When women say they want "a little bit of muscle" on a guy they still mean a lot of muscle

Mrs_Drgree · 2023-07-04T13:38:38+00:00

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RevolutionaryFig929 · 2023-07-04T13:57:44+00:00

Noticed the same thing, but to be fair in RL most women are together with men, with normal untrained bodies ( maximum like cycling, running and football) .

However I noticed on the Internet women comment " we don't like muscles and gym guys" only to post images of people that have spent years training... as normal averagw physique

No-Assistant-2592 · 2023-07-04T14:41:33+00:00

I dunno, I feel like this isn't a woman only problem, or that we just misjudge the efforts for one gender.

I believe that most people don't know much about how muscle-building works. How to eat, train or how to measure progress.

Just look at how many believe that the sexual dimporphism in the human species is so big that each gender needs their own diet and training routine to get fit. People just don't know jack shit about this topic.

Hoopy223 · 2023-07-04T14:05:28+00:00

Behold the magic of steroids. The media sells it to you as “hard work” and “diet” lol.

When I was younger I worked out a lot and was in fantastic shape but it wasn’t until a cycle that I started to have “the look”.

Also I was amazed how many guys were using them at the gym. Young guys, teen football players, old guys, literally every guy who was buff, all of them were on the needle.

On the other hand you have people who completely give up and turn into fat slobs walking around in outlandish outfits with crazy hair, piercings etc.

Billsandasonom · 2023-07-04T16:55:11+00:00

Women who say they don't like muscles are either lying, don't want to admit it, insecure so they try to put down fit men, or like OP says deluded and ignorant as to what they actually mean - with plenty of women I've talked to agreeing. When they say "eww I don't like muscular guys" and are serious about it, they are referring to roided out freakshow meatheads.

Straight women as a group will always flock to and love naturally muscular fit men. In the same way again men go "I don't like women with makeup, I like the natural look" and think makeup without overdoing it means no makeup.

AnHonestExpression · 2023-07-04T13:16:48+00:00

Keep in mind most women don't go the gym or have any interest in steroid utilisation, so they don't have a realistic vision of the widespread nature of doping/enhancement drug usage in general sports.

When we say we want a dab bod, the immediate image that pops in our head is a Jason Momoa chest in perfect lighting.

In similar fashion if a guy mentions his friend being on the juice, we'd imagine something akin to a roid caricature like Phil Heath. Our view of steroid bodies is skewed, since we don't get much exposure to men being honest about additional chemical help that may have aided them in their journey to the desired physique.

dyngladfel · 2023-07-04T17:15:49+00:00

Whose saying that? You've presented this as though it's a definitive fact women are thinking Michael Phelps. He's definitely on the muscly side.

I agree that body standards have increased for men, along with women though.

VoltairesBarista · 2023-07-04T13:13:05+00:00

Phelps was a genetic freak nobody thinks that was a normal physique lol

baiser_vole · 2023-07-04T13:05:09+00:00

I personally know it takes effort and dedication to get that kind of physique. The message women are trying to get across is, we generally do not admire bulky bodybuilder type of physique that men admire. That does not get us to think, “Oh he has such big muscles! So masculine! I wanna be his damsel!” We aren’t saying any type of muscular look is easy to attain.

KirthWGersen · 2023-07-04T13:33:48+00:00

On the contrary:

Men's magazines show attractive men as having bigger muscles than in women's magazines.

And women's magazines show attractive women as being thinner than in men's magazines.

These are typical examples of one sex thinking X is attractive to the opposite sex, therefore more of X is more attractive, when in actual fact it is not.

Notanothrshitthrow · 2023-07-04T13:25:23+00:00

If you honestly think that most women expect a Phelps level physique when they say "I like a bit of muscle" then I don't know what to tell you, that's just pure delusion.

eonus01 · 2023-07-04T13:27:12+00:00

Attractive/ideal male body is much, much harder to achieve than the vast majority of people think and it includes the use of PEDs and 5+ years of effort.

Source: myself https://imgur.com/a/4EYsIxc with so called "swimmers body". Just work out 3 days a week for a year and you'll be like this, right? Attractive woman body does NOT ever need the use of PEDs and years of effort to achieve.

And yes I still have a very hard time dating, and my standards are not high.

Mrs_Drgree · 2023-07-04T13:16:18+00:00

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LoopyPro · 2023-07-04T13:56:51+00:00

When women say they want...

