If women want to see certain changes in men, they should reward the men who embody that ideal

AlarmingArm9919 · 2026-02-22T01:40:12+00:00

there are dudes that want to get fucked in the ass by women while calling them mommy - and in the morning, the exact same guy will punch her in the face.

there are male emo singers with the most emotionally intelligent song lyrics, who abuse and rape.

and then plenty of bearded, buff, masculine men who make great husbands, fathers, and wouldn't harm a fly

i say this as something of a pegging connoisseur myself -- you can't distill a person's politically coded preferences down to a moral ideal

aesthetic changes around men accomplish nothing for anybody

only broader acceptance of the self ever has

LMAO_Llamaa · 2026-02-22T10:15:48+00:00

People don’t date based on ideology, they date based on attraction. Women aren’t running a charity program to “reward” men for good behavior.

You can support vulnerability or dad bods in theory and still not feel chemistry. Attraction isn’t a participation trophy.

Also let’s not pretend men are different. We say we want nice, loyal, low drama, then ignore her for the girl who gives us anxiety.

It’s not hypocrisy. It’s just that desire doesn’t care about your manifesto.

J-MAMA · 2026-02-22T14:22:15+00:00

Watch what they do, not what they say.

They like the predicament they place in front of themselves, let em and just maneuver around it.

Livid-Log7463 · 2026-02-22T19:28:34+00:00

The thing is that women don’t say these things because they are capable of attraction to any of them, they say them to virtue signal that they are more accepting than they are.

bondepart · 2026-02-22T08:38:12+00:00

I am dating a man who is emotionally vulnerable, non-masculine and has a dad bod. But whenever women say this they are not believed.

MoonriseOverEarth · 2026-02-22T03:25:10+00:00

If men want to see certain changes in women, they should reward the women who embody that ideal.

I mean, men constantly complain about N count, so I tell them to keep their pants zipped - no casual sex. But no, "mah dick tingles."

Men constantly complain about women who expect to have an elaborate first date paid for and refuse to ever plan, so I tell em, don't date those girls. Make it clear you want 50/50. But no, "I won't get dates."

Men constantly complain about divorce rape, so I tell em, date an educated and smart girl with a good job. But no, "I don't want a boss babe, I wanna woman to devote all her time to taking care of me and our kids."

Men constantly complain about how expensive women are with their hair and this and that, so i tell em, date a low maintenance girl that isn't dumping insane amounts into clothes, hair, make-up, but then they say, "but they look nice and pretty and I don't want some mid woman!"

Men constantly complain about how they can't get any woman for a serious relationship, I say, look for a woman in her early thirties who is also looking to settle down, but they say, "no girls hit the wall at 25! I don't any used up woman!"

Many men follow their dick tingles first and ignore a good woman.

I know, I was that good woman ignored in her late teens and early twenties. I was sooo looking for a husband back then, but I was nerdy, bookish, and dumpy. I was virginal, proper, with my legs closed. I was low maintenance, didn't wear much make up, and - get this - could cook! Mom deliberately raised me for an eye toward being wife material. And was/am smart with an excellent career.

Alas, men thought I was a wet blanket and mid. They wanted the pretty sorority chicks with their "juicy" shorts, perfect make up, and perfect hair. They wanted someone willing to fuck around fast and drink at frat parties.

I wasn't rewarded for being good and virginal and proper and loyal or wanting kids or being family oriented.

If men aren't willing to curb their own impulses, why do they keep expecting women to do so?

SnooMarzipans8221 · 2026-02-22T10:03:39+00:00

We out here promoting Pavlov tactics now? ... About men - people who should have higher levels of intelligence than dogs. Very strange!!!

Suspicious_Glove7365 · 2026-02-22T01:59:01+00:00

Sorry, but telling men they CAN be whatever is about accepting men for who they are without judgment, not that men who do this will be drowning in pussy. You can wear a dress as a man and I will give you a high five for being you. But I know absolutely nothing else about you to know if we would be compatible dating each other. You can be non masculine and I will not lose any respect for you because of it—who knows if that mean I will want to date you.

I already am dating a less masculine man who is vulnerable about his feelings. But since I’m dating him, I’m not dating any other dudes who fit this category. And what I find attractive and say to men is attractive to me is not necessarily what other women find attractive.

