Study: Women, without exceptions, found muscular, "ripped" men most attractive; although in social contexts they lie to avoid hurting men around them.

LotBuilder · 2019-11-15T22:36:13+00:00

They don’t lie to avoid hurting men, they lie to avoid appearing shallow. They don’t care how men feel.

jacemano · 2019-11-15T16:55:23+00:00

I've lived this.

I can TELL when I'm in shape because no matter what they say, women treat me differently when I've got a nice amount of mass going.

Not to say there aren't outliers, but of course a muscular body does well. Until you get into strongman territory. Also a lot of girls who say this are really saying I can't handle such a nice body because it makes me feel insecure about mine.

Niki_Biryani · 2019-11-15T20:30:39+00:00

The fact a muscular guy gets hundreds of more matches on dating apps compared to an average physique guy was proof enough. And of course women lie when they say they don't prefer muscular or athletically fit guys.

super-commenting · 2019-11-15T20:53:13+00:00

It's not just to avoid hurting men, it's also to protect their own image. Ripped guys are rare, so most women have mostly dated/hooked up with guys with less than perfect bodies. Admitting that they actually like ripped guys would be admitting that they have a tendency to settle

NeedingAdvice86 · 2019-11-15T20:00:14+00:00

You have to admire the lack of self awareness of PPD ladies..whose very behavior confirms the study.

They miss the part about where women will lie in social contexts along with on reddit that "no just ignore the raging nipples, flushed face and blushing, I really like the flat ass, twig legs and squishy bellyroll of a dadbod, <vomit>"....wink, wink.

Thanks ladies.

UrMomma4 · 2019-11-15T17:41:56+00:00

You can find ripped bodies attractive and Dad bods attractive. They are not mutually exclusive.

If the women said, "I don't find men like Thor attractive. Too much abs and muscles" then yea, that lady is lying.

UrMomma4 · 2019-11-15T17:46:03+00:00

I have never met a woman that says "if I could choose between a muscular man or an obese man, I choose the obese".

Of course men who are in better shape and have muscles are going to be more attractive, but it doesn't automatically mean that dad bods can't be attractive at the same time. I don't even know why they did this study, what claim are they opposing? I feel like this is obvious. Just like a woman in great shape is more attractive than one that isn't.

wazzoz99 · 2019-11-15T16:30:13+00:00

Did you read this study?

The men's faces were obscured. Women could only see their body and women were only rating from photos.

sublimemongrel · 2019-11-15T16:32:55+00:00

No, I have always said tall and skinny is my type. Not rail skinny, I like toned like a runner, but not “ripped” either.

Anatheballerina · 2019-11-15T17:13:20+00:00

No, I’m pretty honest about what I find attractive physically. I’d say I’m right with the norm in finding more muscular, shredded guys attractive. I go to the gym and work out myself so not only are muscular guys physically attractive, it also tells me we have a similar lifestyle.

-OpportunityCost · 2019-11-15T19:31:36+00:00

Who the fuck is actually disagreeing with this? Women find attractive men more attractive than non attractive men, no shit. People lie in public contexts to seem better/nicer than they actually are, no shit. This is all common sense. Don't listen to what people say on the internet, look at the statistics.

Emervila · 2019-11-15T17:01:49+00:00

Are you saying Woke liberal soyboys aren't attractive despite they have deconstructed their masculinity and they're not toxic anymore?

laughs in toxic high testosterone level

A piece of advice from TRP, never trust women words you believe what they do not what they say. Dothraki accent: It is known

washington_breadstix · 2019-11-15T17:08:57+00:00

No, I don't lie. My guy has a less than perfect body shape thanks to being a little overweight and scarred from a previous surgery. In spite of that, he still has broad shoulders as well as powerful arms and hands. I love watching him beat those strong man games at fairs and amusement parks. So from a personal perspective, I definitely prefer demonstrable feats of strength as opposed to signaling and peacocking. I will always encourage a man to pick up a trade that involves working with his hands, even as a hobby, over becoming a gym rat.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-11-15T16:54:31+00:00

female rating of male pictures is not rating for sexual attraction

FlavFal · 2019-11-15T16:53:49+00:00

Sometimes I think I make some men uncomfortable when I talk about dick size, but I'm not sure if they really care.

