Even if a research proved tomorrow that women's standards are 110% delusional they are still entitled to it

Occams_clipper · 2025-12-07T21:21:21+00:00

Women are entitled to their standards but that doesn't mean that society as a whole has to cheer them on.

Large_Bed_4251 · 2025-12-07T23:49:33+00:00

Sure, but when men have any standards they're accused of being an incel misogynist with a tiny penis. At least have some consistency.

NockerJoe · 2025-12-07T19:55:43+00:00

I mean yeah but if you're a picky eater you don't get to act like a food critic and shit talk everything else on the menu like its from a place of refinement.

Which is what actually happens. I can't even go on social media without seeing things like bisexual women getting shit for still being attracted to men, or acting like men exclusively commit crimes, or all the other dumb shit terminally online women say in echo chambers. Same for a lot of women I've known in real life who love to throw shit out at the male gender any time their standards go wrong and result in a failed relationship.

If you silently hold your own standards thats one thing. But thats not the actual environment that exists out in the world.

Podlubnyi · 2025-12-07T23:15:07+00:00

You can have whatever standards you like.

By all means demand a brand new $400k Ferrari when you stack shelves at Walmart.

Just don't whine and expect sympathy when you end up with nothing.

WebNew9978 · 2025-12-08T16:26:21+00:00

You and other woman can have their standards you want when it comes to your dating life. The thing I’ve see/seen women struggle with is the fact they can’t control the reaction to their standards. Women seem to believe the undesirable men should be ok with never having the chance at having a dating life. Like they’re not allowed to feel certain feelings regarding it. Women want their cake and eat it all.

Big-Sir7034 · 2025-12-07T20:26:50+00:00

Yes. You’re right. In the same way men are entitled to only want unattainable women with stick figure torsos, a perfect face w/o makeup, G cup breasts and a wide backside who will also be a sugar mommy, the bread winner and have primary childcare duties. Doesn’t stop that desire or the underlying stereotypes/values from being harmful. Also doesn’t stop people from criticising what you value.

ResponsibleSetting35 · 2025-12-07T20:51:01+00:00

Agreed they are able to have their standards or stay single. That doesn’t give them the right to tear down men as a whole for not meeting their standards. They need to move on.

WanabeInflatable · 2025-12-07T19:52:52+00:00

Women don't choose between man A and man B. They choose between man and being single. Turns out being single is OK and they don't have to lower standards

Kreeps_United · 2025-12-07T20:23:41+00:00

I think a lot more men would be okay with this if they weren't always told that their standards are morally wrong.

Neptune-Jnr · 2025-12-07T22:10:14+00:00

And we would still be entitled to call out that those women's standards are delusional and harmful to a productive and non toxic dating market.

projecteddesperation · 2025-12-07T20:19:48+00:00

Over most of the 20th century, men had antiquated ideals for women to be obedient housewives. Women did not just throw up their hands and say men are entitled to whatever they want. No, they fought to shift sociocultural perspectives to change women's valuation.

Now here in the 21st century, many women have antiquated ideals for men to be tall providers. We're not about to throw up our hands and say women are entitled to whatever tf they want either. No, per the concept of equality, women too should face pressure to update and modernize their valuation of men as well.

NuclearDoctrine · 2025-12-07T21:16:49+00:00

No person is entitled to a standard that is delusional, because the standard doesn't exist. You cannot be entitled to something that factually does not exist. Furthermore even if the thing can exist you're not entitled to possessing it.

Let's deconstruct a standard in any other context and show utterly ridiculous this particular choice of word is and why everyone should hold it in contempt for it's disingenuous usage. Building codes have construction standards. It's consequential if you don't meet these standards. The one prevailing constant of all standards is that it's something that can be theoretically achieved. If your standard is to build a skyscraper out of bamboo, this is false standard. It's false because you'll be unable to demonstrate an example of it being replicated anywhere else in the world. A standard must actually be something you can duplicate in reality, otherwise it's a not a standard. You cannot be entitled to something you cannot copy in reality.

Furthermore even if you have a strict standard, that does exist in reality, you're not entitled to it. Travel to any third world country where buildings collapse and people die. These people, matter of factly, are not entitled to constructing buildings to strict standards even if the standard is theoretically possible. You cannot be entitled to any specific quality standard anymore than you're entitled to eat organic produce over pesticide saturated lettuce. There are finite resources in the world that dictate what standards your entitled too. Clean water is mostly possible. Matsuaka Waguy beef isn't.

