CMV: The fact that Red Pillers still want their daughters to be educated girlbosses is hypocritical

plumtastic · 2023-04-11T11:13:36+00:00

As a woman, relying on the prospect of finding a benevolent protector/provider is just about the same as stepping into traffic with eyes closed. It would be nice not to be run over wouldn't it? Fingers crossed! Might get lucky! Weeeeeee

neverjumpthegate · 2023-04-11T12:16:04+00:00

It's like any other pyramid scheme. The people at the top don't buy into their own shit, they just want to make money off of suckers.

Trouvette · 2023-04-11T11:28:55+00:00

The problem with RP ideas is that it only accounts for women who are potential dating/relationship partners. It starts to break down when women who do not fall into that category are introduced. All the things they say about women they want to date would never be said about their daughters. And if they were said, most people would call those guys creeps. It’s almost as if you can’t view women as a monolith.

Flightlessbirbz · 2023-04-11T14:38:41+00:00

Yep, I’ve been saying this for a while now. You can find out what men really think is best for women by seeing what they want for their daughters. And that’s usually NOT skipping college and getting married at 18-22 and being housewives. A lot of men want women to exist to serve them, but their daughters they see as a reflection of themselves and want them to thrive.

DarthMemus · 2023-04-11T13:30:38+00:00

rollo often brags about hus daughter being well educated and successful in her doings, too

Loveenglishpeople · 2023-04-11T13:17:08+00:00

Exactly. They know a woman cannot be 100% on a man. They know it.

The lies they tell are just a philosophy that brings them money home, but they don’t even believe it themselves. They know it has huge flaws in real life.

If we were to really make women rely 100% on men, we need to make sure they get heavily compensated every single time he leaves her or she has to leave him because he’s violent or stuff like that.

revente · 2023-04-11T13:49:27+00:00

TRP isn’t a moral theory how to create a fair society.

But a tool for the guys to get more sex and achieve other life goals.

It’s perfectly fine for TRP to be hypocritical.

And female dating strategies are even more hypocritical. Most girls wouldn’t want their future sons to be treated the way they treat guys.

Purple317 · 2023-04-11T14:57:27+00:00

There was a thread a few months back that posted results of a survey where men were asked to rate favorable personality traits for their wives and daughters. As you can probably guess - men preferred their wives to be sweet, agreeable, cooperative, and submissive. And they preferred their daughters to be intelligent, independent, and assertive.

gate18 · 2023-04-11T11:57:09+00:00

Every ideological person is a hypocrit.

Also, the problem with public figures (which I guess a podcaster is - I've never heard of Rollo Tomassi before) is that that's their job.

You can remove a young man from redpill if he was no investment on it, but you can't stop a podcaster from milking whatever is bringing them money.

Imagine I had a podcast on conspiracy theories.

During COVID my content output would be off the charts, right?! Yet even as I would speak against covid vaccines I would have had no problem is going to get the shots myself.

This is not me saying "since I would act the same way if I was in their shoes, I shouldn't criticise them", no. But the fact that we know humans can be hypocrite, the fact that most that sell a product (which what redpill content is) do not give a fuck about the customers or the ethical implications of what they are selling, makes me cautious.

There's this moron in a reality TV show that has a sister, they asked him about her and he praised her and spoke of her art, another day he said women are good only for sex! And, there's this stupid cultural norm that no one asks "so are you saying the work your sister is doing is worthless and instead she should just become a housewife"?

I saw a few minutes of the interview you linked to and the guy spoke of how he's raising his daughter and how he remembers every woman he met in his 30s had daddy issues. Bull fucking shit. But no, the audience is primed to agree even though it doesn't make sense.

I've argued with a few people in this sub after they wrote a post with "Every woman..." and I tell them "absolutely not every woman". And they (a) call me names, and (b) say that I'm the only one so far that took those words literally. Well, that's because red pillers are primed to either believe that "every woman..." or ignore that at minimum their mother or their sister isn't like that

Asatmaya · 2023-04-11T10:42:13+00:00

Wait a minute, when did "red pill" turn into Tradcon?

scwizard · 2023-04-11T20:59:13+00:00

Conservative men aren't raising their daughters to be housewives, neither are conservative women.

