This sub is toxic for women (as well as men)

EulenWatcher · 2022-07-09T14:56:09+00:00

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

If this sub affects your behavior and values, you should stop spending your time here. At least take a break from this place and any other platform you're using similar to it. This sub doesn't represent averages and the ratio is skewed towards toxic/bitter/angry people. Also lots of users here use different accounts and just want to rage bait/troll, that's their idea of having fun.

There are normal, decent, good and absolutely great men (and women) out there. Take a look at your own social circle. Do you know any decent family men? Do you have male friends? What about your father/brothers/cousins?

hari_hbp · 2022-07-09T16:13:34+00:00

Personally, I feel like I became a better person after reading up on various PPD posts. Most of the extreme comments just makes me laugh at this point. Some of the comments make sense and I add it to my own way of life.

I'd say "Take what you want, as long as it makes you happy and doesn't hurt another person". If you're feeling to negative after coming here, take time off of it.

Gaddammitkyle · 2022-07-09T16:03:58+00:00

You took reddit seriously. Never take reddit seriously. Especially redditpill content. Sucks to suck.

BoopEverySnoot · 2022-07-10T04:32:08+00:00

When I joined this sub, it turned out to be nothing like I thought it would be. I expected people with different beliefs sharing their ideas. When I got was a bunch of an angry men who strike me as incels and who just hate women. I would not use this group as a measure of any capacity of male/male relationships.

BumblingBeta · 2022-07-09T15:41:41+00:00

But that's how the world works. That's why society desperately tries to hide these things from everyone. If people truly grasped how humans behave and the reasons behind it, many people would lose all hope in life and become nihilistic and defeatist.

Society can't afford for that to happen. So society has to create hope among the general population by spinning things in a positive light. For example, instead of your looks determining your dating success, it has to be your "personality" because that seems more virtuous and something you have more control over. If the societal message was that looks determine everything, ugly people would either drop out of society, resort to crime or kill themselves. Society has to give hope to less fortunate people in any way they possibly can.

childish_badda_bingo · 2022-07-09T14:54:47+00:00

You let the internet convince you love and romance don’t exist?

renfsu · 2022-07-09T15:10:27+00:00

You need to realize that this sub isn't reality. Your average male or female has probably never heard of this sub. You should realize that most of us are here to argue and piss people off; your average human isn't going out and doing that.

No mean to be rude but I find your premise very stupid. It's like watching a pride of lions hunt a giraffe and assuming all lions only hunt giraffes and nothing else. There are billions of people in the world and only an extremely tiny fraction of them are subbed here.

koolex · 2022-07-09T18:12:15+00:00

First off men play the numbers game with women they are attracted to, usually the negative side is that they are only physically attracted to her, and most women play their own version of numbers game, it's just different strategies to find the best partner. You would do the same if you just knew you would get rejected from 90% of men, you would also realize you need to be talking to 10x as many men to get a bf.

You need to talk to a therapist, this is affecting you more than it should. Yes understanding gender dynamics can be a bit depressing but you shouldn't be letting it color your vision of every man. Once you're in a relationship, you should be past most of these games that men play.

wrathofkalima · 2022-07-09T18:32:50+00:00

Same. I stopped dating because of this. I know the worst of humanity is in here but I think that most men think like this on some level and now I’d rather be alone or try with a woman.

KingWhoCared86 · 2022-07-09T15:01:42+00:00

I feel like the same happened to me. I feel like I don’t bother approaching women anymore or push away women clearly who are interested in me because I can’t tell if they’re worth committing to or are they chatting up 7 different guys currently.

melody_of_ · 2022-07-09T15:24:31+00:00

How he doesn’t actually find me attractive he is just playing a numbers game.

These arent mutual exclusive. a lot of guys will play the numbers even if they really like you until you actually show strong interest because the average women will ghost be fickle and unreliable in OLD

Dont take it personally at all if your being honest. Than it's not you men just have to be aware of how women are operating now a days and act accordingly.

ashpr0ulx · 2022-07-09T15:00:43+00:00

when i first started browsing this sub, it did make me a little on edge. but i quickly realized that even some of the most angry and bitter sounding men here are very human, a lot of them have painful experiences and feelings they are working through. this sub is also not representative of all men- and even within the sub, the men tend to have a lot of differing opinions.

do not let people whose circumstances and backgrounds you do not know influence how you treat the human beings in front of you. it’s unfair to the other person and yourself. if this sub makes you feel that way, it is probably best to avoid it.

tired_hillbilly · 2022-07-09T15:31:29+00:00

How he doesn’t actually find me attractive he is just playing a numbers game.

Here's the thing. It's both. He really does find you attractive. He also finds 75 other women he knows attractive. So if the goal is to find an equitable relationship, where both he and his partner are happy, doesn't it seem logical to chat up all 75 and see which ones go for it?

IOportA · 2022-07-09T19:58:52+00:00

So the man was nice and considerate to you, and it didn't turn you on. What a surprise.

And you blame it on this subreddit, and not yourself...what a surprise.

Karmanger · 2022-07-09T15:01:01+00:00

Everything said here is ultimately an opinion, take it with a truckload of salt.

Some of the people commenting are hyperbolic, nothing is truly bleak…. Unless you’re lazy.

hdksndiisn · 2022-07-09T20:23:09+00:00

What’s funny is it doesn’t matter what gender you are, once the veil is lifted it’s almost impossible to unsee the game. So the opposite gender is easily ruined when awoken. But one must take it in stride and remain optimistic, and realize the good man or woman neither knows the games they are playing nor plays games in the first place. And no human, man or woman, should be given trust or love until they have earned it, and even then, realizing they are human and prone to error, only so much trust and love should be given. You can guard your heart and keep it open simultaneously. One needn’t condemn themselves to loneliness due to the majority of humans being bad apples, surely some good exists in some.

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WillfulGrapefruit · 2022-07-09T16:05:39+00:00

I joined this sub for entertainment. It's wild what people believe. I oscillate between finding it hilarious and finding it depressing. If I had to get into dating again, I'd have to either give up this sub or give up dating.

Get off the internet, go outside, meet people irl. It'll be okay. This sub will continue being a garbage fire just fine while you're gone. And you'll be better off without it.

HighValueMoidxD · 2022-07-09T17:02:19+00:00

Meta posting is one of the signs of a subreddit having in late stage cancer.

Mrs_Drgree · 2022-07-09T14:55:06+00:00

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jonreynolds1999 · 2022-07-09T20:08:25+00:00

Nah, most of what I see here discussed is inconvenient truths

Jake0024 · 2022-07-09T23:53:15+00:00

If you really want to lose faith in the sexes, check TheRedPill or TwoXChromosomes... this place is like a warm hug by comparison

erilaz123 · 2022-07-10T00:06:25+00:00

I am generalising as heck here,- but: The primary determining factors in dating are looks and socioeconomic status and personality in more or less that order.