The term that you intentionally disingenuously slip in by sleight of hand is "standard", when you really mean "preference". And the reason that you women use "standard" over "preference" is because this allows you to not be called schizophrenic. Someone whom has preferences that are wholly unaligned with reality's standards is a crazy person. Yes you're entitled to being crazy. And we're entitled to call you crazy.

xxTheMagicBulleT · 2025-12-07T22:00:44+00:00

Much of the world is you get based on what you give. So if you only wanna take. You get more and more people that will do and treat you the same way.

So its fine. In time everyone will get what they get.

Just as people think the party last for ever it often does not.

Thats the same with bad boys that live wild and live on the edge. And the same is true with party girls.

So how you treat people so will people treat you the same way. So based on effort or lack off you get the outcomes that you deserve. Thats what people would call karma. Balance in all things and often the problem is that women think they always have all the power. But power switches and the side that has leverage changes.

Why many people when they abuse the leverage when they have it but complain when the other side has leverage that they use it.

People are allowed to be as delusional as they want. And when the power switches men are allowed to be just as nasty and delusional towards women all the same.

Whats true balance. How you treat people people remember it and when they have leverage treat you the very same way they been treated.

So both sides can be as delusional as they want with the consequences attached to it.

rejected-again · 2025-12-08T07:57:35+00:00

If you're a picky eater then don't complain when you become malnourished.

3ONEthree · 2025-12-08T12:17:07+00:00

Halo effect

eluusive · 2025-12-07T21:04:30+00:00

Sure, that's absolutely fine, but then maybe they can stop wondering where all the good men went.

MarioWilson122 · 2025-12-07T20:34:04+00:00

Well it would change, because men wouldn't take her serious if her standards are much higher then what she qualifies for. Of course women never think so, but if a man knows he's superior to her, then he wont take her all that serious. So if they are ok with a good number of men not taking her serious or being alone, then I guess being delusional can be ok.

belongtomee · 2025-12-07T21:55:03+00:00

Either I get the man I want or I’ll be single.

For men, they want the woman they want or they’ll take any women they can get.

Alarmiorc2603 · 2025-12-07T22:47:13+00:00

If women are generally being super delusional and entitled that is not a mindset they are entitled to have without challenge. They should absolutely be heavily shamed and ridiculed for choosing to think like this, and there absolutely should be government initiatives to convince younger women not to follow in their footsteps.

purenonsense2757 · 2025-12-08T05:24:18+00:00

It's literally the opposite side of the same coin as women laughing at "incels." You clown them for wanting women "out of their league," yet I'd say most women don't qualify for the type of men they want. Especially cause of their hypergamous nature. Isn't basically wanting a man taller, stronger, more financially secure, and competent than yourself the same as what "incels" what for themselves?

I think women being delusional about their standards are looked at as the woman version of being an "incel" and if you can clown men about it then they deserve to be clowned just as hard.

If everyone is entitled to their own opinions than clowning a delusional person is just as valid as being able to be delusional.

BCRE8TVE · 2025-12-08T07:19:20+00:00

People are entitled to shoot themselves in the foot if they want, they're then not entitled to blame me for it and demand I feel bad for the fact they shot themselves in the foot.

If women had stupidly high delusional standards that would suck, but then they go and blame men for failing to stand up to stupidly high delusional standards, instead of recognizing that the stupidly high delusional standards are stupidly high and delusional.

No one better than you knows what food you want to eat and what food you don't like to eat. Women can tell who they want to let inside their bodies and who they don't.

Absolutely.

It's just interesting to see that often who women SAY they want to let inside their bodies doesn't always match up to who they ACTUALLY let into their bodies.

Even if you are a picky eater and you don't eat 90 percent of all food that's all right and your problem to deal with and no one should shove it down your throat.

I agree.

So maybe women can stop shoving it down men's throats how men ain't shit and where have all the good men gone. If it's their problem to deal with, why do we keep hearing about it and keep being blamed for it all the time?