I'm sure there's a few crazy people who are but it's super rare, and it's not how most housewives are made. I think most housewives basically were barely raised at all and had neglectful parents. They fall into the role out of pure survival and try and make a better life for their daughters than they had, do they don't have to do the same thing they did.

Zestyclose_Truth9999 · 2023-04-11T11:14:54+00:00

The dating sphere, in general, has plenty of hypocrites.

People that refuse to work on their own attractiveness and get bitter when attractive people won't date them are hypocritical.

Out-of-shape/obese people that expect their partners to be fit/of average weight are hypocritical.

People that demand equality and refuse to go Dutch on dates/reciprocate are hypocritical.

gofigure62 · 2023-04-11T14:09:08+00:00

I'm conflicted on this one because there are peddlers like Jordan Peterson who pressured his daughter into early motherhood and marriage, which was a colossal failure for her. Peterson turned his own daughter into a single mother and they make up an excuse that "her IQ was too high" lol.

Some of them genuinely believe what they're saying, but lack the intelligence and have an inability to be grounded in reality. These people completely ignore history and reality. Women fought to be independent from men because most men will abuse the authority that they have within their homes with vulnerable women and children. Men weren't good partners that actually provided for and protected their families. They were predatory tyrants that terrorized their wives and children because they could. Women have documents how shit the deal was and how their husbands were horrible people that treated them like trash.

They're always trying to reference that women were "happier" being under their foot, when that is a blatant lie. Women were miserable, the men were happier lol.

The rest of the guys are grifters and they don't believe a word that they say. They protect their daughters from the men that the preach to and make sure that their children are set for life and have the tools that they need to protect themselves from getting used and exploited by psychopathic, emotionally unstable, weak males.

womandatory · 2023-04-12T13:59:24+00:00

A man is not a plan. Never was, never will be.

dynospectrum7 · 2023-04-11T12:30:30+00:00

Very poor argument.

Getting an education is different than becoming the man you wan to marry and waiting until the last minute to date with intent.

SnowBorn6339 · 2023-04-11T17:40:23+00:00

Much of what redpill men believe is deeply hypocritical. Like how women are dirty whores for enjoying sex, but men are allowed to have drunken one night stands and it’s okay.

Or when they rail against “whores” who have abortions, but they’ll encourage the poor girl they knock up to have one because they don’t want the responsibility.

Or when they cry “society treats men like they’re disposable!! Women just want us to slave away and give them all our money!!” But then they want a dependent trad wife who contributes nothing financially.

Or like my dad who said this weekend, “women have no right to come into the workforce and then complain and want to change everything,” as he comes home and complains about his job daily. Lmao.

wtknight · 2023-04-11T12:09:35+00:00

I’m not Red Pill, but I don’t think that there is anything mutually exclusive about women being educated but also not behaving promiscuously and ultimately following her partner’s lead. The Married Red Pillers often talked about a captain/first mate situation. Having the title of “first mate” does connote some level of competence that would likely come with some level of education.

There are plenty of countries, like my wife’s native country, where women are still educated yet are still largely living under a male in charge scenario. Women being educated is seen as a plus to bring in more income to the family.

With that being said, I’m personally an egalitarian. I just want to see sound arguments being made on this sub, and I don’t think that this one is.

Mydragonurdungeon · 2023-04-11T12:52:03+00:00

There's zero contradiction here. Women who go to college are exposed to several young men who will go on to make serious amounts of money. Best place to find a good moneymaking husband young.

potoricco · 2023-04-11T11:22:32+00:00

I hate to defend the enemy but

I don’t see why RP would be against women receiving education, especially one’s own child. That is more tradcon types.

relish5k · 2023-04-11T13:50:53+00:00

TRP can't be hypocritical in this vein because it makes no assertion about doing what is best for women, ever.

purplish_possum · 2023-04-11T14:46:54+00:00

Women can do whatever they like with their lives. That's what freewill and agency are about.