properminting · 2019-11-15T19:48:28+00:00

SO TRUE. My man is very big and muscular kinda guy and in general I am very much into all this NFL body kinda look and I am very open about it among my girlfriends to the point they tease me about it. But among male friends or colleagues when the question a la "what is your type?" pops up, I always come up with some bs to avoid being judged

Bntt89 · 2019-11-15T23:16:54+00:00

I kinda find it funny how women are like " tall guys make me feel safer" but then you ask them about body types they say it doesn't matter? Wouldn't a more fit body seem safer in the same way?

goatismycopilot · 2019-11-15T16:43:03+00:00

I know who I find attractive and I do not see how I would face a social backlash from stating it, I don't get it. You can find somebody attractive but not be interested. This is male projection, they find body parts attractive, I think that many women say I find this attractive and they just get ignored, usually when men are asking those sorts of questions of women what they want to know is if the women find them attractive, not a specific body type.

OmarsDamnSpoon · 2019-11-15T17:21:45+00:00

I mean, a preference for healthy and active makes sense to me.

2019-11-15T16:39:46+00:00

They like STRONG looking bodies, so not necessarily ripped like they are competing tomorrow level. Also from the article - “Our data couldn’t find even a single woman that preferred weaker or feminine male bodies.”

Well, duuuuurrrr! Even skinny fit men like runners have masculine bodies.

As for me I love a fit man and sexy built body and have no shame in that game. However, like most women, the body shape sits on a spectrum and is adjustable based on other characteristics of the guy. I'm not going to be disappointed or feel like I settled for a guy that's more on the skinny fit side. Unlike men I know who love to air their disappointment in certain physical features that I lack in.... It's something I've heard and girls I know heard for decades.

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flamingoinghome · 2019-11-15T17:35:45+00:00

Ah, yes, I remember the last time a gang of disembodied, headless torsos was hitting on me. I definitely went for the one with the abs.

Question4Women: Do you lie about what kind of men you find attractive? Do you do it to avoid social backlash against you or to avoid hurting men who might hear you?

No. But here's the thing guys on here never get: when women say they're not that into ripped guys, it's because they're not thinking of disembodied torsos, they're thinking of actual men they've actually met. And having the most attractive torso in a photograph is such a small/irrelevant part of whether I'm attracted to an actual man, that it's not worth mentioning.

HeckleandChide · 2019-11-15T16:42:51+00:00

Women don’t necessarily lie. It’s more that their own sexual drives tend to be more subtle, even to themselves. As such, they can deceive even themselves about why they feel the way they do. It’s the hamster spinning.

Men do the same shit, of course, just in different areas. Our brains are wired to be much more direct on the area of sexual desire. It’s not hard to figure out what I like when my dick starts to swell when a chick with a firm, round ass walks by but doesn’t when a chick with enormous tits moves past. I’m an ass man.

Girls, however, usually aren’t that direct by their own admission. It’s just more subtle and thus less detectable.

sadomasochrist · 2019-11-15T17:16:04+00:00

This study isn’t typical if they established that visual rather than actual strength was more strongly correlated. Other studies have found linear correlation to actual strength. Did they separate these variables out?

BumblingBeta · 2019-11-15T17:31:43+00:00

I do not lie, I am flat out telling you YET AGAIN that I pick men based on looks. Always. Bodies matter, no kidding?

worriednoodle_ · 2019-11-15T18:03:11+00:00

That goes both ways

nevomintoarce · 2019-11-15T18:11:35+00:00

No, I don't lie about finding fit men attractive and I hate the "dad bod" propaganda.

wtknight · 2019-11-15T18:34:20+00:00

Not only does this study not rate actual sexual attraction but just aesthetic attractiveness, it's not even universal AWALT. The study cited by OP asked women in Australia and Oklahoma what types of bodies they find attractive. This study shows that Chinese women actually prefer men with average bodies over ones with muscular bodes. This likely shows that what body type people find physically attractive has a cultural component.

In addition, this study shows that a majority of both men and women in an African refugee population preferred overweight people of the opposite gender.

darla10 · 2019-11-15T20:33:05+00:00

I don’t lie about it. Married a hot buff guy. I did lose some social points in the FSM.

Truedemocracy5 · 2019-11-15T21:06:11+00:00

Women lie about what they want because society dictates them to be kind and precious. Around their friends they will rip a guys dick size, body, height, etc

Men have always been honest. However even now that’s starting to change as less masculine men lie to appease feminists

LotBuilder · 2019-11-15T22:03:11+00:00

If you look at what types of guys the most attractive women are with when money and status are not figured in... and they are typically with the fit athletic looking guys. Not freak body builders but guys over 6’2 with muscle tone and definition.

