The 4B movement won't work because most of us already don't get laid

ComfortableJeans · 2024-11-12T15:30:30+00:00

It won't succeed or fail, because it's an extremely niche internet fad that the vast majority of the population doesn't even know about, let alone have any desire in practicing.

Women will continue to date, marry, hook-up and so on. A very, very small sample of people who spend too much time online will get their brains poisoned and cut themselves off from romance.

Remember when MGTOW swore the west was going to fall apart because men would dropping out of love and relationships in droves? It's the same thing here. The vast majority of men and women want to fall in love and be with one another.

It'll be a small amount of embittered people repeatedly rattling the handle of a door, loudly declaring that they're leaving, in the hopes that someone will care to stop them.

The most impact this will have on the lives of the largest portion of people, the normies, will be the exact same as impact as MGTOW had.

Essentially nothing beyond Cringe Compilations and forgettable clickbait headlines.

My advice is the same as I'd give to MGTOW people. If you want to leave, then leave. But do it because you want to, not because you want someone to care, because they won't. They won't even notice you've gone.

Just go and do your own thing. Don't endlessly stand there, desperately rattling the door handle, shrieking "I'm really going to leave this time! Guys, I'm leaving! I swear! I'm gonna do it! I'm going!" and just go.

The constant going on and on about it doesn't make me think it's what you want to do. It makes me think you want someone to care that you might.

Edit: Spelling mistake, thank you.

Substantial_Video560 · 2024-11-12T15:42:28+00:00

As an asexual male can't say I give such movements much thought! 😅

Icy_Version_8693 · 2024-11-12T19:44:01+00:00

Disclaimer: As a socialist of obviously support the feminist values behind the movement but I have my doubts whether it will succeed.

You already said you're not getting laid.

Nellylocheadbean · 2024-11-12T15:39:50+00:00

The 4B movement won’t work because women enjoy having sex and relationships with men.

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TinyBlonde15 · 2024-11-12T16:03:10+00:00

It's not for combating misogyny tho. It's about avoiding men sexually for safety. There's no "change men" plan. It's just "i don't feel safe having sex with men bc i could get pregnant and not get healthcare if it's needed" that's the entire thing. Risk avoidance.

IronDBZ · 2024-11-12T15:33:13+00:00

I think the discourse over 4B will be a more potent social force than people actually doing it.

More people are willing to talk and stress over the idea than are actually willing to put it into practice.

But yes, hypothetically speaking, should a 4B movement get off the ground it would have a negligible effect on men.

I think there are good reasons for women to practice 4B: organization (obviously class and economics doesn't move Americans on an effective level, not in our present politics, so if it has to be gender shit that gets people moving then so be it), self-discipline (people are too hedonistic no matter how you slice it, so maybe it'll help some people break some bad habits or be more reflective on the kind of partners they've tolerated*), and political awareness.

But none of those are the kind of revenge fantasy that a lot of the more bitter women seem to think it is. And before anyone says it's not about revenge, it's literally been circulating because of women being mad at men for voting for Republicans. There's definitely more to it than that, but it's anger fueling the discussion.

And I agree with OP's title, you can't do an effective sex strike on people that you're not having sex with. Whether it's a lifelong lifestyle or a temporary movement, it will affect the women more than it will men.

Personally, I'd like to see it get off the ground. If women are going to be mad, I'd like them to do something constructive with it.

*The kinds of women who have been surprised at how their partners have voted or knew beforehand but thought that they'd make an exception for Trump come to mind on this one. There's a lot of people who are for whatever reason, extremely hesitant to talk about politics openly and directly and it bites them in the ass. So I hope those women can at least learn something from all this mess.

zyzyverssaint · 2024-11-12T16:01:55+00:00

I agree that those attempting to create social/political change by participating in 4B are overly optimistic of the impact it will have.

That said, I think on an individual level, for a lot of women, participating in/living by 4B principles is a net positive.

PracticalControl2179 · 2024-11-12T17:09:24+00:00

Men: constantly tell us that they don’t care about 4B

Also men: post daily about 4B

ThrowRALightSwitch · 2024-11-12T19:17:02+00:00

silly question: what does 4B stand for? I dont follow this stuff closely

Naebany · 2024-11-13T08:19:27+00:00

And they will still sleep with those they find attractive.