However, I'd be very disappointed in any of my daughters failed to obtain a graduate degree.

puddingbike · 2023-04-11T15:50:59+00:00

I never considered Rollo Tomassi someone to be taken seriously. When I've seen him interviewed, I found myself thinking, "THIS is the guy who's giving men advice about women? Really!"

I'm not out to blast him with this comment, but if you put yourself out there in the public in this manner, you are open to some critique.

HighestTierMaslow · 2023-04-11T15:54:02+00:00

Why are we surprised Redpillers are hypocritical? The whole ideology is centered on just being selfish and fearful.

SillyMushroomTip · 2023-04-11T16:17:49+00:00

Rollo is ancient and all these nuwave "red pill woke tradcon/pua grifters" are still perpetuating the idea that "Men need to get bank and Women need to be beautiful/young to marry young" and be stay at home wives. This is outdated to todays current way of life. It takes two incomes now to survive within in somewhat safe economic level.

We are living in a society that requires Men & Women to slave their lifes away for the sake of the government machine. Women take the most antidepressants and Men kill themselves the most.

lulll · 2023-04-11T19:38:25+00:00

i really wonder just how much rollos daughter hates him

shmupsy · 2023-04-11T13:10:18+00:00

Manosphere Red Pillers are often not philosophically robust.

People should not follow them. They are way too 'of this world.'

They don't want to change things for the better. They want to squeeze the most personal pleasure out of what they see as a dying society. They are hedonistic nihilists.

LadyofTheGreyPath · 2023-04-11T19:33:45+00:00

"Rules for thee but not for me!" strikes again.

oneblackcoffeeplease · 2023-04-11T10:45:35+00:00

its even more hypocritical when you remind urself of the tons of guys here complaining that their moms never learnd them to be chad and a bad boy. They blame(d) their poor moms for trying to teach them how to be a decent man and claim their moms turned them into betas while they themselves make boss babes out of their daughters.

UneastAji · 2023-04-11T11:08:54+00:00

I'm not sure about the details of this post.

However wanting the best for yourself is not incompatible with wanting the best for your kids.... You might want a submissive feminine wife because it's the best for you, and want your daughter to be an educated girlboss because it's the best for her. Now it depends of what girlboss is in this context. But if you believe in teaching your son TRP game, you should also believe in teaching girl game to your daughter, the hypocrisy would be to teach your daughter to let men plate her.

Everybody said TRP was for your own personal gain and not for other's gain.

-Shes-A-Carnival · 2023-04-11T12:56:53+00:00

TRP is not about telling women how to live it is about teaching men how to get laid and maximize the upper hand in their romantic lives.

WowYouMustBeJoking · 2023-04-11T12:28:56+00:00

They never said women should be 100% dependent on men. You can be able to earn money as long as you're single without chasing career if you're not. Education is a tool, there's nothing wrong with having it. It's about how you use it.

Nellylocheadbean · 2023-04-11T18:09:28+00:00

The context of this is important. What red pill basically says about women with degrees is that it doesn’t increase their value to men for a relationship. Since women in general tend to want men that make more money than them and have equivalent or higher status than them, then their degree is irrelevant to those men that are in the top bracket. In general women tend to lead with their accomplishments as to why they should be more attractive to men but that’s not what men in general want or prioritize. Now if a woman wants to settle down with an average man, then yes the degree will probably make you look better to him because the average man in the USA doesn’t make enough to sustain a family. But most women now don’t want the average man. Rollo’s daughter going to college doesn’t negate the message because the message is not about going to college, it’s about the egos women in general develop that they display on the dating market once they have a degree and think that the men that they want should care about that degree.

analt223 · 2023-04-11T20:58:33+00:00

Rollo is a grift. He's saying whatever his audience wants to hear for money

FlyV89 · 2023-04-11T22:22:35+00:00

I don't have a daughter, and even when I don't want kids, if down the road I got a woman pregnant, I would wish it was a boy and not a girl.