Cautious-Row6756 · 2025-12-07T20:32:49+00:00

And men are entitled to pick foreign wives or escorts because they think western women aren't good enough for them for not being submissive or skinny enough.

NoDanaOnlyZuuI · 2025-12-07T19:53:00+00:00

Entitled to standards of their choosing? Yes.

Should I be required to show empathy when she ends up on welfare, or in a battered woman's shelter, or alone and on antidepressants? Hell no.

aryaman16 · 2025-12-07T23:15:25+00:00

Maybe we all need to learn about abstractions or different POVs.

Men don't complain about women's preferences; they complain about the Vast difference in experiences of those with certain quality and another with certain quality, which kind off becomes like a hierarchy, and manifests in almost every kind of experience.

Whatever preference you have, Everyone wants just their sexual lives to be just good enough and they won't care to complain.

Yeah, you are a picky eater, but I am also free to complain about my carrots not being sold anywhere and me going bankrupt.

We can't change what anyone wants, but we can atleast empathize with other people as a first step.........

Popeoath · 2025-12-08T00:07:35+00:00

The point is simply that if your standards exceed your offerings then you shouldn't complain about them not being met or blaming people who don't meet them.

The posts here are not about happily healthily single women.

BobtheArcher2018 · 2025-12-08T01:44:45+00:00

If enough women aren't attracted to enough men--or vice versa--then society has a problem. A problem that impacts everyone, men and women alike. Anyone can be entitled to whatever, but that doesn't change the fact that there is a problem.

KhadgarIsaDreadlord · 2025-12-08T11:11:47+00:00

You can set the bar however high you want, being able to reach it is your problem not mine. You are entilted to that. You are not entilted to going public with your outlandish standards and not get ridiculed. You are not entilted to shame people for not living up to your standards. Nobody is shaming the woman who decided that anything short of Chris Evans is a no go when she's keeping that information to herself.

Having preferences is ok. Openly saying that the man you are looking for has to be 6'0, muscular and have a car makes you come off as a shallow bitch, hence the ridicule.

Narrow-Ad-7856 · 2025-12-08T12:11:46+00:00

Women's "standards" online and on dating apps are different than in real life.

Blacktransjanny · 2025-12-08T00:40:36+00:00

Then those same women need to stop acting entitled to men's offerings. Things like giving up seats, paying for dinners, "defending" women, making "room at the business table", etc... Men aren't entitled to women's bodies but at the same time why are women entitled to men's success and efforts at running a society.

Dertross · 2025-12-07T23:46:19+00:00

You mean like how people are entitled to their life, but that is quickly done away with when it is inconvenient for too many people? Because that's what is going to happen if women's standards prevent them from reproducing and governments start getting skittish about their chances of winning wars.

megamike121 · 2025-12-08T00:53:34+00:00

Women are okay with eugenics tbh

Impressive_moosenuck · 2025-12-07T23:55:37+00:00

and women are not entitled to men voting and leaning left, men shifting to the right should just be accepted by women and the outcomes that come with it

DietTyrone · 2025-12-07T20:43:31+00:00

Yes, women are entitled to have delusional unrealistic standards. However, what they are not entitled to is sympathy when they inevitably complain about being alone or the quality of men while continuing to ignore any advice or self reflect on how they directly contribute to their own problems.

SeemedGood · 2025-12-07T21:57:19+00:00

Entitlement itself is delusional.

N_Count_Council · 2025-12-07T23:08:45+00:00

Then these women shouldn't cry when they're 60 and lonely, since they were "entitled"

tbh entitlement is what's killing dating

fatalcharm · 2025-12-08T09:59:02+00:00

It’s only delusional if they are complaining about not meeting any men while having such high standards. If the women hold high standards but are not fussed about meeting men who live up to those standards, that actually quite reasonable.

Many women nowadays, are able to provide ourselves with a high standard of living. We are starting to have the same concerns that men used to have about protecting our assets and maintaining our lifestyles. We don’t want to sacrifice anything. We are happy living our lives like this and if a man wants to join in, he has to be able to fit in our lives without causing too much disruption or chaos.

Sometimes this means we will never meet a man who will smoothly fit into our lifestyles. Then it comes down to a decision, what do you want more? The lifestyle or the relationship? Many women will choose to keep their lifestyles and accept the fact that they might remain single.