Don't listen to what they say, look at what they do.

AdOpen432 · 2023-07-04T13:00:42+00:00

Okay but like who said that women thought that was a swimmers physique, he's clearly not only getting that from just swimming women still have eyes lol.

Soloandthewookiee · 2023-07-04T14:54:36+00:00

There's a really weird obsession with lecturing women on how difficult it is to get muscular and I don't really get it. Like yeah, women like the Brad Pitt in Fight Club physique over the traditional Arnold type body. Yeah, both physiques are incredibly difficult to achieve. No, you don't have to look anything like either one of them to be successful with women.

Brandy96Ros · 2023-07-04T13:34:23+00:00

Well, men say they want curvy yet thin women who make up probably less than 10% of the female population. Only 8% of women have hourglass bodies. At the end of the day, both men and women will settle for average looking people, despite finding muscles or curves more attractive. Most women do not require their man to have muscles. For me, I prefer a handsome face over a muscular physique.

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kai77kai77 · 2023-07-04T18:53:29+00:00

I think that guys are blown out by that single interaction they had with a tepid women but if I had to tell the amount of nuts ve encountered in my life you'll be amazed. And just for the record, I was 18yo, hair up to my bottom, objectively pretty. Went out on a date and guy said, "if you turn a little bit you can almost be pretty" now do I hold any resentment about Ken? He'll no. I just think there are idiots everywhere and I had very poor judgement regarding partners. You can all grow up and acknowledge there are idiots everywhere.

philseven12 · 2023-07-04T22:18:04+00:00

It depends on the type of guy. Women wont ask for big muscles on a guy who looks like Johnny Depp.

But other guys women will demand he needs to be built like a DBZ character, in my experience.

Most women don't care about what's practical or realistic. The only "right" way to be a man in the eyes of women is to be tall and handsome.

They don't care about the character of the person on the inside they just want a image and a man who doesn't match that ideal is less than human to them

Downtown_Werewolf_44 · 2023-07-05T05:40:54+00:00

That's one big missunderstanding between men and women.

When a women say "I'm not into muscular guys", guys thinks that she is into regular unathletic skinny dude. But what the girls have in mind by muscular is mister olympia type of physics. Ryan Glossing in crazy stupid love or Brad Pitt in Troy falls into the "regular" definition.

I work out 6 days a week, watch my diet, sleep well and I have a great body. I'll always be amazed by the number of women who think I'm having that body by doing some cardio shit once in a while.

Vronicasawyerredsded · 2023-07-04T13:20:36+00:00

Ain’t nobody looking like Michael Phelps, other than Michael Phelps. He’s 6” 4 with a 6” 7 wingspan. His body shape is actually weird. He is or at least was for a time the BEST at an incredibly difficult sport. He’s literally a “once in a century” type of human. He won the birth lottery in just about every way.
Women who say they want a guy built like “Michael Phelps” like they’re not asking for a one-in-several-billion humans are like men who say “I like women who are “curvy”, you know, like Marilyn Monroe”. MM body was weird yet freakishly desirable and she was beyond just beautiful.

So, like, seriously, those kind of people who say that flippant shit should be told to just fuck right on off and take their unrealistic standards someplace else and no one should think about them very hard or care what they think.

Women like whatever muscle amount on a dude that initially gives her a sense that he’s healthy, capable, and safe. Too little may initially give her a sense of the opposite. Similar in the way hip to waist ratio gives the outward appearance of fertility and health. But how that it’s translated is subjective from person to person. Most people don’t expect to end up with a freakishly physically attractive woman person. Most people end up with someone who is at the same “level” they are. Most people don’t want to end up in a relationship with someone well beyond their same level because of insecurities, as everyone is insecure about something.
Most people end up with someone. It’s rare for people to be forever alone. Rarely does that happen for a lifetime. When it does, it’s usually due to a. some unfortunate circumstances, OR b. most likely and most of often, that person is just such and unbearable asshole that they’re just reaping what they’ve sown.

LovesGettingRandomPm · 2023-07-04T14:09:13+00:00

Why do you jump immediately to michael phelps with the word swimmers physique he's like the top swimmer, I'd wager if you showed women that picture it would be bordering too much muscles

Barneysparky · 2023-07-04T13:28:01+00:00

My mother and I had a brief conversation about the WASP butt a few weeks ago.