ZukeIRL · 2024-11-13T10:42:00+00:00

I just find it hilarious that to combat Conservatives, they’re returning to conservative values like not being a whore 💀

SayuriKitsune · 2024-11-13T12:34:31+00:00

because this isn't about you , or the ones in your situation, but about the ones that do. Another thing, a lot of women joining the movement, don't expect a change from men, this is not like : we are on strike until you are good to us. This is more like, we are done with men, leave us alone. I prefer the cats, the bear, whatever

DellOptiplex7080 · 2024-11-12T16:08:52+00:00

After 1 week we're back to men begging women to have sex with them

xxTheMagicBulleT · 2024-11-12T19:54:20+00:00

Most men are already in a relationship.

Don't get any action to begin with.

Or have enough options it does not matter to begin with.

And with most men already getting overlooked it's like going to Africa and saying to starving people I'm not feeding you anymore like you ever did it before.

So very moot point that will not have any effect on any of the men like you think it will.

But maybe it will feel like you're doing something that counts for something i guess.

If so carry on but don't expect most men or any men to really care.

Routine-Present-3676 · 2024-11-12T19:48:36+00:00

Was there a topic in there you wanted to debate or was this just a way for you to tell us you can't get any?

Sharp_Engineering379 · 2024-11-12T16:26:14+00:00

The only thing 4b is doing is whittling down the dating pool of men further and making it easier to reject a man who claims to be moderate.

anniedeexx · 2024-11-12T16:57:22+00:00

The women who are doing this aren't doing it as a punishment for men, they're doing it as an act of self preservation.

hydro908 · 2024-11-12T19:41:12+00:00

Guys will just pretend to be democrats to get laid

ConstantCode8637 · 2024-11-12T20:45:24+00:00

If you already weren't getting laid and many men weren't either this shows that women's empowerment, by chosing themselves over having sex, dating, marrying men AND reproducing with them has already been working.

RevolutionaryJob7908 · 2024-11-12T23:24:12+00:00

It wont affect me. It's equal to men complaining about online dating. There is nothing you can do if you never offered it in the first place.

whatshldmyusernameb · 2024-11-13T01:17:02+00:00

Why do online feminist/redpillers tend to think they’re speaking for their entire gender? I see these 4b feminist and men’s right red pillers saying that men/women are tired of the other and won’t put up with it anymore. It’s so weird to me lmao

AntiYT1619 · 2024-11-13T03:25:46+00:00

Half of young men are virgins anyways, the men most likely to support Trump would have never gotten laid anyways so why would they bother. It's like Lamborghini saying they won't sell cars to poor people if they raise their taxes

Also there is no reward for men changing their ways, Let's say every single man just supports full abortion no questions asked and signs it into law. What would that change ? would these 4B women just become tradwives for them ?

Also from what I hear the 4B movement isn't even a big deal in Korea and most of the women who support it are 30s or 40s aged women not young women

zinger_twister · 2024-11-13T07:57:07+00:00

I think a lot of the attention is just stemming from a revenge fantasy against male Republican voters in the wake of the American presidential election.

Give it a few weeks and most people will have moved on and will have forgotten about it.

Nihi1986 · 2024-11-13T11:37:03+00:00

It won't work...? It won't even happen. People will have sex with the same frequency.

RiseUpMerc · 2024-11-12T23:15:29+00:00

This has been my #1 comment on twitter in reply to either side discussing it. 4B doesnt affect a majority of men in America because a majority of men in America arent having sex to begin with.

At best, a handful of womens "6+6+6" guys that they all fight over/share might have slightly less sex but its online activism - most of it is posturing and the appearance of doing thing.

Theyre already getting all kinds of bad blood because the idea "Ill shave my head to make myself ugly so men wont find me appealing" is a full slap in the face to women with natural hairloss that they cannot help.

I dont have nearly enough popcorn for this.

Throwaway26702008 · 2024-11-12T16:09:46+00:00

I go outside and talk to women, still won’t get a relationship or laid tho. Can we stop talking about 4B? It’s exhausting and such a minority of women.

berichorbeburied · 2024-11-12T17:01:22+00:00

It can work

That’s my only disagreement

Regardless of what’s being said on both sides

Most men actually need sex. And the reason most men value women is either sexual or familial mostly.