Times are changing, women are changing. Men are getting left behind, stuck on old values that don’t hold up in modern times. Women aren’t as men-focused as they have been in the past and they don’t depend on men like they have in the past. Many men are left scratching their heads wondering why women don’t obsess over them, when they have little to offer other than to drain a woman’s bank account.

mcmlxiv1 · 2025-12-07T20:08:34+00:00

Let’s be clear no one can tell you what your standards should be.

I only want to date big booby goth chicks, most women to me are ogre like succubi. They are genetic dead ends.

My issue is that women feel the need to say their preferences so often. No one cares.

Any old landwhale can say she only wants to date Henry Cavill from behind a keyboard. Like the women on this sub.

Socially inempt, fatties, that barely got through life smashing their heads on their keyboards with gelatinous slime dripping from between their legs saying

“ I rather stay single than, my life is so amazing, a man needs to come to improve my life”

But guys think that it’s some decent woman saying this message, it’s not.

Women are egotistical they will never let you easily think that they are struggling or have issues.

You guys want women to be humble? It ain’t happening.

She would rather lie to everyone she knows than admit she is lonely.

This is an ego contest.

Women talk endless nonsense, because there’s literally no downside.

If she says every man is beneath her, men will try to improve to be above that. She is actually incentivized to be a snobbish bumbling fool.

TheBroke1234 · 2025-12-07T20:06:57+00:00

You are absolutely right that women are entitled to delusional standards.

I think that delusion can be harmful to the individual women that suffer from the delusion as well as for society as a whole. Not advocating any government mandating women have lower standards btw, I think the change needs to be cultural.

This is gonna piss a lot of people off, but another mass "high standards" delusion people are currently suffering from at least in america are economic standards. A lot of people don't realize that its totally normal to take low paying jobs, live with roommates, eat out very rarely, be in debt, etc. in your early 20s. And wanting your own place without roommates in a desirable city at 19 is a pretty absurd standard, and it hurts you as an individual because many 19 year olds are now staying home, or wallowing in self-pity over supposed "poverty" even though they could be out having fun and living life even making little money like 20 year olds have always done. AND it also makes people give up and not try. Being financially successful at 25 and buying your own house isn't impossible, but if you feel its an entitlement you won't do the work to build the wealth to buy the house. And these delusions causes people to vote for really stupid populist policies that just throw fuel on the fire and make things worse.

Same goes for dating, if you give up and be single just because you can't get a high standard with 0 effort that you think you are entitled to, that hurts you a lot. It also has societal consequences. Really this goes for any delusion that becomes a mass delusion. If one person believes in chemtrails and thinks that birds are government drones, you feel really bad for them. If 50% of people think that, you fear that society is gonna collapse.

Seaside877 · 2025-12-07T19:51:19+00:00

Yes and your culture and country as you know it now will be extinguished within 100-200 years. It will be replaced by cultures that are uber patriarchal.

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DGenerationMC · 2025-12-07T20:41:39+00:00

Even if you are a picky eater and you don't eat 90 percent of all food that's all right and your problem to deal with and no one should shove it down your throat.

So, do they get a cookie?

Restaurants tend to offer dessert too, ya know.

No_Project_4738 · 2025-12-07T20:48:09+00:00

I think we are all entitled to hold what ever standard we want when it comes to relationships/who enters our body, but I don’t think we should advocate being delusional about it. Presumably there is a difference between a high standard and a delusional standard. What makes a standard delusional and why not just have the high standard and not the delusional one?

balhaegu · 2025-12-08T03:48:57+00:00

And even if research proved that passport bros who get younger and more willing partners from other countries are total losers they dont gaf and are entitled to their choices

thekickeroffish · 2025-12-08T05:04:23+00:00

Set the bar wherever you want

Just expect others to do the same for you

BrianMeen · 2025-12-08T05:44:55+00:00

I’m fine with everyone having their own standards but I’m also a fan of calling people out on their delusion. if I have a friend that is single and doesn’t like it yet has sky high standards(all the while they deliver very little in return) then I will politely tell them that..

I know 3 people who have wonky standards - 2 are women and they will most likely be single for a long time

Tearsforayear · 2025-12-08T07:33:41+00:00

100% agree. Let’s all touch grass now.

il_nascosto · 2025-12-08T08:59:08+00:00

Research has proven it already. Of course they’re entitled to be delusional idiots. No law against it!