So…we’re not all the same. And some of us are already doing what you want.

leosandlattes · 2026-02-22T02:03:41+00:00

What do my preferences have to do with allowing people the freedom to do those things? I don’t judge or socially ostracize a man who presents feminine / wears dresses, but I’m not attracted to those men either.

Social acceptance ≠ women have to date them.

Just like women who do not conform to feminine norms also result in them having a more niche, smaller dating pool.

Also the women who are not bothered by dad bods are usually the ones dating them. The girls into fit guys are always saying stuff like “fat men are gross.”

Training-Cook3507 · 2026-02-22T01:18:07+00:00

They don't prefer those things. They just prefer to write them on the internet to feel better about themselves.

love_in_october · 2026-02-22T07:59:57+00:00

You can't personally date everyone who does something you think should be normalised, unless you also want to normalise harems. Just treating them decently and maybe complimenting them is quite enough. I'm not sure that any social acceptance push has ever been spread through personal dating choices, not least because it would be completely ineffective. (And, for example, a straight man may want to normalise men talking about their mental health, yet won't date an openly mentally ill man.)

GGMcThroway · 2026-02-22T01:29:28+00:00

Giving this the most charitable possible interpretation: Relationships are a balancing act, and it's important to not fall from one extreme to another. It's also important that the female partner in a relationship have the flexibility and emotional regulation to meet her partner where he's at.

In reality, men push to see what they can get away with and want to rules lawyer their out of anything resembling accountability. You can be unmasculine without being a doormat. You can share your emotions without being volatile. Being fluid in your gender expression doesn't necessarily mean that you're pulling off the look. Dadbod doesn't mean fat and unhealthy.

Like you said, men are mating strategists. That means they're aiming to get the benefits of relationships with the least amount effort possible. Pretending that men disingenuously misinterpreting what women say is somehow dishonesty on women's part is a decent chunk of why we're in this mess at all.

society000 · 2026-02-22T03:37:27+00:00

The problem here is this: Women tell men this, not because they want to date that kind of man, but because they think it will make men happier. They don't know just how much men need women, especially for happiness.

The problem is that the reverse simply isn't true. Women don't need men, they don't even want men. The system of patriarchy was created to make women need men for survival, while ensuring that men would have a reason to participate in society. Now that women don't need men, naturally, we see more coming out as LGBT (three times more likely than men), choosing celibacy and getting emotional needs from friends, or, very rarely, choosing a high value man, sometimes even choosing to share him with other women.

Meanwhile, you can see 'straight' women proudly discussing just how much they hate men, how disgusting they find men's bodies, how pathetic men's emotions are, how their suicide and loneliness rates aren't high enough, even mothers openly hating their own sons. It's impressive how much they hate men. In many ways, I can find it very understandable, even if it makes me quite sad to reflect on.

The problem is that boys are taught that they'll be loved or valued, that they'll 'be enough' for a woman someday to love them. This was simply never true. It is antiquated advice built on a lie. Worse still, it is why so many incels are bitter and angry, because they feel they deserve love and it's being withheld from them, when the reality is they never did because they were born wrong.

If you want to be loved by a woman, it doesn't matter what you try. More and more women are realizing how much they hate us, and finding happiness separate of us. You can't change this. You must move on and kill this desire in your breast.

FeminismIsMyJam · 2026-02-23T02:35:34+00:00

What do we reward them with? Our vaginas?

DMmeClownPics · 2026-02-22T01:36:42+00:00

I do, in fact, choose men specifically for “non-masculine” qualities. I’m attracted to that in particular. The less masculine a man is, the less likely he is into women is kinda the problem tho. I managed to find one that is just barely enough bisexual that he is into me, and it was all the stereotypically “gay” stuff that attracted me to him hard and fast. Like he calls my Daddy and we share clothes. And I love how emotional he is and that he doesn’t try to hide it or contain it. He’s everything I have always wanted in a man. I absolutely adore him.

Charming_Coffee_2166 · 2026-02-22T10:35:15+00:00

We do hence the infamous male loneliness epidemic

sublimemongrel · 2026-02-22T01:34:45+00:00

Y’all only see sex as a reward and use random stats to say See!! You only “reward” men who are bad”!! It’s a completely disingenuous argument that’s repeated over and over and over

Dating/sex first of all isn’t a “reward” good boys are entitled to.

