Are men accepting far less these days or has it always been like this?

MikeArrow · 2024-01-02T06:24:24+00:00

When it's nearly impossible to get any sort of attention from women, it's only natural to cling onto whatever you can get for dear life.

SlowEffective8146 · 2024-01-02T18:46:01+00:00

It just shows how far the scales have tipped in women's favor. The average man has to have no standards or boundaries otherwise he'll just end up alone.

Honestly this is the reason why men need abundance. Men need to be able to throw their weight around in a relationship so shit like this doesn't happen.

jamacianmecrazy67890 · 2024-01-02T06:59:32+00:00

The dating apps and social media have made it very difficult for the average man to be successful. They don't have the power to demand better because they can be replaced in 5 minutes, they just have to accept whatever they can get. Either that or be long term single.

Purple_Cruncher_123 · 2024-01-02T06:31:49+00:00

But it seems this is rare these days? Has it always been like this?

Probably. People were just much more likely to keep their business private. Men didn't commiserate the way they do now. They either suffer in silence or take advantage of their societal stature and abuse their wives in kind. Or they cheat. I think people overlook how common cheating was because it was so much harder to track and spot than it is now. There were dudes with secret families living just one town over.

There were also less social media and awareness of relationship dynamics in general. People are much quicker to volunteer and weigh in on each other's relationships these days. This sort of creates a 'common consensus' playbook on how to handle certain situations. But you also get polarizing opinions on things like infidelity. Some dudes might be drawn to certain positions that the rest of us are like "bro, have some self-respect."

Is it because of the troubles most men face with modern dating?

I disagree that it's due to modern dating specifically, but rather that modern dating comes with aforementioned variables which change how we approach it. I think we're just less patient in general, since everything is either a quick dopamine hit or bail. Relationships are just one context where that manifests. For men, it means they feel more pressure to lock down or seal the deal because they expect the window where women lose interest will be shorter. They also might feel pressure to let certain things go, including bigger things like cheating, because they're anxious they can't easily get another relationship.

It seems a lot of guys are just choosing to accept situations that are less than ideal because there is no alternative?

The alternative to be single is always there, but guys who don't get to explore relationships often probably don't feel like being single is a 'choice' so much as the default. On the one hand, I don't blame them for working with the best option they can get. On the other, choosing to relax all standards and accepting a bad option that leads to things like this is, at least in part, a self-own.

Electronic_West_1831 · 2024-01-02T10:57:26+00:00

It’s a sellers market - these women could dump their boyfriends and find dozens of potential dates on Tinder without the hour; the guy who gets dumped will find himself competing with dozens, in not hundreds, of other guys for every girl he swipes right on. Men are disposable, and once you’ve been cast into the purgatory of singlehood, getting out again is a Sisyphean struggle.

Substantial_Video560 · 2024-01-02T08:35:03+00:00

A lot of them are and it's a sad sight to behold. Never lower your standards and accept anything rather than nothing. I nearly made that mistake until I got my common sense and self worth back. We're worth more!

Nowadays I've no problem being single. A have a lifetime of experience of it. All I want now is a little peace & quiet.

Aggravating-Plant695 · 2024-01-02T12:40:09+00:00

Not everyone is capable of being single, maybe the lonliness gets to them, i think some people would rather stay in a toxic or bad relationship than face themselves while single

njm1602 · 2024-01-02T06:56:51+00:00

Tell ur boy to drop her. Wtf

AnalSexIsTheBest34 · 2024-01-02T11:13:50+00:00

Absolutely. The modern standards demand you to be a relationship athlete; always on top of your game, or else you will be quickly removed from the competition. For women to swoon over you today, you must literally maximise all your positive attributes and maintain them so, which is a very, very hard (and at times expensive) work. Most men are thus very discouraged that they can afford to be picky, since it seems apparent that a woman can always find a better option, and feel the need to take what they can get and hold on to it as fast as they can, regardless of how miserable they actually are.

Sea_Roll_2099 · 2024-01-02T06:36:38+00:00

As the supply of "good women" is dropping, it's only natural men have to lower their standards to what's available.

Mitago1 · 2024-01-02T17:05:14+00:00

Honestly i think people are ready to overlook some red flags if there are more green flags and they feel genuinely attracted to them and their personality.