ColdInteresting3101 · 2025-12-08T13:40:09+00:00

still entitled to it

I would enjoy a PPD discussion around what "entitlement" means and just exactly who is "entitled" in our society. Endless rhetoric about men who behave like they are "entitled" but when I weigh social dynamics, it seems that women are genuinely "entitled" to a whole lot with the attention they receive, whereas when we speak of men being "entitled," we mean that they think they deserve things that they don't actually deserve.

AuraCore-main · 2025-12-08T15:46:24+00:00

Nah I'm glad this being exposed

2025-12-08T23:51:30+00:00

Sure, but at the same time don't complain about it if you can't find anyone who meets your (delusional) standards.

All for having high standards but accept there is a chance you'll end up by yourself.

Alternatively, if you're desperate to have a family or whatever just find your non negotiables and stick to them.

I do also find it slightly irritating when people look for a long list of qualities in others when they themselves aren't bring equivalent value to the relationship.

OkOutlandishness6370 · 2025-12-09T00:23:36+00:00

If you can maintain high standards and never have it impact someone else's live negatively then sure. But if you have high standards, then can't find a man who meets those standards and then lash out at men that becomes an "everyone" problem.

So as long as you do it in silence have at it, but the instant you complain about men sucking, you open yourself up to cross-examination.

OwnerSebi · 2025-12-09T05:26:11+00:00

I hate how both men and women seem to not realize that being so stupidly stubborn and thinking like this has nothing to do with agency, self-respect, etc.

Yes, your unrealistic preferences do undervalue the people around you. Men are not different from each other, neither are women. A loud and relatable feeling or statement can become a pattern, which can become the unspoken norm. Same is for men. If you encourage a shallow behaviour for the sake of agecy, you are creating a toxic stereotype. What if we apply that to men? What if men felt entitled to unrealistic standards that, in time, those become encouraged as the norm and it brings the entirety of the oppisite gender distress and general unfairness or unbalance?

It's not "my choice and experiences against the world", it's "my choice and experiences against someone else's" repeatedly. Every "yes" or "no", and every "not my type" or "too short" or "perfect" can affect a person's life forever.

Yes, people have entitlement and control over their body; but socially gatekeeping(or encouraging it) love, intimacy, and companionship because of not meeting some unrealistic or shallow preference is dangerous.

It doesn't even have to be about dating. Anything that a gender encourages or imposes as a whole, which in turn affects the opposite gender, it becomes a problem. What if men with essential high-risk jobs stopped doing their job because they don't get exactly what they want, no matter how absurd? You would have nobody taking care of hydro, nuclear, or solar electricity for entire cities or countries. You'd have almost no army or police force, and also no/less medical and firefighter staff.

Point is, neither men nor women are singular beings in society, your opinion and views on anything, including dating, affects everybody.

TreeSweden · 2025-12-09T16:23:59+00:00

Others don't have to appreciate the demands of others. No person, including women, is entitled to a certain standard. "*not trying to punish some men or reward some other people and she isnt hurting anyone by not sleeping with him" That's different from when you claim that women are entitled to their preferences

TreeSweden · 2025-12-09T16:26:05+00:00

"No one better than you knows what food you want to eat and what food you don't like to eat". In that case, no one should blame sex for not being a right.

TreeSweden · 2025-12-09T16:32:35+00:00

Changing your requirements doesn't automatically mean lowering your standards.

TreeSweden · 2025-12-09T16:36:38+00:00

It's not about any law, but about whether you think women should have these requirements.

TreeSweden · 2025-12-09T17:25:15+00:00

As I said, you don't have to appreciate other people's demands Even many women think about themselves when it comes to relationships and it's not really about equality. For example, this group is supposed to be about radical feminism and equality. A person who wrote a thread about men's beauty standards being more normal than women's beauty standards and not being as socially accepted as men's. It's supposed to be unfair but then the same person claims that it's women who should choose because of some biology and it's men's beauty standards that are wrong.

http://np.reddit.com/r/RadicalFeminism/comments/1phq8q1/comment/nt53udh/?context=3

Expensive-Care1746 · 2025-12-09T22:42:58+00:00

Just because you want it doesn’t mean anyone or society has to care or owes you something.