And the drive to conquer or improve or live in abundance is mostly to impress or negotiate attraction with women

Of course not all

This obviously doesn’t include homosexuals or low sex drive men or men who choose to be celibate as an act of rebellion

At its core most men live off or are motivated by stimulation

Sex is hardwired stimulation with one of the highest releases of a “reward”

So it could work to bring about change

But in theory that cuts both ways

There are flaws and faults in this approach

And it’s more complicated because the variables involved depend on the environment and the type of man it’s being applied on

But in theory it could work

Downtown_Werewolf_44 · 2024-11-13T07:58:40+00:00

The 4B movement wont change a thing because:

-It's only an handfull of women

-They are allready not having sex with the men they want to punish, so it's an hollow threat.

-They'll still have sex/relationship with the guys they want, because, by definition, "He's not like the other one".

TermAggravating8043 · 2024-11-12T15:49:14+00:00

God you guys are really scared about this huh?

If you already don’t think it’s gonna happen, why do you keep bringing it up

TopShelfSnipes · 2024-11-12T15:27:53+00:00

The 4B movement won't work because very few women are actually going to take it seriously. It's a "Clickbait Curiosity" that's only getting traction because Chinese TikTok is pushing destructive narratives in its algorithms and predictably news media has picked up on it as a "clickbait curiosity" and is giving it airtime.

Putting your lives on hold over politics is idiotic. You might see women be more careful around sex if they live in states with abortion bans, but that's it. And yes, some ideologues might stop seeing men cuz politics, but that also might change the first time they meet someone who checks all their boxes.

As for you, why aren't you getting laid? I mean, the thing about fully half of incels is they seem to understand why they don't get laid. You tag yourself 'beta male' and say you don't go outside and even describe as a socialist which is going to limit your dating pool similarly to how saying you're a racist might. Why not work on yourself and try to get laid? Or is this all you ever want to be?

FateMeetsLuck · 2024-11-12T17:10:51+00:00

It will work as long as men who think their lack of sex is the center of the universe keep bringing it up on every post on the internet. It's called the Streisand effect. And I'm pretty sure the goal of their movement is to withhold sex from the "normal" men who do get laid until these men start holding rapists and misogynists accountable instead of electing them. The assertion that only a tiny percentage of men have access to women at all is spurious. In the past, similar movements led by women, such as prohibition, have had impacts on society and culture. I wish all marginalized people, even liberal white women, success in their attempts to liberate themselves from whiny narcissists and tyrants.

Fair-Bus-4017 · 2024-11-12T19:18:38+00:00

The 4B movement won't work because not enough women are gonna participate. Not because you think that most men don't get laid. Which is definitely not the case.

blonde___guardian · 2024-11-12T22:57:22+00:00

Look, I think the 4B movement is a social media trend and too niche to be impactful. But all the discourse on this sub frames it as punishing men, not protecting women. And I'd argue it's about the latter far more than the former.

If you're worried that you can't access an abortion, one rational response is to stop having sex with men. It doesn't actually matter whether the men in question even notice; the point is that you're significantly less likely to experience an unwanted pregnancy that way. Same deal if you're worried about the fate of no-fault divorce, funding for childcare in your state, etc. etc.

eli_ashe · 2024-11-13T01:53:20+00:00

i vaguely agree with OP, but i think your reasoning bout is a bit flawed. specifically, there have been decades longs 4b movements in the US, just hasnt been called that.

'dont have sex with men of thus and such a sort' has been going on for decades. think so called red flag groups, AWDTSG groups, broader posts and movements encouraging women in particular to leave 'problematic men', or all the various discourses that have gone on here and elsewhere regarding things like 'black pill' content, mate selection, and so on.

OP is correct, 4b is already a monumental failure, but only bc women have been doing that extremist behavior towards US men for decades now. that is why, after all, most men dont have sex at all.

personally i also disagree with OP in being in support of it.

its an inhumane cruel and pretty disgusting kind of movement. individual people making choices bout who to date, sleep with, etc... is one thing. organizing mass movements against men you dislike is hate. nothing more or less. just misandristic hate.

and no, i have a wonderful sex life, likely the envy of most people. such isnt an incel take either, such is noting the blunt reality that organizing people towards the ends and aims of harming men you dont like is hateful and misandristic.