As usual with women (and people in general) you can ignore what they say and just watch what they do.

2019-11-15T23:29:34+00:00

Alright, but women aren't primarly attracted to men based on their rippedness and so long as a man has other qualities, we don't care.

If you're solely asking women "which of these headless bodies do you prefer", they're not going to pick the dude that looks like he goes to the gym. Because you're ONLY asking their opinion on their bodies. And there are some women that prefer dad bods, they're outliers.

I don't lie at all about what I find attractive. Average to tall hispanic or "spicy white" (some slavic men are acceptable as well), tattoos, possible criminal record (no murder or sexual assault, and not a serial offender lol), slim to slim-fit build or even skinny fat, i don't care. The body is the last thing I care about provided not obese or malnourished or weird feminine hips.

xXxINCELFAGGOTxXx · 2019-11-16T00:06:10+00:00

Once and for all.

Dad bod != skinny fat

Dad bod != fat

Dad bod = Massive skeleton, which means a dude can easily build muscle mass. He just holds some fat on top of that. This is actually genetic advantage over having average bone mass and staying ripped all year around to show your "10 years transformation", meanwhile dadbod Joe holds 2 times more muscle mass. without even trying.

didosfire · 2019-11-16T02:18:38+00:00

hello i am a woman and find overly fit dudes gross. i hate that im even typing this but in anticipation of the response, i am thin, white, naturally blonde, conventionally attractive. both the appearance of that many muscles and the awareness of the obsession it takes to get to that point are large turn offs for me

allweknowisD · 2019-11-15T17:30:26+00:00

If we’re basing attraction on a headless body then I guess the torso with abs wins!

Mr_Smoogs · 2019-11-15T16:32:56+00:00

That’s really not surprising. Women lie much more than men for various social reasons. Maybe it’s to avoid hurting feelings or just to appear more moral.

I had have a coworker who said a dude she went on a date with was unfortunately too short. I asked her why she wanted to date tall men and she quickly answered “because I want to wear heels.” Maybe she lied for various reasons I’m not sure tbh.

Mulkvistee · 2019-11-15T16:58:30+00:00

No, I don't lie and it would be stupid to. I have a type that would betray any virtue signaling I tried to do. Never worried about hurting the feelings of men around me because those weren't conversations I had with men around. The most disgusting, objectifying and scandalous conversation I ever had about what I would do to a specific guy was with my mom just to mess with her. I think she sprained her eyeballs rolling her eyes at me, so there's that.

Skratt · 2019-11-15T18:03:42+00:00

When have women lied about finding muscular bodies more attractive than non-muscular ones? Lol, that will never be true! Does that mean guys who aren't built can't be attractive? No, but I strongly encourage doing it. I'll never complain about someone being fit. If all men were forced to start lifting now I'd be very happy and satisfied.

Do you lie about what kind of men you find attractive?

No.

Usually if you ask me for advice, the first thing I'll tell you is to lift. Before anything else. When you look at the RP sidebar, the first thing they tell you is to lift. It's very important.

Do you do it to avoid social backlash against you or to avoid hurting men who might hear you?

Nope. It's possible for men to be attractive without lifting so don't think that you have to be jacked for women to like you, but it helps...a LOT. So please go lift. XD We need more fit men in this country.

ChadThundagaCock · 2019-11-15T17:40:04+00:00

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angels-fan · 2019-11-15T19:18:52+00:00

And men without exception find a trim, hourglass body shape most attractive.

How is this news?

officerkondo · 2019-11-15T19:21:48+00:00

Do all of the women here not understand the joke of the Patrick Swayze/Chris Farley Chippendale's SNL sketch?

rus9384 · 2019-11-15T19:31:05+00:00

"All bodies are beautiful"

Unspoken: "to someone."

"I don't actually care about looks"

Never heard it.

"Dad bods are actually sexy"

TBF, you can have a dad bod and be muscular.

Ubermensch-1 · 2019-11-15T21:01:10+00:00

Part of this is unrealistic expectations of male bodies. While the article does address this point:

The research, published in Proceedings of the Royal Society B counters the idea that strength only makes you attractive to the opposite sex up to a point, where you are perceived perhaps as "too muscly" and become less attractive again.