Ranziel · 2025-12-11T05:02:26+00:00

What does "entitled" mean? Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, it goes without saying. It can still be a stupid opinion, though. If a woman wants a 6'5 millionaire and is wondering why oh why can't she find someone like that to be with... well, she's being silly, and I can point and laugh at her. As people do.

Far_Secret_2710 · 2025-12-14T18:20:27+00:00

The world doesn’t owe girls anything

2025-12-07T19:56:20+00:00

It would change male perception. Believing this would cease to be just a RP talking point and men in masse would just lose interest. It would be the sub 5s hit the hardest initial. But even the 6s and 7s would start to have guys just walking away at the whiff of delusion.

growframe · 2025-12-07T20:03:06+00:00

I agree except

that's all right and your problem to deal with and no one should shove it down your throat.

That's not how it's always presented.

LawfulnessSuper5091 · 2025-12-07T20:48:07+00:00

Yes although it's not harmful to remind everybody, irrespective of gender, that being highly unrealistic may cut off life opportunities.

Also men's standards should not then be demonised, including preferring younger women (within reason), or women of certain racial backgrounds etc are not of themselves bad things.

Independent-Mail-227 · 2025-12-08T01:22:58+00:00

No, they're not by the simply fact those standards only exist because they're backed up by men taxes.

If you are a pick eater while your food is provided by someone else you're just a piece of shit.

IgorXY · 2025-12-07T19:55:10+00:00

And? Does not mean I can't complain about it.

Even if you are a picky eater and you don't eat 90 percent of all food that's all right and your problem to deal with and no one should shove it down your throat.

So should be kids allowed to eat only candy? Weird example. There are many self destructive things in this world that anyone can do freely, does not mean it's a good idea.

Pristine-Book884 · 2025-12-07T19:51:54+00:00

So it looks like you don’t really view men as people if you’re saying that it’s OK to objectify them, body shame them, use them for money whatever, at scale.

Just shows you view half the population not as equals but as nuisances or worse. If you’re not cool with men collectively judging, disparaging, and being shallow to women at scale, not sure how’d you rationalize being ok with this, while still claiming you want equality.

Knight-Bishop · 2025-12-07T21:07:09+00:00

And by the way, the only reason you broads can chase men objectively out of your league is because men built the first world & maintain the 1st world society you live in.

Men have made y’all’s lives so easy in the West that y’all take it granted.

Men built the roads. Men designed the iPhone you hold in your hands you use in order to type your lil ignorant trash 🗑️. Men built the buildings where you go type a few words a day in order to make your $24 bucks an hour.

Because men built such a beautiful world that your female gender hardly did shit to build, it fulfills the beta bucks resource side when yall are in y’all’s prime before hitting the Wall.

It gives y’all a safety net to protect y’all anytime y’all fuck up.

However, when y’all hit the Wall, because women’s thirst for men’s resources that they themselves didn’t earn is insatiable, broads like yourself go pathologically seek men to be a leech off of in order to divorce rape them.

j-stone2030 · 2025-12-08T02:42:20+00:00

And who cares, then they go around complaining🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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abraham_ares · 2025-12-07T20:14:18+00:00

I think you forget that most woman aren’t as independent as they think meaning if a lot of people for some weird reason found bald guys hot over a longer period of time a lot more woman would join and find bald guys attractive. So they aren’t really picky just in a lot of cases not able to have their own opinion which is funny I think

Junior_Ad_3086 · 2025-12-07T20:41:51+00:00

it's fine to be delusional of course. what i don't like is blaming other people for your shortcomings (in this case, men as a collective group) when those delusions don't materialize in the real world. plenty of women do this with non-sense takes about how women 'levelled up' and how there are so many more amazing single women out there compared to male counterparts. not just here or on feminist tiktok pages, it's a common talking point in mainstream spaces at this point.

besides, the research on promiscuity that doesn't align with liberal feminist world views already shows that plenty of women (and some men) don't care about science anyway - they're steadfast idealogues.

Title	Even if a research proved tomorrow that women's standards are 110% delusional they are still entitled to it
Author	Jazzlike-Lifeguard38
Upvotes	94
Comments	396
Date	December 7, 2025 7:46 PM UTC (7 months ago)
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