BUT, in the case I had a daughter, yes, I would raise her to be as self suficient and self reliant as possible, to have a career, to be hard working, I would protect her as much as I can, and I would also teach her to vet men super hard and be a good, kind, loving woman to her partner.

But first of all, she needs to be independent.

And this is not because "marriage can go wrong".

It's because marriage doesn't exist anymore. Marriage, as an institution, is on it's way out. It's going extinct.

Hell, society as a whole is going to the toilet right now, despite our quality of life going up. Look at all those femicides and rape statistics, they are peaking despite we live in the feminist era.

And we still have an stable economy, thanks God, but that's going away in the next decade too.

Men are becoming shittier and shittier day by day, that's not a secret. Despite what Mass Media claim, they are more unsympathetic than ever about women's issues, and this gender war IS going to push the masses of men further from women as days go by.

I do believe that women becoming more selfish and self centered will make society become more problematic, not less, but on an individual level I get it, absolutely.

I was talking to my cousin the other day, she's a 24 years old gal, stunningly beautiful and with an awesome personality, she was complaining that there are no men like me, my brothers and my other cousins to date anymore,.and that girls like her who are family oriented and traditionals feel like dating suck.

And she asked me what could she do to improve her chances of finding a good man... And I just told her "IDK... Honestly, I don't think you can revert this really".

Men don't want to be traditional anymore, because women don't appreciate it, and then the women who are traditional don't have too many men to go around neither.

Entropy is pulling society down. Really down.

The women to come need to be independent and strong, because if not they are going to suffer a lot. Even if they are independent and strong, they are going to suffer, but at least they are going to have a chance.

2023-04-12T15:26:30+00:00

I will educate my daughter no matter what. It is not not wise to be uneducated illiterate bum.

cl1p5 · 2023-04-12T20:03:40+00:00

Feminism selling girls on college is the biggest lie. Nothing will make you a slave to a job like student loans. I don’t even recommend college to boys.

Cactus2711 · 2023-04-13T03:49:33+00:00

Once again another person who doesn’t understand the core philosophy of the Red Pill. It’s not saying ‘women should all be uneducated housewives’. It’s about men being fully aware of female hypergamy and acting accordingly. Red Pill coaches sending their daughters to college has absolutely nothing to do with educating men on the fact that women will walk all over you if you let them. These coaches don’t deny that their wives and daughters are hypergamous.

nicethingyoucanthave · 2023-04-11T12:20:59+00:00

Do you understand the difference between:

(1) here's my advice - here's what I think is best for .... anyone, doesn't have to be women.

...and...

(2) you are my son/daughter; if you want to go to college I'll support you.

An example of part (1): I have a master's degree in software engineering, but if you were 18 and you asked me for career advice, I would say don't go into this field. But (2) if you're my son/daughter and you really want to study SE and I have a college fund that I've been contributing to since before you were born ... welp, good luck! It's your life!

Do you, OP, do you understand the difference between those two things? Your view here is faulty because you didn't realize that difference. Rollo doesn't "own" is daughter, dude. He's not pretending he does. I'm sure he wants her to be happy. I'm sure he is willing to offer her advice.

But contrary to what a lot of you seem to think, the red pill isn't a cult. We don't stop people from leaving. We don't demand that people think like we do. If your daughter wants to go to feminist school and be indoctrinated, no red piller is going to chain her up in the basement. If that's what you thought, then you have never participated in this discussion in good faith.

purplepillowed · 2023-04-11T12:26:36+00:00

Red pill is mating strategy for men. Women shouldn’t listen to Rollo or any other red pill influencers. Red pill doesn’t have any prescriptions to fix society.

When RP influencers claim that they do, it’s to get more social media engagement. Enjoy the decline, not stop the decline.

Demasii · 2023-04-11T11:03:41+00:00

Parents have different preferences on how they want their children to turn out than the children's potential partners.