Typical skinny-fat men barely register on most women's attractiveness scales, and most women consider ottermode/swimmer body to be the default male body. While the pics in the article are undeniably muscular, the "too muscly" most women are referring to is bodybuilder tier muscularity, which men aren't going to hit naturally anyways.

Shadow_Of_ · 2019-11-15T21:31:00+00:00

Liking muscular men isn't the problem, it's the dishonesty

anitapk · 2019-11-15T22:00:37+00:00

Yeah, I just think a muscular man is too high maintenance. Of course I mean men with a good body AND muscles, not someone who compensates with muscles. You know, gotta have large shoulders and narrow hips naturally, you're not going to gym all your life

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lycheenme · 2019-11-16T02:30:13+00:00

no i don’t lie. i have a specific type of body type i prefer but of course i’ll date outside of it. however, although i can appreciate the strength/aesthetic of a Super Ripped Bod, i also really don’t like how it looks compared to a skinnier, more feminine physique.

i’ve learned through trial and error that it’s what i am attracted to most in men, and that honestly the super ripped buff dude doesn’t do anything for me down there.

TotalBasturd · 2019-11-15T18:09:00+00:00

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MrBiggs- · 2019-11-15T16:56:04+00:00

I could see them lying or deflecting if asked in person but that’s it. I’ve never really heard them put an emphasis on having muscle. Guys usually admire this but they don’t care. They want height for sure but idk if they care about the physique that comes with it as long as they get the height they want.

rosyandthemachine · 2019-11-15T16:29:22+00:00

why would i lie? who cares? I legit don't find any sort of body type most attractive at all. I don't care about a man's body. I've dated men with moobs and hips, i've dated men with broad shoulders and amazing abs. oh well.

what matters to me is how attracted i am to them and how masculine they are.

i don't care too much about social backlash. i told a group of bernie socialists i voted for trump. it was an audible gasp in the room but oh well.

toddfan420 · 2019-11-15T20:06:14+00:00

ITT: women point out that their attraction to a man is based on a complex, weighted matrix of factors from physicality to status, and not just ripped body, inadvertently confirming OP's theory, and actually upping the anti by saying being ripped still isn't good enough.

Joking aside, this is great info for everyone.

We don't need to throw away everything females say about their attraction.

But it is totally possible women underestimate just how much weight the rippedness carries in their feelings. Maybe they don't lie to others as much as they lie to themselves.

It can take a huge amount of work to be ripped, as well as achieving a high status in life. Not a surprise that these are two areas that women understate when they talk about their attraction.

Their need to be agreeable comes into direct conflict with their ability to assess this area of attraction.

But it comes out in their actions. A guy they get with may tick all the idealistic boxes in the beginning, but as time goes on, the woman is likely to be increasingly bothered by her man's lazy body and lack of resources.

And that's fine

i_have_a_semicolon · 2019-11-15T16:44:04+00:00

Without exceptions ? Hmm.

PickUpScientist · 2019-11-15T17:05:32+00:00

I recently read a follow up study that provided some more interesting details to this obvious reality that women lie about for reasons unknown:

However, some support for our hypotheses is provided by the dichotomous ratings of whether a given muscle affects men’s attractiveness. In these dichotomous (yes/no) ratings, women and men consistently indicated that muscles in the upper body were important to men’s attractiveness, whereas almost no muscles in the lower body were rated as important by more than 50% of the sample (with the exception of glutes). This offers at least partial support for the hypothesis that upper-body muscles contain more information relevant to mate value than the lower body. Further, this agrees with recent evidence that men’s upper-body strength accounts for most variance in men’s bodily attractiveness (Sell et al., 2017), as well as broader research showing that muscularity is an important component of men’s attractiveness (e.g., Dixson et al., 2010; Gray & Frederick, 2012).

so get on those squats, gentlemen.

lunchtimereddit · 2019-11-15T17:22:36+00:00

Woman still find confidence as the most desirable attribute.

LillthOfBabylon · 2019-11-15T17:46:43+00:00

But it appears that in social scenarios women usually lie

WTF? No one is saying muscles aren't attractive. This sub acts like that's the ONLY thing that matters.

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TotalBasturd · 2019-11-15T16:43:16+00:00

Hey OP: Can you include more information from the relevant link in your own words?