Plus if we're being realistic most people have at least one red flag and not to mention what one person considers a red flag, somebody else might consider as an greed flag.

LilRedMoon__ · 2024-01-02T17:09:46+00:00

I think the tables are just turning honestly. So in a way, yes things have always been this way, but that shoe was always been on the other foot. It seems.

MetaCognitio · 2024-01-02T17:19:44+00:00

The bar for women’s behavior is non existent now. There were rules and social norms to restrain promiscuity, cheating, having nothing to offer, disgraceful behavior etc.

Some of them were even too harsh but they kept women in line because without them and with giving women the benefits afforded to men (without the responsibilities) society becomes lopsided.

It’s where we are now and the men that can’t cope with being alone, simply have to lower their standards. The men who have had their fingers burned in the flame learn it’s better to never tolerate that.

izzzy12k · 2024-01-02T20:06:22+00:00

Yeah, I found myself being a lil more passive on boundary lines.. but am quick to pull the plug, once they really get out of hand.

It sucks being alone, and dating prospects are very few and far in-between..

I think it's a thing that has become an issue in recent years. As an average guy didn't have issues dating back 7 to 10 years ago, like how things are now.

daddysgotanew · 2024-01-02T12:10:05+00:00

Most men have zero options at any given time. If they have just one, even if it’s half ass, it’s better than absolutely nothing.

And no, no amount of “self improvement” is going to make some average looking 5’8” dude desirable to more than maybe five women. All of whom will be very average themselves

SecondEldenLord · 2024-01-02T09:54:41+00:00

Yes, they are accepting far less because women's standards are becoming more and more ridiculous. When even a fat woman can get as many partners as a male celebrity, you know mens standards are very low.

ADP_God · 2024-01-02T14:02:21+00:00

I have a friend who is staying with somebody because he's worried he can't do better. They're happy now but she's been bad to him in the past. It's sad.

EmbarrassedClient283 · 2024-01-02T16:37:41+00:00

It is supply/demand, because it is hard to get women for most guys, they are willing to be push overs and eventually it backfires on them because women hate weak men

FullLifeguard · 2024-01-02T17:31:47+00:00

Yes they are for sure! My friend is marrying some chick who filed for bankruptcy at the age of 25yo, plus she also revealed 1 year into the relationship that she can’t have kids due to a surgery she had.

This simp still married her because he thinks he has no other choice.

Examples of me letting shit slide out of desperation myself:

1: let a chick with 3 kids spend the night 2 times without any sex

Going on a date with chick after she previously ghosted me
Entertaining way too many single moms out of desperation

Im a 26yo single male who works in finance, avg looking , no kids

Puzzleheaded_Card_71 · 2024-01-02T21:39:46+00:00

Sad but true that weak men let women exploit them. Better to be alone than be exploited but it takes, unfortunately, experience before most men realize this.

FebruaryEightyNine · 2024-01-02T09:47:14+00:00

Kinda.

I definitely think there is cultural pressure for men to accept relatively little in any relationship. Its also undeniable at this point that society is definitely more lax when it comes to holding women to cultural/behavioural expectations. However, the reality is sliightly different. Men are definitely more lax when it comes to what behaviours they're willing to tolerate from women but, to counteract that I actually believe men have become a lot more stringent in their standards for women physically. Competition on that front seems a lot tougher. For NYE I went to a pretty expensive restaurant that often attracts young couples. Every single women looked pretty well put together. Hell, I went out a few times during the latter stage of this year and was actually kinda impressed about how good a lot of the women looked. Yeah, guys standards have dropped in terms of what they're willing to accept in a relationship but I also think they've actually risen when it comes to what they're expecting physically. I cant imagine dating being any easier for an overweight/unattractive woman in 2023.

Kentaro009 · 2024-01-02T06:15:31+00:00

Basically, those men have a scarcity mindset, which in turn makes them less attractive to women, which also worsens their dating prospects due to lack of confidence.

They believe they are losers, and it is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Women find men who establish boundaries and push back a bit to be more attractive than doormats they can walk all over.

safestuff987 · 2024-01-02T16:08:01+00:00

Simps have always existed. There are a lot of guys out there who struggle to date, so they compensate for that by tolerating more bullshit than they want to.

In recent years though a lot of women are adopting the "I am the table" mentality, no thanks to TikTok and other social media rabbit holes during COVID. Of course, more confident men won't waste time putting up with their bullcrap, so their options are limited to men who are doormats, which many of them seem to be totally fine with.