Beauty standards for both sexes have gotten extreme, the problem I have with the guys here (not in real life, as any guy who gets his hairy back waxed understands) is they think the only thing that takes effort is weightlifting.

Those round asses you like so much take a hell of a lot of effort to get or go through medical procedures. Instagram-type women spend hours a day on their appearance, and without that effort, they would not have that appearance.

Yes, beauty standards have exploded, for both men and women.

My husband cycled when we first met, his body was pretty amazing, but when he couldn't cycle anymore I still loved his body.

himbobaggins69 · 2023-07-04T16:10:45+00:00

I’m a woman who’s certainly far from redpill but I completely agree with this

KayRay1994 · 2023-07-04T13:46:47+00:00

that’s a lot of words for “my opinion on women’s preferences come from what other men tell me women’s preferences are”

puddingbike · 2023-07-04T13:54:58+00:00

CMV Disagreement

Once again, forget about what everyone SAYS about anything. Forget about magazine articles. See how things ACTUALLY play out in the REAL WORLD.

With women in the REAL WORLD, forget all this talk here and elsewhere about women wanting a "swimmer's physique" etc. That's not how it actually works when it comes to picking-up women for short-term hook-ups and such.

Being tall and lean with a smooth sociability is more than enough to succeed with A LOT of women. No need to spend much time in the gym...or really any time there. The absolute requirements are height, leanness, handsome face, style and charm. That's enough to carry a man. The gym physique isn't needed in THE REAL WORLD.

People can talk here and anywhere about what they think, etc. I just relay how it actually plays out in life.

Nihi1986 · 2023-07-04T15:01:55+00:00

Why not? They are already dating way above their league whenever they want as long as they look average-ish...might aswell openly go after unnatural body builder types too.

With how broken the market is in its natural state (women in extremely high demand and men having next to no standards) they can start thinking that me being in my adequate weight happened after three weeks of not eating fast food, or that a bulky body builder just have been hitting the gym for half a year and avoiding fats... doesn't matter, they don't appreciate shit unless they are attracted or interested on the guy and even then they won't really appreciate the effort it took to get there, they will only appreciate the benefits.

rosesonthefloor · 2023-07-04T19:12:02+00:00

I don’t know, I guess it depends on the woman…. My boyfriend has a bit of a beer belly but I still swoon over his strong arms, and he’s very functionally strong with some pretty crazy grip strength (perks of a blue-collar job).

So when I think “a little bit of muscle” I think “strong enough to open the stuck thing or lift the heavy thing or pick me up if needed”.

But YMMV 🤷🏼‍♀️

UpbeatInsurance5358 · 2023-07-04T13:42:44+00:00

It sounds more like you're still going by the male fantasy body rather than who women actually pick.

Rhinosaur666 · 2023-07-04T14:03:48+00:00

How do you know what women think of you've never been wjth one?

Rach1943 · 2023-07-04T14:53:38+00:00

the amount of effort to achieve a body that elicits arousal from the opposite sex (given all other things equal) is 10X for men versus women.

Men: Hit the gym 3-5x a week all muscle groups for 2 years minimum to add 20-30lbs muscle bass, diet down. make sure you hit everbody part

Women: Do Squats and Abs 3x a week for 6 months.

Sabrepill · 2023-07-04T16:07:53+00:00

People here lump all women and most women together and it’s silly. Different women like different things. Hot women usually have higher standards than “most women”. Hot women typically like hotter guys. Taller and more muscular and leaner (all to an aesthetic ideal) than competing males.

Green-Quantity1032 · 2023-07-04T14:44:31+00:00

Both of your 'swimmers physique' people are really muscular and no woman would say that's not a lot of muscle - the first guy is almost too much, the second is disgusting.

The Sean Connery thing - I don't know, it's from before they invented Chest-Press so I don't even know how to treat that.

I'm 5'11, 66kg and 15%bf, when I take off my short girls really like my body I think.

But walking around maybe I'm a bit on the small side - but 5'11 and like 72kg with 15%bf and you'll be considered hot by most women - that's not really that hard if you start-out young and do it right.

Men need to put in a lot of long-term effort to look really good - but the reward is greater

Secure1Ad1991 · 2023-07-04T14:20:57+00:00

You are not right. Women can say what they want - don't pay attention to what they say. As long as you stay around 15 percent or lower bodyfat, and have a decent V taper, you are good to go. You can achieve this by going to the gym a few years. However, the difficult part is not eating like a pig.