Thinkingard · 2019-11-15T17:45:56+00:00

Just watch magic mike and you will know what all women want.

theambivalentrooster · 2019-11-15T18:07:55+00:00

literally useless garbage study remove the heads and women will still prefer guy on left to guy on right

DubsPackage · 2019-11-15T18:18:55+00:00

Depends what they mean by "ripped."

I never believe studies because it always seems cherry-picked, and you have studies contradicting studies which contradict studies.

In my experience, women don't like really big beefy guys.

I think they like functional strength, functional fitness, a little bit of bicep cleavage, not some massive dude who looks like the incredible hulk.

That being said, you still have to have an attractive personality, she's not just gonna jump on your dong without talking to you first, and if you don't sound like a normal human it won't matter how good your body is.

diffdedbed · 2019-11-15T18:28:56+00:00

Women like fit men? No shit.

Women aren't only attracted to body type? No shit.

Everything is on a sliding scale and we all have different sliders.

Basically you are better off being fit while dating but it doesn't mean it's the only factor or that you will always be better looking to all women.

tiposk · 2019-11-15T18:37:51+00:00

Question4Women: Do you lie about what kind of men you find attractive? Do you do it to avoid social backlash against you or to avoid hurting men who might hear you?

I don't lie. Everybody in my circle of friends knows that I find Tom Holland to be fuckable. Everything being equal, women will almost always prefer muscular/fit men. I have no idea who lies about that. The question is how much of a requirement a nice body really is. Many women would happily accept an average guy who's got other qualities.

Sionnach1776 · 2019-11-15T18:44:38+00:00

Is this news to anybody, I mean anybody here?

mistresswhat · 2019-11-15T18:53:44+00:00

I'm always going to like a nice set of abs and I've never lied about it.

I've also been very attracted to men who didn't have them, and I wasn't lying about that either.

learn2earn89 · 2019-11-15T18:59:52+00:00

Honestly, face is the most important factor for me. However, I noticed that the last two guys I had a significant attraction to were tall and had broad shoulders with large, long bony fingers. They aren’t ripped but they have that broad, tapered physique. But again, those type of men are rare, so it’s not like I have that option, especially as a below average woman.

meeselbon573 · 2019-11-15T21:08:20+00:00

Wait, women lie to sound less shallow than they are?!?!?!?

coconutismyreligion · 2019-11-15T21:55:17+00:00

Depends on size of muscles. I had friends who preferred abit of chub lol. Not me tho lol

slavicgypsygirl · 2019-11-15T22:00:42+00:00

I like & usually date athletic men which is something everyone knows about me irl

I have never lied about that even when I am looked down on for it

hereiamtosavetheday_ · 2019-11-15T22:01:47+00:00

Exception chiming in. Rickman did NOT do push-ups. Weedy intellectuals have their own fan base.

matrixpush · 2019-11-15T22:04:13+00:00

Being proportional & toned is more important than Mr Olympia, of course, studies lie too

AdolfGandi · 2019-11-15T22:39:43+00:00

It takes a literal idiot to not know this. I'm not even in shape either but this is common sense.

Wallstreet3 · 2019-11-15T23:03:12+00:00

In another controversial study, it was proven that water is wet.

Superfluous_Toast · 2019-11-16T02:16:25+00:00

No, I don't lie about what I find attractive, despite everyone on here assuming I do. I don't care for any sort of visible muscle on a man, that includes abs or anything you would call "toned". While I tend to prefer a slimmer silhouette when I care at all, I prefer my guy on the softer side when I hug him. So, skinnyfat, I guess.

Timeisnao · 2019-11-16T02:31:12+00:00

I read this as women without erections.

mgtowco · 2019-11-16T02:48:32+00:00

It could be men with higher testerone have higher evels pheromones. https://www.naturallyhard.net/pheromones-testosterone-attraction/

RF111164 · 2019-11-16T04:11:49+00:00

Do you lie about what kind of men you find attractive? Do you do it to avoid social backlash against you or to avoid hurting men who might hear you?

Nope; I'm too selfish to be a people pleaser/give a fuck.

Plus, being open about that prevents leading people on and saving time, effort

To me, A guy's body is only a small factor

Erens_rock_hard_abs · 2019-11-16T04:17:52+00:00

Lol, the actual research concludes nothing close of what OP is reporting.

First off; the actual data of the research doesn't even include what is rated more or less attractive; the only data published is the relationship between the individual's personal assessment of the strength of the body and the attractiveness thereof which is correlative.