It's really sad to see anybody, male or female, giving so much to a partner who does nothing but take.

Regular-Start3544 · 2024-01-03T00:58:00+00:00

As a 5'7 whatever i get I take i'm way too short to be taking demands it's ether that or the rope

Fl333r · 2024-01-03T05:41:32+00:00

I think it's just emotional investment. Bit of a sunk cost fallacy going on.

Narrow_Study_9411 · 2024-01-02T13:17:48+00:00

I would never put up with that. Yeah it's hard to find a gf, but you shouldn't allow yourself to be disrespected that way.

MasterTeacher123 · 2024-01-02T15:10:08+00:00

Most men have always just taken what they can get. The women they are with is the best girl they can bag.

basedmama21 · 2024-01-02T15:05:57+00:00

Men are becoming more outspoken and selective these days which I appreciate. Because in tandem, women are getting less traditional, more aggressive/unfeminine, more fat, and less reasonable.

anonymousUser1SHIFT · 2024-01-02T17:00:32+00:00

I think it's half half.

Men are having way lower standards due to loneliness or the constant battering of propaganda about how women are wonderful and all 10s with no mental or personality problems.

However, I also see a fair number of men who are going the other way and accepting far less.

FullLifeguard · 2024-01-02T17:32:34+00:00

Yes they are for sure! My friend is marrying some chick who filed for bankruptcy at the age of 25yo, plus she also revealed 1 year into the relationship that she can’t have kids due to a surgery she had.

This simp still married her because he thinks he has no other choice.

Examples of me letting shit slide out of desperation myself:

1: let a chick with 3 kids spend the night 2 times without any sex

Going on a date with chick after she previously ghosted me
Entertaining way too many single moms out of desperation

I’m an average looking guy who makes average money so I’m not surprised, but it’s really sad when we stoop way too low

anon1029436292 · 2024-01-02T07:17:51+00:00

Women do this too, stay with shitty men because they only seem to be able to find shitty men.

Its all bias. If your friends or mine can’t find a decent person of the opposite sex there is a reason for it, and until they work out that reason and address it then they will keep having this problem.

Cethlinnstooth · 2024-01-02T07:55:21+00:00

The dregs have always had to settle for other dregs or stay single.

Tight-Breeder · 2024-01-02T11:48:00+00:00

I had a conversation with a friend recently who came from a very bad background who struggled a lot in life and went through a lot of hardship growing up. He isnt from the western world but now lives in northern europe, same place as me.

He is one of the sharpest, toughest guys that i know. We were talking about teenagers/kids these days and how they are having extreme difficulties with slight problems, things he would classify as insignificant. He deduced that these problems exist due to them being too coddled and not conditioned to more hardship. After all, you can only deal with things you have experience of.

We also talked about being desperate and compromising values when you are desperate, and somehow connected being both soft (like the current generation of western kids) and also desperate at the same time, which creates a sort of pathetic male that we see today.

A lot of these guys who stay in these circumstances are simply too soft , too desperate or have a combination of both that prevents them from standing up for themselves and demanding respect.

I will also mention that women are less understanding less compromising and much more selfish and narcissistic than ever before, so that doesnt help.

But regardless, its pretty easy to have strict boundaries and just enforce them or get the woman out of your life.

flying-panda · 2024-01-02T15:32:07+00:00

Most men I've spoken to seem to be pretty strict about this stuff, even low key. Which I am ok with as a woman. Edit: to add context, I prefer men who would rather me keep my dignity. I do not trust men that are willing to shill me out to OF, and I like it when a man cares enough to not want me to post thirst traps.

rpujoe · 2024-01-02T15:04:52+00:00

You're describing hoeflation. And yes a lot of guys will have to settle and take what they can get as there's no other options unless they get their passport and go abroad.

Aaron Clarey did the math in one of his books and found less than 3% of women are ideal relationship material when you consider things like sexual past, kids, age, STDs, debt, and other variables men consider in a partner.

Between the obesity epidemic and other factors, the days of the sexual middle class of average guys ending up a cute mid girl next door are over.