NoDanaOnlyZuuI · 2024-11-12T15:35:24+00:00

4B is for the women who participate in it. Not as a punishment for men. Get over yourselves.

Downtown_Cat_1745 · 2024-11-12T17:05:14+00:00

Most men do. More than 60% of men become fathers.

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James_M_Croft · 2024-11-12T16:10:47+00:00

It wont work because men only know about causes because some hot chick is into them and he thinks he has a chance to get sex for them if they associate with their political activism/party.

Affectionate-Still15 · 2024-11-12T18:09:24+00:00

The 4B movement thing would impact mostly married people. It wouldn't impact chads

ComprehensiveHat8073 · 2024-11-12T22:09:39+00:00

Is anyone here a member of the r/4bmovement subreddit? I got banned from posting comments there (I think somone misunderstood a point I was making) and would like to get back in. I suppose I have to write to a moderator but there's no option for that. Can anyone help me? I'm a supporter of the movement.

OddWish4 · 2024-11-12T23:52:46+00:00

Am I living under a rock? What’s the 4B movement?

RunAgreeable7905 · 2024-11-13T04:31:26+00:00

It's not primarily about fighting men or getting men to notice that men are crap for women. There's a small number of women saying it can be used that way, to get you riled up.

It is about non-engagement with men so you live a life in which men have been de-centred and you over time build a life in which you meet only your own needs and none of your resources of time, money and emotions get diverted to men.

I completely agree that going full 4B isn't for everyone. But for a woman who can support herself materially and emotionally and isn't welded to the idea of having kids, 4B makes a whole lot of sense. She's likely to end up with a man who uses more of her resources than he returns to her. A financial and emotional drain. She's going to do better without him.

Ok_Kitchen1095 · 2024-11-13T04:47:19+00:00

People want connection. More than anything a lot of the rage that people feel is because they are oppressed by the patriarchy (yes men included) as it harms us all. People are just striving for control in what they feel like is a hopeless and uncontrollable world. Men wouldn’t vote for trump if they felt true love, connection and nurturing. If they LET themselves feel that instead of stamping it out with toxic masculinity. The other thing is that they can feel that with each other, women don’t always have to provide that comfort and love for them. Vulnerability is not a weakness. Trump is fascist, sexist, bigot and more importantly an uninformed piece of boomer trash that needs to die. He partakes in sensationalism and rage bait to create devoted masses and honestly this is just a game to him. The issues that affect everyday people do not apply to people like him. He is just fucking around with power for fun. He does not care about people.

No_Category6453 · 2024-11-13T06:32:09+00:00

It will be interesting to compare the success rates of 4B v/s MGTOW.

Background_Lock8392 · 2024-11-13T08:03:32+00:00

I am sorry I literally started laughing when I read the title

OwnedIGN · 2024-11-13T09:20:40+00:00

Nobody knows what 4B is.

ladyindev · 2024-11-13T13:51:14+00:00

All these bitter posts about what a group of women are choosing to do with their own bodies. My understanding is that 4B (which began in South Korea, I believe) is about protecting themselves as women and making a statement. While the hope might be some influence on society, it seems like a modern separatist movement about self-preservation.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-11-12T15:23:58+00:00

If it’s already boycotting the dudes then isn’t it already working? Now instead of at an individual level it’s at a macro cultural trend.

It’s like the “we need to subject women because then they’ll lower our standards” didn’t really think of all out.

Kind of a r/leopardsatemyface moment I guess

ratsareniceanimals · 2024-11-12T17:03:50+00:00

The 4B movement doesn't even have goals. It can't fail because it's not trying to accomplish anything. It's a reactive mechanism designed to reduce a very specific risk.

Financial_Camp2183 · 2024-11-12T23:22:59+00:00

If women could close their legs they would've after they said they would when Roe v Wade went down.

It's just crying for attention, like when a toddler protests that they'll starve themselves if they have to go to bed tonight.

You let them kick and cry it out and eventually they're too tired to be upset.

Just assume most women have the emotional control of a toddler and things make sense

ARatOnPC · 2024-11-12T15:54:45+00:00

The 4b movement doesn’t exist IRL.

cunnyvore · 2024-11-12T16:16:13+00:00

4B isn’t a sex strike, it’s not about proving a point to men.

Makuta_Servaela · 2024-11-12T18:25:48+00:00

Then the 4b movement will succeed because women won't get stuck in marriages or pregnancies.