For instance, among American millennials, 15-30% men are involuntary celibate, roughly 51% do not have a steady partner, roughly 30% are often or always lonely, and roughly 22% have no friends. Many men thinks that the game is rigged, and after multiple failed attempts just gives up and decides to put their energy into hobbies, learning new skills, traveling and so on..

Because mastering a new skill is more fruitful to many than wasting time, energy and money into something that many men sees as fickle. They also perceive that as more safer,- there are no risk of false accusations ( ref J. Depp he luckily has the money to afford to defend himself, lawyers are not cheap! ), a unfair law system, social factors, a lack of services for male victims of domestic violence are also contributing factors.

Also, observe who gets the girls in highschool.. Thats not the meek scrawny boy who might have autistic traits, are bullied, have glasses and fixes the computer for the girls for free.. Later on in life these start to make real money and gets girls by the dozen.

That's the facts of life, most men understand that without lashing out and becoming the stereotypical dangerous batshit crazy incel.

I don't think that closing down places that do discuss mens issues are a good idea,- because there is no one who can dispute the "all females/men are evil, toxic" and at least try to keep a healthy and sane discussion.

The risk of creating closed forums on darknet et cetera that turn to really toxic and bad places is real. There are people who have been through nasty episodes from both sexes.

That's my personal and probably biased opinion on this Reddit.

just_a_place · 2022-07-10T07:42:40+00:00

This sub has slowly been invaded by undercover incels and Black Pillers, it's the reason I don't come here that often anymore or post much.

Just a quick skim on the recent posts and I'm like "ugh, why bother with these autists."

Also, this place has become a sausage fest in the last month. Women participate very little lately. I think there's only like 5 women here now.

Mrs_Drgree · 2022-07-10T12:44:24+00:00

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boomershack · 2022-07-10T14:52:26+00:00

Also you have 100% gaslit yourself. You simply don't find him attractive.

If you did you would not resist seeing him again.

-angels-fan- · 2022-07-09T15:38:00+00:00

Lol @ men playing games.

You do realize that men are only starting to wake up and trying to even the playing field that women are masters of, right?

Men absolutely HATE that they have to play these stupid games, but women demand it.

Most red pill men despise that red pill works and wish they could just be themselves and that women weren't such vapid creatures that need such a high level of "gaming" to be interested in a man.

TermAggravating8043 · 2022-07-09T15:26:37+00:00

There have been many times I’ve felt I “retreated” and had to have a good convo or cuddle with some of the real men in my life, friends, family members, husband to remind myself most men are good decent people that don’t see women as sex objects

bluehorserunning · 2022-07-09T23:19:47+00:00

I married my husband in part because he showed zero of the red flags that I learned to watch for by being on this sub.

The9thElement · 2022-07-09T16:39:55+00:00

Lol at sabotaging your relationship because of Reddit. This goes beyond PPD stop blaming outside sources look within yourself

edwardpuppyhands · 2022-07-09T20:53:45+00:00

u/anon018274031 : a lot of the risk can be eliminated by having prospective LTR partners be friends first and taking it slow. Men tend to rush into sexual acts, while women tend to want to rush into long-term couplings. Check yourself from doing that.

SmarmyPapsmears · 2022-07-09T15:27:03+00:00

I think you're looking at it wrongly. Dating is a game for both men and women, it's just being called what it is here and you don't like that is has a term for it. But it would be the same if you came here or not.

Mrs_Drgree · 2022-07-09T14:57:48+00:00

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Crushed_95 · 2022-07-09T15:11:45+00:00

And toxic for dogs and cats and fishes! Lol

notxcrazyhorse · 2022-07-09T17:55:35+00:00

Go touch grass, this subreddit isn’t a real place

GorillaFetish · 2022-07-09T18:19:15+00:00

Honestly I don’t even know what this sub is about. I just join random subreddits for no reason. I don’t play tiny tower, yet i’m in the subreddit for it too. So personally I have no opinion, i’m just the guy watching with popcorn in his hands

Maxarc · 2022-07-09T18:20:21+00:00

By remembering myself that I need to touch grass. These kinds of forums select for certain kind of individual that is not your typical person. Average people probably don't find much value in having nature/nurture debates with rando's on the internet.

IWillKeepYourSecret · 2022-07-09T19:44:39+00:00

How do you keep on dating after reading these posts?

In this situation, I separate men into two categories. Those who go to this sub and echo that which has been repeated a hundred times on here already, or those who don't. The guys in my closest circle are amazing in that regard. Not all of them are successful when it comes to love, not all of them try, yet none of them hold the same beliefs that are shared on here.

Some guys play games, sure. Some women do, too. Trust yourself in the ability to recognize those who aren't serious. If you misjudge, learn from it. There will be rotten apples, but there are many who are amazing and wonderful.

TheLoneMushroom · 2022-07-09T21:48:00+00:00

Some people are shit. Not everyone is shit. It's not based on gender. That guy might be great, that's why vetting is key. Be friends first and see how he's like. Or at least that's my mindset on dating. I have some male acquaintances who do the same thing as your male friends and it disgusts me. I know some women are awful too. But if there's even one person of each sex who is good, then that proves it doesn't matter who you are. Luckily I have family with good men/women, and I know myself and some of my friends. There are good people out there but you have to give it a chance. I believe in you.

Anyways, yes I completely left this sub but it's still on my feed since I don't use Reddit often enough anymore and rarely see my home page. I'm starting to use it more tho so maybe I'll just get rid of it.

Some people here are pretty cool. They understand that this world isn't so black and white and give good input. Others are... others. Seeing their comments continuously can give you a pretty bad mindset. Anyways the reason why I left this sub and Reddit altogether for the most part was because I simply made a comment mentioning I was depressed and suicidal on a pinned thread titled something like How do you ruin every Christmas? I guess bringing that up was "wildly inappropriate for this sub" and "It breaks Reddit TOS." According to one PPD mod.

