they are physically unattractive.

Livid-Log7463 · 2025-01-12T23:22:11+00:00

The only thing I disagree with is that it is absolutely because people have differing worths as people, I don’t think it’s helpful to say otherwise, like what you say for women not being a reflection of their worth, it absolutely is and she is worth less than a woman who can have those things and I don’t think its helpful to tell people to value themselves more than they are.

SteveSan82 · 2025-01-13T00:23:17+00:00

I simply hit the gym, worked on my posture, read books on female nature and game.

If you are a man, having childish interests will kill attraction. No woman wants a guy who is obsessed with video games and watching sports. No woman is going to be loyal to a guy who drinks beer after work and or smokes weed. It looks weak.

rejected-again · 2025-01-13T10:30:16+00:00

Dude, you're just stating the obvious here. May as well call water wet.

DamagedByPessimism · 2025-01-13T11:49:56+00:00

Yes, so?

Artistic_Bumblebee17 · 2025-01-13T17:37:53+00:00

Give examples of #2 of some of the things they may say I think most men would love a situationship with most women but same as women, would rarely consider marriage with any of them

xxTheMagicBulleT · 2025-01-13T22:20:16+00:00

More or less for men if you cant have a good social circle of frends with both men and women. Your much more likely to fail in any dating capacity too. Good social skills is highly required to have friends but much more so for relationships.

For women. Sexual access and that men want to sleep you is not really winning.

Just like many women use men to fix there problems or pay for there things and don't see them as people. Same way you have a lot of men that use women for sex. So just having a person does not mean your winning. Cause both sides use each other in different ways. So sex is not how you should look at commitment but how willing people are to invest in you. And care about you as a person what I think does count for both sides a lot. But for women it's often that they think men willingness to sleep with a women means he automatically cares a lot thats just not true. Many things men and women just don't look or feel the same about. Why commitment and willingness to invest or care for you as a person mostly both ways is a much better way to vet for commitment

And for both dating apps are what they are. A moshpit of the losers. Anyone that has the social skill the frend connection. Or is not a high demanding person be it personality or what they require of there partners. Literally does not need a dating app ever. And people need to understand the fact of your on a dating app every person is lacking in some way else you would be successful without it. And thats a simple fact. Why its weird that men or women shame each other about there dating apps cause both being there means your in the losser bunch. Cause if you have a good enough frends group or social connections you wil never need a dating app. And that the truth for both men and women.

waffleznstuff30 · 2025-01-14T01:51:32+00:00

In regards to 2.

I don't think she's not meant for relationship and therefore no man will take her seriously ever. It's her behavior that has to change and valuing herself a little more.

I think she has weak boundaries and flexible standards. She's the type to get attention from a guy she thinks is hot enough by physical standards. So he doesn't have to do much? He doesn't plan dates. He doesn't take her out it's come through to his house and she treats it like it's her calling. It's waiting by her phone to text him back as soon as he replies. It's throwing away yourself and your wants and playing to the whims of someone else. Being the "chill girl" but in reality he's playing in your face.

The reason why these "situationships" "casual but not casual for someone else" relationships work and hook people. Is the allure and constantly having a crush. It's a lack of information. So you romantize the hell outta them. Instead of realizing they are a low effort man. You just HAVE win them over. It's breaking that cycle and you will be disgusted by it

simpopotamus · 2025-01-15T06:55:52+00:00

both of these are so refreshing to read. I'm tired of all the "Just shower, bro" and "All men are pigs"

SpiritedAd4051 · 2025-01-19T04:33:02+00:00

Harsher truth: Your parents have / had more influence on your life than you think. Men with access to hookups in high school and university are almost exclusively from upper middle class or upper class families, generally ones with decentish parenting skills who provided alot of financial support (unless they are an elite black male athlete in the US or drug dealers). If you don't fit one of those categories, you aren't in the game. University campuses in the west are basically buffets of lower and middle class pussy being served on a platter to UMC/UC men, athletes, and drug dealers. If you're a male and not in one of those categories, to bad. By the time you find TRP at 25 you've already missed 98% of the opportunities for hookups you might ever have. If you find TRP at 15... It can't help you unless you already have UMC / UC parents or are an elite athlete or drug dealer.

kvakerok_v2 · 2025-01-12T21:39:43+00:00

3) If you're a woman and find yourself consistently ghosted, left on read, etc, that means you're disclosing things about yourself that make men think you're not relationship material. Or you're consistently picking douchebags.