It's bizarre how much men think the 4B movement is about sticking it to them. People committing self-preservation behaviour isn't a slight against the potential threat.

These women aren't expecting men to unlearn their misogyny. They're just saying, "Fine, if you won't play nice, I'll just go play something else."

Vlad_The_Great_2 · 2024-11-12T18:57:34+00:00

4B is a niche internet trend even in Korea where it originated. Absolutely nothing will come of this in America, which has a radically different culture and reason to even start the trend. The guys that can’t get a date or casual sex will continue not getting anything. Desirable men will be not be affected because they are desirable.

Artistic_Bumblebee17 · 2024-11-12T16:21:41+00:00

No they were still fucking bottom tier men. I see my friends Bfs and what they look like/are like. But I think this will affect more attractive men that did get women.

NotMattDamien · 2024-11-12T16:52:10+00:00

4b movement also won’t work because young men with means and courage can get a passport.

harmonica2 · 2024-11-12T18:00:44+00:00

The only way the 4B movie can be effective I think is if women decide to give a lot of sex to the Harris voters, that way the other voters might feel like they were truly missing out?

firetrap2 · 2024-11-12T19:14:59+00:00

If socialism is about over throwing the bourgeois and putting the working classes in power and feminism is about over throwing men and putting women in charge, pay tell what the tankies think should happen to the bourgeois then think about what you're supporting in feminism.

ConstantCode8637 · 2024-11-12T20:55:58+00:00

Ok! How many times are yall gonna keep posting about 4B "not working"?

If many of you truly had faith this is a meaningless movement that won't hold up, you'd shrug your shoulders and treat it like anything else you don't care about.

Why go out of your way to advertise and have discussions with people about something you don't care about?

LEDDITmodsARElosers · 2024-11-12T22:23:45+00:00

Mentally stable women are still available. I have literally never encountered this in real life and I travel all the time around the USA.

statsfodder · 2024-11-13T05:36:21+00:00

Look who posts this stuff, women that men don't want any way or attention seeking whores who have 4B in one post and "link in bio" in the next.

Seriously, you don't want to risk needing an abortion, tell him "if it's not on, it's not on" ... bring back common sense please.

KittyCatKnight · 2024-11-13T07:38:56+00:00

It won't work.

Over half of women in the communities women doing this in voted with men.
Conservatives never wanted "Liberal" women that go as far as the women in the 4B movement are. This is the fetish of Leftist women, the fetish that Conservatives want to fuck and wife them. We don't, we want Conservative women, this fetish is not mutual.
These chicks have severe insecurities. The same reason they immediately went to "I'll withhold sex!" is because they value themselves based on sex. As soon as they realize the validation they want is not being met, they will flip right back.

This is just fetish fan-fiction Leftist women write about Right Wingers. It's cringe.

MasterAd6260 · 2024-11-12T15:20:16+00:00

The 4B movement won’t work because women are already requiring little to nothing to hook up. All a man has to do is virtue signal about how he voted and etc.

No finances, no commitment, no effort, etc she needs to prove the doesn’t need anything from you and that she’s an independent boss babe.

ta06012022 · 2024-11-12T15:46:17+00:00

Most men are having sex. But yeah something like this won’t “work” because it’s an extremely niche thing like MGTOW. Not something to be concerned about.

mashedturnip · 2024-11-12T16:22:04+00:00

The 4B movement won’t work because love and babies are the most important thing in the world to the vast majority of women. And you need men to get them

TSquaredRecovers · 2024-11-12T18:53:04+00:00

Your main premise is false.

Most young men are having sex. In the last year for which we have data, only 11% of young men ages 18-29 didn’t have sex.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/is-the-sex-recession-over

kvakerok_v2 · 2024-11-12T15:25:52+00:00

I'm just like "you guys get laid?".

Disclaimer: As a socialist

Mate, being a socialist highly correlates with permanently dry dick.

fucknibbers14899 · 2024-11-12T16:40:12+00:00

Once women start caring about misandry I might start caring about misogyny.

So far, all women care about is furthering their privileges with no concern over men whatsoever. Most modern women are all narcissistic demons.

Fun_Breakfast697 · 2024-11-12T21:06:42+00:00

Most men are not sexless and most women have no interest in 4B, even the ones who are aware of it.