It's not hypocrisy. Parents role is to make sure children become adults who are able to take care of themselves. If the parents really believe that men should financially take care of their daughters than they will heavily be involved in arranged marriages.

MyLastBestChance · 2023-04-11T13:01:27+00:00

Of course it’s hypocritical but…these guys are advocating for what they think is going to get men the most advantageous outcome, they absolutely don’t care (or really even pretend to care) that those outcomes are not equally advantageous for the women that these men are targeting. RP isn’t looking for a “Win / Win”.

And yes, they may absolutely not want their own daughters to be subjected to that outcome because their daughters aren’t sexual targets for them and therefore retain some humanity in their eyes.

RP is inherently and completely selfish. There is zero consideration for anyone other than themselves. In trying to create such a one sided “deal” for themselves, they often sow the seeds of their own failure. Is that really a surprise?

kochIndustriesRussia · 2023-04-11T10:57:18+00:00

How does sending his daughter to college equate to wanting her to be a girlboss? In most of the world, college education is the minimum standard for employability. Sorting mail in the basement of a huge office tower or selling jewelry in the mall is not exactly "girlbossing" (but both are jobs that would list college education as asset selection criteria).

DisasterPeace7 · 2023-04-11T14:08:47+00:00

Sending your daughter to college and even her having a well-paying job or a career is different than having a feminist / "girl boss daughter", very poor argument

coolcpplearner · 2023-04-11T12:23:11+00:00

Your entire point is an argument from authority. Can you justify what makes this guys point Red Pill dogma? It's like arguing that that JS Mill's ideas must be considered liberal dogmas.

earbus · 2023-04-11T12:43:14+00:00

Being dependant on someone should be a choice, not a "rule".

And no, I don't think women should be stay-at-home wives. But, obviously, I don't want her cheating on me.

Blueexpression · 2023-04-11T14:58:14+00:00

Red pillers only say non stem degrees are useless. They can get a stem degree and find themselves an equal

adrenalinjunkie89 · 2023-04-11T16:01:00+00:00

I disagree. Being a Red piller doesn't mean believing women should be barefoot and pregnant. We're not looking to get rid of womens rights. We're simply standing up for the men's rights that are being stripped by the feminist extremists.

I want women to be able to study and get any job they want, but I also want women to recieve Fair and equal sentencing for identical crimes, and i want men to start receiving fair and equal treatment in family court.

I want women to have access to shelters and help when they're being abused, but i also want men to have that same access.

Edit: I get that there's a good percentage of red pillers that are just straight up misogynistic, and often they're the loudest of us, but the same is true of misandry within feminism. Feminism has just as many bad apples as the men's rights movement.

DarthMemus · 2023-04-11T13:34:18+00:00

well, I guess it's a good way to protect his daughter from most of his own fanbasebI guess. he wouldn't want guys who emulate andrew tate dating his daughter, so he's telling those guys that they shouldn't want women like his daughter. effective isn't it. kinda like eminem saying he was against his daughter dating eminem fans

Steakman1 · 2023-04-11T12:32:44+00:00

You could maybe argue that in the ideal scenario, that the trad setup is the best. But I do find it weird how TRP will say to women to not chase careers and find a man to take care of them. All while they themselves acknowledge most men aint shit. Seems like it’s a guide to be a single cat lady without the cat because they’re too poor to afford the cat.

farm_hand_7 · 2023-04-11T12:35:25+00:00

Where does it say that if you believe there is truth to ideas of trp that you have to keep women uneducated and subservient? Or that only men should have a career? I don't listen to rp Podcasters, so maybe they say this stuff, maybe they dont.

The core of trp says to be a man women want to be with, rather than a man that's convenient for her to be with. To me, that's the opposite of having women be dependant on you.