Second of all all y’all’s stats on this are just take face value to mean one thing and one thing only - that bad boys are rewarded and good boys are punished. It’s an insane use.

duncan-the-wonderdog · 2026-02-22T01:34:33+00:00

I've yet to date a guy who doesn't meet my ideals, but guys on this sub also claim that because my ideal guy is pretty rare, I should lower my standards because I'm aiming too high?

Realistic-Ad-1023 · 2026-02-22T03:12:35+00:00

Yall wanna cry you don’t get sex and then shame the women out here having sex.

I fucked the men in makeup, the pals I pegged, the dude in a dress.

I also fucked macho, strong, fit, masculine types.

I married the soft kind strong fit silly one.

Also - sex was never a “reward” for the good boy points they put in to the pussy machine. I just wanted to fuck. And so did they. So we did.

2026-02-22T07:37:28+00:00

I personally have no ideal and go on a case by case basis. My exes have had very different facial, body and personality features. Authenticity is hot.

Yesterday I was watching this YouTube creator, Film Cooper, and I was thinking that he was so attractive with his girly jewellery, fun print clothes and cheeky personality. Does it mean I’d like these things on everyone? Probably not.

Prestigious-Smoke511 · 2026-02-22T12:12:55+00:00

They already do.

jedi1josh · 2026-02-23T00:06:33+00:00

Dude, I'm far from what most men think masculinity is and I am in a relationship. Try being funny, it's how I did it.

Tylikcat · 2026-02-23T00:48:00+00:00

Telling men they don’t have to be masculine but then proceeding to date only masculine men.

Even assuming these are the same women - and I think they're often not - "masculine" according to women isn't a single standard. I do not give a flying fuck if a guy has a square jaw, muscles, a buzz cut, whatevs. I tend to like the lanky academic types. (Or the lanky musician types.) Long hair or floppy hair. But I'm flexible. Hell, my favorite sparring partners are ones I can discuss research with while sparring.

Saying you don't have to adhere to gender norms isn't an invitation to fuck you if you stop adhering to them.

Telling men they should be vulnerable and open up about their insecurities to their partners but then not being able to handle it.

I think this often is misconstrued. I mean, sure, teenagers are going to be all over the place. But most adult women are looking for men who are competent adults. Being able to talk about your feelings and insecurities is a plus - in part, because it's part of getting to know someone. Opening up about your feeling and insecurities to reveal that you're wildly immature and have terrible communications skills is not.

See again why it's important to have close friends and work on your social skills.

Telling men they can be fluid in their gender expression, wear dresses and paint their nails like Harry Styles, while never actually dating anyone who dresses like that.

I hang in circles where there are a lot of people who are gender fluid or fluid in their gender expression. (I somewhat resemble that, but then, women cracked open gendered clothing some time ago, so it doesn't carry the same weight.* Look back to Marlene Dietrich in a tux in the 1930s, FFS.)

Harry Styles is both highly attractive and exceptionally stylish. The vast majority of men playing with gender transgressive styles are neither. (Also, most of them are way too young for me, though I've certainly dated gender transgressive men in the past. I came of age in the eighties after all...)

I support people playing with all kinds of gender expression. But expect there to be a learning curve, and it's not magically going to make you more attractive.

Telling men they prefer dad bods but then choosing fit guys over those with dad bods.

Are these guys with "dad bods" actual dads?

I think when looking at specific pictures, women are being completely honest. But those are pictures, not people they have actually met. A dad bod means more than "not fit". In fact, it usually means someone who was fit, still is reasonably fit, who has softened a little because they put their children first over gym time. So, someone comfortable, mature, and responsible. And a good parent. I think most of the people who like to think of themselves as having dad bods here most likely aren't that.

*Today, I'm wearing shop pants, a ramen house t-shirt, a merino hoodie, and boots. It's fairly likely that at some point this week I'll be wearing a plaid mini skirt - though it's only just over the knee - and mock thigh high tights. And different boots. The big question is whether I'll wear it to teach. I also have a really sharp tux, though it probably needs to be taken in...

SeemedGood · 2026-02-22T03:03:27+00:00

Your problem is taking women at their word instead of at their deeds.

Pay no mind to the former and observe the latter closely.