There are basically two things the research answers

How accurate is the subects assessment of the physical strength of the models based on the pictures shown
To what point does the participant's assessment of the physical strength correlate with rating of attractiveness.

The research established that rating physical strength highly correlates with attractiveness. It also shows however that the participants weren't that amazing at assessing physical strength and that some models that were actually strong were rated weak, and in reverse.

Finally, it at no point says that "ripped" is preferred; it doesn't even indicate that "ripped" models were used at all; in fact, the research did not even publish all the pictures used; there's only a single example photograph given

marbor496 · 2019-11-16T04:58:59+00:00

Yeah, no shit this is true, how is this a study

grand_tiremaster · 2019-11-16T06:47:45+00:00

Obese men = not good for sex, sweaty, ya have to help give them baths

Skinny/lanky men = not good for sex, very uncomfortable cuddling, may as well be resting your head on a pile of cinderblocks, they don't gain weight no matter how much you feed them

Normal, healthy weight men with a bit of muscle = Ideal. Very nice. Excellent cuddling. Warm. Strong and good looking men.

Too ripped = eww

Thounumber1 · 2019-11-16T11:02:36+00:00

Lol this is obvious..

Redslif · 2019-11-16T13:35:24+00:00

Muscular & Ripped = Signs of Masculinity

The SJW brigade can virtue signal all they want but at the end of the day, they cannot override "Mother Nature's rules".

Also, i don't think women lie about it in order to not hurt men but they do it to not appear shallow i.e virtue signalling.

Oscar_L_de_Jarjayes · 2019-11-16T14:30:56+00:00

I personally don’t like muscular men because it makes me feel on edge a bit? I feel bad since I know that most guys aren’t out to hurt me, but if I can’t defend myself in a fight with him then In general I’d rather not make love with him. That’s just me though.

Spicychickenaholic · 2019-11-16T14:59:46+00:00

Why link to this source instead of the one it mentioned?

This initially appeared in the guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/dec/13/polish-up-your-pecs-women-prefer-strong-men-say-scientists

The actual paper: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819

2019-11-16T16:50:20+00:00

who doesn't know this?

spawnofthedevil · 2019-11-16T17:08:00+00:00

Idk I don’t lie about what I find attractive but I also don’t find gym ripped bodies attractive. I prefer men with a more overall musculature, like more of an athletes or a working man’s body I guess? My boyfriend played hockey and I love his body, he’s fit but isn’t like pretty boy I go to the gym all the time ripped.

satenmadpun · 2019-11-16T17:11:40+00:00

I have a lot of women to inform that sadly they apparently aren't real women lol.. Facetiousness aside though, this is actually existentially terrifying as a bisexual twink. I wouldn't be able to say this for sure but I doubt you would get the same response from men comparing a girl with a kind of boyish looking frame, small tits, etc., with a more "traditionally attractive" woman. A male body positivity movement is needed maybe? I like the Dad bod memes, though idk how real the love actually is lol.

modernmedusaa · 2019-11-16T18:02:23+00:00

THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING for the longest & is why I refuse to get with men I'm not overwhelmingly attracted to from the start now...and for me physique plays a big part. Why lie to yourself when realistically you don't like dad bods /obese men since you stay in shape...it will only be the reason you break up with them later. Most attractive women don't want their man to look too pretty, they want him to look strong, competent and energetic..for obvious reasons. For example, an average looking guy that has a 6pack/masculine presence will do way better than some tall dad bod dude who acts like a nervous immature teenager.

The reason I will be more attracted to men with ripped bodies is cos they've actually put in work to get like that- so it commands some respect. Also as a woman you respect the fact they care about their own health, staying in shape & being attractive to women. Women in shape don't want a man that is on the decline already. People generally get far comfier in relationships & put on weight so if they have a dad bod already, it doesn't fill you with confidence for the longhaul. The issue I think lies with the fact that some men that are real gym goers are bimbo chad types that play women/let it go to their head for putting in effort to their appearances & the dad bod men seem like less of a risk cheating...so women may pretend to overlook that for security, even if deep down they aren't sexually attracted to it (men get touchy if u bring up their weight). There is an association that muscular = egotistical...which I do get, a lot of men that hit the gym heavy think they can get by being an airhead asshole, even when pulling attractive smart women who stay in shape. You also get some men that live eat breathe in the gym& can't talk about anything else which gets a bit tiresome. So the idea is that the dad bod dude may be less egotistical...but I don't think that is often the case. I've seen plenty of men with dad bods who think they are gods gift or will cheat still.