So yea I got a month ban on Christmas for feeling extremely depressed that day and mentioning that being the reason I ruined Christmas on a pinned thread asking why you ruined Christmas. Thanks mods! Haven't been on this sub since and don't get nearly as engaged on Reddit as I did before. I used to actively comment on here for some time. I think Reddit in general is bad for mental health.

freshcupofjoel1994 · 2022-07-09T22:16:57+00:00

who cares. We’re all miserable

mehregan_zare7731 · 2022-07-09T22:43:29+00:00

Look at it like this: When you hear the news it's all horrible , one group killing another, one party destroying lives of thousands, one religious group is a terrorist; and yet, you live your life, the world doesn't end , you don't even see anything happen all day. You hear about all those awful people in the news because they're loud , because they are trouble makers and you go on living your life among normal people , people who just want to live a relaxing comfortable life. Same goes for dating: you come here and hear about horrible men ( some don't consider them horrible , we're not talking about them) but these are only the one's who speakup , who like to cause trouble, who like to play. The rest of man are not like that and because of that they're not in this sub or they don't post in this sub. So go on to the real world and date real men without worry , most are looking for a living partner.

Hazaawah · 2022-07-10T00:01:33+00:00

If you don’t like men, which appears to be the case, don’t date them.

Seems easy enough.

You don’t need a man. As a fish, go swim into the sunset happy No bicycle needed.

miminothing · 2022-07-10T04:31:00+00:00

This sub is toxic for everyone. I just stick around to see incels in their natural habitat.

anon018274031 · 2022-07-10T10:52:50+00:00

I agree that in some regards it can be toxic although it’s not indicative of dating broadly and depends how invested you are. But what it helped me with is challenge the notions of dating and sexual relationships as a woman.

I find learning about these subjects interesting but realised how much we learn from movies, books, tv shows, music and the media about relationships that contradicts reality. The fairytale of falling in love and living happily ever after rarely exists. Hookup culture is often glamorised or glorified with none of the risks or downsides explored.

A number of factors have pushed me to reconsider dating men or being intimate with them ever again. This sub really helped as a woman hear other perspectives. Now I’m seriously questioning whether I’m actually romantically attracted to men and it’s something I’m working through.

no_bling_just_ding · 2022-07-10T12:36:23+00:00

yeah it helps to realize that most of the regulars here are out to troll others or mock them (while pretending there's absolutely nothing wrong with themselves.) the discord server is even worse ngl i rather keep my virginity than end up someone else's af/bb but thankfully people offline dont seem this bad

wtffellification · 2022-07-10T14:06:56+00:00

> And then I gradually mentally talked myself out of it because of the stupid shit I read here

I think this just shows how little a lot of women need or want a relationship

Imagine PPD, fucking PPD influencing you so much that you would discard a potential good relationship because of it

Diddy_1978 · 2022-07-10T19:55:21+00:00

I have become more suspicious. I met someone and I do suspect he dipped his toes into some kind of incel group. He occasionally used words that I associate with them, like ‘Chad’, and on one specific occasion I said something about ‘incels’ and he asked if I had anything against them, to which I replied no, unless they start shooting people. I will admit to having been more skeptical regarding a relationship with him, than I would have been otherwise.

anon018274031 · 2022-07-09T18:37:41+00:00

You ghosted a guy who did nothing wrong and staying true to the stereotype of your gender you proceed to blame men on this sub for your behavior?

la_revolte · 2022-07-09T15:58:22+00:00

Misogynists are over represented on Reddit. The majority of men in my life - coworkers, classmates, friend’s boyfriends are good people and don’t have a clue about the toxic online culture that is so common in Reddit.

Lysa_Bell · 2022-07-09T16:15:23+00:00

Please don't get discouraged by the bs in this sub. Sometimes I also have to talk to my male friends and my bf to get a "reality check" because a lot of the stuff in here is so toxic. Try to compartmentalize this place not as realistic. It's a fantasy land. It's just fiction. And make sure you get breaks from this place and enjoy your life. In general from the internet. The real world looks very different than what a lot of guys here present.

bsmith440 · 2022-07-09T15:46:23+00:00

Holy shit. Get help, you self sabotaged a real life relationship because of reddit.

clara_12060139 · 2022-07-09T15:05:00+00:00

Same 😢 I started to get paranoid about being just some number or a body for a guy that doesn’t really care about me. It’s gotten to the point where I deeply analyse everything a man does/says. I stopped dating because 1. It became exhausting 2. I realised what I was doing was toxic and unhealthy 3. I was sabotaging the relationship. I still come on here because I can’t get over the fact that I might miss some kind of a clue from a guy and end up being used 🥲

2022-07-09T18:44:02+00:00

So, I got into these types of subreddits before I started seriously dating because I wanted to be aware of the types of flags rp/incel/just generally toxic and or modern, (and likely closeted about their behaviors) misogynistic men have. I already had a decent sense of a judgement and intense mistrust of everyone regardless of gender (not because of trauma, but just because I know some of the terrible, selfish thoughts I have and I'd say it's safe to assume I'd encounter strangers with similar aggressions or desires.) It did make me more paranoid about men, and eventually I got bored of combing through the subs and just stopped using reddit for like a year because I got busy. I normalized. I started dating, and I do think all my knowledge of rp guy red flags saved me from encountering and talking to some dudes. I'd have interactions online or through text where I would ask certain questions or reject them because of some of their values or ideals, and they would fly off the handle. I had one guy text me from his brother's phone harassing me and demanding "why" I rejected him after I blocked his number; prior to that, he'd been nice until the rejection.

Most people don't read this shit. The only reason I've been on here lately is my job is in slow season and I'm really bored at work and love to discuss gendered issues and refute the wild takes some guys have on here, because they're simply not accurate nor true for healthy, normal people who are dating. The guy I'm dating is incredible and even listens to me ranting about the nonsense on here lol. He had no red flags and has been such a lovely person, and I think part of why I was able to feel so secure in that is knowing what flags look like. Tbh I never aligned with "traditional" men or hetero men anyway, but most of what trp did was just intensify my distaste for traditional guys because I feel like there's a higher chance they're into this stuff, especially if they think they're ugly or struggle with dating already.

The only guy I know of that's with rp shit is a 5'1'" guy who started balding in college. We've been friends since age 12, and when he graduated, he and his gf split up and he moved back home (covid) and he was VERY adamant that my relationship was wrong and "abnormal" because it wasn't traditional, and that it wouldn't make people happy in the long run. He's still single. He's "jokingly" against feminism and thinks women want and need to be taken care of and stay at home. I'm sure there are women who would love that, but this doesn't change the fact that I'm the one in a loving relationship with my partner, who is nowhere near a rp guy.

But there are more than a few guys I've encountered who would likely agree with rp stuff. I personally cut those men out of my life as fast as possible. It's sad to think that may be a few, but being close to someone who doesn't value your autonomy, personhood, body AND abstract self, is not worth it. I don't think most of these men are "playing" as much as they're just men women shouldn't be around for the sake of their wellbeing.