This is why I don't shit on passport bros. You still have to do the work, but a 7 here is godmode in a lot of places. Going where you're valued and have life on easy mode is a no-brainer if you ask me.

evo1d0er · 2024-01-02T20:33:10+00:00

People will act how they are allowed. The shitty behavior of the women mentioned in this post is superseded by the shittier behavior of a man allowing and facilitating it. For every story of a woman (or man) acting with impunity there is an even worse story of them BECOMING that way because no one ever checked them. If someone is staying in a relationship with this type of behavior they are 100% at fault for it.

Dion33333 · 2024-01-02T13:27:30+00:00

Why is it like that? There are approximetely same number of women and men, why women have so much more optioins? Where are all the other women?

RorschachRosettes · 2024-01-02T16:16:47+00:00

I think that as a whole, both sexes are tolerating the most just to say they aren't single. I've known many women who are expressing the same thing you are about your friend, so its not limited to men accepting less. I think that people with low self-esteem and self-respect have always been a part of the dating pool, but I think that post-COVID lockdown, the number of those people has grown exponentially.

Adorable_sor_1143 · 2024-01-03T10:46:05+00:00

She is being abusive and he should leave.

scwizard · 2024-01-02T09:52:10+00:00

Girls have cheated since forever. Like Napoleon kept going back to his cheating wife, at least according to that Napoleon movie.

GhettoJamesBond · 2024-01-02T07:46:00+00:00

I think your friends are just sad beta males. In fact I'm seeing men are finally start to make a stand and not accept the bullshit.

I remember growing up all the older guys where with single moms. Now I'm seeing men are finally refusing to date single moms or date older used women. That's why you see so many older single moms today are alone. In the past they would have gotten a beta bucks by now.

This is of course because red pill told them the secret now. I also hear a lot of older women are bitter because they fully expected to do whatever they wanted and that there would be a man at the end waiting to save them. Now men are not lining up to save them and they are alone.

UpbeatInsurance5358 · 2024-01-02T15:30:13+00:00

It appears that the majority of men think they HAVE to have a woman in some capacity. It's like they can't cope without women. I know this isn't the case, but it appears to be.

CountMandrake · 2024-01-03T02:52:36+00:00

Oh absolutely, there is a male population out there who has some really big mental issues kid you fucking not.

In fact, and this will be a very unpopular opinion but I'm gonna say it anyways, IMO this is why cuckold porn has been on the rise during the last years.

Look at my post history, a few post back, there is this dude from Argentina asking why the girls these days "hide" their boyfriends from their IGs.

I've seen these trends all over Europe and North America too.

You pick ant dude's profile and the first three picks he has on his bio, at least one is of his girlfriend.

Then you click the girl's bio and you have to scroll like forever to find a picture of the dude haha.

(Usually the one she took in that travel he paid for both hahahahaha).

Same with girls postigo picks of their asses, on lenjerie, on sugestive positions, on bikinis, and so on...

We all know why they do it come on!

It's just that women somehow convince these dudes "it's not like that", or "it's not what you thinking".

Why do they dress like sluts and go on girls night outs?

They dress for themselves? For other women?

Hell then why do they need to go out to places full of horny dudes trying to have an easy lay right?

If you dress for yourselves then slut it up indoors.

Yeah dude you know why. They are trying to fuck other dudes that's why. It's so fucking simple.

But these girls gaslight these nice dudes nowadays into thinking they are good girls, all the whole behaving like absolute and utter whores, and it's so fucking funny because no sane man can believe that shit, you can't possibly eat thar garbash unless you're like an idiot on fucking steroids...

And these dudes PRETEND they believe this shit, and when you ask them "hey bro, is this your girlfriend right here showing her butthole to her 5k followers on IG?" they actually try to CONVINCE YOU it's not like that...

"She does it because it's empowering" they say. "She would never cheat on me, she's not that kind of girl" they say.

But deep down they know the truth. You cannot fight logic bud.

They know they are cuckolds. They know their girlfriends fuck other hawt dudes on the side, or at least she's seriously trying to, and that their girlfriends will dump their sorry asses at the first dude with a big dick that happens to cross their way.

I don't really like Redpill terminology because I'm not a Terper you know but yeah dude, for a lack of a better word...

This is Beta coping.

It's dudes who can't get any just accepting sloppy seconds, basically.

This will sound really extreme, but it's like mass lowkey cuckoldry or something.

It's like a female power play on a large scale.