It takes nothing to get a dad bod...just neglect... & it shows you aren't too bothered about keeping on top of your shit. It smells of complacency which generally will make women go 'meh'. When I spot a guy has a dad bod now I'm out- cos 9/10 times those men are lazy and insecure in bed. Its not even just a superficial physical thing, its a huge indicator of their lifestyle choices as well & their overall level of self awareness/motivation. Women don't have to work as hard as men in the gym to achieve the ideal desirable figure that most men like because most men truthfully do not want a woman who is anywhere near as muscular as them- they want her toned and in shape most times & they often want her to retain some jiggle to her ass. Also men are on average much stronger than women biologically speaking- hence why they are expected to lift more bc they are better built for it. So it makes me laugh when men who work out think they are 'special' snowflakes and deserve some huge ego /pat on the back bc they 'work harder than women' in the gym...when realistically speaking if women lifted the same weights as them they would feel emasculated. Like yes I respect you keeping fit, but don't act above women in shape because as a man, you are better built to lift heavier weights than women are lol.......... duh. Do these men realllly want their women to get on the same level and get a 6pack? Doubt it, so why do they complain 'wah wah me do more in the gym'?

Personally I think there is nothing wrong with stating you keep active and like that in a man. Some men will be responsive with that and put in effort, but most will get offended & weed themselves out.

2019-11-16T18:15:14+00:00

You really gotta wonder how many guys who are married or in relationships are basically being settled for when it comes to raw attraction... high divorce rates, dead bedrooms, high materialistic expectations (he has to "compensate"), underlying resentment, excessive "shit testing" behavior, and a host of other problems. I believe unattractive men are better off finding happiness and meaning in other areas of life besides having a partner - enjoy your freedom, go see the world, engage in a hobby you're passionate about, etc, etc.

Freevoulous · 2019-11-16T19:33:21+00:00

In fact, of the 160 women surveyed, not one found the unmuscled bodies more attractive.

160 sample. Are you guys even serious.

Windbag1980 · 2019-11-16T20:28:56+00:00

Duh. Hahaha.

MuleFool42 · 2019-11-15T17:25:29+00:00

I've been in many social situations where women were more than happy to talk about how hot a particular guy was in the presence of other men. It's wrong if men do it, but women seem to find it completely acceptable to do it, in my experience.

2019-11-15T17:48:25+00:00

Without six pack you have little sexual value to a woman. Everything can be compensated with height, face, status and esp. money.

Of course, I estimate all those lies, telling half truths, etc, and keeping men in the dark has destroyed the sex and love life of countless of men. But who cares? after all we are talking about mens lifes which are not very important overall.

2019-11-15T20:07:17+00:00

Never mind what attracts women, just look at the comments in this thread to see what repells women.

azevedro · 2019-11-17T05:11:05+00:00

This study is useless. It doesn’t account for face.

Fishyinthemiddle · 2019-11-17T22:57:20+00:00

That study was literally just using pictures. There are a ton of women who are sexually aroused by chemistry and emotional connection. Like if two guys have the same personality she'll choose the fit guy, but what your torso looks like is not that big a deal to 99% of women.

sardonumsparobot · 2019-11-18T01:56:21+00:00

In this short documentary, both men and women gave their opinions on optimal body types.

Men said that hour glass figures are most attractive. Women thought that men with muscular and somewhat low bodyfat physiques were most attractive. They did various tweeks to a an animated model on a computer screen to determine the most attractive man, physically.

Here's the video:

https://youtu.be/V2b9iWwDmYg?t=2192

It turns out that the low hip to waist ratio women did do better at speed dating. But it was the taller men by far who better at speed dating, not the more muscular men according to this. Probably no roiders there tho.

HairyAwareness · 2019-11-18T02:36:50+00:00

Does anyone have the study title? I’d like to read the actual paper

geyejoe7 · 2019-11-18T07:23:44+00:00

Sure they mind find them more attractive. That doesn't mean they are more likely to choose a partner that looks like that.

Maybe close to that, but not one of my friends ever expected to land a partner like that.

chocolatefondant21 · 2019-11-21T22:36:56+00:00

Do you really need a study to know what kind of body on a man is most attractive? I mean we all know what’s hot and what’s not instinctively. This feels like you want to call out women for trying to be nice or accommodating of men who don’t have perfect bodies.