Just by being around 15 percent body fat and having a bit of V taper puts you ahead of 80 percent of men. Women WILL LOVE IT. I went through the transformation and I catch women staring at me (the first ones who will notice it will be married women and MILFs who stay in unhappy marriages with fat, bald guys, so women 35+).

TSquaredRecovers · 2023-07-04T17:41:44+00:00

And here we have another example of a man explaining to women what they want, despite women telling them otherwise. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

Eastern-Will77 · 2023-07-04T13:51:23+00:00

I don't care what women want and everyone can have their preferences even if it's somewhat delusional. What bothers me though for example are women who don't workout at all yet expect to land a guy who works out all the time.

AstronautLoveShack · 2023-07-04T14:49:54+00:00

I have never dated a man with muscles until I met my husband. I generally am drawn to skinny long haired men, or sometimes to bigger men with dark hair and eyes. I don’t have a preference in hair or eye color for skinny guys, just the chubby ones.

My husband is athletic and goes to the gym. He lifts and he golfs. But he also has had some medical issues so I have seen him at varying physiques over the last 10 years - buff, sickly thin from illness, a dad bod from not working out and overindulging on ice cream or whatever. My attraction has not waned for him at any weight, though when he gets too thin I do worry.

Sabrepill · 2023-07-04T15:57:18+00:00

You’re forgetting that men are compared to competing males. We live in a time where competing males are abusing bullshit like trt, sarms, and steroids to have an unfair advantage in muscle size and leanness while they are young in exchange for accelerated aging and more likely poor health outcomes when they are older.

You can still get to amazing levels naturally but it takes discipline and consistency that most people don’t have. Most people are dumb and impatient

Natural physiques are the best in my opinion but take years of consistency and discipline to achieve. Not weeks, not months, years.

And yes most women have no concept about what it takes to have a nice physique. They call dad bods to men who have trained their entire life then went on vacation for a month and got a tiny layer of fat over a ton of muscle. They literally called Jason mamoa a dad bod when he was slightly less lean with an nfl players amount of muscle

beleidigtewurst · 2023-07-04T16:00:04+00:00

Real people in the wild didn't look 'muscly' or whatever view of idealized masculinity you have.

Huh?

Native Indians in the movies, I was told, are pretty spot on, have slim, quite muscular bodies too.

People need to stop pretending that our attractiveness preferences can be easily induced by society. If that was the case, we would be able to "teach" gays to be heterosexual.

sayittentimesfast · 2023-07-04T16:06:25+00:00

Some patently ordinary women, some quite overweight, seem to think they're entitled to what amounts to a male fitness model or some guy that turns heads when he's shirtless.

And that's okay, whether or not they're getting what they want.

They have every right to have high - or even impossibly high - standards.

Why is this even an issue, honestly?

PrinceArchie · 2023-07-04T20:55:00+00:00

I noticed a distinct difference when I stilled lived in the US and when I moved to Japan. I’m the US my lean and small muscular frame is considered often times to be anemic. Coworkers, friends and even family would say that I am too skinny. The only exception to this was when I was actively running track and had my muscles defined even more. However whenever they suggested I change anything it would be to eat more and get bigger muscles.

I’m Japan…. I already have a good body lol. Ngl it’s kinda crazy.

obviousredflag · 2023-07-04T14:16:51+00:00

You don't need any muscle to have top 1% sexual partners and a committed girlfriend. There are many ways to reach that state. You also don't need to be rich or a model.

GoldenHornyChicken · 2023-07-04T14:02:37+00:00

I know it takes a lot of efforts, and that's exactly why I don't like guys with muscles. The time they spend at the gym looking at themselves like little Narcisses is lost for any other interesting shit going on in their life. Friends, hobbies, passion... They have nothing except a self consciousness about their belly buttons... That's boring. And sad.

Chad_Thundercock717 · 2023-07-04T14:54:51+00:00

Women like functional muscle. Guys that work for it. Oil rig workers, for example.

eleventwenty2 · 2023-07-04T15:49:39+00:00

My personal preference for male body type is "slender" like Tyga or MGK, I find this the most attractive and attainable. I think a lot of straight women (I'm bi) see gender binary as a rigid thing whereas people like me see it as a grey area, so they expect extremes. A man is an regardless of his muscle mass andt he doesn't have to look or be a certain way to be a man. I hate stereotypes and misinformation

Cethlinnstooth · 2023-07-04T23:43:35+00:00

No dude. What I mean is look like you could help me move furniture and not be the first one of us crying out for a break to rest. Is that really too much to ask of the gender whose testicles dose them with natural testosterone 24/7?