It's funny because a decade ago, may be two, no man would have accepted a woman who had ass picks on her Facebook profile. It was rare for a girl to post bikini picks during summer seasson even. Those picks were rare, and reserved only for the family.

Nowadays pretty much any ugly bitch has her IG full of picks of their asses hahaha.

EulenWatcher · 2024-01-02T06:22:42+00:00

Well, that tells more about your social circle than about general trends. I've seen similar things in Russia with genders reversed, so I can imagine that the same thing can happen to men who were conditioned to think that it's better to have at least a shitty partner than no partner at all. The problem with this attitude is that you're wasting your time on a person who doesn't love or respect you and you're missing out on the opportunity to meet someone compatible.

How old are you? I know quite a lot of couples in their middle-late 20s and a few younger. Most of them seem to be pretty content. I wouldn't say that either men or women are disrespectful to their partners, although some couples have boundaries different to mine and can use insults as jokes or something in a similar line.

Gold_Supermarket1956 · 2024-01-02T06:11:17+00:00

You're probably right in most cases

moosemc · 2024-01-02T15:34:11+00:00

he still wants to commit to her because he told me he has "no one else" and it's "too hard to find another girlfriend". I've heard friends say similar things but in different ways.

Never heard men talk this way. Ever. To anyone. Under any circumstances.

Safinated · 2024-01-02T16:13:37+00:00

Women put up with shit relationships for the exact same reasons

No, men have complained about wives, marriage, obligation, duty, responsibility and commitment for centuries

multitaskgod · 2024-01-02T10:46:58+00:00

Unfortunately your friends are cucks it sounds like… whomstvillians of whomstville

Lost_Computer_8548 · 2024-01-02T11:57:53+00:00

Ahh yes, the term “cuckold” springs to mind 😂

TSquaredRecovers · 2024-01-02T19:45:58+00:00

Just wanted to point out that this happens with women as well where they remain in toxic relationships. This isn’t a gendered thing.

mods_have_small_ween · 2024-01-02T21:48:14+00:00

I spent 4 years getting ignored completely, then spent a few years on self improvement and my options went from infinitely zero to infinitely many. Basically, until I got into the top few percentile of men career wise, looks wise, appearance wise, I got NOTHING AT ALL. I just got ghosted repeatedly. That is when I learned how shallow women are.

Turbulent-Tonight975 · 2024-01-04T16:47:07+00:00

I think many men are weak and also the dating pool is getting worse all the time.

I was generally shocked how shallow the dating pool was when I was last on the apps. Over 30 and to find a woman about my age who wasn't hideous, wasn't massively overweight, didn't have baby dadies or 2 divorces, didn't have excessive tattoos, and didn't have extensive emotional or psychological issues- was damn near impossible. Look at obesity statistics where almost half of men and women are that overweight. For single people, it is definitely far higher. Just finding these low hanging fruit on dating apps was nearly impossible.

I think men at some age hit the point where all the good ones are taken and either decide to be single or accept that they will get what they can. The chances of finding a great partner after a certain age fall close to 0 because anyone who was that great would not still be single.

GeneralFig6053 · 2024-01-02T06:27:52+00:00

Sounds like you are surrounded by losers who have very low self esteem and nothing to offer. They know it and accept the love they think they deserve. If that’s your friend group I would rethink keeping this kind of company

ConanTheCybrarian · 2024-01-02T09:53:13+00:00

this has happened since relationships existed.

In feudal times, people married for alliances and hated their spouses but couldn't leave for political/ financial/ Social reasons.

For a long time, women couldn't have a FT paying job, own homes/ property, and/or have their own bank accounts, so they often had to marry and stay with absolute degenerate trash in order to be able to live.

Perhaps it's newer for men because they've always had more options and control in the past but it's not a new phenomenon writ large.

Cool_Ranch_2511 · 2024-01-02T12:49:42+00:00

Almost makes you feel bad for the men in the US. What a bunch of suckers

HighestTierMaslow · 2024-01-02T15:09:57+00:00

Men arent accepting far less now. Men have to match what they expect from women now. Going from being a taker to a matcher is hard for some. Decades ago, it was easy for men to get a woman too attractive and nice for him and she'd be dependent on him and have to accept his less than stellar behavior.