Men lie too to avoid hurting women. We all know you love slim attractive women but you will say a bigger girl is attractive because you might still want to sleep with her and you don’t want to turn her against you.

ariesv123 · 2019-11-30T17:26:05+00:00

Tbh don’t both sides tell white lies? Who cares, it’s such a menial thing. The same exact thing can be said for men, I don’t see how it’s bad? People don’t wanna seem shallow, it’s human nature

Mikki_Dee · 2019-12-03T05:22:35+00:00

Being fit and healthy is great, but the more ripped a dude is, the more threatening he looks to me. I guess the more braver women are attracted to studs lol.

DanishAspie · 2019-12-05T12:10:45+00:00

So if I don't, then am I not a woman?

CBreann913 · 2019-12-08T06:25:23+00:00

I don’t lie about the men I find attractive. I don’t find “ripped” men attractive, but do find athletic and fit men attractive. I value maintaining a healthy lifestyle, by following a plant-based diet and going to the gym regularly. So my ideal man is someone who shares similar lifestyle interests and hobbies to myself, (like going to the gym) therefore, I take no shame in my attraction to muscular men. No one should take shame in “hurting others’ feelings”, when expressing what they’re attracted to because we all like what we like.

doomhandss · 2019-12-09T16:05:09+00:00

Late to this but I think the problem is with the conclusion that was drawn because it ignores context.

In the context of this study, women evaluated torsos and rated their attractiveness. The results weren't surprising. There are many attractive qualities about fit men that aren't just aesthetics:

1.) Someone with a better build demonstrates an ongoing, habitual commitment to self-improvement, because you can't look like that if you give up on yourself. 2.) Better physique is a sign of a healthier mate that will have a longer lifespan with a strong immune system. 3.) Exercise is a major de-stressor, and fit people tend to be happier, more confident, and more pleasant to be around than if that ame person did not exercise.

If asked by their peers in the same context, they would probably say the same thing that the women in the study said. However, they are not asked this question in the same context usually. Normally, they are asked what their ideal type is, and that is a much more complex question that encompasses more factors than a photo of a faceless torso.

Because of that, we can't really draw the conclusion that women lie about what they are attracted to. We just need to acknowledge that physique is a factor in determining what makes women attracted to certain men, but it can easily be overshadowed by the many other factors out there that makes a man attractive.

Tl;dr: a neutral study with a biased assumption for a conclusion.

HipsterTrudy · 2019-12-10T22:12:09+00:00

Every person regardless of gender ever: “No shit”

aleahc · 2019-12-11T21:12:43+00:00

it’s most likely not about “not hurting men” but more about not wanting to get harassed for having certain standards

WicGoingAnonymous · 2019-12-14T11:40:14+00:00

Old but I'll still reply.

I lie in public, because I truly don't care about how a man looks and then you always get "yeah you do, just be honest." and it's annoying.

Will I rate the ripped guy as more attractive if I get a line of photos, probably. Do I really care, no.

StrangerSkies · 2019-12-16T09:31:50+00:00

I really do prefer a dad bod. I find muscles unpleasant to snuggle against and dudes who put that much time into the gym generally aren’t my type.

2020-01-25T19:21:49+00:00

Women are attracted to hot men

In other news, water is wet. Commented on a 2 mo old thread because this is fucking retarded

old_pjsallday · 2020-02-22T17:31:45+00:00

I really think a muscular man is unattractive!!

LodgePoleMurphy · 2020-03-01T17:57:46+00:00

Absolutely true. Girls are suckers for muscles.

sensitivesmol · 2019-11-15T19:36:35+00:00

I don't like an extremely muscular body. I like some muscle, but I'm not tryna date the hulk.

DoneBeenHadBeenDone · 2019-11-15T17:04:17+00:00

This study is bullshit. I think buff guys are gross. I've always preferred skinny men. I wouldn't lie, to avoid hurting a mans feelings. Fuck y'all's feelings.

theo_shall_burn · 2019-11-15T22:16:47+00:00

Sample size 160? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...

Title	Study: Women, without exceptions, found muscular, "ripped" men most attractive; although in social contexts they lie to avoid hurting men around them.
Author	TotalBasturd
Upvotes	409
Comments	812
Date	November 15, 2019 4:24 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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