Also don't diss on the physiques of hunter gatherers. When you're walking everywhere carrying your spear and carrying game back to camp it builds a better body than most modern office workers who game in their time off have.

Ok-Supermarket-6747 · 2023-07-05T03:10:39+00:00

Good job! Shoot low so we’ll settle!

This is fine but he’s probably 6’6. Really Tall men can’t keep the weight on them they’d have to be eating all day

arabiandoll · 2023-07-05T06:50:19+00:00

Idk I just like big men. I guess genetics are important not just weight lifting. Some men are just naturally big :)

BigVulvaEnergy · 2023-07-04T17:45:36+00:00

It's not that hard to look like The Rock.

Guys who complain about not having muscle just need to try harder. Smile more and be more agreeable.

magiksissclit · 2023-07-05T04:09:17+00:00

What a weird way to tell us you’ve never interacted with a woman before

VividlyDissociating · 2023-07-05T00:38:13+00:00

thats not a lot of muscle.. thats just built and lean. either one is fine with me.

a lot of muscle is that bulky muscle men get from steroid use. i absolutely do not want that.

NJFlowerchild · 2023-07-04T15:04:33+00:00

Sean Connery and the other men not weirdly posed.

They have a LOT of muscle.

TelevisionGloomy5458 · 2023-07-04T15:22:14+00:00

Lol, well yes. I’d like the man to have more muscle than me. Might be helpful in life, in general. I’m 5’6” 138 pounds and I can do chin ups for reference and weight lift 3-4 times a week. So yep, women are attracted to muscles. But the dude in the photo has my arms and I’m a chic. Lol

purplish_possum · 2023-07-04T15:22:57+00:00

There are 25 million of hunter gatherers still alive this day, and they're skinny and smaller than the resto of the wrold population.

Remaining hunter gatherers live in remote areas on less than ideal land. Of course they're small and skinny. That's all their land will support.

Lovers691 · 2023-07-04T16:10:13+00:00

While I do I agree with the general thought I have some things to correct:

Sean Connery was bigger and leaner as a Mr. Universe competitor, not by so much but still he looked better.
Those swimmer physique's are typically edited by swimming shills, at least I know Phelps was edited to make him look bigger.
Physique doesn't factor as much in female attention as much as after leaness(12-15% bodyfat), it might increase her attraction to you but it won't be the make or break factor. The level of diminishing returns for women is easy for most men to achieve and is most likely this which isn't too difficult to achieve if you have average genetics.
Also most women do not find the sleekntears gigachad to be attractive and not just talking about his face
Muscular bodies were possible, hunter gatherers aren't the only premodern societies. That guy in the pic is from an African agrarian society and he's pretty muscular and lean.

eeekkkgg · 2023-07-04T16:29:55+00:00

I disagree with this. The most popular body type among women in my experience right now is more svelte that that. As long as you're not overweight, you're doing better than most in many countries.

Enough_Chemistry3258 · 2023-07-04T16:56:07+00:00

Ill put it to you this way... they never say "i want no muslce" so when they specify they mean extra. On top of some decent base level of strength.

xKalisto · 2023-07-04T17:02:06+00:00

PewDiePie is a basic bitch ass influencer and he's got muscles without being Olympic level swimmer. The truth is that women/people can't tell between normal muscles and sport muscles they just don't mean super buff bro and they don't want a tub of lard.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pewdiepie/comments/1243x4c/has_pewdiepie_talked_about_what_his_current/

My hubby had very nice pecs with just super basic gym.

RealLifeNurseJackie · 2023-07-04T17:19:41+00:00

I’ve always been into more of a Kevin James type than a Michael Phelps personally. Strong doesn’t always equal muscular.