Nice_Smoke_9949 · 2026-02-22T04:43:01+00:00

Why am I supposed to reward your behavior like a trained dog? Maybe that's part of the problem, to think, behave, exist expecting a positive response from us.

WebNew9978 · 2026-02-22T02:23:18+00:00

Sounds too transactional for women’s liking.

Logos1789 · 2026-02-22T02:33:28+00:00

They should incentivize those men (just so you don’t have to deal with the “reward” debate).

the_scar_when_you_go · 2026-02-22T15:33:55+00:00

Why is it the responsibility of women to gently parent men into becoming independent, functional adults?

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TheBroke1234 · 2026-02-22T03:20:14+00:00

All of these things you mentioned can be somewhat real, the caveat is they have to be in isolation.

If you have a dad bod, but you are otherwise masculine and have attractive traits, you can still get women, and some might even say they like the dad bod. ALSO even the "dad bod" itself often means a masculine "strong fat" body anyway. If you have a more feminine aesthetic and wear nail polish, that can be a benefit if you also embody other masculine traits. Same thing about opening up about insecurities, if you do it sometimes it can benefit you, but you still generally should be masculine and be careful about that.

Women saying they don't like masculinity in general just shouldn't be listened to and I don't think many actually say that.

I think a lot of people like a mix of masculine and feminine traits. Its like the guys who say they want a gamer girl. Its not like they want a women who is disagreeable, super competetive, benches 185, doesn't care much about appearance, and plays video games. They mean they want an otherwise feminine woman who also plays video games.

Vaudeville_Clown · 2026-02-22T08:46:38+00:00

Younger idealist women actually do this. They are more often seen dating men that don't fit masculine molds.

I'm guessing sometimes they go beyond what they primarily find attractive and instead go for what they "should" find attractive instead.

PS. The guys in these scenarios chime in with or fully agrees with most of her liberal lefty opinions.

Of course, it can be true attraction too now, because peer pressure and "what will my friends think" has diminished some.

Kind of the same thing as how a guy who used to say "Lol, no fat chicks" sometimes end up in a relationship with a big woman anyway, once the social pressure which says he can't has been lifted.

Anyway,

This only apply to the youngest dating generation. Gen X and older millenial women have all the retrograde expectations on men while professing progressive views and principles that go counter to it. They believe in change "for someone else", but they don't want to be the change, by lived example.

bluestjuice · 2026-02-22T23:48:49+00:00

I do. But of course plenty of women do not want those changes in men. It's a numbers game as ever and it doesn't move that fast.

wellendowedgoat · 2026-02-23T01:02:35+00:00

You'll get more of what you sexually reward and less of what you sexually don't reward. It's that simple really. If women collectively generally pick a certain type of guy, most men would try to emulate that type of guy because it works and has higher likelihood of success. Ultimately, the goal of every mammalian species, including the homo sapiens, is sex and reproduction. That's the main quest in life, regardless of what people claim. Everything else is generally a luxury pursuit. Every status game that is played is played for that purpose, rarely for the sake of it, whether people do it consciously or subconsciously.

RevolutionaryJob7908 · 2026-02-23T07:09:19+00:00

I recommend only date women you are actually attracted to and want to be with. If all men do that, then the women will stop stuffing their stomachs with nachos and cheese.

shitlittleparrot · 2026-02-23T18:11:59+00:00

I do it with my partner

AnyBroccoli2280 · 2026-02-24T22:10:05+00:00

I don't necessarily agree with that, if a man is going to change he himself should want to make them changes A woman shouldn't have to make a man change

Fragrant-Half-7854 · 2026-02-25T14:03:24+00:00

I don’t want anyone to change. I want my guy to be who he wants to be and let me fall in love with that person. No matter how a decent guy is, some women will be attracted to him and some won’t. Just be the person you want to be.

Extra_Performer4001 · 2026-02-27T21:04:58+00:00

It's the same variance as you. You're telling women not to be smutty but really you're starting at the Brazilian swimsuit model

Glittering_Win_5085 · 2026-02-28T22:12:08+00:00

Why? Men are entitled to do or be those things. Women affirming it's a problem, women enforcing norms is a problem. Can't win either way really. A man has a right to do lots of things that I wouldnt want to block, doesn't mean I'm obliged to date them as an ally.