I think part of not being scared with dating is vetting/being picky, and being willing to trash the potential relationship or connection if they do something that makes you dislike them or makes you feel unsafe, disrespected. Don't accept anyone, male or female, who tries to make you feel less than.

2022-07-09T16:46:17+00:00

Regardless of this sub, your probably already flaky as is.

If he was so awesome and great you'd still want to see him. I swear girls make zero sense when they say stuff like this.

nothatyoucare · 2022-07-09T22:24:23+00:00

I'm glad this thread came along when it did.

First we have the thread that talks about how women are clueless about how much more difficult dating is for men: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/vt36v2/women_are_absolutely_clueless_as_to_how_much_more/

Then in response we get a thread that sort of meta analyzes the discussion saying this:

Man posts long but well-written and source-backed essay quantifying the extent to which (when it comes to dating, courtship and romance), women are hugely privileged compared to men.

There's some attempted counter-argument and challenge from some women, but these are invariably either disproven or reduced to obvious ad-hominem attacks.

As a result, the general consensus is basically, "Yeah, OK, fine. It is true. Men do indeed have it much tougher".

The debate then shifts to women then saying words to the effect of "So what? Sorry. I can't make myself attracted to what I'm not attracted to. Yes, maybe we are only attracted to a fairly small subset of men and yes, this does mean a lot of genuinely good, kind and honest men among the male population will end up disappointed, but attraction isn't something that can be controlled. Sorry. I understand its tough but well....? sorry..." (This is a reasonable response by the way).

The men usually claim that just this simple acknowledgement is really all they're asking for. Just an admission of privilege and an awareness of the situation along with all that awareness entails (men not being shamed for a lack of partners or inexperience, an understanding that men will of course try and work on making themselves more attractive because its a competitive challenge, and so on).

So the debate more or less draws to a close; but the final point made by the women in response to all this (especially as this same debate is often repeated every few weeks or so), is what I think drives to the heart of the matter:

"What was the point of all that?"

And now, here's your thread. You're ghosting a guy because you're afraid he might be playing a "numbers game" completely blind to incredible privileges and advantages you enjoy in western dating AND you're trying to make yourself out to be a victim at the same time.

so u/festethefoole1 that was the point of all that. Cuz we also get threads like this on the regular.

And u/anon018274031 when it comes to this last dude... nothing happened to you so you had to make up something to turn yourself into a victim. JC...

figuringMylife · 2022-07-09T22:35:52+00:00

i love men!!! fuck ugly boys on reddit!!! have you seen the beautiful sexy as fuck men out there??? they open the door for you and have big sexy smiles and buy you flowers and hug you deeply!! they see you in a beautiful way, a way you could probably never see yourself. they accept all your ugliness and get horny by it!!! i love feeling my baby’s manly hard on my ass.

uhh sorry started derailing uhhhh…. i think it’s good to be conscious of men that are players. but if you enjoy yourself, i promise men are lovely human just like us. they’re just trying to understand the world. see them for that and love them through it. and you’ll find your ride or die

Exciting-Necessary-5 · 2022-07-09T15:15:27+00:00

There's a saying in redpill community.

It goes something like: 'Once you swallow the redpill, you can leave, but you can never really checkout'.

Personally for me, because I wasn't in the top 20% looks wise, I had already caught on to the different redpill ideas that were conveyed on this sub, so the affect on me wasn't exactly drastic. Opinion of women went down for me too, but because of my looks women never exactly had a high opinion of me to begin with even if I was the sort of guy who disliked hookup culture and wanted to wait until marriage so 🤷‍♂️.

I keep reading this sub because I find gold nuggets of wisdom from (mostly) men and (sometimes) women.

As for you OP. You need to realize the sexual market place isn't morality based. You don't become successful in it by being a good person. You have to be able to properly vet others and try to pry out their motivations and make sure they desire you for you and not for you resources/body/status. And most importantly you have to accept that your not entitled to a (happy)relationship.

drawmatoman · 2022-07-09T19:55:14+00:00

Women play games and engage in toxicity towards men long before any 'pill' talk became mainstream. Men are starting to catch up and play the same game that most women were already playing since the 70's and 80's. Now you know how it feels.

King-SAMO · 2022-07-09T15:04:48+00:00

You do realize that the point of ppd is to contain the choads here online so that they cant bother us in real life, right?

RedditorSafeSpace · 2022-07-09T16:20:16+00:00

Yes. I was at first idealistic about men. Me and my ex broke up because his mentally ill mother tried to sabotage our relationship because she thought he didn’t have serious intentions with me i.e. she thought he was with me for looks. After 7 years eh. He was more sad than I.

I end up on TRP and convince myself that it was because my SMV was to low, I wasn’t attractive enough, so he didn’t fight enough for it, and people will only ever care about me and I’ll only ever be valued for my appereance. In addition I panicked over age, reproduction. Yeah I worried about ”empty egg baskets” at 22 when my mother got my sister at first try at 42.

I started seeing men as soulless, heartless beings who only ever use us for sex, we are walking fleshlights to them, objects essentially. I became suspicious of all men and bitter about the future. Not my dating prospects but my happiness within relarionships, my ability to feel love and trust. I see threath in all men now, and all kindness is manipulation and lies.

I’m more and more convinced to be even more picky and make sure I’m choosing someone with options so that they really chose me for me.

This is some stupid cult and I’ve been drawn into it.

shockedpikachu123 · 2022-07-09T20:02:16+00:00

This sub convinces me men do not like women. They don’t see them as human or individuals. But rather, they just like the female anatomy. I think most men want someone with a female anatomy that thinks like a man. Luckily these kinds of men I’ve seen on the internet and men are NOT like this in person.

Men here keep crying about average men not getting women when in reality, society truly is not kind to unattractive women. Men would not even befriend them. And men here think it’s a COMPLIMENT if the unattractive woman can still get laid. I know plenty of late bloomers in their 30s who’s never even kissed a guy or had a relationship. And what do men here have to say about that? She’s old and not as good as the early 20s.

DaechiDragon · 2022-07-09T15:09:42+00:00

OP, this sub is not representative of men out there. The people with the extreme views on here are a relative minority. Most of the people in here are disgruntled in some way and so you’re getting an inaccurate view of men as a whole.

Like any community, there can be me useful information and there will be toxic people. Sadly, men don’t have a lot of outlets for their issues and so they end up being pushed out to more niche communities to discuss them. These same communities are full of radicals who have been expelled from elsewhere. I don’t judge all women based on the posts on FDS because they’re not the norm.

The world is not all doom and gloom like people suggest in here. And as much as we need to have our wits about us, assuming that every person that is kind to you has some agenda is not a way to live.

I’m sorry that you’ve had some bad experiences in the past but please don’t give up on us as a whole.