Also people of both genders date the opposite sex with a lot of red flags for a variety of reasons (I find most often mental health or self esteem reasons personally). For every man Ive met that dates women with obvious red flags I have met another who is way too picky and reads too much into small mundane flaws.

TWCDev · 2024-01-02T15:53:52+00:00

Why do you think that's any different from women who are "stuck" with men who cheat on them, beat them, threaten the lives of their loved ones if they leave, etc?
The dude "loves" a bad partner, but she's unlikely to hurt him, kill him, etc.

Bad partners are bad, and people have always felt like love is important enough to deal with it. I grew up watching my stepdad brutalize my mom. It's worse for women to this day. More access to therapy, classes in school meant to help "socialize" people, etc, would help.

FullLifeguard · 2024-01-02T17:32:27+00:00

Yes they are for sure! My friend is marrying some chick who filed for bankruptcy at the age of 25yo, plus she also revealed 1 year into the relationship that she can’t have kids due to a surgery she had.

This simp still married her because he thinks he has no other choice.

Examples of me letting shit slide out of desperation myself:

1: let a chick with 3 kids spend the night 2 times without any sex

Going on a date with chick after she previously ghosted me
Entertaining way too many single moms out of desperation

Im a 26yo single male who works in finance, average looking , no kids

dysonRing · 2024-01-02T20:39:58+00:00

Yes 100%. It is 100 percent verifiable as well see the Obesity epidemic

FeminismIsMyJam · 2024-01-03T07:00:12+00:00

Sweetie, this is a universal problem that knows no boundaries. It doesn’t discriminate by one’s ethnicity, religion, political views, address, AGI and definitely not your gender.

This meaning this is NOT a problem due to toxic gender roles (they are toxic but in a way that really benefits men, but that is a whole other post). This is a widespread individual issue and your self worth and seeing your own value, and honestly there is sociological research out there. Lots of it, but I think this is contest where the women are winning, and by that I mean they are losing.

Women are more likely to accept behave from a man that is disrespectful towards them and are less likely to feel entitled to treat others poorly, especially men (it has to do with those toxic gender roles that are for another post 😉).

The fact that this friend accepting the way he is being treated boggles your mind is, because it has not been something you have seen all that often.

For women? Sweet Jesus, that is just par for the course. You are either dealing with it yourself or trying to supportive to the 90% of your friends that are dealing with it. Let’s just say our minds are never boggled by it. Ever.

The root of the problem whether you are male or female is the same though.

They seeing their own worth or value in this world, and therefore, attack romantic partners that don’t see it either and treat these individuals accordingly.

That doesn’t speak to whom these individual they target are or how they are lacking in some sort of way. It speaks of the type of person they are dating 100% of the time.

You accept the treatment you believe you are worthy of. That treatment is usually based on the treatment you received growing up. That treatment becomes like a default system inside of us. If you were consistently treated poorly as a child whether it be a criminal form of abuse or something just as damaging like emotional and/or psychological abuse it becomes normalized and is the treatment you expect to receive out in the world.

In fact, depending on how severely they were mistreated as a child, people treating you well will feel unusual, almost uncomfortable in a sense.

It can create anxiety and be a subconscious reason for them to either be an emotional burden on someone treating them well making that person want to leave them, or make them feel a need to pull away before they can figure out what worthless person you really are.

The problem isn’t women, the problem is the type of woman he is attracted to. And let me tell you, that type of person (man or woman) has a sixth sense, a radar if you will, for finding these damaged individuals to emotionally damage even further by exploiting their kindness and urgency to please others for their own psychological gain.

He needs to work on himself by recognizing the distorted view he has of himself and why he has it and to not just be able to see his worth and value as the person he is right now at this very moment no improvements required, but also to believe that it is all true and very real right down to his soul.

That is the game changer. When you see and believe in your own worth and value you will attract people that see it to and any mistreatment from others becomes easier to see clearly and step away from but that will be something he will struggle his whole life. Childhood can f**k you up good and proper. His default setting have already been set but he can learn to believe them to be faulty.

Get him to a good therapist and stop acting like men have rediscovered the wheel when dealing with this problem. We women have been living it for many a millennia. We are tired and we would like to stop dealing with it now.

obviousredflag · 2024-01-02T10:38:12+00:00

Men and women do and did it since the dawn of time. A partner is always a tradeoff. You can't have it all.