WknessTease · 2026-02-22T04:18:44+00:00

The fact you'd think Harry Styles doesn't get pussy is absolutely hilarious.

Women already pick who they want. You're just not who they want and that makes you bitter - but men with dad bods and fluid gender expression def do get laid on a daily basis.

DankuTwo · 2026-02-22T09:08:30+00:00

This will never happen, because it goes against fundamental female programming (which is to NEVER tell the truth, except purely by accident).

Thatshygurl · 2026-02-22T03:05:59+00:00

What women in real life have you heard say the first and third points on your list?

I definitely want someone who is masculine. Not in a performative way, but genuinely.

I also think men should be able to open up and be vulnerable with their partners. Not just their partners though, friends, family, etc. Men, women, everyone should have a least a few people they can go to when they need to open up and talk about things.

Idk who’s telling men to be more fluid in gender expression. It might be becoming more accepted, might be something the main stream media is pushing. Ultimately I think if a guy wants to express himself in a more gender fluid way, all the power to him. It’s just not something I, or frankly a good majority of women are attracted to(imo).

Honestly physique is a mixed bag. I think generally people go for their looks match. Of course outliers and dating apps over exaggerate that women have unbelievable standards. However if you spend sometime in public and really people watch, most couples are looks match. I think “Dad bods” is just lingo that contains many different body types. People said Jason Momoa had a “Dad Bod” just for not having a six pack. I think most women like a man who’s relatively fit. Like at their level. For me personally I’d be into a range of body types, as long as the man has got muscles. Again, I think most women want a man they are attracted to, but who is also going to be attracted to them. Most bigger gals I know usually go for the guys relative to that fitness level.

I think a lot of these opinions come from the media. Not particularly “women”. It’s sometimes what they want you to think women want, but it’s not. Talk to women irl

midnight_blue77 · 2026-02-22T03:45:36+00:00

What makes you think women aren't already doing that? They are rewarding what they are truly attracted to, that's kinda the origin of the Red Pill ya know...

Telling men they don’t have to be masculine but then proceeding to date only masculine men.

Again, what makes you think women aren't already rewarding the things they truly like? They lie just to appear moral and righteous but their actions are their true words.

Telling men they should be vulnerable and open up about their insecurities to their partners but then not being able to handle it.

Have you ever heard of what a shit test is?

Telling men they can be fluid in their gender expression, wear dresses and paint their nails like Harry Styles, while never actually dating anyone who dresses like that.

It ever cross your mind that perhaps women maliciously enjoy clowning men to see what stupid shit they can make simpletons do?

Telling men they prefer dad bods but then choosing fit guys over those with dad bods.

Come on now. If by this point you don't get the joke then you never will.

Men are mating strategists. If you actually want to change them, you as women have the power to do so by rewarding the men who follow your “ideal” with romantic interest. And men will follow.

The rest of us are far more complicated than that sir. We are not Pavlovians dogs. Women can't easily manipulate the rest of us as they probably do you.

But don’t expect change if you are being dishonest and hypocritical.

Have you heard of Female Nature? 🤔

You're starting to worry me buddy.

pie-mart · 2026-02-22T18:22:04+00:00

This is stupid. Cuz some guys already feel like they are owed relationships or sex for being "nice" or "good"

And if it becomes a habit of reward, then you are going to have men doing nice things for women, to expect sex and or a relationship and when they don't get it, take it from her by force or hurt her

We can't go around fucking all the genuinely nice guys as a reward for good behavior.

Because then you are gonna have all these guys acting nice to get sex or a relationship and not getting it and feeling like its owed to them

No_Teacher_3313 · 2026-02-22T19:47:48+00:00

My bf is a feminist and he is rewarded by getting to be with me. 😂

CheekyFroggy · 2026-02-22T21:28:09+00:00

Telling men they don’t have to be masculine but then proceeding to date only masculine men.

For the most part, women do not want insecure Andrew Tate shitheads desperately trying to convince everyone about of how masculine/alpha they are. That shit ain't masculine, it's just cringe faux-masculinity.

Masculine can mean a whole lot of things. For the most part, women want a man they feel safe with, with bonus points if they handle some traditionally masculine tasks (killing bugs, muscle work, etc). It doesn't mean she wants Hercules.