Euphoric_Amoeba8708 · 2025-01-13T08:26:53+00:00

I like how 1 shits on men and 2 tells women it’s not their fault lol

NoDanaOnlyZuuI · 2025-01-13T16:46:10+00:00

if you’re a man, and you struggle with getting into relationships, your personality has a lot more to do with it than you think

I find it so interesting that some men on the sub will freely make comments about women being “relationship material”, or only a “sexual option”, and then freak out when they realize that women see men in the same way

Outside_Memory5703 · 2025-01-12T15:56:30+00:00

Attraction is not just based on appearance, as any old, ugly, thrice-divorced rich dude or scraggly, unwashed band member could tell you

GH0STRIDER579 · 2025-01-13T05:30:35+00:00

It's not that you're seen as socially undesirable and subject to mistreatment. You'll simply be left out of sexual interactions but otherwise have a normal life available to you. Nobody is going to discriminate against you doing your hobbies or at work just because you're not attractive.

RoseyButterflies · 2025-01-13T07:24:32+00:00

Incel men here will argue that the man just has to be hot. Redpill men will argue that he has to have game and stuff going for him. I'd argue that, hotness and game can get you a partner sure but the best partnerships that stay together and are happy have similar interests and dedicate time to go on dates and do things together still.

Say for example a woman goes with a hot chad but they have no similar interests and he doesn't bother to do dates with her or spend time doing things with her. Do you think she will be happy? No! Hell no. I know of people in this exact situation. Then they just stay together because they love their partner but they aren't happy or satisfied and may leave. Know a chick who keeps doing this.

ElegantVermicelli667 · 2025-01-13T13:58:48+00:00

Men smile at me. They bow their heads. They rush to open doors. They stare at me but don’t talk.

What does this mean?

JustGeminiThings · 2025-01-14T18:34:06+00:00

The hobby advice is really just short hand for developing yourself so that you have something else of genuine interest in your life that could give you a little fulfillment, and so that you go out and have a reason to socialize. So you have a hobby but now you have to go meet people doing the hobby and learn to talk to people and develop some connections in your life. If you have a social group already, or you are extroverted enough to just straight up join a singles group - then you don't necessarily need a hobby.

Conscious-Truth-7685 · 2025-01-15T00:43:49+00:00

Two seconds of critical thinking would tell you this is unequivocally untrue. If it were, men would either be entirely desirable or entirely undesirable. The truth of the matter is that some people will find you desirable, and some will not. Obviously, coming across as put together, healthy looking, good grooming habits, etc. will increase your chances to be found desirable. It's not even necessarily superficial as no one wants to be with someone who can't even take the time to invest in themselves, let alone others.

KhadgarIsaDreadlord · 2025-01-15T12:39:30+00:00

I think this is a pretty self-defeatist attitude to have. Mainly reacting to the part regarding men, becouse that's what I hsve experience with, duh.

For men, the main things that determine your attractiveness for most women are within your control. This is the tough pill to swallow, not embracing nihilism. Sure it's a lot easier if you are built like Henry Cavil but the average man can do a lot with a few things that you should do regardless of dating. Hygene, fitting clothes, charisma, fitting hairstyle, some level of muscle mass (not bulky or ripped, just don't be skinny-fat), having a career. That's it, if you have all this you are above 60-70% of men, all things you have control over. Building charisma is hard, but it's necessary. Charisma does 80% of the heavy lifting in determining attractiveness for men.

PracticalControl2179 · 2025-01-12T18:16:04+00:00

All of this is low self esteem core. Dating and relationships are hard. Stop trying to give people complexes.

ThatBitchA · 2025-01-12T16:25:59+00:00

Hobbies make a man more attractive. Help improve social skills. And increases opportunities to get laid due to a larger social network.

Idk why men here are so against hobbies. Hobbies will get you laid way faster/easier than OLD.

Sometimes, a woman doesn't want long-term relationships. Sometimes a situationship (fuck buddy) is exactly what someone needs.

Title	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later.
Author	Youcbah
Upvotes	233
Comments	461
Date	January 12, 2025 3:36 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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