Don’t lose hope. Have your guard up but give the guy a chance and trust you gut feeling.

PerfluorooctaneS · 2022-07-09T18:05:23+00:00

This is one of the most toxic subreddits imo. As a man who is trying to improve himself, I can assuredly say that reading these posts is often akin to some form of self harm. I've seen cases multiple times where people will say so and so has done the whole world a favor by backing out of the dating world, and that's essentially where I've arrived for myself. I just want to work out, make money when I'm forced to, and do as little further harm to self, Earth, and others as is possible. It is all every bit the game you think it is. Lies, betrayal, humiliation, hopelessness, desperation, what could we want or love more? We internet people truly deserve each other as tormentors and voyeurs. We are every bit as crass as those who would reproach us. We should use female bone marrow to propagate the species. There is no physiological need for men anymore. Men have been made weak and stupid in addition to our contemptibility which has always been evident. Men are savages plain and simple. You'll find a rare good few with incredible effort. Hopefully you'll enjoy them. Just try to enjoy someone who makes you comfortable if you have any mind to at all. Humans are savages. We are not so far removed from chimpanzees at all genetically speaking; it is plain and evident. Everyone is playing games. We are all in the king's court playing our parts. Play your part of the game and enjoy it, or play a different game. There is nothing but to have an incredibly low view of men. How can we esteem ourselves? Indeed we cannot without delusion. We are abusers, free riders, whining puddles of cellulite and useless videogame knowledge and trivia and self aggrandizement. Men have no place as we've increasingly taken away the means and need for heavy lifting and moving by people and draft animals. Men have no place as we fail to become educated. Men have no place as we are the foremost vehicle by which we will be dragged to the worst pits of fascism and autocracy. Men will drag us through our new dark ages. Man will beat you over the head, and drag you to his den, man will fail you, man will be your end in all likelihood. Nothing good comes of us, and now I've said my piece.

sarkington · 2022-07-09T15:38:11+00:00

Nah, these dudes ain’t normal

smashmouthkitten · 2022-07-10T03:12:17+00:00

You sound completely delusional. I used to be just like you. I looked at men in the same light and it cost me many wasted years. The fear of getting hurt is understandable but the mindset that all men are out to “play you” is insane. There are absolutely men like that but those are not the men you want to commit to long term. There are some great men out there but with your horrible attitude it is unlikely that you will ever find them or that they will want to commit to you. Looking back, any man who was willing to commit to me back when I had your attitude was a desperate loser…

decoy88 · 2022-07-09T17:09:26+00:00

It’s toxic for idiots who are easily swayed by reading dumb social media posts.

Get a reality check.

Barneysparky · 2022-07-09T15:01:04+00:00

The things being said here when translated to real-life simply don't add up, unless you've observed a proud boys rally in real life.

I think the main takeaway should be to avoid gym bros and guys who slip and say females at all costs.

codgas · 2022-07-09T16:31:51+00:00

Mentally a potato lmao

Drougen · 2022-07-09T21:25:50+00:00

Good thing nobodies forced to sub here...? People need to seriously start learning personal responsibility.

Physical-Pie748 · 2022-07-09T22:54:52+00:00

for saying the truth, you call this sub toxic? dating is about getting the highst smv partner you can get. dating is like a market. accept it, noone wants to settle for a lower value partner. if a woman gets fat/short hair, he wont love her anymore. if he looses his job/gets bald/gets ugly, she wont love him anymore. love without conditions = true love doesnt exist. accept it. if you cant handle the truth, then dont watch this sub and keep living your dream

2022-07-09T15:02:22+00:00

I just tell myself that if the women here were the norm, then women wouldn't have rights in the real world, that or artificial wombs and an all male society.

RedditorSafeSpace · 2022-07-09T17:33:03+00:00

Reddit is toxic. This sub is entertaining.

TheMedsPeds · 2022-07-10T03:15:35+00:00

Most men do not think like the ones on this sub. You need to know the majority of men (especially the ones who are worth dating) do not sit around and talk about human relationships like it’s Pokémon, with different strategies and stats. Plenty of men think this community is absolutely hilarious and even more probably would look at you like you are speaking a different language if you ask them about some of the concepts with all of the manosphere jargon they use because they have no idea what any of this is.

A lot of these guys are very young, if not total shut ins at least fairly unsocial people. So these aren’t gonna be your average guy you come across out in the real world. Even if it was most guys, this sub can be a great way to try to notice talking points to avoid when meeting a guy.

Will you have to sift through a few misogynists before you find a decent guy who acknowledges you as a unique human being with your own thoughts? Probably, but this sub is not a good general reflection of the dating pool. I was able to find someone and he laughs at some of the threads on here. Don’t lose hope. Good men are out there.

rhumel · 2022-07-09T17:02:09+00:00

Yes this sub is very toxic and the worst part is there’re several people, from both “sides” that have their preconceptions so ingrained into them that they can’t even realize how toxic their positions are.

It can get under your skin.

I tried to make a post asking for women to say something nice about men, either as a whole or individuals.

Several women did that and I appreciated but I also appreciated how some women explained to me that we should be focusing in individual worth instead of generalizing, as it’s also inherently sexist and not specifically sexist to a particular gender, it’s just that if you say that X good/bad trait is inherently male/female what you end up doing is demonizing (or the contrary, I don’t know the word lol sorry not native English speaker) 50% of humanity and imposing bad traits to individuals that may very well be the opposite.

All of that was very insightful, it created a healthy positive feedback and helped me (and I hope others) review how we’re approaching the men/women dichotomy that’s usually discussed here, defusing the rivalry and the prejudiced approach.

… and then some people just went full war. I’ve read ugly comments to the point of literally saying that men will eventually be replaced as the only human worth they have is the sperm needed to reproduce. Even some people who seemed to find worth in men didn’t want to share their insight and just went the “but men around here are hateful” implying “why would I say something nice about men if they’re hateful towards my gender”.

I understand the point but damn, can’t we have a single post we’re women say something nice about men?

I would love to make a post doing exactly the opposite asking men to have some positive feedback on what women bring to the table but the rules forbid me asking men as I’m a man. If a woman would like to do so, I would really appreciate it,,, but beware, some people will not drop their hate and if you read every comment you may find yourself more disheartened than before.

Then again this sub is not reality and I’m pretty aware of that: in my country the amount of women who blatantly hate men are very few and I have female friends that I love and cherish in a non romantic way and they love me back and care for me, so I nurture and rejoice in those bonds but boy if you spend too much time here you can quickly forget how men and women can actually like each other.