My husband works a seriously labor intensive job (underground pipe laying) and he’s strong, but definitely more on the curvier than curvy side and it’s the sexiest thing to me!

resultsmatter1 · 2023-07-04T18:12:19+00:00

TIL I coulda been a body builder whenever this was

AliochaK1109 · 2023-07-04T18:36:38+00:00

I dunno man. I'm tall, and pretty decent looking, but i'm also a skinny fucker. I'm pretty fucking far from a swimmer. More like an MGK or Pete Davidson. But some women kinda like my physique, for some reason.

tinableuu · 2023-07-04T18:53:05+00:00

Its comes down it you

SwimmingTheme3736 · 2023-07-04T18:59:39+00:00

I personally prefer a more normal looking man 🤷‍♀️

Flightlessbirbz · 2023-07-04T19:12:06+00:00

Many women do have a skewed perception of what a “gym body” looks like… what they don’t like is a professional body builder using steroids, usually. Same as men who say they don’t like implants or makeup but only notice the huge ridiculous looking ones or overdone makeup.

That being said, no woman is gonna think Sean Connery isn’t attractive.

killer_tofu101 · 2023-07-04T19:15:34+00:00

Meh I just wanted someone who wasn’t obese tbh. I mean I only work 2-3x a week myself for health. Some central adiposity was definitely not a turn off and I chose men with guts over men with defined abs.

I was definitely pickier in other areas though like similar interests and what I thought about their intelligence.

BackAgain12345678910 · 2023-07-04T21:36:45+00:00

I wish that’s all it took. Getting jacked is easy if you like science.

mrbesito · 2023-07-04T22:37:58+00:00

The redpill focus on this is very strange to me. All of the science I've seen shows that women don't care that much about their men being muscly. Other things are far more important, so why focus on this so much? It's important when you're looking at a study that asks "do you prefer x or y" to remember that this type of questions does NOT tell you if they care a lot or a little about this thing. They might prefer it, but not really care much about it.

Furbyenthusiast · 2023-07-04T22:46:35+00:00

I like twunks.

dumbbitchcas · 2023-07-05T01:15:30+00:00

Most women I know do not want a guy like this, at all. I probably go for the biggest guys in terms of muscularity of all my friends and i rlly don’t play hard and fast with it, go for a wide array haha. Most girls I know like super skinny guys or beefier/dad bod types. Truth be told, most women I know aren’t picky with guys bodies in the slightest.

basedmama21 · 2023-07-05T02:42:09+00:00

Nope. We just don’t want you to look like Adam Levine or Travis Barker or Machine Gun Kelly. Malnourished and lanky.

Anything with more meat than that is perfect.

Six pack abs are not impressive to me. I’ve dated a bodybuilder before and that lifestyle is so strict that unless you’re doing it too, you’re not going to enjoy each other’s company.

FlyV89 · 2023-07-05T03:36:54+00:00

One thing that it's really funny to me is how women think being buffed is "doing some excercise", while being ripped must mean you are some kind of gym freak.

I got a lot more compliments over my body when I was 180lbs and kinda skinny ripped than now that I'm 200lbs (I'm 6.3').

Nicenap · 2023-07-05T06:31:51+00:00

I made a long post just now about the full reality of men struggles and I would appreciate your perspective on it

http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/14r27gy/asking_a_woman_for_relationship_or_dating_advice

Ill_Inspection5225 · 2023-07-05T09:39:25+00:00

This is just people who don’t weight train and how hard it is to gain muscle.

To be a girl with abs, nice ass and toned arms/legs can be really difficult if you’re not genetically blessed. I’m naturally built like a ruler and it took a year of heavy weight training and force feeding myself protein to get an ass.

Bear in mind we naturally hold way more fat than men and have lower metabolisms and testosterone.

SecondEldenLord · 2023-07-05T10:06:07+00:00

Most modern women will always lie about their physical preferences just to not seem shallow.

MooneySunshine · 2023-07-05T11:59:27+00:00

Nah, and i take it the deleted top comments agree.

Women want a guy like Chris Hemsworth, like guys want a girl like Gal Gadot.

Hot examples of people with likely annoying 4 hours in the gym a day lifestyles, who will never eat out with you, live off seafood, that don't really exist because you want the movie star versions.

And no. You are not in their league, no matter how much either gender runs their mouth. In part because, they don't really exist outside of movie magic.

Most women would think themselves lucky with Mr Average over here. Except here is likely the 'little bit of muscle' women are looking for.

Stunning-Potato-1984 · 2023-07-05T16:14:23+00:00

Nah. This is what I expect:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/10/this-is-the-average-mans-body/280194/

Title	When women say they want "a little bit of muscle" on a guy they still mean a lot of muscle
Author	Johnny_Autism
Upvotes	183
Comments	438
Date	July 4, 2023 12:06 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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