The "strong boundaries and standards" thing is exactly the reason why we have "modern dating issues". Men here complain 24/7 how women's standards are too high. And insecure people mask their insecurity as "strong boundaries" and "respect".

I stick to them. But it seems this is rare these days?

Have you ever changed a standard during your life? If yes, would you say you are no longer sticking to your boundaries, as you have changed them? Your friends are changing their standards to suit the circumstances. They seem to be okay to be in a relationship now, where they need to deal with insecurites about thirst traps.

OpticalEpilepsy · 2024-01-02T07:27:13+00:00

No men don't have "no standards" and "have to settle for anything except single" that's just loud incels drowning out the voices of the other 99% of men that aren't incels

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Radiant_Specific6542 · 2024-01-02T12:47:15+00:00

Men have been accepting far less for some time now. We're starting to see a small pushback and the world is having a hard time dealing with that.

spanglesandbambi · 2024-01-02T09:03:20+00:00

Women no longer rely on men in the same way as they are in the workforce, can have a bank account and own property. Being a lesbian is now also widely accepted, no more spinsters living together cover stories.

This has taken some women out of the dating pool and allowed all women to be far more picky. It does also mean affairs can happen or the woman can just leave if she isn't happy so even if you date a woman thry.jabe options and aren't forced to stay.

This is great for women it gives us freedom, and no one should be denying woman bank accounts and the ability to buy property. Some men see this social mobility as femininity being taken away as now they might not automatically bring something important (income and assets which the woman can gain herself) to the table. There is also no doubt less women in the dating pool I know a fair few female friends that earn enough to support themselves and don't feel a relationship will add to them as they can have a baby by IVF.

Less women mean more men trying to get dates often with the same women as she now has a value in what she earns or might have property wise. This has made some men angry as they now feel the balance has gone and women have more of an advantage in dating, and they don't feel it's fair to them.

FaradayBurka · 2024-01-02T15:43:32+00:00

Are your friends hot?

JumboJetz · 2024-01-03T03:54:01+00:00

It’s been the opposite for me lately. I find all sorts of reasons not to get too serious with women. I’ve become somewhat picky but I don’t think unreasonably so.

I certainly see some guys with women where the man looks way more attractive than the woman which makes me wonder why he’s gotten with her. However in fairness I also see vice versa.

TonytheNetworker · 2024-01-03T05:16:00+00:00

(Generally speaking) Many people have to understand a neutral relationship for an average guy is far better than no relationship. Yeah, she might send thirst traps on Instagram or talk to an ex occasionally. But it’s better than being alone for another 4 years with no attention or sex.

CalligrapherSimple39 · 2024-01-03T05:16:38+00:00

Men are desperate today. They get treated like dirty pigs in the online dating world.

Personally I would never lower my standards....

Waste of life spending it with someone who disrespects you just so you can get some intimacy. You can get it in other ways. Never let anyone disrespect you.

RevolutionaryJob7908 · 2024-01-03T08:59:20+00:00

My standards increased in person. On here I just vent 🍑💨💨🙊. .

No_Assumption_5864 · 2024-01-03T15:06:58+00:00

I think men have always been much less selective than women

Peacesquad · 2024-01-03T18:48:15+00:00

It’s called scarcity mindset.

revonssvp · 2024-01-03T21:23:33+00:00

When you wre alone, you regret to have lost the few occasions you had because you wanted to have boundaries and be respected.

Guess what ? The girl found another one.

volleyballbeach · 2024-01-04T17:40:23+00:00

Yes. Both men and women are accepting far less these days as more and more people turn into couch potatoes. People aren’t just accepting less from their romantic partners. People are accepting less from themselves.

Virtual_Squirrel3854 · 2024-01-05T09:31:56+00:00

At least he gets to choose his girlfriend. Women tolerated bad husbands they didt want for centuries. As long as he chooses people who treat him bad its on him. Nobody else fault only his.

Virtual_Squirrel3854 · 2024-01-05T09:34:10+00:00

IT has not be "always" like that. For centuries marriages were arranged and mostly ment men could do outside of it whatever he liked from socializing to cheating and woman of his familly choice sat at home with whatever lot of a husband she got. Women your friend date are simply not into him or unsuitable.

Title	Are men accepting far less these days or has it always been like this?
Author	ShelterNo2786
Upvotes	180
Comments	399
Date	January 2, 2024 6:07 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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