Btw you sound like you’re nice I’m sorry you got so many douches in your life, I hope you find men that give you something positive, either romantic or non romantic: in my view men and women complement each other and a healthy social life needs both in them.

Longjumping_Mud7294 · 2022-07-09T17:20:53+00:00

I made the mistake of reading twoxx, fds and other womens’ subs, and became very distrustful of women. I adore the women in my actual life and have to remind myself that not all women despise me because of my sex. Reddit is a cesspool but an addictive one. You can become addicted to the horror.

2022-07-09T19:41:54+00:00

It kinda opens your mind to see how a lot of men see women. You realize many guys feel subconsciously superior, more important and capable than women, can't empathize with us, and use women for their self image and confidence issues. All that plus rejected horniness makes them incredibly resentful.

It's hard to tell how many men are like this exactly, 90% of male friendships I've had imploded after realizing their ulterior motives or mild sexism. The only good guy friends I've had are hippie stoners and gay men.

Demasii · 2022-07-09T15:02:05+00:00

And then I gradually mentally talked myself out of it because of the stupid shit I read here.

9 times out of 10, your instincts are correct.

If it wasn't for this sub, you would have found another reason.

HazyMemory7 · 2022-07-09T20:11:31+00:00

The truth is often difficult to hear. Your own insecurities are your own fault. If you can't post here without internalizing things to the extent that you think every guy is an actor then you have bigger issues.

wtknight · 2022-07-10T00:05:10+00:00

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deznue · 2022-07-09T20:35:26+00:00

Women pass 30 gonna have hard time finding a good man unless she’s extremely beautiful with angelic vibes :)

ZealousidealAd7191 · 2022-07-09T22:29:22+00:00

This sub is toxic? Dating/marriage is toxic for a lot of men, i don’t know what your complaint is worth here.

You don’t trust men? You have practically an infinite number of public spaces to complain about it. Men who have lost trust in women have to carve out a damn secret underground fortress and it still gets invaded by shamers and cancelers. So again not sure what your complaint is worth here

2022-07-09T23:32:14+00:00

How do you keep on dating after reading these posts?

Ez pz. Go on date, don't expect anything (no, femfail, you ain't getting muhraged, rates are abysmally low), see what happens and only be there to have fun. Datentertinment.

calfshrug · 2022-07-09T15:47:25+00:00

We need to culturally normalize sticking with the first person that you click with, have a jury decide that each individual is not psycho or mentally inept and of a comparable smv, and then we need to allow infidelity, but quarantine and categorize those with STDs, and condoms need to be 100% mandatory unless detailed waivers are signed.

This way, fuckboys and fuckgirls have to stick with a jury deemed suitable match, everyone gets to have free sex, we get our soul mates and our jollies, and we aren’t just stranded feeling sorry for ourselves because men and women are all bad skeevers.

Inequality of looks distribution, personality distribution, self-contentment distribution, positivity, empathy, and every other trait disparity culminate in suffering of which each of us sees a different side

wtknight · 2022-07-09T14:54:23+00:00

I don't think that this sub is toxic. I think that it just underlines that one should have a plan for what one wants out of dating sex and stick to that plan so that one doesn't get "played" by the opposite sex. If a woman wants to have a relationship, then she needs to realize that early sex is a "gamble" and he might pump and dump or plate her, so making a man wait for sex is therefore advisable. But if a woman doesn't mind "gambling" that a man might do this and thinks that having sex early with a guy might make him more attracted to her for a relationshp, or if she doesn't mind the idea of just having fun with a guy with the distinct chance that he might not want a relationship with her, then she should just go for having sex with a guy if they both click with each other.

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Shebalied · 2022-07-09T15:17:41+00:00

Reddit is such a small subset of people. It is a echo chamber of the same people most times saying the same thing. Just don't go on two x chromosomes as it will make you hate men even more. That place is super toxic and most shit is just made up as a lot of stories are on reddit.

2022-07-09T15:25:52+00:00

I only use the Daily Chat to talk about other things to be honest.

8a19 · 2022-07-09T15:55:38+00:00

this sub is better used as a place of entertainment than legitimate advice

Vigeto619 · 2022-07-09T16:03:59+00:00

Men play games to compete with women and each other.

Consistent_Ad3181 · 2022-07-09T16:19:14+00:00

Deceit is more prevalent on both sides, it was always there but there is so much now. You can't build a long term relationship on gaming someone else.

q_dice · 2022-07-09T16:49:03+00:00

So I would like to ask in terms of dating, for men and women, with the way people are, losing interest, not feeling a spark, but enjoying the time spent, how does it not evolve into a numbers game for people? If you spend 2 months talking to one person with like 2 or 3 dates over that time how are you effectively increasing your own opportunities to finding some even if that person you are seeing is only talking to you? People lose interest daily, get ghosted, along with people being shaky and flaky about dating. You admitting you talked yourself out of it does add that this sub is toxic, but also adds to why dating turns into a numbers game. Which leads me back to my question to how it doesn't turn into a numbers game for people actively looking?

AGROCRAG004 · 2022-07-09T17:17:02+00:00

I think you fail to realize when you meet the one or someone you cannot live without and the feeling is mutual games won’t matter anymore

Erwinblackthorn · 2022-07-09T17:20:11+00:00

for all the people that are wondering how I don’t see this is all a niche, it’s because a big number of the men I’ve known in my adult life are like this.

How do you know your lifestyle isn't just attractive to such niche men? It would be like working in a special Ed class and thinking everyone was like that.

I’ve had to break so many friendships with men because I’ve seen how they talk about, treat, game and trick other women.

Thank you for deleting the friend zone for them and being honest with your intentions. The last thing a guy needs is to be led on by a woman who isn't actually interested.

shimapanlover · 2022-07-09T17:59:37+00:00

Here is the solution: If you do not show as much interest in him as he does in you, he will always have to try to convince you, if he really knows how, he might succeed.

Solution: Stop being so fickle and go for guys you want to sleep or have a relationship with. Where has the feminism gone? Is sex something being done to you or something that you enjoy as well? Because you act like the first.

Substantial_Video560 · 2022-07-09T19:52:25+00:00

I don't find this sub toxic at all. If anything it's been something of an eye opener for me. The more I find the dating game is rigged and that the chances of success for an average man are poor it simply confirms my beliefs.

I would also add that it makes me glad I made the right decision to start learning to make peace with being alone and finding acceptance. Personally for me this sub has been invaluable, so much information and experiences.

Draco359 · 2022-07-09T20:03:42+00:00

This sub shows you the half empty side of the glass.

Although the glass is half full, it's still not full glass meaning you still have to be warry of mind games, financial interests and toxic dating people.