JollyRoger66689 · 2023-04-11T12:41:20+00:00

Glossing over the part where I'm sure it's hard for a lot of dads to imagine their daughter being with men in general (with jokes about wanting their daughter to become some abstinate nun not being uncommon), red pillers like Fresh and fit (since I haven't watched a lot of Rollo but he seems close with them). They generally say that it's good for a woman to make money and be educated but that it doesn't help in the dating scene and virtually worthless there, and will only admonish the parts where it would hurt potential relationships like putting work over family or the masculine qualities that may be gained, though the largest problem probably being that their standards get too high and the women believing their job or education entitles them to a "better" man.

Though red pillers often just overlook average men in the equation more than even the women do, dual income households are almost necessary these days.

With that in mind I see no reason why it would be hypocritical to send your daughter to college, you teach them right while growing up so they don't fall into the same downsides that other women fall into.

hodlbtcxrp · 2023-04-11T13:18:57+00:00

As bitcoiners always say, "Don't trust. Verify." Given that it's impossible to verify that anyone will be a good partner because lying is easy and anyone can change over time, then it is better to be single forever.

Mental_Iron319 · 2023-04-11T14:01:16+00:00

Rollo's daughter isn't a girlboss she's in her early 20s getting married.

_H_a_c_k_e_r_ · 2023-04-11T14:06:46+00:00

Sending to school is necessary for understanding the world knowledge. Its pathetic that we see sending kids to school as making them a good earner. The actual purpose was to get knowledge, sure they can use that knowledge to earn.

Coolio_Street_Racer · 2023-04-11T14:21:54+00:00

Yeah I agree with you and sometimes battle with it myself. Ultimately I decided if my daughter wants to pursue a career over family. My job as a father is to guide my children to life a fulfilled life based on my understanding of reality. I'd explain to her through my experiences why being prioritizing career over family isn't the optimal route to fulfillment and frankly isn't utilizing your innate advantages as a women.

Women face a similar conflict of interests. We all know mommas boys aint getting any pussy.

HinduProphet · 2023-04-11T15:33:57+00:00

It is a son or an abortion.

BirdMedication · 2023-04-11T18:55:51+00:00

True but this isn't as meaningful as you might think it is, nor is it unique to Red Pillers. Most parents are "hypocrites" when it comes to seeing their spouse in a sexual way and valuing them for attraction-based traits vs. seeing their child in a holistic and platonic way and valuing them for self-sufficiency traits. You'd hope so at least.

In fact it'd be kind of disturbing if there were no discrepancy at all between a parent role and a lover role. If there's any "gotcha" it's that parents have too much conflict of interest and bias to teach/police their kids about sensitive subjects.

HazyMemory7 · 2023-04-11T20:46:12+00:00

Practically everyone goes to college these days, and most importantly, college is a time to be around other like minded young people, and is one of the best opportunities to meet new people and find a partner. You completely ignored that part.

His daughter can go to college and still find a man who is the primary earner for their household.

Play_Muted · 2023-04-11T10:38:32+00:00

its not, most men arent shit. admitting that isnt hypocrisy.

wes_bestern · 2023-04-11T13:57:37+00:00

Women haven't been out in the "real world" (the working world/the world of men) as long as men have, so they aren't as socialized to it and are often naïve about it. Knowledge has not been passed down to them. This is why a lot of men wont listen to their wives, because they feel they know better when it comes to certain things. But that is changing. Future generations are more equal. It's not at all hypocritical.

To illustrate, women in my generation tend to dominate the role of raising children. They have been groomed for that role from childhood, receiving knowledge passed down from their mothers and other female role models. But while they feel strongly (and perhaps rightly) that they know better than their husbands/baby daddy's when it comes to childcare, they're still letting their boys play with dolls and teaching them to be nurturers. This is not hypocritical.

People want the best for their children. But their peers, on the other hand, are already grown into the adults of their time and place. So "tradition for me, progress for thee" is what's behind this.

Edit: if you're gonna downvote, please respond with what is flawed in my argument.

Safinated · 2023-04-11T14:37:36+00:00

It’s not, because daughters are genetically related and sexually taboo, whiles wives are not

Kobe_curry24 · 2023-04-11T18:18:11+00:00

Is op confusing red pill theory with trad way of living ???