Telling men they should be vulnerable and open up about their insecurities to their partners but then not being able to handle it.

Not all women (or people in general) are emotionally intelligent or mature. If someone isn't able to handle someone else communicating their vulnerabilities or insecurities, then they likely aren't very emotionally mature. If you truly and deeply love someone, then you should be able to be supportive of each other in these regards. As a woman, the guy I'm seeing has been vulnerable about some of his insecurities, and it has done nothing but made me want to love and support him more. I honour that he sees me as someone he can safely confide to. He makes me feel secure, and I want him to feel just as secure with me.

Telling men they can be fluid in their gender expression, wear dresses and paint their nails like Harry Styles, while never actually dating anyone who dresses like that.

Some women are going to be just as attracted with this, while others may not be attracted to this at all. Different people are attracted to different things. That's no different than some men being attracted to different types of styles in women.

A man doing his nails would have zero impact on my attraction to him, but I'd maybe be less attracted to a random man wearing dresses. Meanwhile, one of my sisters wants to date more feminine men and would love to date a man who'd go as far as wearing dresses... regardless of whether or not I am personally attracted to a sense of style, I'd still heavily encourage men to wear dresses if he so wishes to do so. People should be allowed to dress however as long as they aren't dressed overly sexually/inappropriately flashing their privates especially around minors. I'd rather people be confident in what they're wearing in expressing their true self than restricting themselves to appease others. If they aren't attracted to your sense of style, it just means you aren't meant to be together and to move on lol.

Telling men they prefer dad bods but then choosing fit guys over those with dad bods.

I've never been into overly fit guys or gym bros, I've always been more into nerdier men soo 🤷‍♀️

Men generally go around far more aggressively about "no fat chicks" bs and body-shaming women than what women do to men, so I'm not sure wtf your point even is here lol. Women are generally less picky about physical fitness or appearance in men than men are of women. Different people are attracted to different body types, nothing wrong with that as long as you aren't shaming people for how they look.

you as women have the power to do so by rewarding the men who follow your “ideal” with romantic interest.

and so the red pill movement was born

DGenerationMC · 2026-02-22T01:25:43+00:00

............is that not what already happens?

Financial_Leave4411 · 2026-02-22T01:32:28+00:00

Why the hell should women help men learn how to deceive women in mass just so guys can purposely hurt women by pumping and dumping them?

How about instead we normalize all men trying to romanticize women by gifting women cash and prizes and then if the woman is interested she could choose to grace you with her attention on a date the man treats her to. That’s a much better plan!

No-Calligrapher-885 · 2026-02-22T02:23:24+00:00

It's almost as if women are not a monolith that all want the same things in a man...

cb8585b · 2026-02-22T02:50:50+00:00

No ideally people like a person not a performance. If there’s a woman who likes men who wear dresses and paint their nails, some dude faking that shit to get laid will eventually grow resentful and/or revert to someone said woman is not in to.

People are saying yall should be free to do you. You may find a person that likes you for you or not. If you need to be told someones going to fuck you as motivation to be yourself or reinvent yourself that sounds like a personal problem women shouldn’t concern themselves with.

Foundthecure · 2026-02-23T18:39:29+00:00

Its just virtue signaling. Think of it like asking someone to tell you something negative about themselves in a job interview. You're not getting a real answer you're getting what they think you want to hear.

"my biggest weakness is that i care too much"

ok...

This-Register · 2026-02-22T02:43:52+00:00

The first rule of dealing with women is that it's their prerogative to change their minds about things. You must take an "actions speak louder than words" stance with them because most of their opinions are formed out of fear of retaliation from men or judgment by other women.

Blacktransjanny · 2026-02-22T18:45:01+00:00

I saw a woman comment on here that being allowed to sit on the couch and watch Netflix (note NOT Netflix n Chill) was supposed to be an award for being a good man. Wow... its a real mystery why Billy Beta Bux is pissed off that doing everything to be a good guy gives him platonic movie night while the asshole Chad who degrades women get's to hit it and quit it with near impunity. Of course Chad doesn't have a 1,000,000 karma reddit account so Billy can have that on him!

Title	If women want to see certain changes in men, they should reward the men who embody that ideal
Author	M3lony8
Upvotes	164
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Date	February 22, 2026 1:14 AM UTC (4 months ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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