It's up to each individual to find balance between the dark side of dating and the good side of humanity (or whatever the f is left of it)

PlayfulLawyer · 2022-07-09T20:06:07+00:00

That's why I always say this sub is 99% for entertainment value only as far as I'm concerned when it starts warping or bleeding into your real life, it's time to get off for a bit

Pinkrose571 · 2022-07-09T20:13:07+00:00

For me this sub provides a safe place to voice my options since I been banned from both sides for being in the middle. Plus it interesting hearing different opinions

Typo_of_the_Dad · 2022-07-09T20:23:41+00:00

I find it mostly moderate in either direction, certainly better than any feminist or mgtow forum.

If you are letting the internet affect your real life like that you should probably take a break, but I can empathize with your bad experiences.

Anykindofland · 2022-07-09T20:37:02+00:00

This sub just showed me that I am not alone with my experiences. That many men had the same or at least something extremely similar happening to them. This sub is just meeting point for experiences when it comes to dating, maybe a bit biased towards the most extreme examples yet that doesn't make them any less true.

anonymousUser1SHIFT · 2022-07-09T20:41:19+00:00

Edit: for all the people that are wondering how I don’t see this is all a niche, it’s because a big number of the men I’ve known in my adult life are like this. I’ve had to break so many friendships with men because I’ve seen how they talk about, treat, game and trick other women. I have had very very few positive male friendships, and even then I’m now paranoid about those.

Sounds like you found the niche in real life or you were poisoned by this "all men suck" idea a long time ago.

Honestly as a guy, I find tons of women miss attribute most of the bad things about dating/romance/sex to guys being a dick or intentionally malicious. (Definitely not true, women ghost guys just as much or more)

I have found that women that buy into the social narrative that men need to do better are also more inclined to believe that generally men suck and have to always prove themselves to be not dirt bags. (Again most men are not dirt bags, so assuming they are unless proven otherwise is bonkers)

When anyone thinks like this they tend to place all of the blame onto that person and ignore any opposing sides or experiences. (Ie understand that not everything in life has a solution where no one gets hurt, and that they are just doing what is best for them and have their own reasons).

CostcoPocket · 2022-07-09T22:13:08+00:00

Approach this sub as entertainment not reality. Like watching Mafia drama. You can observe, but not presume every Italian you meet is in the mob

I_am_Jacks_account1 · 2022-07-09T23:16:29+00:00

It's hard to be taken seriously when you are a well behaved, empathetic and polite man. Apparently I'm just pretending

piano_keys · 2022-07-09T23:35:43+00:00

Take a social media cleanse. What you’re reading is being reflected in the real world. This sub is not an accurate representation of men in general.

Nihi1986 · 2022-07-09T23:45:38+00:00

Yes, it's toxic, also useful to a degree.

I encourage you to stop reading it at least for a while until you find yourself with a more confident and positive mindset.

Example of toxicity: Regarding that guy, it sounds like purple pill just made you aware. It's your instinct. You know it doesn't make sense that he likes you so much, now you know he's playing games out of desperation.

The truth is probably somewhere in between that and a more optimistic view where the guy actually likes you enough to try, which doesn't mean that he wants the same things you want, that's something you'll have to find out before having sex. If he likes you he will stick around, just don't flirt with other men and let him know (in a subtle way if you want) that you are interested in a serious relationship (if this is the case) but want to get to know each other a bit first.

Now, if you really hate being used for sex and the guy happens to be that kind of guy, you could honestly thank this toxic sub and I'm being very honest about it.

Anyway, I'm very aware of how toxic the sub can be and how cynical and jaded many of us might have become, but kownledge and truth are concepts to embrace and value, just keep an eye around for the 'bluepilled' side of this world too. Look at that (desperate or not) guy who treats his girl like a princess and does it happily, to those honest and caring men you know, relatives or friends, and understand that those who don't seem it are probably just hurt and would love to have a loving relationship.

Also understand that relationships sometimes don't work. If a guy wants just sex but not a relationship you might not be compatible and that's all. (and yeah, he's being a disgusting asshole if he keeps trying to get sex after realizing this)

i_have_a_semicolon · 2022-07-10T00:01:36+00:00

My hubby is great, you should call up that dude

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2022-07-10T00:03:41+00:00

This sub and similar subs really taught me that AMALT, in the same way that AWALT. The gun is always loaded so it’s always good to regard men or anyone really with polite suspicion. But at the end of the day individual words and actions still matter over the collective, one you get to know someone.

LouisdeRouvroy · 2022-07-10T00:33:50+00:00

So basically him maybe being manipulative is bad. And of course, you're not at all... Who's going to believe that but you?

Teflon08191 · 2022-07-10T00:41:34+00:00

I think if you find your worldview being influenced negatively by the things you read on reddit, regardless of the subreddit, you should probably get off reddit.

laguaguadecarne · 2022-07-10T02:43:05+00:00

Oh freaking boy... the whole Reddit TRP/RPW/PPD is all toxic as hell. In fact, it has been hella toxic for many, many years.

When TRP stopped becoming about self-improvement and stoicism and suddenly became some alt-right fringe subculture about tradwives, replacement theory, western civilization this or that, etc it went down the drain.

How and why a mildly facetious self-improvement theory mainly based from 80's and 90's stand-up comedy, with some dosis of stoicism, Machiavelli's The Prince, and whose main shtick was borrowed from a movie... created by two transwomen AS AN ALLEGORY TO ESTROGEN HRT devolved into a hate group?!

I liked the red pill many, many MANY years ago. Why?

Due to my cultural background, that whole liberal feminist bullshit of chasing a man never sat well with me. NEVER!!!!

I grew up with lots of positive male role models. My grandfathers and uncles were also very active in my life. My dad taught me a lot of things: from helping me with algebra, introducing me to Seneca the Younger, firearm safety, and 80's metal, he also taught me most house and yard chores. And some car maintenance, too.

Despite my parents got divorced, they still co-parent and made sure that us (self and two brothers) were always number one. On that same note: they were very prudential in the way they handled their new partners.

Neither parent had a revolving door of partners in/out, and we managed to spend similar amounts of time with them. Then again, due to their shifting work schedules they got creative in how they handled that.

As an adult, while I had my share of bad relationships, the positive ones vastly outweighted the good ones.

My current one has lasted about 12 years: this November will be eleven years married.

TL;DR: Most of today's TRP discourse has deviated from its original purpose. It has morphed into something I no longer recognize. As someone from an actually traditional culture, who was raised with positive male role models, internet TRP/manosphere/MRA is in no way what early TRP was intending to accomplish.