Not sleeping with or dating conservative/sexist men has been very common for liberal women for a long time. It was never about fomenting social change, though, and I don't think it's very effective for that purpose. Not dating people with repulsive opinions is its own reward.

adiggittydogg · 2024-11-12T16:13:47+00:00

I agree with you, 4B will change absolutely nothing for most men.

As a socialist of obviously support the feminist values behind the movement

May I ask how old you are? You seem pretty intelligent and I hope you will soon grow out of this particular perspective.

Proper_Frosting_6693 · 2024-11-12T20:37:23+00:00

The Hoes (most modern women) are so mesmerised by the Chads way out of their league, they won’t be able to last a day without getting pumped and dumped.

No way this lasts! It literally changes nothing.

Sharp_Perception9137 · 2024-11-12T17:04:17+00:00

It wont work because the average person is not an extremist- either misogynist or feminist.

Humans are wired to seek companionship and sex.

A few people will force themselves to go 4B. Many more will simply say "eh, whatever" and find a partner.

I do think its good to be aware of shitty men and filter them out though. Theres alot of shitty dudes with no self awareness out there.

John_Oakman · 2024-11-12T17:13:00+00:00

Counterpoint: anti homeless architecture doesn't reduce the number of homelessness, but it reduce sightings of the homelessness, which is good enough.

Practically the 4B movement will also leverage women's social legitimacy value on the macro scale and in a more proactive fashion, which will influence (shame and guilt trip) the law & social abiding males into doing better, and that's good enough.

Ok-Peace-6951 · 2024-11-12T17:24:45+00:00

Men rage at women for threatening to not sleep with them anymore meanwhile I'm just like

"Why are you guys complaining? You clearly don't have any actual experience with women to begin with. Otherwise, you'd know that they are just yapping. Its not like they can typically go a long time without sex."

Tokimonatakanimekat · 2024-11-12T17:40:24+00:00

American "4B movement" won't work because they didn't even bother to artistically translate Korean terminology to USian one.

It's pretty obvious to me that these gals aren't willing to put in effort and it is all Twitter talk and zero walk.

What the hell 4B stands for in US?

Boyfriends, Babymaking, Bible, Baking?

Intelligent-Insight · 2024-11-12T20:02:47+00:00

It will have the opposite effect if anything. If even more men are unhappy with their life do you think they will vote women who don't pick them or for whatever candidate that will promise to create the environment where women are more likely to end up with them? This movement will create demand for that type of candidate and some of that might manifest itself even on the left side if they want those votes..

LoudPiece6914 · 2024-11-12T20:24:44+00:00

The way forward is to focus on a universal agenda that uplifts the working class this is both unifying and beneficial to young people’s future. Not only is 4B miss guided because it punishes and pushes away your allies, while doing nothing to conservative men who would likely be with conservative women. It gives red meat to men who are not getting laid because they can point to women conspiring against them and not do self reflection. And it complains about women being sexualized while in practice operating under the assumption that the only power women have that is not gifted to them by men is sexual.

If you are angry and want to do 4B do you but don’t pretend like it is a strategic choice that will change male behavior in support of women. It will do the opposite. Focusing on uplifting the working class to make men feel like they have a future is the way to go.

katecard · 2024-11-13T03:42:35+00:00

The 4B movement isn't about men getting laid or not. It's about women living their lives free from men. The only way the movement could fail is if women don't commit to it and start dating men.

runningvicuna · 2024-11-13T06:50:56+00:00

Chad still get his

bzl33 · 2024-11-12T17:03:19+00:00

Women still have social pressure to get married, while men's social pressure is waning. That's why the 4B movement will fail in the West.

HighValueWomanBook · 2024-11-12T18:59:40+00:00

Honestly, I don't know the name of the person who started the movement; I don't know what principles the 4b movement has; are these principles new to women? Have women just ignored the principles and are now simply going to fall in line? I have no idea about the movement; does it treat men and women equally or is it another example of inequality?

Does it have a website?

Lidiou · 2024-11-12T21:01:56+00:00

Honestly i still think relationships with men should be avoided. Just safer as the misogyny can be dangerous.

Title	The 4B movement won't work because most of us already don't get laid
Author	AresThePacifist_
Upvotes	502
Comments	495
Date	November 12, 2024 3:17 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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