LowCreddit · 2023-04-11T18:43:26+00:00

Going to college doesn't mean you have to be a girlboss. You send your daughter to college in order to get her around educated men to find a partner. Additionally, you can't shelter girls forever. You have to raise them the best you can, but eventually you have to let her go so that she can live her own life. It's hard, but it's something you have to do as a parent.

kvakerok · 2023-04-11T19:15:01+00:00

🤦🏽‍♂️ why not just ask him why he sent his daughter to post secondary instead of making stupid shit up?

fupadestroyer45 · 2023-04-11T22:04:23+00:00

What a ridiculous strawman, still plenty of time to be a SAHM and receive a college education.

Moneydamjan · 2023-04-11T22:08:43+00:00

you can be educated but just don't become masculine in your behaviour

DzejSiDi · 2023-04-12T10:52:48+00:00

Red Pillers still want their daughters to be educated girlbosses

...what? You drew this conclusion out of a fact that Rollo supports his daughter in getting education? BTW AFAIK she's already engaged, so all according to plan so far.

This proves that deep down they know that being 100% dependent on a man is a real risk for women.

In western countries laws cover this to some degree, but yes, there is still a risk.

Rollo Tomassi has 5 hours shows where he says that women should trust men to bring home the dough instead of chasing careers..

I don't remember him saying those exact words, he was rather warning women to not "turn into a man she wants to marry" and to not be afraid of relying on husband, even if mainstream tells you so.

Woman can get some education/skills, marry young (young == younger than average right before 30). Then she can transition into being a housewife if that's the will of the couple, what's the problem? Oh, right, as far as I've heard buying a property and sustaining family on only one income in current USA economy is more like a fairy tail than "marrying a virgin" is, that's the problem.

BeepBeepYeah7789 · 2023-04-11T14:17:32+00:00

As a purple-piller, I see RP as having your eyes opened to the truth of female nature in general. It doesn't necessarily have to be limited to dating/romantic relationships. RP can be tailored to whatever type of relationship you may have with a woman, whether she's your date, girlfriend, fiance, wife, mother, sister, daughter, aunt, grandmother, niece, cousin, etc.

In other words, you wouldn't apply RP knowledge to your sister in the same way and to the same degree as you would to your SO, for example.

qunamax · 2023-04-11T18:17:45+00:00

Being educated and working isn't the same thing.

Subject-Ad-9613 · 2023-04-11T13:33:45+00:00

it's because hes to weak in his masculinity. the reason he send his daughter to university is because hes unfit to lead his daughter towards finding and vetting a good husband to submit to. sending her to college is just a way to escape that responsibility and pressure, because getting a career is on the daughter, not on the father, while commiting to a man would put a heavy burden of performance on HIM. if she gets a job, he can think of his responsibility as over and he doesnt have to care. if he chose the husband thought, he would be responsible aswell for failure.

it has nothing to do with hypocrisy. its just like single mothers complaining about weak soft simps but then they tell their sons to simp, bend over backwards, and shield them from consequences, because they lack the capability to raise them properly

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bigdaveyl · 2023-04-11T14:01:05+00:00

Having women attend college and preferring people to have more traditional relationships/roles is not mutually exclusive.

SwaySh0t · 2023-04-11T15:04:00+00:00

Bad argument, rollo’s daughter is already engaged/married apparently to some pro hockey player in her early 20’s. She secured the ring and commitment first and her graduate education 2nd.

abaxeron · 2023-04-11T15:57:07+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz-C7-EMiY4&t=799s

Why the Hell are you putting a timestamp into the link if it does not point towards the moment of interest.

Traditional-Bad-4055 · 2023-04-11T15:57:15+00:00

I think this is pretty well known. Fathers want much more independent daughters than wives. This is because they see their daughter as an extension of themselves while unfortunately many people today are only looking for a partner that will serve them. (Both men and women included in the second point)

https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2015/05/09/men-value-independence-in-their-daughters-more-than-their-wives/

Ok-Goose7939 · 2023-04-11T22:15:21+00:00

I have never been interested in Tomassi, but in general you should not trust public figures

jay10033 · 2023-04-11T23:40:34+00:00

Where do you think their daughters will find these men? College.