DP8414 · 2022-07-10T03:46:01+00:00

For me, reading and commenting on posts like this was just a way to:

Get ahead of the game by anticipating all possibilities and outcomes, thus saving myself the pain of inevitable disappointment.
Rig the game in mens favor by effectively bullying women into either admitting the truth or changing their actions. I can see we’ve had success on that former count. For example, women are finally admitting that a man must be physically attractive for him to be a hook up or relationship material.

The internet has created a world where men and women no longer have to play trial and error with each other. We can discuss these issues, argue about these issues, and use that information to decide if we even want to compete at all. It sounds like what you’re chasing after is a strategy that has passed all of us by (except Boomers, god bless their naive souls).

I actually dont think its necessarily the case that a guy is always lying to you, but at the same time, you can safely assume that he’s acting and speaking with his own interests in mind first. We all are.

Want2Grow27 · 2022-07-10T05:09:10+00:00

And then I gradually mentally talked myself out of it because of the stupid shit I read here. How him actually being kind and considerate must be some sort of ‘play’. How he doesn’t actually find me attractive he is just playing a numbers game.

Okay first of all, if he didn't find you attractive, he wouldn't ask you out. Second of all, when guys say "it's a numbers game" what they mean is that 90% of the women they find attractive, will reject them. So they have to ask out as many attractive women as they can because otherwise they're fucked for life.

So basically, your not just another brick in the wall. Your more like vase full of water in a desert where the vast majority of vases are dull and empty. Also no guy actually likes treating dating as numbers game, the vast majority of us are forced to. If we had to befriend, court, and invest months into every lady we wanted to ask out, we would literally be single up until our 40s.

yaboytim · 2022-07-10T06:03:39+00:00

Here's the thing. Reddit is a small subset of society. Just because you things on here that you don't like, doesn't mean it applies to your relationship. I understand feeling insecure but you've been with him long enough that some trust should be in place. Something about him intrigued you in the first place, so don't let some random redditors change your view. It might help to stay away from subs like this.

thepowerelite · 2022-07-10T06:53:04+00:00

Do these links help?

https://www.truthaboutdeception.com/

https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill

Fine_Measurement7968 · 2022-07-10T07:45:09+00:00

That’s what happens when you take the pill, you’ll see the world for what it truly is. These games have been around since the beginning of time. I asked my grandpa once if he had sex before marriage! His reply was “it was after that, we had to get married “ he said to protect her image but he never loved her. One single mistake cost him his entire life.

Now that we live in a hookup culture, there is no reason for marriage. Therefore people will bail on others faster than our ancestors. People don’t want to work together anymore to fix relationships problems when you can easily start fresh with someone new.

FirsToStrike · 2022-07-10T09:49:30+00:00

Oh certainly, people here and redpill but also on female oriented subs like FDS or feminism all have these narratives they create about the world because of a lack of actual engagement with said world and the actual people they make sweeping generalizations about. If you want to figure the world out, go experience it, cuz these armchair theorists will only keep feeding you fantasy stories they invented out of their own limited bitter experiences.

It's not that much different from listening to a racist spout their drivel confidently about a particular race. Has the person actually befriended any people of said race, ever had to deal with them on a personal basis that allows for relationships to be built? If not, then their generalizations can be committed to the flames. Same goes with gender generalizations.

PM_ME_STRIPPERS · 2022-07-10T10:45:38+00:00

Its because you have been conditioned and gaslighted to think that majority of men act this way, which is a load of shit.

TonyJPRoss · 2022-07-10T10:48:33+00:00

It's entirely possible to view any normal behaviour through the lens of this sick subculture. Doesn't make any of it accurate or true.

Half my friends are female. I've been advised (back when i was single) by guys to stop using that dating strategy because it doesn't work. There was absolutely no way to prove I wasn't just trying to get with all my friends - even if I could speak convincingly then they could claim I was in denial about my own behaviour.

Most people don't believe in love at first sight - often attraction grows as love blossoms. So say he is playing a numbers game and his first thought about you when you first meet was "she'll do", that doesn't mean you aren't going to grow into marriage material in his eyes.

If you're decent at reading people you should be able to feel when something's really not right. You'll know if everything he does is a sham and he's leading you on. You're not easily fooled. If this sub caused you to "talk yourself out of" a good thing then you might be able to rectify it by talking to him - if it helped you see his true colours then good! Carry on.

ConsultJimMoriarty · 2022-07-10T12:15:04+00:00

Every time I read this sub I worry more and more about straight people.

Plopolok · 2022-07-10T12:57:04+00:00

I’ve had to break so many friendships with men because I’ve seen how they talk about, treat, game and trick other women.

There's a selection bias here: men who don't game and trick women can't even reach their social circle, because they're in competition with the men who do. Even women game and trick other women all the time.

Bobbyjets · 2022-07-10T14:26:10+00:00

This sub isn't toxic at all. What you have are a minority of the population discussing their personal experiences. For better or for worse, you learn how some people view the world. You can use that knowledge, or you can ignore it. It absolutely shouldn't make you toxic, if it is you should ignore it or try to read it in a different light

AdobiWanKenobi · 2022-07-10T18:52:05+00:00

Now I can’t get past the idea they are just playing games

Yeah… on dating apps

realvmouse · 2022-07-10T20:04:18+00:00

It's named "purple pill" and attracts red pill people and people who are willing to interact with red pill people. Red pill means, almost by definition, men who are not functional as relationship partners. Unfortunately, they exist in real life too, but the percentage is very high here and while unfortunately high in the real world, it's not AS high.

AreOut · 2022-07-10T20:42:03+00:00

"And then I gradually mentally talked myself out of it because of the stupid shit I read here."

I hope you told him the real reason for breaking up because the guy should be relieved in that case.

Also the "numbers game" doesn't mean he is going to cheat on you, maybe he wouldn't meet you if he didn't approach a lot of women and instead of thanking the numbers game for clicking with him you are dissing it.

antlindzfam · 2022-07-11T06:30:18+00:00

This sub is not the norm. Most of the men I encounter (including my husband) are kind, genuine, good people. Idk what’s wrong with most of the men here, but they ain’t right. I mostly read this stuff out of morbid curiosity. Sounds to me like this sub isn’t good for your mental health.

Mettyuuu · 2022-07-11T15:15:55+00:00

This sub is full of sociopaths from both genders. At least you know they are out there but don't treat every guy like that, just learn from the sociopaths here and try to avoid them.

IcarusKiki · 2022-07-11T21:24:29+00:00

No its not its funny

Title	This sub is toxic for women (as well as men)
Author	anon018274031
Upvotes	193
Comments	438
Date	July 9, 2022 2:48 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/vv3any/this_sub_is_toxic_for_women_as_well_as_men/
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