Uhdotheshlumptyhump · 2023-04-12T00:51:01+00:00

The ironic thing is that many white collar career paths are going to get pummeled by automation in the years to come. Whereas traditional housewives are probably always going to be in demand (at least until robots become humanlike).

OriginalRushdoggie · 2023-04-12T03:07:05+00:00

..and they know they can make money on content appealing to a certain demographic desperate for some version of an authority to tell them what they want to hear.

ArguesAgainstYou · 2023-04-12T06:05:02+00:00

Even my tradcon grandfather sent his daughter to university.

There's always the risk of a marriage failing, war eliminating most of the male population or the father falling ill and being unable to work.

If anything some Red Piller is going to think that being a woman is going to be much harder after she hits the wall so this is to prepare her for having to work with a few kids in case she gets stuck alone with them, which is much easier if your part-time job is able to pay the bills thanks to having a degree. Also desk work is much easier to do from home than cleaning toilets...

LouisdeRouvroy · 2023-04-12T06:05:03+00:00

This proves that deep down they know that being 100% dependent on a man is a real risk for women.

No it doesn't. It proves that being dependent on a HUSBAND is a risk. In the meantime, they're dependent on their father, ie a man, for getting an education.

In both cases, they're dependent on a man...

asdf333aza · 2023-04-12T10:01:50+00:00

Sending his daughter to college =/= becoming a modern day 304 who can't keep track of all the men in and out of Rotating door that she calls a vagina.

Perhaps he sent her to college hoping she finds a highly educated man for a future husband instead of gangbangs and accidental nude leaks on the local town msg board.

redback-spider · 2023-04-14T22:18:48+00:00

First what is this time code? I watched 25 minutes from that point and nowhere this came up, if you expect people to watch the whole video as source of your claim don't have a timecode.

Second Tomo Tomassi is not "all Redpillers" that's like cherry picking one stupid statement from 1 maybe to some people important feminists and claim therefor all feminists are stupid and wrong. They are but not because of 1 statement of 1 stupid feminist.

Third "sending their daughter" do you think he is their dictator that takes orders from him? The question would be if he said, "I want that they all finish college so they are save from man fail to provide for them", because your timecode were dogshit I am not willing to watch hours of material to look if he said that.

but even if he "send" them want them to finish college that don't automatically must be so they are financially save, it could be that some man might like educated women, that said it would conflict with the higher divorce statistics, but that is only statistics and the differences between college students and noncollege students is not that big, and it was just that more times the women leave not that college educated people divorce more in general.

Also it could be that he don't actually want them to finish, but you can meat good people there, with hopefully higher income.

But again even if you would be 100% correct about Tomassi which I don't like much what he says anyway, it doesn't say a lot about the whole space.

I mean I am a Destiny hater and I think the reasons he had for this statement were weak, but even he said after meating Myron from f&f, he thought this guy is such a dumb person. I don't fully agree, but yes even a radical leftwing SJW with blue hair can differenciate between different people in that space.

ilovegaryb99givmore · 2023-04-18T05:16:33+00:00

Yup. As someone who was raised by a dad who got on the ‘traditional masculine redpill’ bandwagon early, they make very hypocritical and verbally abusive fathers. It’s not a lifestyle to follow if you want any semblance of a good relationship with your kids, especially your daughters.

HinduProphet · 2023-04-18T14:21:19+00:00

It is going to be a son or an abortion.

Title	CMV: The fact that Red Pillers still want their daughters to be educated girlbosses is hypocritical
Author	Novel-Tip-7570
Upvotes	194
Comments	474
Date	April 11, 2023 10:31 AM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/12ifk0l/cmv_the_fact_that_red_pillers_still_want_their/
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